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baby9
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Have you ever actually done anything political?
#14574815 - 06/07/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Two questions for all you who dwell in the "political discussion" forum.
1. Do you vote?
2. Are you engaged in any kind of political activity other than voting? (And If so, what?)
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: baby9]
#14574887 - 06/07/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Did you answer your own poll?
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14575014 - 06/07/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not yet should I?
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: baby9] 2
#14575026 - 06/07/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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No , you should explode.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: Icelander]
#14575090 - 06/07/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, and yes.
I am part of a grassroots lobbying campaign to help eliminate the death tax.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: baby9]
#14575952 - 06/07/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I let everyone I work with (its a big corporation) how dicked up both parties are....I do so in an effective yet subtle way....
I also give time and funds to a non profit (501c) helping disabled vets get their disabilities covered by the VA
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: memes]
#14576979 - 06/07/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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meams said: Yes, and yes.
I am part of a grassroots lobbying campaign to help eliminate the death tax.
There is no "death tax". Dying doesn't cost you a cent in taxes. You can will everything to charity tax free. I assume you are referring to the inheritance tax?
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#14576991 - 06/07/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i was politically active in parts of africa for a few years...
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#14577313 - 06/07/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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meams said: Yes, and yes.
I am part of a grassroots lobbying campaign to help eliminate the death tax.
There is no "death tax". Dying doesn't cost you a cent in taxes. You can will everything to charity tax free. I assume you are referring to the inheritance tax?
Don't argue for the sake of argument. It costs me money to give my children my assets, and thats fucked. I already paid taxes on those assets, damnit.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: memes]
#14583355 - 06/09/11 03:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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meams said: Yes, and yes.
I am part of a grassroots lobbying campaign to help eliminate the death tax.
There is no "death tax". Dying doesn't cost you a cent in taxes. You can will everything to charity tax free. I assume you are referring to the inheritance tax?
How does your premise support your conclusion?
The same thing is true of wages, salary, bonuses, and payments for sold goods. Do you likewise claim their is not income nor sales tax as well on the same grounds? If not, how do you justify the dispartate conclusions given that the same argument applies. If so, isn't this just a semantic game you've played, with no real meaning?
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meams said: Yes, and yes.
I am part of a grassroots lobbying campaign to help eliminate the death tax.
There is no "death tax". Dying doesn't cost you a cent in taxes. You can will everything to charity tax free. I assume you are referring to the inheritance tax?
Don't argue for the sake of argument. It costs me money to give my children my assets, and thats fucked. I already paid taxes on those assets, damnit.
Yeah, while the inheritance and gift taxes are one of the taxes that make more sense from a social engineering point of view and also as a means to even the playing field, the philosophical and policy justifications are pretty poor in my opinion. If you rely upon the state for any voluntary services upon your death than such a fee may rightfully levied against the estate, but I see no grounds for the seizure of property mearly because the legal owner died. At least economic activity like the sale of goods and income tax is a positive act, but dieing is not an economic venture, nor a voluntary one, and the money thus far accumulated is allready after-tax. To tax it again simply because the owner transfers the property without engaging in the creation of wealth or any other economic activity is a bit suspect.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: baby9]
#14583359 - 06/09/11 03:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im not surprised at these results.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: baby9]
#14583420 - 06/09/11 04:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes i voted, and not "strategically"
The second question is kind of redundant since if you are participate in this forum you are engaging in political activity.
It's hard for me to imagine how one could not participate politically (consciously or unconsciously) unless they are a hermit or something.
More to the intent of you question; I spend my money in political ways, attend rallies and protests, write political lyrics for my music, actively engage in political discussion with others, and read a lot of political stuff, etc.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: Shins]
#14583451 - 06/09/11 05:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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When I think of political activity I think of rallying, running for office, campaigning, canvassing, lobbying, protesting, marching...stuff like that.
Though it could be considered "political activity" I dont think reading the economist, posting in a political forum or voting quite cuts it in my book.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#14583673 - 06/09/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Politics" literally means something like "pertaining to, or having to do with many"
Poly - many tics - pertaining to
I do a lot of things that have to do with many people, it's virtually impossible to avoid at all times in fact.
I'm arguing semantics though, i do however understand your intent.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: Shins]
#14583680 - 06/09/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I guess i'm kind of trying to hint that even though people don't protest and lobby etc. or have any interest at all in politics, that they still contribute to the political system, but in an arguably irresponsible and damaging way.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: johnm214]
#14584482 - 06/09/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: How does your premise support your conclusion?
The same thing is true of wages, salary, bonuses, and payments for sold goods. Do you likewise claim their is not income nor sales tax as well on the same grounds? If not, how do you justify the dispartate conclusions given that the same argument applies. If so, isn't this just a semantic game you've played, with no real meaning?
I don't follow what you're trying to say. I don't see a semantics game. If you die, you pay no taxes, nor should you. If money is inherited, on the other hand, taxes are due.
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johnm214 said: I see no grounds for the seizure of property mearly because the legal owner died.
Nor do I. We agree.
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johnm214 said: At least economic activity like the sale of goods and income tax is a positive act, but dieing is not an economic venture, nor a voluntary one, and the money thus far accumulated is allready after-tax.
We agree (with the exception of deferred tax accounts like regular IRAs or 401ks).
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#14584644 - 06/09/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: How does your premise support your conclusion?
The same thing is true of wages, salary, bonuses, and payments for sold goods. Do you likewise claim their is not income nor sales tax as well on the same grounds? If not, how do you justify the dispartate conclusions given that the same argument applies. If so, isn't this just a semantic game you've played, with no real meaning?
I don't follow what you're trying to say. I don't see a semantics game. If you die, you pay no taxes, nor should you. If money is inherited, on the other hand, taxes are due.
No, you are incorrect. Under the US tax code, the taxes are due by the deceased, the estate, not the person, if any, who receives a bequest. It is the same way in life, with the gift tax.
I didn't say it was a semantics game, I said there are two possible conclusions, and one of those is that your making a semantics argument of no relevance. It now appears your simply wrong in your premise, presuming the person who inherits assets is taxed rather than the deceased, and so your argument is obviously irrelevant.
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johnm214 said: I see no grounds for the seizure of property mearly because the legal owner died.
Nor do I. We agree.
Then this view is in opposition to the estate tax. I take it you now are against such, right?
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johnm214 said: At least economic activity like the sale of goods and income tax is a positive act, but dieing is not an economic venture, nor a voluntary one, and the money thus far accumulated is allready after-tax.
We agree (with the exception of deferred tax accounts like regular IRAs or 401ks). 
How is that an exception? It doesn't change what is taxable, it changes when the taxes are assessed.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: johnm214]
#14587873 - 06/09/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: I see no grounds for the seizure of property mearly because the legal owner died.
Nor do I. We agree.
Then this view is in opposition to the estate tax. I take it you now are against such, right?
Fair enough. People should be taxed for receiving money, not giving it.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#14589521 - 06/10/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: People should be taxed for receiving money, not giving it. 
Really? I should be taxed for receiving money my family gives to me that they've already paid taxes on?
Seems rediculous to me.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: memes]
#14590013 - 06/10/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's beyond ridiculous. It's obscene.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14590295 - 06/10/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe when I get to a ripe old age Ill say I squandered all my money gambling but really itd be buried somewhere and my kids would get the gps coordinates upon my death.
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: MisterMuscaria] 1
#14590731 - 06/10/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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MisterMuscaria said: Maybe when I get to a ripe old age Ill say I squandered all my money gambling but really itd be buried somewhere and my kids would get the gps coordinates upon my death.
Don't worry, that's why they've got inflation: to take care of you guys who do that kinda thing. Better buy some bullion or something
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Re: Have you ever actually done anything political? [Re: memes]
#14593613 - 06/10/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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meams said: Really? I should be taxed for receiving money my family gives to me that they've already paid taxes on?
Seems rediculous to me.
To me, it seems a person that works for money shouldn't pay more in taxes than someone who doesn't.
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