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Nothing negates what you feel.
    #14574352 - 06/07/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A friend called me up today and got me thinking.  He invited me to come over and play some horse shoes and smoke some cigs. I told him I didn't know and either would show up or not. He said that was cool. Later, after I'd decided not, I felt like I should call him and tell him. I talked myself out of that because I was projecting how I would feel if he hadn't called me.

We talk and debate a lot and were talking about music the other day and I was trying to turn him on to some stuff and he cut me off and said he wasn't interested due to the fact that some of it lyrically was about being bummed out or what was wrong with the life and he said that he was over that phase and was looking for some new music.  Later I was reflecting on that. I felt but wouldn't directly acknowledge to myself that I felt that he was putting me down.  Due to the fact that I still really love some of that music but we've both agreed that looking at life as bad or wrong is subjective and often a total waste of energy.

Which brings me to the title of this thread.  I realized by facing my feelings on this that I do that all the time with all kinds of things people say or that I read or see. I think that it means something about how I'm feeling. But now, for myself I  thin I'm beginning to  realize that there is nothing wrong or can negate what I feel. Other people are feeling different due to the fact that they are not me and are in a different place in time and have a different way of perceiving and that has nothing to do with me and isn't my business. Plus the fact that I really don't know what they mean when they say things to me cause I don't know what is motivating them at that moment.
  I'm going to continue working on this subtle way I undermine  the way I feel.

I wonder if anyone else notices this?


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Icelander]
    #14574558 - 06/07/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:congrats:

I have huge problems feeling. I think to be honest its a mix of things, but mostly that if i allowed myself to feel i wouldnt be able to enjoy simple things in life like food/sex/entertainment.

Ultimatly I attribute this to the bullshit economic/geopolitical situation that continues to spiral out of control and eventually severly downgrade my standard of living and introduce all manner of violence and struggle into our daily living.

good luck with that, wish i could afford to let myself feel.

I know, i know, I am over-exaggerating, you still can't look at the world situation with balance, but search for the facts...

In short, our economy relies on a booming housing market to recover. Housing prices are down to lower than depression levels....with no end in sight.

Not only that, but an economy cannot stay in permanent recession; it either recovers or sprials into a depression.


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14574582 - 06/07/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It feels good to have such a high standard of living and to remain unnafected by the poor economy. All I'm somewhat worried about is the democrats fucking up our currency. If shit gets too bad I will just move to Switzerland or Poland.


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14574686 - 06/07/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
:congrats:

I have huge problems feeling. I think to be honest its a mix of things, but mostly that if i allowed myself to feel i wouldnt be able to enjoy simple things in life like food/sex/entertainment.

Ultimatly I attribute this to the bullshit economic/geopolitical situation that continues to spiral out of control and eventually severly downgrade my standard of living and introduce all manner of violence and struggle into our daily living.

good luck with that, wish i could afford to let myself feel.

I know, i know, I am over-exaggerating, you still can't look at the world situation with balance, but search for the facts...

In short, our economy relies on a booming housing market to recover. Housing prices are down to lower than depression levels....with no end in sight.

Not only that, but an economy cannot stay in permanent recession; it either recovers or sprials into a depression.





I've lived through several economic downturns and now, looking back, they had no real effect on my life or lifestyle in any major way and so I worried for nothing.

As for the rest of your post I'm not sure how it connects to what I was talking about.


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Icelander]
    #14574807 - 06/07/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm usually very straight forward with people about my opinions and expect them to be so with me. Sure doesn't mean I can't be one hell of paranoid mofo about almost anything. It's definetly good to acknowledge that sort of thing though. "Self-deceit is the hardest habit to break because it tells us we ain't self-deceived.".

One of my favourite spiritual teachers, David Scoma says that the best technique to break the spell of the ego is constant almost laser like examination of personal motive and behavioural activity. IMO If you examine your reasons behind performing any activity or behaviour then you can start to align with a more genuine mode of being. I notice I've done that a lot on the shroomery here. It helps to type things down because it's so much easier examine something once you've perma posted it to the public. I actually find posting on the shroomery often more threatening to my ego than any other social activity which might explain (partly) of lot of forum drama.
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But now, for myself I  thin I'm beginning to  realize that there is nothing wrong or can negate what I feel. Other people are feeling different due to the fact that they are not me and are in a different place in time and have a different way of perceiving and that has nothing to do with me and isn't my business. Plus the fact that I really don't know what they mean when they say things to me cause I don't know what is motivating them at that moment.




I too am actually horribly judgemental of myself and others when interacting. The more I notice it the better I can see, firstly that these judgments are way off base and created from fragments of information arising in the moment and secondly that the character (my ego) has no relation to anything in particular. It's meaningless and it does help in many ways to know that. The only reason to change it is to enhance the show. Then change starts to take place naturally because there's no more reason to fight it, you have nothing to lose by changing because the self importance isn't there any more.


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Icelander]
    #14574819 - 06/07/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

its really easy most believe we are unique and or special in one way or the other,this only fuels the ego and blocks any attempts of  understanding in ones life

all we are is a copy of a copy

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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Kinko]
    #14574838 - 06/07/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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its really easy most believe we are unique and or special in one way or the other,this only fuels the ego and blocks any attempts of  understanding in ones life

all we are is a copy of a copy




What am I a copy of?


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: 4896744]
    #14574860 - 06/07/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Culture way back through the ages.


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14575048 - 06/07/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps i am shaped by that, but how am i a copy? Which culture am i an exact replica of?


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: 4896744]
    #14575075 - 06/07/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

None, that doesn't mean you aren't just a copy of a mix of copies, which is likely IMO. Nature vs Nurture case studies seem to have shown there is very little that isn't just ingrained into us.


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Icelander]
    #14575283 - 06/07/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So you were afraid of getting pwned in horse shoes?


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Icelander]
    #14575478 - 06/07/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The other day I was sitting at my house thinking very deeply and almost becoming uncomfortable. I wanted to find some way to vent and clear myself of that frustration, but did not think it would be a good idea to do so around people. One of my friends showed up at my house unannounced, which is never a problem, but that day it kind of bummed me out. We talked about a lot of things because he was there and I had no better place to vent at the time but I still wanted to be alone. I didn't show it because I didn't want to make him uncomfortable or feel like he was unwanted or anything. I was still enjoying his company and he was being more helpful than he or I realized, but that feeling still lingered. Another friend called and asked if he could come over and I said yes even though I'd have rather been alone, then another friend asked to come over and I did the same thing. The whole night we were all together, I had a great time, we talked about things I think are very important and I was able to free myself from some of the frustrations I had been dealing with but I still couldn't stop thinking about how I had wanted to be alone and how I didn't feel like I could ask them to leave. I felt like since it just kind of happened with the first friend I didn't have the right (I know what I have the right to is up to me, but this is just how I felt) to tell any of them to leave and I didn't want to tell them before hand to not come over because the one friend was already there. So while we were hanging out things are good and I'm honestly having fun but I'm considering in my head different ways I could get them to leave quicker without being outwardly negative. I dealt with this as it happened which made me realize that I'm the only thing that can negate how I feel, but since I see myself in all things somebody else or some situation negating my feelings is really the same thing. I realized that I often create alternate situations in my mind to allow myself to still experience what I expected on some level while still accepting the moment, and I don't think I have the right to say which experience was more "realistic". It made me feel much better and that realization was what ended up getting me out of my seclusion funk.

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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14575501 - 06/07/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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None, that doesn't mean you aren't just a copy of a mix of copies, which is likely IMO. Nature vs Nurture case studies seem to have shown there is very little that isn't just ingrained into us.




I agree with that, i just didn't agree with the original wording of the person i disagreed with.


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Edited by iThink (06/07/11 06:46 PM)

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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: 4896744]
    #14575711 - 06/07/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It feels good to have such a high standard of living and to remain unnafected by the poor economy. All I'm somewhat worried about is the democrats fucking up our currency. If shit gets too bad I will just move to Switzerland or Poland.



:rofl2:

Please do elaborate on why Poland attracts you?

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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Beanhead]
    #14575806 - 06/07/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Polish girls are :whoah:


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Beanhead]
    #14575991 - 06/07/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Beanhead said:
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iThink said:
It feels good to have such a high standard of living and to remain unnafected by the poor economy. All I'm somewhat worried about is the democrats fucking up our currency. If shit gets too bad I will just move to Switzerland or Poland.



:rofl2:

Please do elaborate on why Poland attracts you?




Because it is extremely business friendly and growing at a rapid rate. My dad also has citizenship there so i can easily become one too. You obviously haven't been to Poland. It isn't some shitty communist country anymore. It is actually quite nice.

Oh and OC is right, the girls are hella fine.


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Icelander]
    #14577289 - 06/07/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder if anyone else notices this?

In my own way, yeah. Definitely easier to pick up in others as they try to push down an emotion but it still finds a way to poke through regardless. I've developed pretty good methods of release but sometimes I feel ill suited for the social world at large. So the times I notice it most are in social situations for sure. I want to release the emotion but I don't have what I would consider the necessary skill to release it in a socially appropriate way. And so down it goes until a later point in time. So my personal task is based around developing more creative ways of releasing certain emotions that won't put others on edge like a raw release of emotion can.


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Kickle]
    #14578016 - 06/08/11 02:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think this is a common challenge.


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Kickle]
    #14578669 - 06/08/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wonder if anyone else notices this?

In my own way, yeah. Definitely easier to pick up in others as they try to push down an emotion but it still finds a way to poke through regardless. I've developed pretty good methods of release but sometimes I feel ill suited for the social world at large. So the times I notice it most are in social situations for sure. I want to release the emotion but I don't have what I would consider the necessary skill to release it in a socially appropriate way. And so down it goes until a later point in time. So my personal task is based around developing more creative ways of releasing certain emotions that won't put others on edge like a raw release of emotion can.




:minigun:

Trust me dude.  It's like- ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that's the good stuff. :lol:


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Re: Nothing negates what you feel. [Re: Cups]
    #14578831 - 06/08/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"But now, for myself I  thin I'm beginning to  realize that there is nothing wrong or can negate what I feel. Other people are feeling different due to the fact that they are not me and are in a different place in time and have a different way of perceiving and that has nothing to do with me and isn't my business. Plus the fact that I really don't know what they mean when they say things to me cause I don't know what is motivating them at that moment. I'm going to continue working on this subtle way I undermine  the way I feel. "

Wow Ice, I'm happy to see you write this. With the first bolded sentence, its the same way with all the nutters that come on here. They all get there their own way, and as with everyone, the subjective stuff is all bullshit, but it is mental artifacts. Listening to people's bullshit is a wonderful window into the history of their life. If you don't listen to bullshit as a personal game, but sit back and really listen to what is being said, you can pick up on a lot of stuff, especially in books. I can't really read for enjoyment all that well anymore, I find myself examining all the personal bullshit statements an author puts into their work, looking for as many sources of what something could have come from as I can, never quite concluding though.

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