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GuruBushHippie
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
#14569837 - 06/06/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kava and 5-htp before bed, plus years of practice
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Hygrocybe
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#14569861 - 06/06/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had the same problem. Stop your LD practices and stop thinking about it, your dreams will return to normal in time.
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VTtripper
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Hygrocybe]
#14569974 - 06/06/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hygrocybe said: I had the same problem. Stop your LD practices and stop thinking about it, your dreams will return to normal in time.
It's not that they suddenly stopped. It's more of a situation where I never dreamed much, and I started doing some LD training/practices and still can't seem to dream at all. And when I do dream, I either only recall snippets, or they're interrupted.
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maug



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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
#14570020 - 06/06/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do not smoke pot, or take anything. This is just asking for the lines to get more blurred.
@ op: You might try EFT (emotional freedom tek). It's a nice "reset button". It may be just what you need. It helps to tell yourself you are just like everyone else you see around you, and just go with their flow/values.
Once I felt like that for a long time. Well over a month. It ended in a paralyzing terrifying trip that I think was set off from the combination of weed and Benadryl 3 days prior. I couldn't dream didn't dream for about 2 years after.
-------------------- I think nighttime is dark so you can imagine your fears with less distraction. -Calvin and Hobbes
Edited by maug (06/06/11 03:43 PM)
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Itssointense
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Hygrocybe]
#14570081 - 06/06/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP, I too go through Lucid Dreaming periods. I've been doing it on and off for years. Whenever I would get confused about being in waking life or dream land, I would use the technique they used in inception where you try and remember how you got to where you were. If I am dreaming, either I can't remember how I got their or the circumstances that preceded are always too crazy to be waking life.
@VTtripper if you want to become lucid while dreaming, you have to first improve your dream recall. Like anything, some people are naturally better at it than others. You are dreaming, just not remembering. Everyone person dreams and so does your dog, cat, and other animals as well. Tell yourself before you go to sleep you will remember your dream upon waking. Make that the last thought you have before going to sle. Keep a dream journal and write down your dreams as soon as you wake up. It takes lots of patience and practice but you cannot have a lucid dream until you remember them.
-------------------- "There comes a time when the mind takes a higher plane of knowledge but can never prove how it got there." -Albert Einstein "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." -Morpheus
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VTtripper
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Itssointense]
#14570138 - 06/06/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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noahm888 said:
@VTtripper if you want to become lucid while dreaming, you have to first improve your dream recall. Like anything, some people are naturally better at it than others. You are dreaming, just not remembering. Everyone person dreams and so does your dog, cat, and other animals as well. Tell yourself before you go to sleep you will remember your dream upon waking. Make that the last thought you have before going to sle. Keep a dream journal and write down your dreams as soon as you wake up. It takes lots of patience and practice but you cannot have a lucid dream until you remember them.
I'll try it out, but I've woken up every day for the past few weeks with my pad of paper right next to my bed to write the dreams down, but I get nothing most days. Not even a vague recollection of a dream. Could I be lacking sleep? As I stated previously, I only get like 6-7 hrs a night
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Itssointense
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
#14570177 - 06/06/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think all you need to do is keep practicing. I couldn't remember my dreams for shit when I started. After a few weeks of practice I started to remember more and more of my dreams. I've found when you wake up, think about the last thing you were doing in your dream and work backwards. Once you get as far back as you can remember, start writing it down from there. Just write what you can remember. The fact to you make this a common practice will help improve your recall on it's own. It tells your brain you want it to remember.
-------------------- "There comes a time when the mind takes a higher plane of knowledge but can never prove how it got there." -Albert Einstein "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." -Morpheus
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VTtripper
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Itssointense]
#14570306 - 06/06/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alright. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the advice
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schmoopy



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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
#14570481 - 06/06/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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hello. just my opinion/thoughts on this.
If I were you OP, I would try to arrange a couple of days where I could get out of town and away from routine.
I'd also stop doing all drugs and add a new practice in addition to the practice that is helping you have lucid dreams. You're making progress, time to amp up effort or go back to sleep.
There's this practice I do that has been extremely helpful,
S.O.L. - subject, object, location
get a watch that has a countdown timer and set it to go off once every hour. when it goes off, take just a moment to take note of -
subject - you. pay attention to your body, where it is in space and what it is doing. what are you thinking, feeling... etc. just check in.
object - what is going on around you? take note of the details. what is hanging on the wall? study the objects around you. are there any unusual objects you don't recognize? if so, study them... just some examples.
location - where are you? inside a house? outdoors? do you come here often? are you in the physical world or the astral world?
Test reality.
after asking yourself where you are at, don't just believe what your mind tells you. test it. you can do it discreetly by pulling your finger or pushing on a wall or piece of glass. Just test the density of yourself and your surroundings. If you are dreaming, the environment will change. Signs, papers, anything with words will shift easily. Take a little leap in the air. If you're in the astral plane you'll float.
this exercise works best when practiced often and consistently. i go through periods sometimes where i set a watch timer to go off every 10 minutes to remind myself.
Results - you'll become more aware of yourself in the physical world and be able to confirm where you are at, and you'll be jolted into lucidity when you do the practice in your dreams.
whatever happens and whatever course of action you decide to take addressing this, best of luck to you. try to just be relaxed.
-------------------- The observer is the observed. -J. Krishnamurti
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maug



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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
#14570555 - 06/06/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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VTtripper said: I'll try it out, but I've woken up every day for the past few weeks with my pad of paper right next to my bed to write the dreams down, but I get nothing most days. Not even a vague recollection of a dream. Could I be lacking sleep? As I stated previously, I only get like 6-7 hrs a night
Stay awake until you're exhausted, and then close your eyes but don't sleep (palming works well). Stay relaxed, and open your eyes in order to see the dream plus reality. Stay awake until you're exhausted, and take a caffeine pill right before you pass out.
Both of those are pretty much guaranteed to be interesting.
-------------------- I think nighttime is dark so you can imagine your fears with less distraction. -Calvin and Hobbes
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VTtripper
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
#14570698 - 06/06/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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maug said:
Stay awake until you're exhausted, and then close your eyes but don't sleep (palming works well). Stay relaxed, and open your eyes in order to see the dream plus reality. Stay awake until you're exhausted, and take a caffeine pill right before you pass out.
Both of those are pretty much guaranteed to be interesting.
Excuse my ignorance, but if I'm exhausted and I close my eyes, won't I drift to sleep? Also, what is palming? Is that where you write an A on your palm to mean Awake?
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maug



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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
#14570865 - 06/06/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Put the palm of your hand over your eyes. If you stay awake a long time, you need to do that anyways because they will dry out. And naturally, you'll need to fight off the sleep a bit. It can be done. My personal record is 5 days with no caffeine/drugs.
-------------------- I think nighttime is dark so you can imagine your fears with less distraction. -Calvin and Hobbes
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VTtripper
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
#14570991 - 06/06/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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maug said: Put the palm of your hand over your eyes. If you stay awake a long time, you need to do that anyways because they will dry out. And naturally, you'll need to fight off the sleep a bit. It can be done. My personal record is 5 days with no caffeine/drugs.
So you're saying you stayed awake for 5 days straight?
Holy shit.
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evenbreak
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
#14571448 - 06/06/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i envy you so much. how did you get to the point of being able to dream so vividly that you're actually having a hard time with how vivid it is?
seriously. i want to know. is it something people are born with, or can it be trained?
i remember, before i gave up trying to LD, that every time I begin to realize that I'm dreaming, my dreams become really weak and it's like I'm always on the verge of waking up. was never able to overcome this obstacle..
-------------------- It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not wake up. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren’t being tortured. The only way that they realized they needed to wake up was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to wake up. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and please wake up.
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: evenbreak]
#14572182 - 06/06/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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evenbreak said: i envy you so much. how did you get to the point of being able to dream so vividly that you're actually having a hard time with how vivid it is?
seriously. i want to know. is it something people are born with, or can it be trained?
+1
OP, make an EDU thread on the topic, i'm sure many people would be grateful
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bRaInMeLtErS
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Zzzarathustra]
#14572233 - 06/06/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lucid dreaming is difficult, takes a lot of practice. I've managed to go lucid on multiple occasions and it truly is amazing. There's just nothing like it.
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GuruBushHippie
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: bRaInMeLtErS]
#14572282 - 06/06/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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evenbreak said: i envy you so much. how did you get to the point of being able to dream so vividly that you're actually having a hard time with how vivid it is?
seriously. i want to know. is it something people are born with, or can it be trained?
i remember, before i gave up trying to LD, that every time I begin to realize that I'm dreaming, my dreams become really weak and it's like I'm always on the verge of waking up. was never able to overcome this obstacle..
Lucid dreams are my shit! i think all the big stuff hasd been mentioned. You gotta start with dream recall, i use a journal and record what i can remember in the morning. Read over it after a while and take note of recurring themes or patterns. Within these patterns one can usually find details that aren't consistent with waking reality (this could be a clock that reads 1B:94 for example, or visual distortions in the environment.) It varies widely from person to person but these nonsensical signals can help you to trigger lucidity later on. Personally, my reality check is to study my periphreal vidsion. if it's more like tunnel vision than it would be while awake then i know i'm dreaming and can then become lucid and open up my vision all the way. Another thing that helps me a lot is a nightly supplement of 5-HTP (10-20 bucks at a whole foods store, gnc, drug store, etc.) This is a serotonin precursor, thus, it helps facilitate the production of melatonin and POSSIBLY dimethyltryptamine by the pineal gland; though the dmt part is ONLY speculation. I find that b/c im such a stoner the supplement helps me to remember my dreams better as well as making them more vivid. So after that there comes actually triggering the experience. When a recurring nonsense cue comes into play, recognize it as a sign that you are indeed dreaming. Dont get too excited (it'll happen a few times and you'll wake up from sheer excitement.) This can becontrolled over time. eventually you can learn to do... anything really within your dreams. It's a lot of fun, but it takes YEARS of practice! once you learn though, you can just think it and it happens!!! have fun! And as a side note on 5-HTP; dont take it within six hours (before or after) drinking large amounts of alcohol as this is known to cause adverse reactions such as fainting or siezure. This works for me anyway, hope it helps! open to anymore questions, i've been doing it every night for ten years. it's still getting stranger and stranger.
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k00laid
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: bRaInMeLtErS]
#14572291 - 06/06/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP you arent as special as you think you are.
or as cursed as you think you are.
the only truth path is the middle way.
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Led Zeppelin
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: k00laid]
#14573264 - 06/07/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i wanna lucid dream....id probly just run around grabbin titties
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GuruBushHippie
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Led Zeppelin]
#14574139 - 06/07/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Led Zeppelin said: i wanna lucid dream....id probly just run around grabbin titties
You can do more than that. More like fulfill your every sexual fantasy with absolute perfection.
-------------------- Two roads diverged in a wood, and I cut straight through the forest, and that has made all the difference.
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