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grainbrain
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My San Pedros - New pups
#14573536 - 06/07/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I bought my first San Pedro yesterday from a local home improvement store. This was the first time I've seen them available, so I grabbed it without hesitation.
It has some marks on it, that even after using the search function, I am still unsure about. Can any of you more experienced cacti gardeners help me out?
Edited by grainbrain (11/15/11 05:25 PM)
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14573666 - 06/07/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just scars. I see 'em on every Pedro I have.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14574458 - 06/07/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those look like non-PC pachanoi. I've never seen those in any US home improvement store yet. Nice find!
It's just scarring nothing to worry about.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: naum]
#14574521 - 06/07/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree about non-PC pachanoi, it's a bit hard to tell though, but definitely a pachanoi
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: jds]
#14574882 - 06/07/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info. I thought it looked more bumpy than the images of the PC variety found online, but I am totally new to ethnobotanical cacti. Will try to get some better images in the next few days.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14574903 - 06/07/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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grainbrain said: Thanks for the info. I thought it looked more bumpy than the images of the PC variety found online, but I am totally new to ethnobotanical cacti. Will try to get some better images in the next few days.
Actually, upon looking the spines are longer than the Backeberg variety. You may have an interesting Pedro in your collection.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14619648 - 06/15/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm going to repot these Pedros into clay and was curious if you guys would recommend separating them or leaving the pair as is?
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14620828 - 06/16/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would separate them if possible.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: Oboy]
#14621719 - 06/16/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks, Oboy. I'll give it a shot.
Here's a couple outdoor photos to better show the spines. I've been pouring over Trout's book, but still couldn't narrow it down any further.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14625578 - 06/16/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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grainbrain said: Thanks, Oboy. I'll give it a shot.
Here's a couple outdoor photos to better show the spines. I've been pouring over Trout's book, but still couldn't narrow it down any further.

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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: sko0bydo0]
#14625667 - 06/16/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The V-notches above the areoles (and to a lesser extent the spine length) suggest to me that your plants have some peruvianoid or macrogonoid (is that a word?) genetics.
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Thanks, wanderingmarlin. I went out on the hunt this weekend and scored two more pots of varying San Pedros.
The one on the far left looks to be the same as my first purchase. The guy next to it looks slightly more macrogonoid to my untrained eye. The tip growth is less uniform than the others.
Am I correct that the two on the right are the Backeberg variety?
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14641449 - 06/20/11 05:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I grabbed two sets of these Pachonoi, one at Home depot, one at walmart almost a month ago. It seems like every store is carrying these exact genetics, because my Walmart, Home Depot, and Lowe's all carry that same stock. I think they were grown from seed though, because I also saw two monstrose cacti in a sea of typical looking ones.
I tried eating lots of it, because it was EVERYWHERE, and for $17 I got about 20 inches of that super thick Pedro. My conclusion is that even Backberg Pedros are stronger than this variety by a longshot, because 20 in. of it was about threshold effects, while with my backbergs 2 feet is an intensely enjoyable trip (skinny ones). I still pamper mine though, because although they aren't too edible, they are another very nice addition of trichocereus pachanoi.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: Mary Jayne]
#14647682 - 06/21/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those are scars from too much water.
Also they may have been fed industrial fertilizers or systemic pesticides so be careful.
I've heard some ppl say that they would only work with clones from the parent plant. Either way, great find!
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: fireshaman]
#14648161 - 06/21/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sure the store bought ones aren't gonna be as potent because they're grown in better than ideal conditions. They're over watered, under stressed, and theyre generally in a peat based soil (if I'm not mistaken).
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: fngbronco]
#14679213 - 06/27/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info & links. I'm more informed and more confused now than ever. 
I don't plan on eating any of these guys anytime soon, just going to enjoy the knowledge of my subversive gardening efforts. I recently received a large number of various Trich and Loph seeds, so will be giving those a go later this summer.
More photos to follow once these Pedro mutts get transplanted and the others begin germination.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14679676 - 06/27/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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grainbrain said: Thanks for the info & links. I'm more informed and more confused now than ever. 
Trichs are confusing, man. I try to get mine IDed, but I end up just calling them all mutts. Yours, however, seem like non-pc san pedro as naum already said.
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More photos to follow once these Pedro mutts get transplanted and the others begin germination.
Right on. And yes, your two on the right are what most call backberg, but had no relation to him supposidly so they've just been called pc or predominant cultivar. Those are really common, your non-pc are a rare find.
Forgot to mention, those aren't scale. Nomad is dead on.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: drift]
#14731625 - 07/07/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Repotted all of my cacti today. Soil mix was approximately 48% Miracle Grow Cactus/Palm/Citrus soil run through 1/4" wire mesh, 48% Perlite, 4% medium coarse sand. Top dressed with aquarium gravel(white) or "natural sand" (pinkish). I ran out before finishing those last two Pedros, so they will have to wait a couple of days.
Front row: Grandiflorious x 2, Pedro x 3, Grandiflorious w/pups Back row: Cane Cholla x 2, Pedro x 3, Peruvianis KK242

A counter clockwise tour, starting with the little Grandiflorious.
          
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14812329 - 07/23/11 06:56 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Two weeks after repotting, my PC Pachanois are etoliating: 
And the pups on my Peruvianis are turning purple/black:  
I moved the PC Pachanoi to a more sunny spot. What is going on with my Peruvianis? Should I cut those pups off, since the main stalk is ok?
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14814465 - 07/23/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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That looks like rot on the peruvianus, I'd cut it off.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14814597 - 07/23/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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The purple/blackish spots are what is known as weeping black rot. Keep the pups dry and don't water the cactus heavily and it should just scab over. There's no need to cut the pups off unless it spreads and even then I've never seen black rot spread through the vascular bundle.
I recently noticed that some of my T. peruvianus also have black rot susceptible pups. The mature columns never show any signs of it so it's curious.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: naum]
#14816967 - 07/24/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. I'll keep an eye on it this week, but the spots are definitely getting bigger & more black than purple. It kills me, because I really liked the looks of this one, but will cut the pups if necessary.
Do you recommend leaving any of the pup material attached, or cut them off completely?
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14817042 - 07/24/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Throw some sulphur on it. It kills fungus by cutting the oxygen off to it. Unpot the cactus and sprinkle the sulphur on and lay it on it's side. A dusting will do, but it's basically your Obi Wan if it's spreading. If you can't unpot it, dust it a second time after a couple days.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14820523 - 07/25/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd just give it more time and keep an eye on it. If it progresses or the tip goes black then I would cut it but like naum said, it's weeping black rot and those lesions should clear up on their own without spreading throughout the whole cactus. Sulphur powder wouldn't hurt it either.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: karode13]
#14827215 - 07/26/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry about your P.'s. Hope all gets better. I had a pedro cutting rot from the top down and couldn't salvage it.Hope yours manages a little better. Keep us posted.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: Tsew Si Tsae]
#14838816 - 07/28/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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The rot seems to have slowed or stopped entirely. Still looking for some sulphur powder locally. Thanks again for the good advice.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14838944 - 07/28/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sulfur powder is generally used on roses, for leaf mildew and whatnot. Any nursery should have it.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: fngbronco]
#14839052 - 07/28/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good tip. I quickly scanned the home improvement store, but was not sure where to find it in there. Will hit a nursery soon.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#14840497 - 07/28/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lowes sells Lilly Miller sulfur Dust in the garden section 90% sulfur
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: EdBomb]
#15375000 - 11/15/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, over the course of the summer I applied the sulfur dust twice. The rot did overcome the growing tip on both pups, but Mother Nature endured and began throwing out new pups. These photos were taken six weeks ago.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: grainbrain]
#15375051 - 11/15/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man, I've got a cutting I've been trying to root for a year and it's done NOTHING. Those are awesome. It's cool where it's pupping from too.
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Re: San Pedro - Scale, Scars or ??? [Re: fngbronco]
#15378433 - 11/16/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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man i searched walmart and home depot to find nothing. might be seasonal, but it could also be the part of the country im in.
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