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Lord_McLovin
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Re: Oops? Hopefully not too late? [Re: Perun]
#14574164 - 06/07/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Perun said: You need to leave inoculation holes uncovered for GE...dry verm layer is your filter! You can use micropore tape,but in general...there is no need!

Note that those 4 small holes are sufficient for gas exchange. If you don't leave them open, your growing mycelium cannot breathe - and stops growing at one point.
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MushroomPalace




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Re: Oops? Hopefully not too late? [Re: SomeGuy]
#14574171 - 06/07/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You aren't going to change your mind so I won't argue any further. I've shared my opinion, you've shared yours. It's up to the others to decide which one they want to follow. I'm not going to argue about who is right. That's just a waist of energy
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Yeah I'm out too
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Re: Oops? Hopefully not too late? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#14574190 - 06/07/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lord_McLovin said:
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Perun said: You need to leave inoculation holes uncovered for GE...dry verm layer is your filter! You can use micropore tape,but in general...there is no need!

Note that those 4 small holes are sufficient for gas exchange. If you don't leave them open, your growing mycelium cannot breathe - and stops growing at one point.
Never, ever have I had mycelium that stopped growing, and I do use micropore tape. Gas will get through the micropore tape without any problem.
I don't know this for a fact, but I believe it is because of diffusion. The formed gas during colonization leaves the jars to get to areas with lower concentrations of that gas.
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MushroomPalace said: You aren't going to change your mind so I won't argue any further. I've shared my opinion, you've shared yours. It's up to the others to decide which one they want to follow. I'm not going to argue about who is right. That's just a waist of energy 
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Re: Oops? Hopefully not too late? [Re: SomeGuy]
#14574553 - 06/07/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The results of your grow operations have nothing to do with the subject of this thread what so ever. You are simply flaunting and slapping your ego in everyone's face. I do not wish to participate in this.
Secondly, I must admit: you probably have more experience in growing hallucinogenic mushrooms than I. First of all because I started by growing edibles. Secondly because I don't grow hallucinogenics. Just like any other member here on the shroomery.org.
If you truly want to humiliate me, than do so by having superior intelligence. Prove my statements wrong. Make sure your arguments are explained scientifically. Do not tell me that "spores haven't got a shovel", but rather give me some valuable information. That's what this forum is about after all.
As I said, I won't participate in this cock fight. This kind of macho behavior isn't my style.
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MushroomPalace said: The results of your grow operations have nothing to do with the subject of this thread what so ever. You are simply flaunting and slapping your ego in everyone's face. I do not wish to participate in this.
Secondly, I must admit: you probably have more experience in growing hallucinogenic mushrooms than I. First of all because I started by growing edibles. Secondly because I don't grow hallucinogenics. Just like any other member here on the shroomery.org.
If you truly want to humiliate me, than do so by having superior intelligence. Prove my statements wrong. Make sure your arguments are explained scientifically. Do not tell me that "spores haven't got a shovel", but rather give me some valuable information. That's what this forum is about after all.
As I said, I won't participate in this cock fight. This kind of macho behavior isn't my style.
you're right I apologize for my arrogance. I've been drinking Pf tek is a fantastic tool for the novice mushroom cultivator. Aside from psilocybe cubensis, it will also fruit pleurotis ostreatus and with a minor tweak or two, it can fruit most species. The secret to PF tek is the dry vericulite layer, on top of a nutritious substrate, that has a high moisture holding capacity. By utilizing this technique, one is able to maintain a high level of sanatation through-out the inoculation, and colonization of the substrate. Because vermiculite is a stone-like material, it can not be ruined by too much heat, in the way filter disks or tyvek can. you can't overcook the substrate like grains. When grains are overcooked, they explode absorb too much water and become sticky. Not a prob. for pf. Pf tek jars should never be tilted, shaken, or turned upside down. That is actually the best part. It teaches a mycologist the hardest lesson; leave it alone, patience is key. Inside of the jar, the vermiculite protects the substrate from contamination, while at the same time allowing gaseous exchange. When bacteria or mold spores fall onto the vermiculite, as they do(if they didn't, you wouldn't need the vermiculite) they never germinate because there is no nutritional value to mold or bacteria. Making a pf cake is a lesson in sterile procedure. You put the sub in, CLEAN THE RIM really well, and add the verm. If you forget to do that, failure ensues. Basically what I am trying to say is that pf tek is a training tool to learn the basics and then have a basis to move on to more advanced methods, and for this reason I reccommend one follows the tek exactly, the first time, at least. By the time you add Injection ports, filter disks and everything else, you might as well have just done grains in the first place. PS, we'd all be happy to take a look at your edible grows. I'm an amateur mycologist who loves all aspects of fungus. I actually do more hunting than growing
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Re: Oops? Hopefully not too late? [Re: SomeGuy]
#14574932 - 06/07/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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paducahovoids said:
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MushroomPalace said: The results of your grow operations have nothing to do with the subject of this thread what so ever. You are simply flaunting and slapping your ego in everyone's face. I do not wish to participate in this.
Secondly, I must admit: you probably have more experience in growing hallucinogenic mushrooms than I. First of all because I started by growing edibles. Secondly because I don't grow hallucinogenics. Just like any other member here on the shroomery.org.
If you truly want to humiliate me, than do so by having superior intelligence. Prove my statements wrong. Make sure your arguments are explained scientifically. Do not tell me that "spores haven't got a shovel", but rather give me some valuable information. That's what this forum is about after all.
As I said, I won't participate in this cock fight. This kind of macho behavior isn't my style.
you're right I apologize for my arrogance. I've been drinking Pf tek is a fantastic tool for the novice mushroom cultivator. Aside from psilocybe cubensis, it will also fruit pleurotis ostreatus and with a minor tweak or two, it can fruit most species. The secret to PF tek is the dry vericulite layer, on top of a nutritious substrate, that has a high moisture holding capacity. By utilizing this technique, one is able to maintain a high level of sanatation through-out the inoculation, and colonization of the substrate. Because vermiculite is a stone-like material, it can not be ruined by too much heat, in the way filter disks or tyvek can. you can't overcook the substrate like grains. When grains are overcooked, they explode absorb too much water and become sticky. Not a prob. for pf. Pf tek jars should never be tilted, shaken, or turned upside down. That is actually the best part. It teaches a mycologist the hardest lesson; leave it alone, patience is key. Inside of the jar, the vermiculite protects the substrate from contamination, while at the same time allowing gaseous exchange. When bacteria or mold spores fall onto the vermiculite, as they do(if they didn't, you wouldn't need the vermiculite) they never germinate because there is no nutritional value to mold or bacteria. Making a pf cake is a lesson in sterile procedure. You put the sub in, CLEAN THE RIM really well, and add the verm. If you forget to do that, failure ensues. Basically what I am trying to say is that pf tek is a training tool to learn the basics and then have a basis to move on to more advanced methods, and for this reason I reccommend one follows the tek exactly, the first time, at least. By the time you add Injection ports, filter disks and everything else, you might as well have just done grains in the first place. PS, we'd all be happy to take a look at your edible grows. I'm an amateur mycologist who loves all aspects of fungus. I actually do more hunting than growing
I thank you for your response and your constructive criticism. So I think we can conclude that PF Tek is an excellent method of growing mushrooms for beginners. Although I'm still of the opinion that adding micropore tape provides extra safety. Micropore tape can't be damaged by overheating. Just got to be careful not to make it wet. That's what the tinfoil is used for.
I'd like to show you my edible grows, but I only recently have bought a camera (Sony HX5V). I didn't own one before that. So no pictures. All I have are my grow logs. But I do have some substrates colonizing at this moment. I suspect them to be good for fruiting in 5 - 10 days. I'll post a thread when I've harvested the first flush.
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Lord_McLovin
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Lord_McLovin said:
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Perun said: You need to leave inoculation holes uncovered for GE...dry verm layer is your filter! You can use micropore tape,but in general...there is no need!

Note that those 4 small holes are sufficient for gas exchange. If you don't leave them open, your growing mycelium cannot breathe - and stops growing at one point.
Never, ever have I had mycelium that stopped growing, and I do use micropore tape. Gas will get through the micropore tape without any problem./quote]
I never questioned that. I thought we were talking about usual tape?!
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Re: Oops? Hopefully not too late? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#14575778 - 06/07/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The only thing I disagree with, and I still do A LOT of cakes, is with the turning upside down part. If you are a new grower and use the narrow half pints instead of the shallow wide mouth half pints you should be using, then there will be a lot of times where the bottoms of your jars will stall and not colonize. If you have a dry verm barrier, as I always do, just turn the jar upside down when this happens and give it a good "whack" on a piece of wood. This will dislodge the cake a bit, and provide some fresh air to the bottom of the jar and the bottom will finish colonizing in a couple days when the jar is placed back into the incubator upside down. I've done this dozens of times with the narrow jars I still have lying around, though lately, I'm just using the shallow wide mouth's for all my BRF/Worm-Casting/Bee Pollen cakes, and using the narrow half-pints for my super fast WBS GLC's. They usually don't stall on the bottom, and I love cakes for testing isolates, and all sorts of agar experiments. I will take my agar wedge and make a quick WBS GLC, and noc up a couple cakes and fruit. If I like the results, I've got a great WBS GLC that I can do all sorts of stuff with. Right now I have a FC full of cakes from different clones, isolates, and sketchy nocs from impure prints which I cleaned up on agar. For the experimenter, cakes come in real handy when you need a good gram for gram flush and you want it sure and safe. Also, when space is a concern too, you cannot beat cakes. Then when you want to go bulk on something, it's easy since you have an LC ready to go in the fridge.
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Re: Oops? Hopefully not too late? [Re: bbox244]
#14576153 - 06/07/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I lost interest in the argument about 2 posts from the end of the first page... I have never had a contam in a pf tek cake EVER, and I don't use tyvek or micropore tape. simple as that, the dry verm is your barrier and RR will back that up.
As far as grains, You want tyvek or filter disks, micropore tape works if you have 2-4 layers.
If you can control yourself and have even close to the patients required in the field of mycology, then you can get away with just dry verm for your barrier. My jars sit on top my fridge or out in the open and have never contaminated. If I was to tip them over and look at them every day, then I would need micropore tape like most new growers do.
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MushroomPalace




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Then why does RR use micropore tape in his videos?
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MushroomPalace said: Then why does RR use micropore tape in his videos?
This has been discussed to death. Just let it go
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Re: Oops? Hopefully not too late? [Re: ozzysmygod]
#14580079 - 06/08/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyway, I believe that micropore tape will not make things worse. It's better to cover holes with it. Or even make injection ports with self-healing silicone and make a good hole with a filter for GE.
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