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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: zappaisgod]
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PileusSonofGalt said: Yeah I think that I am going to end my conversation with you here, you obviously are wearing some awesome rose colored shades. If you look into the finances you will see the loans are coming only from companies that have taken TARP funds, so I am pretty sure they are still borrowing taxpayer dollars.
Before you end your conversation, please show evidence that the Italian automaker Fiat recieved TARP money as you claim. If you don't answer, then I can understand why you've ended your conversation (you can't find evidence).
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PileusSonofGalt said: If you think you are doing them a favor then quit, start your own company and earn your own millions.
I'd love to. It would cost tens of millions to start a company in the industry I'm in. I wasn't paid enough in my previous job to be able to afford it.
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PileusSonofGalt said: I highly doubt you have earned them even one million, if you had then you would know how hard it is to produce that much wealth.
Actually, I was being conservative. I earned several hundred million dollars for my previous company (Siemens). Yes, I know how hard it was, and then they fucked me with a mere 25% raise. My vice president, on the other hand, and those above him made a huge amount of money off my work, although they weren't even involved in my project. (If you're interested in how I earned the company that much, I'm happy to share.)
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PileusSonofGalt said: I have no need for a "top" college, I am not sure how much a degree from Yale could help me compared to my degree from culinary school and Xavier.
I'm saying the top colleges attract smarter people, and the top colleges are very liberal.
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PileusSonofGalt said: Oh wait, thats right, Xavier is a top college for business in this country.
Look, I'm not saying #115 in the country is bad, but it's not what I meant by top college.
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PileusSonofGalt said: I just do not agree with having to pay for someone elses child to learn while I could be saving that money for my children's private school fund. It is not the role of government to provide educational resources.
I can't name a single civilized society where that's NOT a role of Government. Can you? Only the countries I provided.
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PileusSonofGalt said: People can get fair wages without robbing a company of its right to conduct business, they may have to work for it though, you probably do not like that idea though.
Actually, I do like the idea of working hard for a fair wage. Employers will NEVER give a fair wage if they don't have to. My current company earns an average of $650,000/year per employee. Most people don't even make one quarter of that. The reason? Not because the employees aren't worth it. We're actually told our salaries are based on the "going rate" for our positions, not on the profits we make. They know we can't quit and make more elsewhere because everyone else pays the "going rate".
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PileusSonofGalt said: Agh, my favorite, work is not voluntary!!! ROFLMAO!!! It is COMPLETELY voluntary, no one puts a gun to your head and says work or die, not in this country.
That's because in this country, we have liberal laws that ensure your basic survival. That wouldn't be the case in your dream country. Work would be mandatory.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: memes]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Agreed - it's not "easy", but "easier". It takes money to make money.
So fucking what. My parents worked hard and have money, and now i get to use it to help myself. YOU DONT GET TO 'EVEN TEH PLAYING FIELD' JUST BECUASE YOU CAME OUT ON TEH SHITTY END OF THE GODDAMN STICK.
That's up to the voters. And no one's proposing to "EVEN" the playing field, just level it slightly.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Ever wonder why the country's top colleges are so liberal?
Nope. Never have wondered because I know why. By and large they don't have the balls to put their talents, if they have any, at risk.
The top colleges attract the most brilliant minds in the country. Nobel laureates are frequently professors at top colleges. If you think you anyone can teach at Harvard that wants to, you're sadly mistaken.
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Ooh...you're so smart! Congratulations on going to a "top college."
College is a fucking scam. The teaching is biased and you come out dumber than when you went in. Ever heard of self-education? Most of the rich people in the U.S. are just that, sefl-driven, self-educated, creative, and willing to work hard.
Intelligence is not even a definable concept. Our silly little standardized tests are a pitiful attempt to distinguish how smart people are. People have talents that can't be summed up by some stupid test or by how well they submit to their socialist public schooling system.
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zappaisgod said: Success my ass: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/president-obamas-phony-accounting-on-the-auto-industry-bailout/2011/06/06/AG3nefKH_blog.html
The author of that article is far more dishonest than Obama. I was going to write a rebuttal, but it was done for me already: Fact Checking the Fact Checker
I guess the president would never lie to the american people
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The second point on which the Post falls short is in suggesting that the 113,000 American jobs added by the auto industry since Chrysler and GM are irrelevant because the figure includes jobs at suppliers, dealers, parts manufacturers, and other related entities.
seems there's 16000 fewer jobs in the auto industry than there were in 2009, not 130,000 more jobs http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/06/barack_obama_democrats_call_the_auto_bailouts_a_success_but_did_they_work.html http://cei.org/op-eds-articles/obama%E2%80%99s-funny-auto-jobs-math
oh, wait a minute... here's how they added 130,000 more jobs in the auto industry, somehow Obama must be seeing Mexico as one of the 57 states http://www.voanews.com/english/news/americas/Automaker-Chrysler-Opens-570-Million-Plant-in-Mexico-106368999.html http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2011/03/09/chrysler-plant-mexico-build-fiat-subcompact/
http://www.industryweek.com/articles/gm_to_build_new_vehicle__at_plant_in_mexico_22462.aspx http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/20/mexico-gm-idUSN2011837420110120
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2009/08/ford_announces_new_diesel_truc.html
let's not forget about the Obama Flagshit car, the Chevy Volt and how the Obama administration is allowing for dealers to scam the tax payers in order to claim a boost in sales numbers for the car no one wants, a whopping 35 miles per 7 hour charge and only gets 35mpg, well below the 93mpg the EPA has claimed and a far cry from GMs 230mpg claim
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f2315b9/0 http://pricinginsider.carsdirect.com/2011/06/02/gm-dealers-taking-chevy-volt-tax-credits-away-from-consumers/
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: memes]
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PileusSonofGalt said: It is not easy, not even relatively, to start or maintain a successful buss iness if you come form a rich family. Any new endeavor is tough, regardless of your economic background, G.W. Bush Jr. failed miserably in the oil buss iness, even with millions in backing.
Agreed - it's not "easy", but "easier". It takes money to make money.
So fucking what. My parents worked hard and have money, and now i get to use it to help myself. YOU DONT GET TO 'EVEN TEH PLAYING FIELD' JUST BECUASE YOU CAME OUT ON TEH SHITTY END OF THE GODDAMN STICK.
Fuck redistribution of wealth.
I doubt you're rich enough to ever have any sort of your wealth "redistributed." Working hard rarely creates the wealth that people are talking about here.
But if you are that wealthy, what do you suppose the people on "the shitty end of the goddamn stick" do? Why don't your parents (who I would assume own some sort of business if they are as wealthy as you claim) hire more people bro? Is the extra $40k in salary per person gonna run all your money out? You sound like a goddamn spoiled brat, OH MY PARENTS WORKED HARD FOR ALL THESE YEARS NOW I CAN TAKE A DAMN BREAK BECAUSE NOW THAT WE HAVE MONEY, MORE MONEY JUST ROLLS IN. It doesn't take a genius, or even an ounce of hard work to turn a million into ten, what takes work is to get to that first mil. Something that you will NEVER be able to experience, because you obviously don't have any intentions on working hard.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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ShroomyJohn said: Is the extra $40k in salary per person gonna run all your money out?
apparently you have no understanding of how a business operates, that $40k per person could put them out of business especially if they already have sufficient staff, then it's $40k each year that's pissed away to have someone do nothing
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You sound like a goddamn spoiled brat
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It doesn't take a genius, or even an ounce of hard work to turn a million into ten, what takes work is to get to that first mil
lol... 50 years ago that may have been true, today it's that first $20 million that's the hard work, after that the millions can roll in
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: Fink Ployd]
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College is a fucking scam. The teaching is biased and you come out dumber than when you went in.
My sister went to college and came out an engineer and makes, what is to me anyway, mega bucks. Not bad for someone who came out dumber than she went in.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: Prisoner#1]
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apparently you have no understanding of how a business operates, that $40k per person could put them out of business especially if they already have sufficient staff, then it's $40k each year that's pissed away to have someone do nothing
I'm troubled how you think that somehow when our country has an official unemployment rate of over 9% (I can't even imagine what the actual number is) you would think that hiring a person (there is ALWAYS room for more to be done, somewhere in a business) for $40k/yr is somehow "pissed away". You don't get rich by banking $40k a year. You have to remember who I replied to, and the situation being talked about. Apparently, meams is wealthy enough to have his wealth redistributed, meaning $40k a year is a drop in the bucket.
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you like flaming? I bet you like bans too
"you sound like a spoiled brat" ?? Really, thats the bar we're going to set as flaming? If so I guess I'll have to watch myself a little closer.
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lol... 50 years ago that may have been true, today it's that first $20 million that's the hard work, after that the millions can roll in
Different numbers, same concept.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: Prisoner#1]
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It doesn't take a genius, or even an ounce of hard work to turn a million into ten, what takes work is to get to that first mil
lol... 50 years ago that may have been true, today it's that first $20 million that's the hard work, after that the millions can roll in
a ban? for speaking his opinion? 40k a year? this is the auto industry we are talking about, not the sharpie marker factory business. they make like a billion a year, and run a surprisingly limited number of factories, probably under 100. and now that automotive plants are almost entirely automated, the amount of workers is bare minimum. a few janitors a few managers and enough people to work the automated machines(basically press start and stop at the end of the day)
what costs these companies so much are inspections, engineers, etc. they have to pay millions to engineers to stay in the top line with competitive automotive companies, also paying people to inspect the machines and make sure they are working properly each month. and also if the things break, you need engineers to come in and fix them, and inspectors to come verify they are fixed afterwards, to get your certificate up to speed.
now let me tell you something. you know who loses when the government raises the minimum wage? well, the government doesn't. now minimum wage doesn't make up 40k a year, obviously. but this whole argument on "the government loses when the minimum wage goes up" is totally incorrect.
who do they have to pay minimum wage to? electric company personell? librarians? they are going to be losing so much money?
dude, only greed thinks like that. you don't have to be the chief economist to realize, that the government doesn't lose on raising the minimum wage ever. the government doesn't need a sale to be over a certain amount of money, or under a certain amount of money, to make money on it. they get paid a percentage of a sale by the penny. if you sell someone a .10 cent piece of bubblegum, they make .2 cents off it.
when peoples pay checks go up, they tax more money. they don't depend on one set of sales, they depend on their taxes. people can't buy houses? if people got paid more they could buy more houses. or at least they'd spend more money, helping small business owners, who would in turn buy more houses. really the fact is, only business owners themselves suffer from paying higher minimum wage, and usually the smaller business who aren't making as much money, which the government doesn't care much about. in terms of money the government makes, they shouldn't care less about small business or big business. they tax it all. they should be concerned over who is selling the most pay checks, they tax each pay check.
would you rather tax ten pay checks, with each tax revenue being $100 for 10% of each thousand dollar pay check? making a total of $1000 in revenue? or would you rather tax three hundred pay checks, with tax revenue from each check being $10 for 10% of each $100 pay check, with tax revenue being $3000 in total? at the end of the year, one of those equations is going to equal 3 billion, while the other one is going to equal 1 billion total revenue profit.
does it take a chief economist to understand that? or are people just to stubborn to realize you can't argue with correct calculations.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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I'm troubled how you think that somehow when our country has an official unemployment rate of over 9% (I can't even imagine what the actual number is) you would think that hiring a person (there is ALWAYS room for more to be done, somewhere in a business) for $40k/yr is somehow "pissed away". You don't get rich by banking $40k a year. You have to remember who I replied to, and the situation being talked about. Apparently, meams is wealthy enough to have his wealth redistributed, meaning $40k a year is a drop in the bucket.
for some people $40k a year is barely under what their business totals every year. but yes in that situation it is a drop in the bucket to a billion a year industry. now if you are paying so many employees over 40k a year, obviously 40k multiplied over and over and over and over and over equals a billion, and you need to pay for other things as well. I don't know what the cost of material for making all those cars is, but I'm guessing it's like drops in the bucket compared to what each car sells for. I used to trade aluminum for like a few dollars a pound. I thought that was a lot of money, but aluminum is light, after filling up my car with aluminum, I realized once I got to trade it in, I'd only made about $100. a good bit but how much of that goes into each car? and that's aluminum we are talking about, most other metals are cheaper. most of these cars sell for $thousands. count that.
also, remember, you can get banned now for disagreeing with a moderator?
the problem with politics, is the same problem you face on this forum, you point out obvious fallacies, and people disagree with you just because they aren't willing to do the math. what is more obviously greedy, selling a house for a million and keeping most of the profit? or taxing a penny of one hundred million sales, and no one barely notices you in the background, counting pennies until your eyes bleed, and buying up all the stocks for yourself, and giving back to no one.
apparently it's not illegal to keep money you made off a fair transaction. but when people are starving to death, and you are making hundreds of millions off of bonus checks, I think it's kind of hard to feel that people like that couldn't be reinvesting into the community. and obviously people who reinvest, tend to get interest back anyway. it's a win win situation when done right, when done correctly, it's nice and neat. but anyhow greed can blind anybody.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: imachavel]
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I can hear that but one problem is giving back to the community is risky cause many don't deserve our help.
Let's say some guy is pan handling on the corner. You got plenty and it's not problem to spare him a buck or two and you get to feel good for helping the down and out. Problem is he beats his dog and his wife and he's a thief and quit his job because he didn't like anyone telling him his work quality was poor.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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apparently you have no understanding of how a business operates, that $40k per person could put them out of business especially if they already have sufficient staff, then it's $40k each year that's pissed away to have someone do nothing
I'm troubled how you think that somehow when our country has an official unemployment rate of over 9% (I can't even imagine what the actual number is) you would think that hiring a person (there is ALWAYS room for more to be done, somewhere in a business) for $40k/yr is somehow "pissed away". You don't get rich by banking $40k a year. You have to remember who I replied to, and the situation being talked about. Apparently, meams is wealthy enough to have his wealth redistributed, meaning $40k a year is a drop in the bucket.
know why so many companies have gone under, too many billions in labor being pissed away, it becomes a matter of lay them off or close up shop, wasnt Obama promising the unemployment rate wouldnt rise above 8% when he hopped of the campaign trail to vote for a stimulus package that would provide shovel ready jobs, and what of the other two stimulus packages that were supposed to put americans back to work, just like the auto industry bail outs that were supposed to keep the doors of the auto plants in the US opened and keep those jobs here
maybe you need to lay this spiel on the commander in chief and not meams' mom
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lol... 50 years ago that may have been true, today it's that first $20 million that's the hard work, after that the millions can roll in
Different numbers, same concept.
so other than getting a bailout, how will we get that $20mil
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: College is a fucking scam. The teaching is biased and you come out dumber than when you went in.
My sister went to college and came out an engineer and makes, what is to me anyway, mega bucks. Not bad for someone who came out dumber than she went in.
Learning a skill and making money is different than becoming a more intelligent person who can make informed, historically educated and unbiased decisions in life. Which can be pretty important when people can vote on things that affect other people's lives.
School was supposed to be about learning about life and becoming an overall more educated person. A step towards self-actualization. A place to learn and discuss all the things that make an educated person: history, math, science, philosophy, art, current events. You don't have to go to school to learn a job, you can be trained to do a job. Being an engineer your sister probably had a lot of math and science which would make her more educated, but that doesn't mean she didn't get a biased education. It doesn't mean she was given all of the tools to be an informed person. It doesn't mean she didn't either though, I'm just saying...
School is setup for people to get jobs now, instead of being focused on producing holistically informed individuals.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: Fink Ployd]
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I agree somewhat but that's not really how you put it in your other post.  
My sister is not dumb. She might be emotionally stunted though and that might support your claim.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: Fink Ployd]
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Fink Ployd said: School was supposed to be about learning about life and becoming an overall more educated person. A place to learn and discuss all the things that make an educated person: history, math, science, philosophy, art, current events.
School is setup for people to get jobs now, instead of being focused on producing holistically informed individuals.
since when was school ever teaching people about life? school has always provided a basic education in several areas as you've mentioned, it's up to a student to learn about life and to further their education beyond the basics that school taught
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Psychology, ethics, sociology ?
And imo it should include the study of personal life.
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: Icelander]
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wouldnt psychology and sociology be part of the sciences, wouldnt ethics be a part of civics which is closely connected to US history
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: I guess the president would never lie to the american people
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The second point on which the Post falls short is in suggesting that the 113,000 American jobs added by the auto industry since Chrysler and GM are irrelevant because the figure includes jobs at suppliers, dealers, parts manufacturers, and other related entities.
seems there's 16000 fewer jobs in the auto industry than there were in 2009, not 130,000 more jobs
Sorry my friend. it seems you don't seem to have the best reading comprehension. From your own post:
"The two automakers employ 16,500 fewer people than they did in 2009."
Two automakers don't make the "auto industry". Care to try again in finding anything in that rebuttal that was false?
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Re: Obama's Auto Industry Success [Re: LayinUp]
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LayinUp said: i blame this on monetary greed
take away the money, take away the incentive to commit crimes
just saying
If you take away the money the only substitute is the muzzle of a gun, Fransisco D'anconia.
Money is not the incentive for crime, wanting something for nothing is. greed is what makes humans great, if not for greed then you would not be on the internet right now.
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PileusSonofGalt said: It is not easy, not even relatively, to start or maintain a successful buss iness if you come form a rich family. Any new endeavor is tough, regardless of your economic background, G.W. Bush Jr. failed miserably in the oil buss iness, even with millions in backing.
Agreed - it's not "easy", but "easier". It takes money to make money.
So fucking what. My parents worked hard and have money, and now i get to use it to help myself. YOU DONT GET TO 'EVEN TEH PLAYING FIELD' JUST BECUASE YOU CAME OUT ON TEH SHITTY END OF THE GODDAMN STICK.
Fuck redistribution of wealth.
I doubt you're rich enough to ever have any sort of your wealth "redistributed." Working hard rarely creates the wealth that people are talking about here.
But if you are that wealthy, what do you suppose the people on "the shitty end of the goddamn stick" do? Why don't your parents (who I would assume own some sort of business if they are as wealthy as you claim) hire more people bro? Is the extra $40k in salary per person gonna run all your money out? You sound like a goddamn spoiled brat, OH MY PARENTS WORKED HARD FOR ALL THESE YEARS NOW I CAN TAKE A DAMN BREAK BECAUSE NOW THAT WE HAVE MONEY, MORE MONEY JUST ROLLS IN. It doesn't take a genius, or even an ounce of hard work to turn a million into ten, what takes work is to get to that first mil. Something that you will NEVER be able to experience, because you obviously don't have any intentions on working hard.
Actually I am a three time loser, I have had three DUIS in the past six years and I have never made more that $37000 on paper, I wait tables in a restaurant and do not even talk to my father because he is a liberal bitch who thinks he has a right to other peoples money. My mon is in college now and I help her pay the bill. I could not help but laugh when I read your response on me having no intentions of working hard. I grow shitake to sell at the local farmers market, I wait tables, I am studying now to be a top notch chef, I cut grass in my spare time to earn money and I do not have a license. I do anything I can to make money because I love it. I have never taken a penny I was not owed and I am pretty sure that my step mom is the only person in my family to earn more than $60000 a year. I plan on changing that, I will do whatever is necessary to make sure my family has everything they want, on my dime, no one elses.
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