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ShroomyJohn said:
What the fuck happened to my ignore list?  I guess I only have one more thing to say:  I think you are a complete liar.  You work for OSI?  So you work in a chain restaurant as a server?  A chain restaurant let you work for free for multiple weeks? I'm not sure, but I thought that was illegal?  You lie about getting a job interview, when really you were the homeless guy asking for work and a guy lent a hand, probably not even thinking you'd show up?  You somehow have three DUI's in six years, were homeless, went to college, made $5 an hour ? But in another post claimed you had made $37,000 on paper in a year before?  Less regulation in jobs overseas?  LIke paying ten year olds two dollars a day?  Like having no sort of safety in the workplace?  If me and others didn't like these things?  You're typing on a computer, you drove in a car at least three times, and probably have bought many items made in china because you were so terribly strapped for cash, right?  Ford seemed to be doing just fine in the 60's when the jobs were still in America, when did they file for bankruptcy again?  Once the American people couldn't afford their products because they shipped all the jobs that used to enable people to buy these things overseas?  Is livelihood your new word for profit?  You have a degree in business management but don't see that as relevant to own your own business? For some reason serving in a restaurant makes sense?

I feel bad for you man, maybe if insurance and pharmaceutical companies were concerned about your health you would be able to purchase the medication you obviously so very much need, for a reasonable price; but then again, it is probably the government regulations on pharmaceutical companies to not bring every drug to the market without extensive testing so that we aren't playing russain roulette going to the pharmacy, right?

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meams said:
So fucking what.  My parents worked hard and have money, and now i get to use it to help myself.  YOU DONT GET TO 'EVEN TEH PLAYING FIELD' JUST BECUASE YOU CAME OUT ON TEH SHITTY END OF THE GODDAMN STICK.

Fuck redistribution of wealth.

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Prisoner#1 said:
so can you show me where ford put on 100,000 people in their US plants? or maybe where hundreds of dealerships opened back up to sell the chevy volt

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The official Bureau of Labor Statistics data refers to the entire auto industry — including foreign auto manufacturers, auto parts manufacturers, auto parts dealers and auto dealers. If you look at the data, the 113,200 jobs added between June 2009 and May 2011 amounts to about a 5 percent increase

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PileusSonofGalt said:
Those jobs did not come into creation due to the bailouts though. They came about due to increased demand for the products they provide, nothing else.

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If the bailouts didn't happen, Chrysler and GM would no longer exist today.

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The White House says the data to back this claim concerning the Big Three automakers is not public information. The official Bureau of Labor Statistics data refers to the entire auto industry — including foreign auto manufacturers, auto parts manufacturers, auto parts dealers and auto dealers. If you look at the data, the 113,200 jobs added between June 2009 and May 2011 amounts to about a 5 percent increase — from a rather low base.

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so as we can see, the bulk of the hiring is outside of the country, and this means obama created how many jobs? how many american jobs were created?

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The Bureau of Labor Statistics only tracks American jobs.  The 113,200 jobs created were American workers, regardless of parent company.

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Prisoner#1 said:
so the tax payer should be forced to foot the bill for products they have no faith in

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If you followed the discussion, you'd realize that the American taxpayer got their money back.  That beats paying unemployment for $1.4 million people in my mind. 

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PileusSonofGalt said:
US news gets those ratings from that university in China, the link at the bottom of the page you linked to on Wikipedia clearly stated that they are responsible for those ratings. I was not sure who it was, it was not directed at you per se, just to anyone whom thinks it is a good idea. Some of your ideals appear to fall in line with socialist beliefs, thats all.

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Icelander said:
I can hear that but one problem is giving back to the community is risky cause many don't deserve our help.

Let's say some guy is pan handling on the corner.  You got plenty and it's not problem to spare him a buck or two and you get to feel good for helping the down and out. Problem is he beats his dog and his wife and he's a thief and quit his job because he didn't like anyone telling him his work quality was poor.

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and probably spends all the money on beer or crack anyway. I always do give a bum a dollar or two, if I have it. I know what they are buying, I guess if it was me on the streets, that crack would help me through the night?

at least that is what goes through my head while I'm giving them a dollar

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Prisoner#1 said:

know why so many companies have gone under, too many billions in labor
being pissed away, it becomes a matter of lay them off or close up shop,
wasnt Obama promising the unemployment rate wouldnt rise above 8% when he
hopped of the campaign trail to vote for a stimulus package that would
provide shovel ready jobs, and what of the other two stimulus packages
that were supposed to put americans back to work, just like the auto
industry bail outs that were supposed to keep the doors of the auto plants
in the US opened and keep those jobs here


maybe you need to lay this spiel on the commander in chief and not meams' mom




so other than getting a bailout, how will we get that $20mil

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too many billions in labor? LOL I'm suuuure that's where all that money went. shovel ready projects. all those minimum wagers doing the hard work, being lazy, bankrupting the country.

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meams said:
The wealth redistribution i was referring to obviously wasn't mine - it was my parents.  I think we were talking about the death tax in here, no?  Maybe taht was the other thread

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I did not say OSI let me work for free, I met my current GM at a privatley owned restaurant that went belly up. I got my first DUI when I was 19, second when I was 20, third when I was 22. I happen to meet a woman who had set up a scholarship fund for people that needed help, we quickly became friends and she paid for the majority of my schooling. I owe her more than you can imagine and work for her whenever possible to pay her back for what she did for me.  When I filed my taxes this year I had made $36,800 and change, that is why I wait tables instead of doing something else right now. I do not know of any other job that I can earn that kind of money and still have been able to go to school. As far as the medication goes yes, it is because of the feds that it costs so much. Look up the history on fluvoxamine, maybe you remember Columbine? Because of one of those kids being on it the FDA yanked it form the market and said it was unsafe. AFter getting it reapproved the price has more than doubled. But I am lying about that as well, Columbine did not really happen. And you are almost right about the russian roullete, ever hear of Topomax? Chantix? Phen-Phen? Avadia? Vioxx? All approved for use by the FDA, later found to KILL people, but hey they had been approved. Maybe you should look into both the FDA system for approval and hypomainc bipolar. You might learn something. Like that if you have a drug and do 1000 stuidies on it and 999 of them say that 99% of the peole who take it die, and the 1 study says that everyone who takes it is healthier that they can use just that study to get approval. Also that people with hypomania are often much more productive than normal folks without any mental health problems.

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so can you show me where ford put on 100,000 people in their US plants? or maybe where hundreds of dealerships opened back up to sell the chevy volt

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ShroomyJohn said:
If your parents are rich enough to be affected by the estate tax, that means you would have more than $10,000,000 coming to you when they die.  Do you have that much coming to you?

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Under current law, the is temporarily set at the rate of 35 percent with an exemption of $5 million. On January 1, 2013 the estate tax is set to return at a top marginal rate of 55 percent (with an additional 5% surtax for certain estates) on all assets above a $1 million exemption amount.[2]

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meams said:
Wow you're dumb.  You realize typically one parent dies first, right?  So mom dies, dad assumes full value of the family wealth.  Dad dies, any assets over $1,000,000 get taxed at 55%.


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ShroomyJohn said:
But only someone with no knowledge of estate planning would leave all the wealth to your father.

We're still not getting to the real problem, you keep thinking you're any sort of wealthy, and keep buying into the hype that you keep getting spoon fed by whoever is feeding you, and continue your ignorant ways until your grandkids are broke as shit and our country is ruled by the aristocrats.

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