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Japan 2011 any IDEA?
    #14573097 - 06/07/11 07:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hi!
I would like you to look at the pictures and try to help me identify them.
Location: Japan
Habits: Growing in group on the ground, near pine tree
Touch: feels rigid (probably coz. too dry already)
Spore print: couldn't get much, purple to brown
Color: light beige brown, bluish when starts to dry and becomes dark brown-purple when completely dry. 
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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: ninjahunter]
    #14573100 - 06/07/11 07:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

obviously something active:awesomenod:I'm not familiar with japanese mush, but my first guess would be something like psiloybe subaerugenescens


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: ninjahunter]
    #14573119 - 06/07/11 07:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Very interesting find. Got your Geiger counter with you?


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14573135 - 06/07/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybe subaeruginascens?


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: elprawn]
    #14573144 - 06/07/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

uh.....I'm going to need a spore-print of that, for identification purposes, of course:awesomenod:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14573165 - 06/07/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

those look sick, got any fresh cap pics?

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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14573166 - 06/07/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Cool.  Please can we see bigger pictures.


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: Joie]
    #14573240 - 06/07/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fascinating find!

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Joie said:
Cool.  Please can we see bigger pictures.



This!


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: ninjahunter]
    #14575373 - 06/07/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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ninjahunter said:
Hi!
I would like you to look at the pictures and try to help me identify them.
Location: Japan
Habits: Growing in group on the ground, near pine tree
Touch: feels rigid (probably coz. too dry already)
Spore print: couldn't get much, purple to brown
Color: light beige brown, bluish when starts to dry and becomes dark brown-purple when completely dry. 
Thanx






There is a good chance you have Psilocybe argentipes, give them some water and see if they mature to give us a better idea of the macroscopic characteristics, your small image shows specimens that macroscopically look very similar to P. semilanceata but I'm sure it isn't that species due to the location, habit and habitat under what looks like a Pinus species and fruiting in clusters from soil, the colour and form of the stipe is reminiscent of many species belonging in Section Zapotecorum.

Psilocybe argentipes is a Japanese species belonging in Section Zapotecorum and is macroscopically close to P. subcaerulipes which also belongs in that section and resides in Japan.

P. argentipes has spores that are rather small (5) 6.6-7.7 (8.5) by 3.8-4.4 by 3.3-3.8 μm and subellipsoid in face and side view but sometimes slightly inequilateral in side view, the cheilocystidia are variously shaped and often irregularly branched with two to three necks, pleurocystidia are absent, this species often has a pseudorhiza or rooting stipe similar to P. zapotecorum, P. aucklandii, P. moseri and P. graveolens, it is most likely that a few other species in this section will prove to sometimes have a pseudorhiza with further study, P. aucklandii often has a long pseudorhiza but this macroscopic characteristic is not mentioned in Dr Guzmán's description I'm guessing either due to poor collection methods of the type specimens or possibly the collection lacked the pseudorhiza which is not always present, this macroscopic characteristic is not taxonomically significant unless it is always present but it is good to note it's occasional presence!

Maybe you could water these and get back to us with some more revealing images:)


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: inski]
    #14576040 - 06/07/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Wow!! This is so cool! I can't say what i think it is because i don't really have a clue. I could say P. subaeruginascens because its really the only Psilocybe i associate with Japan, but it really doesn't look like it at all. Then again, the described Ps. subaeruginascens (not he bay area ones) hasn't been found since it was collected in Java I don't think and it hasn't been found enough to really say we know much about possible morphological variations. I hope this is Ps. subaeruginascens, this find could end some of the descrepencies in the whole west coast ovoid ordeal..


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
    #14576072 - 06/07/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow!! This is so cool! I can't say what i think it is because i don't really have a clue. I could say P. subaeruginascens because its really the only Psilocybe i associate with Japan, but it really doesn't look like it at all. Then again, the described Ps. subaeruginascens (not he bay area ones) hasn't been found since it was collected in Java I don't think and it hasn't been found enough to really say we know much about possible morphological variations. I hope this is Ps. subaeruginascens, this find could end some of the descrepencies in the whole west coast ovoid ordeal..




That's what I was thinking. When you look at the macroscopic variation in some species, then you consider the habitat and time of year, I'd say that it's entirely possible.


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: elprawn]
    #14576509 - 06/07/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:wow::wow: that fist pic is FUCKING AWESOME:awesomenod::drooling::drooling:
Gotta keep posted on this thread INDEED:smile:
I really hope someone gets some spores to id under the scope:cheers:

And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE try n find MORE and get us more pics to drool over!!!!
Those look AMAZING:cheers:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: sporeRider]
    #14576522 - 06/07/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What excites me is how gregarious they are. Would love to get this species up and running over here. :smile:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: inski]
    #14576618 - 06/07/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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inski said:
There is a good chance you have Psilocybe argentipes





That is a good guess given the location within Japan, cap shape, inrolled wavy margin, and habitat under pine.


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14576627 - 06/07/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I hope the OP produces and distributes some prints. :smile:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: elprawn]
    #14576777 - 06/07/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I hope the OP produces and distributes some prints. :smile:




:bigyesnod:

nicely done. :handth:

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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: bloodworm]
    #14576792 - 06/07/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: elprawn]
    #14576987 - 06/07/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

they might be Psilocybe venenata because of the dark purple gils not sure might just be discoloration


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: jackus]
    #14577015 - 06/07/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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they might be Psilocybe venenata because of the dark purple gils not sure might just be discoloration




i was just going to suggest P veneta as well .:thumbup:
ive been waiting forever to see these.



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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: jackus]
    #14577025 - 06/07/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

They def look sooooooooooooooo sweet - like weilii crossed with liberty caps
This is something special!!!! Hopefully we get more pics and info
And itd be nice to see this thread end with a microscopic analysis and workup:awedance:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: sporeRider]
    #14577044 - 06/07/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

see i think they look very conical too. i stay with P veneta and i cant wait for microscopy!!! what an exciting find! :grin:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: jackus]
    #14577063 - 06/07/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup::evil:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: jackus]
    #14577156 - 06/07/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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they might be Psilocybe venenata because of the dark purple gils not sure might just be discoloration





That is possible too, the pictures here could match either species since they both have conical caps when young and dark purple gills.

10 seconds under the scope would be enough to tell them apart though, P. venenata has much larger spores.

I think P. argentipes is more likely due to the pine habitat.



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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: jackus]
    #14577161 - 06/07/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i aint even gunna try n guess on this one:crazy2::laugh:
Lets hope we get more pics and info:awesomenod::cheers:
Gather around fellow mushroom nerds:biggrin:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14577274 - 06/07/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

jackus said:
they might be Psilocybe venenata because of the dark purple gils not sure might just be discoloration





That is possible too, the pictures here could match either species since they both have conical caps when young and dark purple gills.

10 seconds under the scope would be enough to tell them apart though, P. venenata has much larger spores.

I think P. argentipes is more likely due to the pine habitat.






ha know what right after i posted that i noticed the pine needles and association with Pinus taeda . good call.


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14577311 - 06/07/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

whatever it is it will be interesting finding out


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: jackus]
    #14577325 - 06/07/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome find man:awedance: Looking forward to seeing some more pics:headbanger: It kinda does look like a cross between libs and weilii. I'd be willing to pay any shipping costs to see those spores under a scope:wink:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: sporeRider]
    #14577392 - 06/07/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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wiscokid said:
i aint even gunna try n guess on this one:crazy2::D
Lets hope we get more pics and info:awesomenod::cheers:
Gather around fellow mushroom nerds:biggrin:




:lol:

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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: bloodworm]
    #14578331 - 06/08/11 05:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hikageshibiretake aka. psilocybe argentipes.







:eek:
looks about right to me.

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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14578457 - 06/08/11 06:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Very interesting find. Got your Geiger counter with you?





Come on guys... this was to good to let go.


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14578462 - 06/08/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Very cool find none the less. :1upmario:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14578564 - 06/08/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: Lord Mayonnaise]
    #14578573 - 06/08/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

there is also a possibility it is Psilocybe subcaerulipes. they like pine trees too.


bloodworm where did you get those pics!!!! those are nutts!!they really resemble the op's finds!


so does anyone think there maybe radiation in the spores ?


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14578582 - 06/08/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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so does anyone think there maybe radiation in the spores ?




Probably more than average.  Its all relative to how far away the OP is from the Fukushima fallout and such.


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14578584 - 06/08/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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!they really resemble the op's finds!



I actually gasped when I saw those photos not realising they were bloodworm's.


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14578592 - 06/08/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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there is also a possibility it is Psilocybe subcaerulipes. they like pine trees too.


bloodworm where did you get those pics!!!! those are nutts!!they really resemble the op's finds!


so does anyone think there maybe radiation in the spores ?




Index of /kinoko/hikageshibiretake

i wonder what the trip is like from radioactive fungi...:justdontknow:
:wink:

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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: bloodworm]
    #14578622 - 06/08/11 07:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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i wonder what the trip is like from radioactive fungi...:justdontknow:
:wink:

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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14579117 - 06/08/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys,
Thanx for your comments. I'm afraid this time I won't be able to provide more pics except this one. Anyway, I'm going to check the place more often from now on and will post my new findings.


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: ninjahunter]
    #14579213 - 06/08/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know these species but I was curious to see if it supported the Japanese name for P. argentipes ( "Silvery Patches Of Fibrils Adorning The Stem") and it certainly does.


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: ninjahunter]
    #14579300 - 06/08/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey guys,
Thanx for your comments. I'm afraid this time I won't be able to provide more pics except this one. Anyway, I'm going to check the place more often from now on and will post my new findings.






Very nice.  Thanks for the larger photo.  Now make some spore prints!



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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: shroomgatherer]
    #14579375 - 06/08/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Damn, that almost looks like silver spray paint!


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14580138 - 06/08/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

very cool find :thumbup:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14580440 - 06/08/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Amazing!!


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: microdotty]
    #14580604 - 06/08/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the newest closer pic man:headbanger::awesomenod:
Those def resemble the pics bloodworm posted PERFECTLY:thumbup::thumbup:
Mad agentipes vibes YOUR WAY OP:mushroom2::heart:
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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: ninjahunter]
    #14581721 - 06/08/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

psylosymonreturns said:
there is also a possibility it is Psilocybe subcaerulipes. they like pine trees too.


bloodworm where did you get those pics!!!! those are nutts!!they really resemble the op's finds!


so does anyone think there maybe radiation in the spores ?




Index of /kinoko/hikageshibiretake

i wonder what the trip is like from radioactive fungi...:justdontknow:
:wink:

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peace and love
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thanks for sharing .:smile:


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Hey guys,
Thanx for your comments. I'm afraid this time I won't be able to provide more pics except this one. Anyway, I'm going to check the place more often from now on and will post my new findings.






yes you can definetly see the silver stem. :thumbup:
this is my favorite find of the year. :cheers:


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Re: Japan 2011 any IDEA? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14582544 - 06/08/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Where these from a City or a town, or from a Natural setting?


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