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OfflineFighterPilot9
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14571131 - 06/06/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.




Also interesting how the quote "DMT is bullshit" is written under your username, yet it's the very chemical responsible for not only our dreaming, but possibly the link between this life and the next.  Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic.  The reason I didn't quote your post joemolloy, is because I created this thread kindly asking for advice from those who would be willing to share it.  I don't personally see how anything in your post was any form of advice.  If you meant to be helpful, then I apologize for ignoring you.  I know that I can't actually trip without taking shrooms, I just meant that if anyone had advice on how to carry some of those positive mindsets over into sobriety, that's all.  If you believe it's not possible, then that's fine....but EVERYONE else who has kindly replied to this thread has given me very legit advice.  I think you are coming across as kind of a dick, personally.

As for not quoting bholzer, that was purely my mistake.  I thought that I did, so I apologize bholzer, because I think your post was also one of the more helpful ones! :smile:  What I meant to reply to you, bholzer, is that first of all I'm very glad you gave the advice not to trip all the time.  The last thing I want is to feel, on top of all my current problems, is "like I'm going crazy" as you said.  As for tripping by myself in the dark on 3.5 grams?  Someday I will definitely make it a point to do this.  Just not in the too near future.  I'm not sure if I'm ready for that high of a dosage yet.  Although, when I am ready for it I'm sure it will be a great experience for helping me to find my inner self and figure out how to work out my life problems.  I think I will experiment with the meditation and stuff for a while, while occasionally tripping to gauge my progress.  I will slowly up the dosage each time.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14571269 - 06/06/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Psilocybin decreases brain activity. What it might have done for you was disable the part(s) of your brain causing anxiety.

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But it didn't quite me teach me how to access it, and how to lift the veil of insecurities that inhibit me from expressing myself and experiencing this amazing level of comfort, compassion, and connecitiveness that I KNOW other people experience all the time.




That kind of experience is very rare if not unheard of for most people. Try to lift 300 lbs and you will fail, start at 20.

Look here and you will see what a common problem you have.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14571342 - 06/06/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Also interesting how the quote "DMT is bullshit" is written under your username, yet it's the very chemical responsible for not only our dreaming, but possibly the link between this life and the next.  Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic.  The reason I didn't quote your post joemolloy, is because I created this thread kindly asking for advice from those who would be willing to share it.  I don't personally see how anything in your post was any form of advice.  If you meant to be helpful, then I apologize for ignoring you.  I know that I can't actually trip without taking shrooms, I just meant that if anyone had advice on how to carry some of those positive mindsets over into sobriety, that's all.  If you believe it's not possible, then that's fine....but EVERYONE else who has kindly replied to this thread has given me very legit advice.  I think you are coming across as kind of a dick, personally.




I may be coming off as a dick, but rest assured I have legit advice and the fact that you can't see its validity suggests a disturbing blind spot in your thinking. You post a thread asking how to "get this effect to stay with me after tripping" and I am a bitter, battle-scarred veteran of such thoughts.

I've already walked your walk and perhaps your path will differ from mine, but from the looks of it your intense cognitive dissonance and obvious confirmation bias (there was no advice in my post? Ha!) seems to suggest that your path is already chosen and you'll stubbornly stick to it.

I hope you find your peace, but beware that the difference between taking these drugs in an unhealthy and a healthy way are often subtle and difficult to discern.  After a while you redefine words, emotions, goals to fit what your brain craves.  Bad becomes good, confusion becomes enlightenment, and so on.  And it'll feel fucking great.  Oh, it can be a sneaky bitch.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14571380 - 06/06/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Also interesting how the quote "DMT is bullshit" is written under your username, yet it's the very chemical responsible for not only our dreaming, but possibly the link between this life and the next.  Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic.




Oh and stop watching those silly documentaries that spotlight drug-addled Phd's who like to get fucked up and wax poetically about their favorite chemicals.  These documentaries are the Shroomery version of DARE.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14571433 - 06/06/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i can really relate to you to man, everyone has social anxieties. Some are just worse than others. Smoking a lot of weed made it worse for me like you said, when i am high i literally avoid people its fuckin weird. I also thought tripping would help, and it did in a way. I just realized fuck it you shouldn't give two shits what someone thinks about you as long as your a happy person doing the right thing, and also you just need to throw yourself out there, like get a job that requires a lot of social interaction and get practice. A lot of people say think before you act but sometimes its best to just act especially in social interactions. Your also probably pretty young like myself (twenty) its just a part of growing up, that's how i see it. But yea you shouldn't depend on a drug for help because it is just a drug that you will always come down from.
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Also interesting how the quote "DMT is bullshit" is written under your username, yet it's the very chemical responsible for not only our dreaming, but possibly the link between this life and the next.  Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic.




Oh and stop watching those silly documentaries that spotlight drug-addled Phd's who like to get fucked up and wax poetically about their favorite chemicals.  These documentaries are the Shroomery version of DARE.



I just realized how true this is myself lol i used to be all into that stuff still kinda am but not so much now that i have stopped doing a lot of psychedelics. I realized they are just like any other drug and if you're really into them you're going to be trying to justify the fact of why you do them so much with shit like that. just like an addict.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #14571494 - 06/06/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Hygrocybe]
    #14572016 - 06/06/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Hygrocybe said:
Psilocybin decreases brain activity. What it might have done for you was disable the part(s) of your brain causing anxiety.




Could be - some indication in that new fMRI study that it cuts down on hippocampus connectivity. From what they released you can say for sure it changes brain activity, and that it decreases blood flow in a couple of areas, but not that it decreases brain activity, as that would be an assumption. 

But what I found interesting and really unexpected from that study was this:

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That's because psilocybin increases the expression of genes and signalling proteins associated with nerve growth and connectivity, he says: "We think that the antidepressant effects of psilocybin may be due to a possible increase of factors that activate long-term neuroplasticity."




Mostly because it agrees exactly with my own experience regarding long term use.  Although they should be talking about psilocin throughout, not the precursor psilocybin.

And to FP9 (cause it's still your thread :lol:):

Yeah, less dope = good.  It always made me paranoid, and that's a kissing cousin to anxiety.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14572064 - 06/06/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The reason you are having insecurities and social anxieties is because you are too attached to your ego.

It sounds to me like you either need to experience ego death or undo your ego.

Let me suggest a good book for you: Take Me the Truth, Undoing the Ego by Nouk Sanchez and Tomas Vieira

It will teach you that all your thoughts about yourself are created through previous conditioning of the mind (if you know anything about psychology and conditioning.) I've only read the first 3 chapters but it's pretty good. It's not religious based.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14572313 - 06/06/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The reason you are having insecurities and social anxieties is because you are too attached to your ego.

It sounds to me like you either need to experience ego death or undo your ego.




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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14572714 - 06/07/11 02:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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FighterPilot9 said:
The reason I didn't quote your post joemolloy, is because I created this thread kindly asking for advice from those who would be willing to share it.  I don't personally see how anything in your post was any form of advice.





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joemolloy said:
Do your drugs rarely, be careful of obsessive thoughts regarding the high, and realize your discontent or misery with your life can be exacerbated by your use of these drugs.





I dunno, man, this sounds like advice to me. :shrug:

Seriously, though joemolloy may come off harsh in a lot of situations, he knows more about the adverse effects of these drugs than most of us would care to admit.  He's got a lot of good advice.  You're new around here, but I think you'll learn to appreciate what he has to say.  Speaking of which, welcome to the shroomery!

In regards to your question, I think what psychedelics have to offer is showing you who you are and prompting you to decide what it is you want to change.  That's what it's done for you, has it not?  I don't believe that these drugs have the potential to change you, but rather prompt you to change, like I said.

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the drugs won't make you change. just taking them isn't enough. in fact, taking them too much can de-motivate you to change, because it can be an easy way to feel good instead of to change, which is work.

i think of them as WD-40 of the soul. penetrates, lubricates. doesn't last long. it can give you a window of opportunity to move and change more easily than without. it can make your spiritual or emotional development work more productive. but it is itself no substitute for that work. it is an "ally" or friend. if use your friends and allies without respect, soon enough they will use you without respect, and they won't be your friends anymore. respect is finishing what's on your plate, chewing well, saying thank you before asking for seconds. and not being a pig.

if the arc of your experience is like mine, your present enthusiasm will lead you into some unpleasant learning experiences.




I really like this post.  (5 shrooms coming your way for this one :thumbup: ).  I agree that psychedelics facilitate change, but that change is your responsibility.  It's not a substitute for change by any means, but I think, like I said, that it can show you what you don't like about yourself and inspire you to change it.  A healthy respect for the substance is good practice as well, because it can have incredible effects on your mind.  It's not necessarily that mushrooms are some sort of entity or anything, just that you should respect them in the way you would respect any substance you would put in your body.  Respect them in that you are careful in your consumption and smart about the conditions under which you experience them.

Best of luck to you!  Being a pretty strong extrovert, I can't really relate to you personally, but I know people who have social anxiety (my girlfriend is one of them).  From what I understand, it's a tough thing to deal with.  My advice would be similar to joe's: moderation is the key to staying safe here.  These really are the physically safest drugs, but that's not to undermine their potential to cause psychological damage, but hey, lots of things that aren't drugs have that same potential.  I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.  Use these drugs in the same moderation as you would anything that has the potential to cause psychological harm.  I would also urge you not to mistake them as a medicine either.  This isn't a cure to your problem, but rather a lens under which to examine your personality, at least in my opinion.

Edited by Psilosomniac (06/07/11 02:51 AM)

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14573104 - 06/07/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I also have a lot of social anxieties, and find psychedelics transformative in that regard.  I feel perfect on psychedelics, even capable of looking others in the eyes.  But yes, it's a problem that it wears off once the drugs wear off.  I'm using meditation to reach those states when I'm sober (vipissana and samatha), and things are getting better, but it's a work in progress (I've managed to kick 15 years of depression thanks to psyches and meditation, and maybe I could've got there without the drugs, but they made it so much more fun).


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: mundane]
    #14573208 - 06/07/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

[On Joe] I just joined to say I find it awfully funny how Joe is so sure he has been where each of us have, without considering that some of us (me for one) may have been where he is. You know... after failing at properly using psychedelics as the tools, or bridge (to more permanent, fulfilling practices and behaviors) that they are meant to be... going on a tirade of materbatory, disgustingly presumptuous "lesson teaching" that pretends to have the intent of helpful advice, but its obvious to everyone who knows better that its all self-gratification.
[now to Joe] Many of us have been there buddy. Enjoy your emotional drug that you may very well not even be aware you are addicted to.
I honestly don't think you sound like "a dick" or harsh... you simply sound presumptuous and ignorant, with an obvious need to try and convince yourself that you have an understanding that we lack and need to teach us lol. People with addictions like yours are actually dime a dozen believe it or not.
Just because you are (according to your stories and such) a miserable failure at bringing anything useful back from psychedelics... doesn't mean everybody is. This role you play comes off as just about as ego-centric and naive as it gets. (even if you do throw in a little fluffy "your path may be different" for effect)
I think some form of your role is necessary and helpful, especially in forums like this... but you just aren't any good at it. If you were really in this to give helpful advice, you would use a little bit of strategy... maybe connect with your audience!

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14573455 - 06/07/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nateup said:
[On Joe] I just joined to say I find it awfully funny how Joe is so sure he has been where each of us have, without considering that some of us (me for one) may have been where he is. You know... after failing at properly using psychedelics as the tools, or bridge (to more permanent, fulfilling practices and behaviors) that they are meant to be... going on a tirade of materbatory, disgustingly presumptuous "lesson teaching" that pretends to have the intent of helpful advice, but its obvious to everyone who knows better that its all self-gratification.
[now to Joe] Many of us have been there buddy. Enjoy your emotional drug that you may very well not even be aware you are addicted to.
I honestly don't think you sound like "a dick" or harsh... you simply sound presumptuous and ignorant, with an obvious need to try and convince yourself that you have an understanding that we lack and need to teach us lol. People with addictions like yours are actually dime a dozen believe it or not.
Just because you are (according to your stories and such) a miserable failure at bringing anything useful back from psychedelics... doesn't mean everybody is. This role you play comes off as just about as ego-centric and naive as it gets. (even if you do throw in a little fluffy "your path may be different" for effect)
I think some form of your role is necessary and helpful, especially in forums like this... but you just aren't any good at it. If you were really in this to give helpful advice, you would use a little bit of strategy... maybe connect with your audience!




I always say that my path may be different than yours and I just give my story.  Everyone on this forum bases their advice, opinions, and posts on their interpretation of their past experiences.  I am no different.  The reason why you decided to join this website just to try to call me out is because the content of my opinion clashes with yours to some degree. 

Call me ignorant?  Ah, but if I glorified these drugs and applauded the OP for wanting to use them to transform himself, then I'd be intelligent.  See the problem with your thinking?  You're not as open-minded as you think.  In fact, you're probably deep in your maze of denial.  I take these drugs, but I don't bullshit myself.  I fucking tear myself apart with honesty as I dig at my motivations and assess the impact of these drugs in my life.  I may be ego-centric and presumptuous, but I ain't naive and if that's your assessment, you are the one who needs to grow up.

You have a very insightful comment by saying that addictions like mine are a dime a dozen.  Too many people who take psychedelics do not appreciate that observation.  We tend to think that these drugs are not habit forming, do not lead to compulsive drug-seeking behavior, and obsessive drug-oriented thoughts.  I'm sorry if the fact that I highlight this aspect of these drugs somehow bothers you.  Gee, I wonder why it bothers you so?


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14573464 - 06/07/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nateup said:
[On Joe] I just joined to say I find it awfully funny how Joe is so sure he has been where each of us have, without considering that some of us (me for one) may have been where he is. You know... after failing at properly using psychedelics as the tools, or bridge (to more permanent, fulfilling practices and behaviors) that they are meant to be... going on a tirade of materbatory, disgustingly presumptuous "lesson teaching" that pretends to have the intent of helpful advice, but its obvious to everyone who knows better that its all self-gratification.
[now to Joe] Many of us have been there buddy. Enjoy your emotional drug that you may very well not even be aware you are addicted to.
I honestly don't think you sound like "a dick" or harsh... you simply sound presumptuous and ignorant, with an obvious need to try and convince yourself that you have an understanding that we lack and need to teach us lol. People with addictions like yours are actually dime a dozen believe it or not.
Just because you are (according to your stories and such) a miserable failure at bringing anything useful back from psychedelics... doesn't mean everybody is. This role you play comes off as just about as ego-centric and naive as it gets. (even if you do throw in a little fluffy "your path may be different" for effect)
I think some form of your role is necessary and helpful, especially in forums like this... but you just aren't any good at it. If you were really in this to give helpful advice, you would use a little bit of strategy... maybe connect with your audience!



Think about it though, a lot of people here are presumptuous and try to convince themselves that they have the understanding that others lack. They are just on the other end of the spectrum. They still go on "lesson teaching" about these drugs. That's what this site is for, so that experienced users may help others that aren't so experienced. This is why joe's insight is just as important as others. Newer and inexperienced users need to know that there are in fact dangers. If somebody were talking about their understanding of the drugs as a good thing, people wouldn't react like they do to joe. He is a lot like others on the site, he just speaks to the negative end of the experience. People don't like joe because he tells them what they don't want to hear.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14573589 - 06/07/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, there's "lesson teaching" and there's being didactic.  I'm for sharing experience and leaving the dogmas to organized religion.  I don't know other people well enough to be able to tell them what will or will not work for them; I just know what seems to work for me.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: mundane]
    #14573684 - 06/07/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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mundane said:
Well, there's "lesson teaching" and there's being didactic.  I'm for sharing experience and leaving the dogmas to organized religion.  I don't know other people well enough to be able to tell them what will or will not work for them; I just know what seems to work for me.



I agree completely. Leave them with your knowledge and let them make their own decisions and opinions. Give them information and let them learn!


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14573895 - 06/07/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's right and the speaker of the message may blast his megaphone in your face or whisper in your ear while tickling your balls, but at the end of the day its the information communicated that matters and the method and tone of that communication should not be the basis of your criticism or support.

Translation:  Even dickheads can make powerful points, striking insights, and incisive, accurate commentary all balled up in an ugly opinion.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14573953 - 06/07/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nateup said:
[On Joe] I just joined to say I find it awfully funny how Joe is so sure he has been where each of us have, without considering that some of us (me for one) may have been where he is. You know... after failing at properly using psychedelics as the tools, or bridge (to more permanent, fulfilling practices and behaviors) that they are meant to be... going on a tirade of materbatory, disgustingly presumptuous "lesson teaching" that pretends to have the intent of helpful advice, but its obvious to everyone who knows better that its all self-gratification.
[now to Joe] Many of us have been there buddy. Enjoy your emotional drug that you may very well not even be aware you are addicted to.
I honestly don't think you sound like "a dick" or harsh... you simply sound presumptuous and ignorant, with an obvious need to try and convince yourself that you have an understanding that we lack and need to teach us lol. People with addictions like yours are actually dime a dozen believe it or not.
Just because you are (according to your stories and such) a miserable failure at bringing anything useful back from psychedelics... doesn't mean everybody is. This role you play comes off as just about as ego-centric and naive as it gets. (even if you do throw in a little fluffy "your path may be different" for effect)
I think some form of your role is necessary and helpful, especially in forums like this... but you just aren't any good at it. If you were really in this to give helpful advice, you would use a little bit of strategy... maybe connect with your audience!




I always say that my path may be different than yours and I just give my story.  Everyone on this forum bases their advice, opinions, and posts on their interpretation of their past experiences.  I am no different.  The reason why you decided to join this website just to try to call me out is because the content of my opinion clashes with yours to some degree. 

Call me ignorant?  Ah, but if I glorified these drugs and applauded the OP for wanting to use them to transform himself, then I'd be intelligent.  See the problem with your thinking?  You're not as open-minded as you think.  In fact, you're probably deep in your maze of denial.  I take these drugs, but I don't bullshit myself.  I fucking tear myself apart with honesty as I dig at my motivations and assess the impact of these drugs in my life.  I may be ego-centric and presumptuous, but I ain't naive and if that's your assessment, you are the one who needs to grow up.

You have a very insightful comment by saying that addictions like mine are a dime a dozen.  Too many people who take psychedelics do not appreciate that observation.  We tend to think that these drugs are not habit forming, do not lead to compulsive drug-seeking behavior, and obsessive drug-oriented thoughts.  I'm sorry if the fact that I highlight this aspect of these drugs somehow bothers you.  Gee, I wonder why it bothers you so?




Dude, you are only regurgitating the same rhetoric you do in every post. You are trying to merge me with anyone else who disagrees with your dialog or intent as one type of person - the person you used to be (based on your story). I made it pretty clear that my problem is not with a potentially useful role of a devils advocate (which you could very easily be), but your masterbatory "I have been there and I know what you will do" tone and style. The truth is, you have only been where YOU have been. That is what YOU seem to not understand.
I am under no illusions of how serious and potentially habit forming these substances can be (psychologically is damn serious). I have great in-depth discussions on how tricky this whole thing is with others in similar situations for no other reason than to get better at keeping things on track. Psychedelics are NOT all colors and joy - and they are not a means to an end. (I bet many of the people you write off would actually agree with that). It can get very merky and I really have to watch myself to make sure I don't tip the scale too much that other direction.
The bottom line is, for me personally, this struggle is very well worth it. I have unquestionably gained quantified medical benefits from these chemicals over the past year, the prospect of which was the only reason I stepped back into this jungle again (after more than 10 years cessation). I am not going to take the time to post all of my findings right now, because honestly I don't feel the need to prove it to you. To people like me who practice great introspective honesty (its an absolute necessity with this kind of treatment) and have absolutely no question at all of the validity of our benefits from these experiences (no matter how tricky it can get)... your "Ive been in your shoes" (although you most certainly have not) is really sadly... yes NAIVE... and yes IGNORANT - that is exactly what ego-centricism (when you think our experiences are just what you have been through) is. You seem somewhat articulate... which hints at the possibility of intelligence... ever consider that you may be experiencing some of this denial that you have a hair-trigger to shoot at everyone else? Maybe about what you gain from these self-gratifying "lessons" emotionally? (nothing wrong with enjoying sharing knowledge, but it can be done in humble... ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE means) Could this be a need you have to justify and strengthen your faith in the "hedonist" psychedelic experience? (everybody has been in a situation where they are losing control, so they give up and run head first into the darkness, like fuck it)
Ever consider that tracking benefits gained from the psychedelic experience and viewing it with some meaning is just another type of PLEASURE SEEKING? Ever consider that you just might gain benefits from pleasure seeking? Do people seek anything but pleasure in actuality? Different methods for different people - who are you to say their taste is not real just because you changed yours?
The reason it "bothers [me] so" is because, as I said in the first message, the role of a devil's advocate is valuabel in merky waters like these. I actually often play that role, so I find your obnoxious, condescending, presumptuous methods insulting and counterproductive to our mission.
It has nothing to do with your content clashing with my opinions [on psychedelic usage for potential benefits]. The simple act of you assuming that of me throughout your whole post, while actually having no idea is exactly what I am talking about. How is that helpful? You completely discredit yourself with your assuming. Its really tragic - you could be making positive use of what you have learned by simply considering your audience to be individuals, instead of a past shell of your self... but you are too busy assuming. As I have said, your whole style just comes off ego-centric, unaware... but most of all - damaged.

If you really think that there are no benefits that anybody can gain... simply because you didnt... wow.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14573987 - 06/07/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

also, when I was saying "your addiction" I was not referring to an addiction to psychedelics like you seemed to think.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14574003 - 06/07/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
You have a very insightful comment by saying that addictions like mine are a dime a dozen.  Too many people who take psychedelics do not appreciate that observation.  We tend to think that these drugs are not habit forming, do not lead to compulsive drug-seeking behavior, and obsessive drug-oriented thoughts.  I'm sorry if the fact that I highlight this aspect of these drugs somehow bothers you.  Gee, I wonder why it bothers you so?



Your baiting rhetoric aside, I will grant you that even though my use is infrequent (3-4x/yr), and has helped me make many ongoing positive changes, I do wonder sometimes what it means that, for instance, I have checked Shroomery forums almost daily, if not multiple times daily, for 5 years. Obsessive?

I can think of no other activity that I think about so much in relation to the smallness of the time I actually do it. Sure, I think about food more, but then I eat multiple times daily. Sex? I probably think about mushrooms more, and I haven't slept alone in 25 years for more than a week or 2 at a time.

When I'm feeling good, I plot my feelings mentally on a chart orienting them to my last shroom session, and when bad, to my next, whether that will be days or months away. I don't find this to be a problem, per se, but it's not entirely consistent with claims we've both seen about ... scratch that. I've never heard anybody claim (credibly) that this isn't powerful stuff. I have mycelium on the brain, for sure, and I love every freaking second of it, sober and not. Colonize me baby!

I've said elsewhere that my only regret is not being able to share more widely with people close to me, who aren't into it, or who have prejudices that would be socially damaging. When you take psychedelics, it's almost like you're signing up to be consumed by a fetish, like some kind of taboo sexual kink, that may be harmless in itself, but whose social repercussions, and their possibly limiting effect on your development as a person, may be regrettable.

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