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Orgasms...
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Just goes to show how our actions, thoughts and emotions rely entirely on our chemical balances. Is there an "I", or is the cluster of matter that has been arranged as a whole what is considered to be me? I thought about this while scoring some with 5 finger Sally.
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mushiefeet
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I'll call my girlfriend up for this one haha. have to love women.
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The shroomy 1
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"I' is definitely different than "Me" "I" is the "self" which transcends the physical "Me". "Me" occurs only in language and whatever "Meaning" I have given it.
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The shroomy 1 said: "I' is definitely different than "Me" "I" is the "self" which transcends the physical "Me". "Me" occurs only in language and whatever "Meaning" I have given it.
Bullshit, what evidence do you have for something other than the physical?
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Re: Orgasms... [Re: 4896744]
#14573518 - 06/07/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can't get away with that crap in this forum.
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Ramana and all this bullshit god worship spirituality make a shambles of what "Find out who you really are" means. It's not "out there". It's a series of disillusionments about there being anything "out there".
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4896744
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Icelander said:

Can't get away with that crap in this forum.
I know, first that bullshit "bahkti christianity" thread and then this. What is this place coming to?!
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Re: Orgasms... [Re: 4896744]
#14574045 - 06/07/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The me (cluster of matter and chemicals) is what allows the "I" or the "self" to exist. Cognition relies on the physiological/chemical processes that allow the "self" to exist. I wouldn't say the physical body and the "self" are mutually exclusive. I also wouldn't say that the "self" is some sort of supernatural spirit; however just an extension of our physicality. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Orgasms... [Re: Azrah]
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Are you saying that the "self" is an emergent property of brain function but in and of itself not physical?
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Azrah
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Exactly Icelander .
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Re: Orgasms... [Re: Azrah]
#14575127 - 06/07/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree.
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Re: Orgasms... [Re: Azrah]
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Azrah said: The me (cluster of matter and chemicals) is what allows the "I" or the "self" to exist. Cognition relies on the physiological/chemical processes that allow the "self" to exist. I wouldn't say the physical body and the "self" are mutually exclusive. I also wouldn't say that the "self" is some sort of supernatural spirit; however just an extension of our physicality. Just my 2 cents.
That's exactly where this conversation needs to go.
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Icelander said: I agree.
What makes you think the "self" isn't physical?
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Re: Orgasms... [Re: 4896744]
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The self is an idea. IMO there is no "self" outside of a group of cells, bacteria, etc. The personality is what we usually call the self and that is an emergent property of brain function as far as I can tell.
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Re: Orgasms... [Re: 4896744]
#14576613 - 06/07/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The shroomy 1 said: "I' is definitely different than "Me" "I" is the "self" which transcends the physical "Me". "Me" occurs only in language and whatever "Meaning" I have given it.
Bullshit, what evidence do you have for something other than the physical?
The physical is the ONLY thing that is "Real". What I am trying to say here is that "Reality" gets translated or interpreted on three different level. "Personal, Interim, and then there is the "Ultimate" test of reality. The personal tests are based on personal experience and will support our view of what is "real" only to a certain point. The "Interim tests" that we have for reality gives us what we hold to be "real" for a period of time. These are reinforced as "Group beliefs, Consensus", They are testable, repeatable,"Proven" and probably 'Plausible". Let's not forget that there was a time that WHAT WAS REAL was that the earth was flat. Oh yes.... Ask every great thinker/ scientist of that time and THAT WAS REALITY! Bottom line is that with that type of "Test for reality" there is an AGREEMENT BY A GROUP. The 'ultimate test for "REALITY" is in it's physicalness. It has to have the capacity to be measured. It encompasses distance, time, and form. THAT IS REALITY.
Now, with that being said, ask yourself... "WHO YOU ARE THAT YOU ARE" IS......? The only thing that you can do to the Physical is "Change it". That in itself is a limit. If you choose to place "limits" on yourself, that's your shit. Not mine.
If you choose to "Change" who you are, there is no possibility of "being". That is where The "I" or "Self" is distinct from the Physical. Yes, you are "bound" by the physical body/entity that you are, but that doesn't necessarily make you "who you are BEING". Once you get past that, then you can literally "CREATE" who you are!
@Icelander. You are pretty close and are definitely on to something, but you are being held back . I'm not making you wrong! There is a "breakthrough" in this for you.
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Icelander said: The self is an idea. IMO there is no "self" outside of a group of cells, bacteria, etc. The personality is what we usually call the self and that is an emergent property of brain function as far as I can tell.
So are you suggesting ideas are not physical? I guess I agree that the "self" is an emergent property according to the way humans categorize things, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that it isn't physical.
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Re: Orgasms... [Re: 4896744]
#14576655 - 06/07/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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iThink said:
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The shroomy 1 said: "I' is definitely different than "Me" "I" is the "self" which transcends the physical "Me". "Me" occurs only in language and whatever "Meaning" I have given it.
Bullshit, what evidence do you have for something other than the physical?
The physical is the ONLY thing that is "Real". What I am trying to say here is that "Reality" gets translated or interpreted on three different level. "Personal, Interim, and then there is the "Ultimate" test of reality. The personal tests are based on personal experience and will support our view of what is "real" only to a certain point. The "Interim tests" that we have for reality gives us what we hold to be "real" for a period of time. These are reinforced as "Group beliefs, Consensus", They are testable, repeatable,"Proven" and probably 'Plausible". Let's not forget that there was a time that WHAT WAS REAL was that the earth was flat. Oh yes.... Ask every great thinker/ scientist of that time and THAT WAS REALITY! Bottom line is that with that type of "Test for reality" there is an AGREEMENT BY A GROUP. The 'ultimate test for "REALITY" is in it's physicalness. It has to have the capacity to be measured. It encompasses distance, time, and form. THAT IS REALITY.
Now, with that being said, ask yourself... "WHO YOU ARE THAT YOU ARE" IS......? The only thing that you can do to the Physical is "Change it". That in itself is a limit. If you choose to place "limits" on yourself, that's your shit. Not mine.
If you choose to "Change" who you are, there is no possibility of "being". That is where The "I" or "Self" is distinct from the Physical. Yes, you are "bound" by the physical body/entity that you are, but that doesn't necessarily make you "who you are BEING". Once you get past that, then you can literally "CREATE" who you are!
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how do you jump from busting a nut to the existence of absolute reality?>
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The shroomy 1
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Icelander said:

Can't get away with that crap in this forum.
So much to learn!
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