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Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress
#14570978 - 06/06/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Got some panaeolus cyanescens, here. Cool looking species. These blobs are a little strange. The spawn was mixed together with the substrate, no layering, no frosting layers, no top layer of substrate, nothing. Exposed grains, and all.
It hasn't been cased, yet, either. It was spawned 2.5 days before the picture was taken. 1:1 ratio of rye berries to composted cow manure and verm (50/50), about 1.5" deep. In a 20 gallon tub. It's in a clear bin, so the progress of colonization can be seen. It looks to be about 80% through the substrate on all sides of the bin. Advice?
6/6 -- Pics Uncased, Cased Same Day



6/10 -- Cased Since 6/6 Top Tub -- higher FAE

Bottom Tub -- lower FAE

6/15/11 -- Fruits! Bottom Tub

6/16/11 -- Top Tub. A little slower, but nice pinset

Edited by CaptainAhab (06/17/11 02:07 AM)
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14571206 - 06/06/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol the last pic is awesome
just wait until its done and case it .
its looks great man
gonna follow this one.
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14571257 - 06/06/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It looks good,what advice are you looking for?the only thing I would of done different and its just my opinion is I would of cased it before now
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: steelmonkey]
#14571317 - 06/06/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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steelmonkey said: It looks good,what advice are you looking for?the only thing I would of done different and its just my opinion is I would of cased it before now
The blobbiness of it looks like some type of overlay, to me. I've only grown cubes, so I dunno. Curious if anyone knows if its overlay. At 2.5 days, it seems hard to believe that it would be. But then again, who knows. Don't want to ruin the whole enchilada
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14571328 - 06/06/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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At 2.5 days, it seems hard to believe that it would be
i agree
the myc is just different
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14571382 - 06/06/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pan myc is different its more"fuzzy",whispy its also more delicate than cube myc and needs a lot of fresh air
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: steelmonkey]
#14571396 - 06/06/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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yup
what pan variety do you have there?
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14571552 - 06/06/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks el Shamoku. These are cyans. Tomorrow, will probably case them. Since that stuff isnt overlay, I'll let the tub fill in to 100 percent before casing.
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14571642 - 06/06/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: 2jew4u]
#14571779 - 06/06/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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overlay occurs on casing layers like peatmoss
doesnt really happen on manure.
besides overlay is dead mycelium....
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: k00laid]
#14571925 - 06/06/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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nice approach.
with that colonization speed your casing layer will be white in no time.
what does your casing material consist of?
after applying the casing i wouldnt wait to fruit.
how much holes does your tub have?
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higgledy-piggledy said: nice approach.
with that colonization speed your casing layer will be white in no time.
what does your casing material consist of?
after applying the casing i wouldnt wait to fruit.
how much holes does your tub have?
Casing: Casing will be a 50/50 of vermiculite and sphagnum peat moss, with added calcium carbonate to balance the pH.
Holes: It's a walmart special tub, 20 gallon or so, latching handle-lid. It's your run of the mill monotub. 2 2" holes on both sides, 1 1" hole on both ends. Polyfill stuff.
If this works out, hopefully it will convince people to grow more pans. RIDICULOUSLY easy. The worst part about it was dealing with the cow manure.
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14572334 - 06/06/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pics look great brother, I'll be interested to watch this one turn out! Good Vibes and good luck, keep us posted on your progress!
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14572380 - 06/07/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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CaptainAhab said:
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higgledy-piggledy said: nice approach.
with that colonization speed your casing layer will be white in no time.
what does your casing material consist of?
after applying the casing i wouldnt wait to fruit.
how much holes does your tub have?
Casing: Casing will be a 50/50 of vermiculite and sphagnum peat moss, with added calcium carbonate to balance the pH.
Holes: It's a walmart special tub, 20 gallon or so, latching handle-lid. It's your run of the mill monotub. 2 2" holes on both sides, 1 1" hole on both ends. Polyfill stuff.
If this works out, hopefully it will convince people to grow more pans. RIDICULOUSLY easy. The worst part about it was dealing with the cow manure.
You are on course Captain.
That is the casing soil to use. Pans like a very thin casing layer, from all reports. (I got fruits once, but lost the tub immediately afterward, so I feel like I am still getting the grip of these)
Good luck!
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: Javadog]
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Re: Pan Monotub Pics + Question re: Overlay [Re: lostinbq]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14572885 - 06/07/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im interested in your results ! I wish ya the best success. I just have my first pan cakes colonizing and cant wait to see how that can fruit.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: mill]
#14573419 - 06/07/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well you got me convinced- When you get prints, would like one Please-
Can send you some POO lol-
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14592296 - 06/10/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14592555 - 06/10/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soon....hoo hoo!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Javadog] 1
#14592662 - 06/10/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sweet- are you fanning or no? Just curious
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: 2jew4u]
#14592682 - 06/10/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can't wait to see fruits!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: 2jew4u]
#14593131 - 06/10/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Javadog said: Soon....hoo hoo!
Soon indeed!
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2jew4u said: Sweet- are you fanning or no? Just curious
I've been experimenting with FAE since I think that's the most important question we have about pans, especially in a monotub style setup.
I have the tubs stacked one on top of the other, and the with the tub on top, the polyfill is loose enough so that all the condensation in the tub evaporates within a day with no misting. I mist this top tub 2 times per day.
On the bottom tub, the FAE is lower. It's what I'd call your "normal" monotub setup, where the condensation on the sides of the tub does not evaporate within a day when unmisted.
I really want to find out how the fruits look with this setup, so as to narrow down the FAE issue with pans in monotubs to one being better than the other.
Blue Helix recently experimented with FAE and pans and came up with some interesting results. You can see them here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14512104 I'm thinking that I might have similar results, but you never know.
In the end, I'd like to tie all of this together and be able to recommend a specific tub and fruiting style for this species, based on my experience.
I would like to see more people working with pans, and especially since monotubs are so easy, maybe people won't be put off by the level of work and detail they've been accustomed to hearing about them.
It should only be a few days to a week before pins show up. I'll update the thread then, or before, if the casing gets more eaten up by the mycelium and I have to patch it, which I'd rather not do.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14593138 - 06/10/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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cant wait to see pics
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: LayinUp]
#14596712 - 06/11/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Keep us updated, great new picks! Good vibes brother 
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: don_vedo]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: BillyMaysHere]
#14598923 - 06/12/11 12:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I posted another thread on patching the grown through spots on tub #2 (bottom, less FAE tub). You can see from the pics below that it's really coming through the casing layer. In that thread, some very knowledgeable members said that it's doing fine, and that I shouldn't patch (or mist the casing, unless it's bone dry).
Here's that thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14597679
6/10

6/11 morning

6/11 evening

As long as you guys are tuning in, here's a little freak show:
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Luger0815]
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I'm keeping my eye on this thread
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14599459 - 06/12/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't patch either, I'm pretty convinced the function of the white fuzzy growth is gas exchange. Pans demand good air exchange, as for misting I'm not convinced its necessary but, keep the substrate hydrated. #1 cause of pin aborting and stalling is dehydration of the substrate in my experience.
It all looks very good.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: ManicMongrel]
#14620771 - 06/16/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Update 6/15/11 Fruits in the bottom tub!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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very fucking nice man...keep it up..
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: basara011]
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awesome! i am going to be doing some pan cambo's next week
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: semaphore]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: just me]
#14621463 - 06/16/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hell yeas- skeet skeet 
What no :winboat: for the Captn? Arrh
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: 2jew4u]
#14621483 - 06/16/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm so looking forward to the results! Nice work man! Congratulations!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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CaptainAhab said: Update 6/15/11 Fruits in the bottom tub!

Outstanding!
I wonder what it is that causes early pinning...anything besides genetics?
Well, you have prints. This is great!
Take care,
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Javadog]
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Awesome brother, great work keep us updated on further results!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Javadog]
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Javadog said:
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CaptainAhab said: Update 6/15/11 Fruits in the bottom tub!

Outstanding!
I wonder what it is that causes early pinning...anything besides genetics?
Well, you have prints. This is great!
Take care,
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could it be due to it just fruiting in a monotub?
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: just me]
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sweet pics i like the freak show too
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: chal420]
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Lookin Good!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: scatmanrav]
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Update 6/16/11 Here's the top, high FAE tub
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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man thats a beauty
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: eLShaMukO]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Sillicybin]
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Great job captin keep it up, and keep us posted!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: don_vedo]
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awesome cant wait to see some muter ones
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: chal420]
#14629984 - 06/17/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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awesome pics !
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: xaretnapx]
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Thanks for all the replies, everyone.
The tubs are just finishing up, but in the meantime, I'm doing a print giveaway. Everyone in this thread gets one, by the way. Still, see the marketplace thread below, and post in there. Thanks!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14634970
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14635090 - 06/18/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lookin' good! I'm gonna try to grow them next. What did you find was the most difficult thing compared to cubes.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Psilocyentist]
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Psilocyentist said: Lookin' good! I'm gonna try to grow them next. What did you find was the most difficult thing compared to cubes.
They were as easy as cubes. The only thing I didn't like was dealing with the manure. The kind that I used, a store-brand composted cow manure from Lowe's, stank. Good results, but still. Hoffman's brand manure, on the other hand, doesn't have that smell, and worked great in my mini-tubs http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14576636
Overall, they're just as easy as cubes.
inoculate spawn
Wait
Add to pasteurized manure/vermiculite in a monotub
Let it sit there until colonized
Case it with 50/50 peat moss and vermiculite
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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The tubs are just finishing up, but in the meantime, I'm doing a print giveaway. Everyone in this thread gets one, by the way. Still, see the marketplace thread below, and post in there. Thanks!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14634970
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: just me]
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CaptainAhab said: Thanks for all the replies, everyone.
The tubs are just finishing up, but in the meantime, I'm doing a print giveaway. Everyone in this thread gets one, by the way. Still, see the marketplace thread below, and post in there. Thanks!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14634970
fo REALZ???????
Yeah, I've got more than 30, so it'll work. I want to make sure people see the marketplace thread, though, because there has been a breakthrough in psilocybin research, and I'd like more people to know about that.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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sweet thread!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: just me]
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Yeah man, nice grow. I've never seen a pan monotub before, looks good!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14635394 - 06/18/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do have to add (if only to cover my own difficulties ;0) that Pan mycelium seems a tad more fragile than cube to me.
For example, Pans can stall when shaken.
The Captain is just getting good at this stuff. :0)
It demands poo and thin casing layers too, but these are not a problem. ...it just makes them seem more finicky.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Javadog]
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For example, Pans can stall when shaken.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Javadog]
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For example, Pans can stall when shaken.
this has never happen to me,from my experience all species benefit from shaking .
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14635509 - 06/18/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, it did happen to me.
The trouble is that I may have had weak spawn to begin with. It is hard to be certain. I was just getting going, and should have put off Pans at that time.
Good luck,
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Javadog]
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Javadog said: Well, it did happen to me.
The trouble is that I may have had weak spawn to begin with. It is hard to be certain. I was just getting going, and should have put off Pans at that time.
Good luck,
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You're right, and weak spawn makes it even more likely. I had 2 out of 10 quarts of shaken Panaeolus cyanescens not completely recover, but 6 out of 10 quarts of Panaeolus suphanburi/cambodginiensis die after shaking, with the other 4 not completely recovering.
The suphanburi/cambo's were from old prints, though, and grew very slow and weak on agar, and similarly slow and weak on the spawn. The pan cyans, though, were very aggressive on agar and rye, and from new prints.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14635563 - 06/18/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: drwatson]
#14635669 - 06/18/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awesome job Captin, great grow brother!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Javadog]
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Javadog said: Well, it did happen to me.
The trouble is that I may have had weak spawn to begin with. It is hard to be certain. I was just getting going, and should have put off Pans at that time.
Good luck,
JD
the only thing that i have noticed about shaking pans is that you have to get the moisture content perfect by perfect i mean as best as you can for this kind of mycelium cubes are more forgiving ,pans a little to wet or to dry and its slow thing down and it looks like it has stalled bacteria could be the other problem i guess
sandose left, goliath right
one is less wispy that the other 4 days after shaking , spres from a 8 month old print
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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Javadog said: Well, it did happen to me.
The trouble is that I may have had weak spawn to begin with. It is hard to be certain. I was just getting going, and should have put off Pans at that time.
Good luck,
JD
You're right, and weak spawn makes it even more likely. I had 2 out of 10 quarts of shaken Panaeolus cyanescens not completely recover, but 6 out of 10 quarts of Panaeolus suphanburi/cambodginiensis die after shaking, with the other 4 not completely recovering.
The suphanburi/cambo's were from old prints, though, and grew very slow and weak on agar, and similarly slow and weak on the spawn. The pan cyans, though, were very aggressive on agar and rye, and from new prints.
Cool. It sounds like you have some good genes there!
Onward and upward,
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: eLShaMukO]
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Javadog said: Well, it did happen to me.
The trouble is that I may have had weak spawn to begin with. It is hard to be certain. I was just getting going, and should have put off Pans at that time.
Good luck,
JD
the only thing that i have noticed about shaking pans is that you have to get the moisture content perfect by perfect i mean as best as you can for this kind of mycelium cubes are more forgiving ,pans a little to wet or to dry and its slow thing down and it looks like it has stalled bacteria could be the other problem i guess
sandose left, goliath right
one is less wispy that the other 4 days after shaking , spres from a 8 month old print
I haven't used WBS, but with grain, the moisture was definitely an issue. The "wetter" jars didn't colonize as well, or so it seemed. Also, it's good to put some time into getting a method down for drying your rye berries. I found that, after having some non-growth due to excess moisture, that by being creative (shaking the boiled rye berries in a giant pot [the pressure cooker with no lid on] to get as much steam off as possible) I could get better results. This is above and beyond just using a colander.
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Onward and upward,
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Thanks man! They are good genes for sure. Original print came from Stonesun, so who knows what its history is, but it's probably good.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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im using red millet right now , its a very small grains pans like it got some quarts to jars of both sandose and goliath both were shaken and are doing fine.
gonna try a monotub soon thanks to the captain
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14635956 - 06/18/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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eLShaMukO said: im using red millet right now , its a very small grains pans like it got some quarts to jars of both sandose and goliath both were shaken and are doing fine.
gonna try a monotub soon thanks to the captain
Awesome! Monotubs are so easy.
What I want to try next is doing more depth with a monotub of panaeolus. There is a myth about pans not liking deeper substrates (>1.5"-2"), but this isn't true. The depth should actually be based on surface area. I don't like parroting RR, but in a thread on the subject of Panaeolus substrate depth, RR said that he originally said the 1.5"-2" depth recommendation because people usually grow pans in smaller-surface area trays, and not larger bins and tubs. Accordingly, in a larger bin or tub, you would use deeper depths more akin to traditional cubensis monotubs, at 3"-4".
I actually tried to do a 3.5" depth tub that you guys didn't see photos of, and this was done with the quarts of suphanburi/goliath that I mentioned above (the ones not looking fully recovered from the shaking). Needless to say, this tub didn't take off. Neither did a mini-tub with different manure and similarly weak mycelium from another species (cambodginiensis).
Live and learn. I think that I'll be taking some time off from growing now that I've been able to have some fun. Believe it or not, I actually throw out a lot of the fruits. I trip maybe once or twice a year, and don't sell them, or have any friends that I know that use them. Hahaha.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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everyone in the thread? count me!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: shubrick]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: chal420]
#14636510 - 06/19/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the read guys 
Just noced' up my first LC of pans and got a GLC going as well.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: shubrick]
#14637170 - 06/19/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks captin for the info along with all you other guys that contributed! I'm going to have to be an explorer ad try a deeper sub over a bigger surface area with a traditional cube mono, when I get around to it I will definitely post results.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: don_vedo]
#14657044 - 06/22/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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How many quarts of spawn/substrate did you use?
I think I'm going to go print > agar > grain > horse poo/verm > cased 50/50. What's the ideal substrate and casing depth? Should the temp be around 70?
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Psilocyentist]
#14657450 - 06/22/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilocyentist said: How many quarts of spawn/substrate did you use?
I think I'm going to go print > agar > grain > horse poo/verm > cased 50/50. What's the ideal substrate and casing depth? Should the temp be around 70?
That would have been an even 1:1 ratio of spawn to 70/30 manure/vermiculite (4 quarts of spawn, 4 quarts of the 70/30), and a casing of 50/50 peat/verm with added safety lime (not actual lime... check out home depot, they should have it).
I would try a larger depth, if I were you. Supposedly, pan substrate depths are based on surface area, so tubs like the ones in this thread would use around a 3.5" substrate depth.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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Believe it or not, I actually throw out a lot of the fruits. I trip maybe once or twice a year, and don't sell them, or have any friends that I know that use them. Hahaha.
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: Wing]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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CaptainAhab said: Freeloadin' rats gettin' high on my dime!
I'd be lovin life if I were that rat!
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: CaptainAhab]
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: prismism]
#14669036 - 06/25/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread is so full of awesome it hurts my eyes As a dude who has some pan cyan LC getting thicker by the day and some pan cam prints inbound soon, thank you for being so thorough and taking the time to throw it up here and respond.
Gives us noobs the confidence to pretend we know what we are doing haha
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens Monotub -- Pics, Progress [Re: ely2121]
#14669840 - 06/25/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Approx how many did you get outa that mono? final weight
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