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Were they friends?
It sure seems like it.
Are they now?
Doesn't look like it.
A true friend does not have to be a forever friend.
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And it's unrealistic to say it to another person imo. Adults should know better.
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LunarEclipse said:
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Icelander said: That does happen. Some things about women are not to be admired.
In the Network, sparks fly faster...
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maybe the terminology is unsuitable: change and maturation (or spoilage) in people makes relationships different over time. trueness as in the trueness of a blade's cut, or even finer than excaliber's edge, can exist for a while in the precise articulation of friendship. two people or more (like a band) can seem to be one entity. but we are not metal or gears.
it was true and is true that it is not meant to last forever.
better to say my true friend of 40 years ago, than to say "I was wrong, she lied, she was not a true friend because she is no longer even a friend at all", while you really mean "we are not rocks or gears and that 40 year old music plays no more except as a recording".
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True I guess. Better not to make these kinds of promises to each other. Better to say what is for today and leave it at that.
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Are two people ever really friends, ever?
I got a good one for you. Two people grow up in the same town, attend the same school K-12 and go on to be roommates in college for 2 years. At the end of the second year, one of them stops hanging out with the other person, transfers schools with his girlfriend and moves out, and tells the other person the day before. Were they ever really friends?
What does it mean to be a friend, really?
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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
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That's the real question in all of this. I'm not going to answer cause I don't want to damage anyone's delicate sensibilities.
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I'm not going to answer because I don't want to damage my delicate sensibilities. I honestly don't know.
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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
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I've noticed the less rooted I am in my ego and the less fixed it is the harder it is to see the difference between a friend and any other person. I still keep the friends I have and feel a relationship with them but it's hard to make any new friends because I have less to say about myself. There's not so much there to make the connection any more. It's one of the more difficult things when looking into your psychology because it not only makes it harder to interact on a personal level but can alienate you from society as a whole.
I was watching a program about sociability in various capital cities last night and they used two cities to show a contrast; Tokyo and Mexico. Mexico is a sprawling suburban fog with parties all over the street, life is very much lived on the streets out there. Everyone seemed to be very happy, it looked pretty good actually yet their destructive tendencies and the level of crime out there remain just as bad as anywhere else; if not worse. Japan had extremely low levels of crime and violence, yet the city seems robotic and cold, it's so unthinkable for a train to be late you have to bring an official letter if you state that as a reason for being late for work. The effect looked very extreme (I have a Japanese friend, schooled in England and he hates it out there) and a new section of society had become recluses giving rise to a trade where people actually pay someone to be their friend for a day. It strikes me that this is probably the reason that so much Nihilistic art comes out of Japan. People out there feel isolated, which makes people more likely to drift away from society. The presenter came away with the conclusion that he was lucky to live in London where there was a little more balance, Mexico felt a bit too much and Japan too little, although this could be just because he was foreign to the areas I think there's a kind of truth to what he was saying. What I concluded was; as Buddha emphasised, balance is best when it comes to relationships and most things.
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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said: I'm not going to answer because I don't want to damage my delicate sensibilities. I honestly don't know.
You're young, there's time.
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Grapefruit said: I've noticed the less rooted I am in my ego and the less fixed it is the harder it is to see the difference between a friend and any other person. I still keep the friends I have and feel a relationship with them but it's hard to make any new friends because I have less to say about myself. There's not so much there to make the connection any more. It's one of the more difficult things when looking into your psychology because it not only makes it harder to interact on a personal level but can alienate you from society as a whole.
I was watching a program about sociability in various capital cities last night and they used two cities to show a contrast; Tokyo and Mexico. Mexico is a sprawling suburban fog with parties all over the street, life is very much lived on the streets out there. Everyone seemed to be very happy, it looked pretty good actually yet their destructive tendencies and the level of crime out there remain just as bad as anywhere else; if not worse. Japan had extremely low levels of crime and violence, yet the city seems robotic and cold, it's so unthinkable for a train to be late you have to bring an official letter if you state that as a reason for being late for work. The effect looked very extreme (I have a Japanese friend, schooled in England and he hates it out there) and a new section of society had become recluses giving rise to a trade where people actually pay someone to be their friend for a day. It strikes me that this is probably the reason that so much Nihilistic art comes out of Japan. People out there feel isolated, which makes people more likely to drift away from society. The presenter came away with the conclusion that he was lucky to live in London where there was a little more balance, Mexico felt a bit too much and Japan too little, although this could be just because he was foreign to the areas I think there's a kind of truth to what he was saying. What I concluded was; as Buddha emphasised, balance is best when it comes to relationships and most things.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Icelander said: True I guess. Better not to make these kinds of promises to each other. Better to say what is for today and leave it at that.
I agree. Every time someone says "I love you," it should be followed by several pages worth of legalistic disclaimers.
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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said: Time for what?
Time for learning new things about life. New to you I mean.
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Icelander said: True I guess. Better not to make these kinds of promises to each other. Better to say what is for today and leave it at that.
I agree. Every time someone says "I love you," it should be followed by several pages worth of legalistic disclaimers.
I'd say put it in writing at the outset and then you're good to go.
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xFrockx


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What is there to learn about life?
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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
#14570064 - 06/06/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A friend appreciates you even when you suck when you suck too much they may have to leave or kill themselves. Now, if they even tolerate you just a tiny bit while you suck, then they really are friends or maybe just not too sensitive. In any case this is a very friendly synergy.
Another way to see it is the relaxing of aggression in one's territorial defense zones. friends permit and invite the "crossing of the line" - it is a kind of limbic diplomacy. each time it occurs, however, the amygdala goes hyper to some extent.
No wonder more than half of us get chased out of the nest more than half of the time.
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