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I finally found god * 1
    #14569132 - 06/06/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Definition:
The way I see it the concept of god is a malignant sociocultural relic that has been spawned by fear at some point in human history. The concept itself acts a bit like a symbiont: essentially it endows its host with a false sense of security whereas the host provides the platform for its existence i.e. the brain. However, in some cases it is possible that the symbiont morphs into a virus which is manifested in the highly irrational behaviour of the host.

Point of Origin:
It originates at the 5-hydroxytryptamine receptor family. The concept is generated somewhere along the serotoninergic neural circuitry and often starts to exhibit a dominating behaviour over other patterns of neural activity. I base this idea on the fact that there is a myriad of religious experience reports after the consumption of 5-HT agonistic drugs such as DMT, LSD, psilocybin, various psychedelic phenethylamines etc. Also the concept is perceived as if it is indefinite in terms of time and at least IME 5-HT mimetic drugs induce a similar parallel in the perception of time. By sustaining the concept the host (the believer) receives false sense of security with regard to his future (the idea of life after death etc.)


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Re: I finally found god [Re: mellowparty]
    #14569164 - 06/06/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Very interesting read, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts mellow; much to think about on that one!

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Re: I finally found god [Re: mellowparty]
    #14569169 - 06/06/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've never thought about these concepts in this manner but it is certainly intriguing and I do not disagree with your ideas.

:awecid:

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Re: I finally found god [Re: mellowparty] * 1
    #14569183 - 06/06/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There's other theories for it's connection to the brain. Unfortunately there is very little concrete information regarding the topic. Individuals with tumors in their temporal lobe are often very prone to seizures. These temporal seizures often result in feelings of oneness and ultimate understanding. This led to the theory of the "god spot" in the brain. But the man who originally discovered this trend did not himself believe this to be the case. He just noted the behavioral tendencies and didn't take it any further. That's part of what makes a good scientist IMO, not exaggerating claims farther than what is actually present.

People have all sorts of God experiences and I think it's a far cry to believe any particular aspect can be held accountable. I do agree that what you are describing is something that exists, but I'd be hard pressed to say it is equivalent to "finding god" except in the sense of using media tactics of sensationalism.


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Re: I finally found god [Re: Kickle]
    #14569260 - 06/06/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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to say it is equivalent to "finding god" except in the sense of using media tactics of sensationalism.



Exactly :evil2: so that people will click on this thread. I don't mean it literally, more of a catchy thread title.


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Re: I finally found god [Re: mellowparty]
    #14569279 - 06/06/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What do you make of the idea that psychedelics actually quiet brain activity rather than activate it? There is a little research (not unsurprisingly given the illegal status of the drugs) that suggests this may be the case.


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Re: I finally found god [Re: Kickle]
    #14569301 - 06/06/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think I remember someone posting about psilocybin and the above mentioned effects. It would take a lot more than that to give a well-reasoned hypothesis. What exactly does it silence? Brain function in general, specific areas, input processing capability?


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Re: I finally found god [Re: mellowparty]
    #14569355 - 06/06/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup:
Good response.


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Re: I finally found god [Re: mellowparty]
    #14569408 - 06/06/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What of the people who acquire the ability to have such experience without the use of psychedelics at all?

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Re: I finally found god [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14569436 - 06/06/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Their serotoninergic system is running on overdrive :shrug: I suspect that there might be a genetic component that influences the probability of you being open to the idea of god (the conventional concept). After all if its on a physical basis i.e. the way the cells are connected then it is highly probable that there might be a number of genomic polymorphisms that make you prone to believe in god.

So the people who dont use psychedelics and believe in god would most likely have the genetics and/or the environment that shapes their beliefs.


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Re: I finally found god [Re: mellowparty]
    #14569671 - 06/06/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We are conscious fragments of the universe, slowly waking up to the fact that we are all hopelessly full of shit.

A bio-computer hacked together by chance and time needs a bag of tricks to make sure that a globule of semen will someday work its way into a vaginal cavity. The idea of God keeps people on their feet so that they might walk into each other and fuck. If orgasm and ecstasy and warmth did not exist, we would not bother to live, so the brain supplies them in the same manner that a horse trainer supplies a carrot. Day by day we fool ourselves into expending the energy to live, chasing whatever sense pleasures our nervous systems will allow, be they simple and personal, or complex and socially created. There is no difference between a saint singing the praises of God, and a convict rubbing his own dick. There is no God, there is no purpose, and all our joys and miseries are both equally illusory. Ephemeral electrical effects in some DNA transport meat.


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Re: I finally found god [Re: laserpig]
    #14569845 - 06/06/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if you found the god experience in a physical cell in the brain the experience is still of existing non-physically

"do not confuse the pointing finger with the moon" :wink:


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Re: I finally found god [Re: laserpig]
    #14569856 - 06/06/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

^^^

Shit I hope not, definitely a possibility though that's for sure. In my opinion there are an infinite amount of possibilities of what might be, until the time comes a hypothesis is all we have to work on. I do believe the idea of god has been greatly skewed by man over time just trying to make sense of something that cannot be fully understood it known.

I enjoy reading all these thoughts they sure so make me think of all the probabilities that may truly be around the corner.

Lah'Kesh


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Re: I finally found god [Re: don_vedo]
    #14569931 - 06/06/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All I believe is that we are way, way too stupid to trust our beliefs. And I could well be wrong about that, too.

To even ask the question of whether God exists already presumes that we know way more than we do about what the fuck the universe is or what the possibilities are for how it works. I do not assume God exists. I do not assume God does not exist. I assume that I as an animal am too stupid to tell what those questions even mean.


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Re: I finally found god [Re: laserpig]
    #14570006 - 06/06/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think a big problem with these conversations is everyone has their own definition of "God". I think Chronic and I would both agree that God is a feeling of inner peace which connects all living things - amongst perhaps other things. When people try and put the idea of God in a test tube and say "it's just chemicals" in your brain or w/e, it doesn't make much sense to me. Have you ever been on a psychedelic? What do chemicals in the brain tell us of the actual experience we humans are having? It's fucking amazing if you stop to reflect once in a while.

In short, God means different things for different people. To me it means source and I think ultimately something beyond brain chemistry - although being an embodied human means you can't dismiss brain chemistry.

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Re: I finally found god [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14570109 - 06/06/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

cosmonought said:
Have you ever been on a psychedelic? What do chemicals in the brain tell us of the actual experience we humans are having?





:lol:


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Re: I finally found god [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14570137 - 06/06/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
I think a big problem with these conversations is everyone has their own definition of "God". I think Chronic and I would both agree that God is a feeling of inner peace which connects all living things - amongst perhaps other things. When people try and put the idea of God in a test tube and say "it's just chemicals" in your brain or w/e, it doesn't make much sense to me. Have you ever been on a psychedelic? What do chemicals in the brain tell us of the actual experience we humans are having? It's fucking amazing if you stop to reflect once in a while.

In short, God means different things for different people. To me it means source and I think ultimately something beyond brain chemistry - although being an embodied human means you can't dismiss brain chemistry.




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Re: I finally found god [Re: mellowparty]
    #14571738 - 06/06/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mellowparty said:
Definition:
The way I see it the concept of god is a malignant sociocultural relic that has been spawned by fear at some point in human history. The concept itself acts a bit like a symbiont: essentially it endows its host with a false sense of security whereas the host provides the platform for its existence i.e. the brain. However, in some cases it is possible that the symbiont morphs into a virus which is manifested in the highly irrational behaviour of the host.

Point of Origin:
It originates at the 5-hydroxytryptamine receptor family. The concept is generated somewhere along the serotoninergic neural circuitry and often starts to exhibit a dominating behaviour over other patterns of neural activity. I base this idea on the fact that there is a myriad of religious experience reports after the consumption of 5-HT agonistic drugs such as DMT, LSD, psilocybin, various psychedelic phenethylamines etc. Also the concept is perceived as if it is indefinite in terms of time and at least IME 5-HT mimetic drugs induce a similar parallel in the perception of time. By sustaining the concept the host (the believer) receives false sense of security with regard to his future (the idea of life after death etc.)





interesting indeed.:satansmoking:


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Re: I finally found god [Re: mellowparty]
    #14571782 - 06/06/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mellowparty said:
Definition:
The way I see it the concept of god is a malignant sociocultural relic that has been spawned by fear at some point in human history. The concept itself acts a bit like a symbiont: essentially it endows its host with a false sense of security whereas the host provides the platform for its existence i.e. the brain. However, in some cases it is possible that the symbiont morphs into a virus which is manifested in the highly irrational behaviour of the host.

Point of Origin:
It originates at the 5-hydroxytryptamine receptor family. The concept is generated somewhere along the serotoninergic neural circuitry and often starts to exhibit a dominating behaviour over other patterns of neural activity. I base this idea on the fact that there is a myriad of religious experience reports after the consumption of 5-HT agonistic drugs such as DMT, LSD, psilocybin, various psychedelic phenethylamines etc. Also the concept is perceived as if it is indefinite in terms of time and at least IME 5-HT mimetic drugs induce a similar parallel in the perception of time. By sustaining the concept the host (the believer) receives false sense of security with regard to his future (the idea of life after death etc.)



all of the drugs you have mentioned did not exist during the middle ages , your point is invalid.

also 99% of religion folks oppose drug use/abuse.

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Re: I finally found god [Re: Kinko]
    #14571815 - 06/06/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Kinko said:
also 99% of religion folks oppose drug use/abuse.




I don't think so.

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