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How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping?
    #14568601 - 06/06/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hello everyone,

First of all this is my first post on this board.  Before I ever tripped, I used to come on here all the time for information.  After my first amazing experience, I just HAD to join so that I could share thoughts with you guys about the experience.  I also feel that I need some advice if anyone can relate to me on this:

Before I get into the trip itself, let me just give you a small background on myself and my personality...I am 21 years old and about to start my senior year of college.  I would describe myself as very insecure, unconfident, and ridden with social anxiety/awkwardness.  I have always been sort of like this, but ever since I started smoking weed I slowly started to become more and more aware of these aspects of myself, which just made it even worse for me.  As Bob Marley states: "When you smoke the herb, it reveals you to yourself."  Well now that I'm so aware of my social problems, I consciously try to overcome them...but it just NEVER works!  Whether it's an extremely close friend, a family member, someone I'm just meeting for the first time, or an old acquaintance who I'm seeing for the first time in a while (the worst usually), I just always manage to make social interactions EXTEREMLY awkward, no matter how hard I try not to.  Particularly in one-on-one interaction, I just constantly find my head racing with thoughts such as: "Hmmm how should I respond to what he/she just said?", "What does this person think of me?", "WHAT can I say right now to break this awkward silence?" etc, etc...Also, I find it nearly impossible to maintain eye contact with people for more than a split second, because I always get this feeling that the person feels like I'm staring a hole through their soul instead of just maintaining simple eye contact.  And we all know the saying "THink before you act, think before you speak."  Well, I pretty much redefine this statement.  I always think WAY TOO MUCH.  Whether I'm talking to people, or even just walking around doing simple tasks such as moving an object from my table to my desk...it's like if people are there, I'm very nervous and self-conscious and have to think about these things as I'm doing them and wondering what I look like to everyone around me.  Anyway, I could rant about this all day, but in short...I feel like my social life is being ruined by my lack of self confidence/lack of social skills.  I constantly overanalyze everything about myself.  One night this ALLLLLL changed...at least temporarily:

The trip:

My two friends and I picked up an eighth of some psilocybe cubensis, which we combined with another gram of them which one of my friends already had.  So between the three of us, we split 4.5 grams into 3 equal doses of 1.5 g.  At some point I'll post a trip report explaining all the details of the trip in depth, but for right now I just want to talk about how it pertains to the above paragraph.  During the entire course of the trip, there are no words to describe the beauty, the joy, and the comfort that I was experiencing.  I felt like all personal insecurities and anxieties were just washed down the drain, and was able to connect with people on an emotional level, and conversation just flowed beautifully without me even trying.  (FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE!)  I  kept thinking to myself "Wow...I know what it feels like to be a normal person!"  EVERY second, I just somehow knew JUST what to say, and how to say it, and had no problems openly expressing myself.  I KNEW that this was life as it was meant to be experienced.  At the peak of the trip, I had this really long and intense laughing episode, where I felt like all the stress and anxiety from the entire 21 years I've been alive, was just bursting out of me like a volcano, in the form of laughter...freeing my soul.  I then wrote down my realization "Laughter is a way to expel bad energy and recycle it into good energy."  I felt like a computer that had just been defragmented for the first time in years.  I was in nirvana.  At the same time there was a hint of melancholy because of the fact that life couldn't always be like this for me.  This magic lasted the rest of the night until I was to sleep (was still coming down when I went to sleep.)  I had an afterglow effect about half of the next day, but then sure enough, I am now back to my normal, anxious, unconfident, awkward self. 

It was still a life-changing experience for me though, because it showed me what I feel is my TRUE inner, beautiful self, which is normally clouded by poisonous thoughts and insecurities.  My question is...how to work toward this way of living in the everyday, without the constant use of any substance?  Mushrooms have taught me that deep down inside of me, there is a beautiful and loving soul that I just can't seem to access.  But it didn't quite me teach me how to access it, and how to lift the veil of insecurities that inhibit me from expressing myself and experiencing this amazing level of comfort, compassion, and connecitiveness that I KNOW other people experience all the time.  I dont care what it takes or how long it takes, I will do it.  Meditation?  Yoga?  Do I just need to trip regularly until it becomes a part of me?

I hope there is someone on here who can relate to me and maybe offer some advice?  Thank you so much for taking the time to read all of this.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14568667 - 06/06/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Edit: I shouldn't post right after I wake up :ashamed:


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14568693 - 06/06/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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My question is...how to work toward this way of living in the everyday, without the constant use of any substance?  Mushrooms have taught me that deep down inside of me, there is a beautiful and loving soul that I just can't seem to access.  But it didn't quite me teach me how to access it, and how to lift the veil of insecurities that inhibit me from expressing myself and experiencing this amazing level of comfort, compassion, and connecitiveness that I KNOW other people experience all the time.  I dont care what it takes or how long it takes, I will do it.  Meditation?  Yoga?  Do I just need to trip regularly until it becomes a part of me?




You've articulated one of the problems with drugs.  You give credit to mushrooms for having exposed your beautiful and loving soul.  You have tasted the compassion, connectiveness, and comfort that these drugs have to offer.  You now see that normal, sober life cannot compare to the feelings you get from a good trip.  You've been to heaven and now you are back on earth and your old insecurities, fears, boredom, and the rest suddenly creep back into your mind.

You were on a temporary vacation, a five hour orgasm and now you've blown your load and your dick is flaccid.  It sucks, but I found it important to realize that continued use of these drugs do not bring you closer to these desired states when you are not tripping.  The drug causes it and when you've metabolized it, it ends.  People may talk of afterglow and whatnot, but that's a pale soup, in fact I think its placebo.

I'd love to be in the clutches of an orgasmic peak every single day for a few hours, but eventually your normal life starts to lose its sparkle especially if its constantly contrasted with the psychedelic experience - there is no competition.  Infinite love, infinite bliss, and enlightenment are not the stuff of consensus reality, unfortunately.  Do your drugs rarely, be careful of obsessive thoughts regarding the high, and realize your discontent or misery with your life can be exacerbated by your use of these drugs.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14568694 - 06/06/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What goes up must come down. Get stronger and always look for ways to improve yourself and that well help. Every time you try do 1 % better than last time.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: p_walter] * 1
    #14568732 - 06/06/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Do I just need to trip regularly until it becomes a part of me?




This. I can't say what the outcome will be for you or anyone else, but for me, as I became more experienced tripping**, seeing things from the "mushroom perspective" became easier to do while sober. Maybe not to the point where I can control it, but randomly I'll see something or think a thought, and then I'll realize, "huh, that's something I would see/think while tripping...."

** not that I'm the most experienced tripper, just saying "as I slowly moved away from the "never tripped before" state of being"



With all due respect, I think this is terrible advice.

You don't want to trip so frequently that all of your thoughts morph into a psychedelic mindset. This happened to me for a while, and it was scary. Made me think I was going crazy...

Sounds like you need a spiritual trip or two. I would say trip by yourself, or with a trusted sitter, and trip in the dark, with little to no sound. And I recommend going with a higher dose.

Here's what I would do: Fast for the day of your trip. Plan to trip later in the evening, that way there are fewer chances for interruption. Meditate before your trip. It really helps me clear my head and focus on the things that I want to focus on during the trip. I would eat 3.5 grams, and lay down with a blindfold. Then explore your mind. Let your mind guide you through the experience.

This can (not certainly) help to open your thoughts the way you would like.

I think this is a much better route than just loading your body with as many droogz as possible!

Best of luck man :peace:


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy] * 1
    #14568748 - 06/06/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Do your drugs rarely, be careful of obsessive thoughts regarding the high, and realize your discontent or misery with your life can be exacerbated by your use of these drugs.



This. Obsessive thoughts of the drugs is an addiction of it's own kind, one that can be dangerous in its own way. Psychedelics aren't always as safe as people portray. Physically, they are the safest drugs you can take, however, they have a very strong effect on your mind. Tread lightly.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14568788 - 06/06/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Meditation and yoga. Be patient and consistent.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14568822 - 06/06/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hi fighterpilot.. life is exactly the same for me. when i trip, i also get this melancholic feeling of "this is just a trip".


i researched self-development a lot the past years. it's definitely possible to get close to your tripping self. you grow by leaving your comfort zone in sober life. push yourself to speak to new people, do more stuff you might feel uncomfortable with (going out alone), etc etc. i'm sure you get the idea...


you just have to push through with full force.



do you think you can do it? :smile: ... me personally, i'm still having a fucking hard time to get this going. man, i wish you best luck. i hope you do better than me.





and yea, i heard meditation is also helpful :smile:. to be honest, when i trip and think about meditating, i always feel like "why sit alone when all you want is be connected with people? just go and do it". hehe. but now that i'm sober, i'm convinced again that meditation is helpful.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer] * 2
    #14568834 - 06/06/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the drugs won't make you change. just taking them isn't enough. in fact, taking them too much can de-motivate you to change, because it can be an easy way to feel good instead of to change, which is work.

i think of them as WD-40 of the soul. penetrates, lubricates. doesn't last long. it can give you a window of opportunity to move and change more easily than without. it can make your spiritual or emotional development work more productive. but it is itself no substitute for that work. it is an "ally" or friend. if you use your friends and allies without respect, soon enough they will use you without respect, and they won't be your friends anymore. respect is finishing what's on your plate, chewing well, saying thank you before asking for seconds, and not being a pig.

if the arc of your experience is like mine, your present enthusiasm will lead you into some unpleasant lessons.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9] * 1
    #14568839 - 06/06/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I can definitely relate. I too am introverted and not the best conversationalist.

First..stop pretending you know what others think and feel about you. YOU DON'T!! It doesn't matter.

Circumstance don't matter, only your state of being matters!
In other words..State of being determines or generates circumstances, Circumstance do not generate state of being, you do.Everything in physical reality is fundamentally neutral. It's all a set of neutral props. Nothing has any built-in meaning, no agenda. One of the greatest gifts you have been given is that life is MEANINGLESS. You were created to give life meaning. That's the meaning of life..to give life meaning, so give it the meaning you prefer or define it in a way that serves you.

"Uh,Oh Im feeling awkward..OH joy,OH joy." So ask yourself the simple question.." What must I BELIEVE in order to feel awkward?" Once you identify beliefs and definitions that aren't benefiting you they will seem non-sensical and you can then drop them or change them. They don't belong to you you know.

Let's get to the core, shall we?
Self Devaluation..Feeling Unworthy..Feeling unloved and unsupported. Learn to unconditionally love yourself..EVEN IF there are parts you don't prefer you can still love them unconditionally for what it has shown you about who you do prefer to be. Open up your imagination for a moment(and trust me it's not "JUST your imagination")Start a dialogue and negotiate with the negative ego. For example:

"Oh little negative ego you are such a good trixter. I admire that quality in you. But now I understand and I see through you, but that's ok I love you anyway. Thank you. And now you can relax for awhile and come along on this journey, I will carry you and you can leave all those tricks behind for now."

You must incorporate and integrate all energies within you. Don't see them as obstacles. DOn't assume that something is wrong with you. You may never be the life of the party and that's perfectly ok. Isn't it?

Mushies and the like are simply permission slips for you to be more of who you really are. Can you not recreate the experience in your mind? SImply know that you can connect to that experience NOW. Be who you prefer to be. STay present in the moment, stay in the NOW. Focusing on an object in the room is helpful in shutting the mind up. Maybe focus on someones lips when they are talking(of course while listening intently on every word they utter). Get out of your mind.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Shroomy Dan]
    #14569155 - 06/06/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Good points. Alot of your issues could be cause and effect of society. But you are still responsible for who you are.
So you have a fear of rejection.

Fear is a natural thing. one of the more pure emotions. Fear is your self defense mechanism for your very own survival. Everyone fears something unless they are crazy. If we didnt have a fear of death, the human species probably wouldn't exist. If someone ever says "Im not afraid of anything" They are lying.(truth is they probably feel weak so they try extra hard to look strong).  You can't let fear control you!

This is a very fear driven society at the moment for whatever reason it may be.

So you need to feel better about yourself. I understand you. Find a way to improve yourself whether it be by learning something new, being healthier, training your mind and body,  finding yourself a good job, or whatever that may be for you.

This in fact will make you feel better about yourself and you will like yourself more, especially if you keep a healthy positive outlook on life.If there is something you dont like about yourself then change it. Pyschadelics can help because it is so much easier to take an honest unbiased introspective look at yourself.
, but of course they cant actually change anything about yourself unless you put the effort in. and  you dont need pyschadelics to do that.

To get over the social interaction thing you just get out there and talk to people.Be honest but Say nice things to people and people will like you.  smile more often, because everyone gravitates to happier people. Also this is key because it will open many more doors for you.

Heya I like your post so I like you. sending good vibes your way:mushroom2:


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14569158 - 06/06/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

FP9:

Trips do what trips can do, meditation does what meditation can do, some of it is the same and some of it is different.  For what you're asking meditation will help, possibly a lot.  But what also might help a lot is just to deliberately put yourself in a controlled social situation where you can work on these things that bother you and consume your thoughts.  It has to be face-time but there's lots of that kind of thing around if you look for it.

Tripping can work you this great benefit by showing you you don't have to be tied up in knots but it won't necessarily untie the knots.  Do it occasionally to judge your progress.  But have faith in the process, you can fix this.

BTW, it's a myth I think that most people experience this wholeness or inner ease all the time.  IME most people don't experience that at all, and if you tell them about it they just kinda wish they did, 'cause they've got the same inner doubts you do.

Best of luck on the journey and :peace:PS


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14570271 - 06/06/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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moi said:i researched self-development a lot the past years. it's definitely possible to get close to your tripping self. you grow by leaving your comfort zone in sober life. push yourself to speak to new people, do more stuff you might feel uncomfortable with (going out alone), etc etc. i'm sure you get the idea...




Good idea to try to push myself out of my comfort zones.  On the rare occasion when I can actually muster enough courage to say something as simple as "Hi, how are you?" to the store clerk who's ringing up my purchase, I usually feel better about myself afterwards, although sometimes I'm so nervous that it comes out as a mumble, and then I walk away feeling even more awkward than before.  The mood I'm in that particular day, or even that particular hour or minute sometimes makes a HUGE difference in how I come across to people in such situations though.  The worst of all is like for example: I'll be in a store or something, and catch a glimpse of someone I know, and I will go FARRRR out of my way to avoid them seeing me, simply because I don't know what to say or talk about with them.  Thanks for the advice though, as hard as it is I'll keep trying to push myself.


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Meditation and yoga. Be patient and consistent.




Thanks, I will certainly try to start practicing these things at least semi-regularly.  Unfortunately, it is hard to avoid interruptions/distractions sometimes.


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the drugs won't make you change. just taking them isn't enough. in fact, taking them too much can de-motivate you to change, because it can be an easy way to feel good instead of to change, which is work.

i think of them as WD-40 of the soul. penetrates, lubricates. doesn't last long. it can give you a window of opportunity to move and change more easily than without. it can make your spiritual or emotional development work more productive. but it is itself no substitute for that work. it is an "ally" or friend. if use your friends and allies without respect, soon enough they will use you without respect, and they won't be your friends anymore. respect is finishing what's on your plate, chewing well, saying thank you before asking for seconds. and not being a pig.

if the arc of your experience is like mine, your present enthusiasm will lead you into some unpleasant learning experiences.




Wow, I never thought of it in this way.  Makes so much sense now that I think about it.  I guess this is why people sometimes refer to psychedelics as "teachers".



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Yes, I can definitely relate. I too am introverted and not the best conversationalist.

First..stop pretending you know what others think and feel about you. YOU DON'T!! It doesn't matter.

Circumstance don't matter, only your state of being matters!
In other words..State of being determines or generates circumstances, Circumstance do not generate state of being, you do.Everything in physical reality is fundamentally neutral. It's all a set of neutral props. Nothing has any built-in meaning, no agenda. One of the greatest gifts you have been given is that life is MEANINGLESS. You were created to give life meaning. That's the meaning of life..to give life meaning, so give it the meaning you prefer or define it in a way that serves you.

"Uh,Oh Im feeling awkward..OH joy,OH joy." So ask yourself the simple question.." What must I BELIEVE in order to feel awkward?" Once you identify beliefs and definitions that aren't benefiting you they will seem non-sensical and you can then drop them or change them. They don't belong to you you know.

Let's get to the core, shall we?
Self Devaluation..Feeling Unworthy..Feeling unloved and unsupported. Learn to unconditionally love yourself..EVEN IF there are parts you don't prefer you can still love them unconditionally for what it has shown you about who you do prefer to be. Open up your imagination for a moment(and trust me it's not "JUST your imagination")Start a dialogue and negotiate with the negative ego. For example:

"Oh little negative ego you are such a good trixter. I admire that quality in you. But now I understand and I see through you, but that's ok I love you anyway. Thank you. And now you can relax for awhile and come along on this journey, I will carry you and you can leave all those tricks behind for now."

You must incorporate and integrate all energies within you. Don't see them as obstacles. DOn't assume that something is wrong with you. You may never be the life of the party and that's perfectly ok. Isn't it?

Mushies and the like are simply permission slips for you to be more of who you really are. Can you not recreate the experience in your mind? SImply know that you can connect to that experience NOW. Be who you prefer to be. STay present in the moment, stay in the NOW. Focusing on an object in the room is helpful in shutting the mind up. Maybe focus on someones lips when they are talking(of course while listening intently on every word they utter). Get out of your mind.




Great post!  Very helpful and insightful.  I'm making a huge effort to try to live in the present moment, rather than being distracted by anxiety-ridden thoughts about the past and future.  I guess this is the part that regular meditation may help me with.


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To get over the social interaction thing you just get out there and talk to people.Be honest but Say nice things to people and people will like you.  smile more often, because everyone gravitates to happier people. Also this is key because it will open many more doors for you.

Heya I like your post so I like you. sending good vibes your way:mushroom2:




Thank you for the good vibes!  I send good vibes right back to ya! :wink:  Again, I find it very difficult to just force myself to get out there and talk to people and smile a lot, because I know it will come across as seeming forced (because it is forced), as opposed to when I'm tripping and I have a true thirst for human connection.  It is the genuinity in my tripping self that I seek.  Can that genuinity just eventually build up from forcing it a lot until it just...IS genuine?



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BTW, it's a myth I think that most people experience this wholeness or inner ease all the time.  IME most people don't experience that at all, and if you tell them about it they just kinda wish they did, 'cause they've got the same inner doubts you do.

Best of luck on the journey and :peace:PS




Word.  I guess everyone has their own insecurities, and some just show it more than others or have it to varying degrees.  I guess I let mine show, because I'm so caught up in the thought of letting it show.



I just want to say that I can't thank you all enough for your time and help with this situation.  All the advice on this page is already helping to put everything into perspective for me, and make me realize what it is that psychedelics actually can do for me, and what it is that depends on MY personal effort.  I guess none of these changes happen overnight, as I was convinced it would during the experience.  I believe that the mushrooms showed me the level I'm capable of eventually reaching (or at least get closer to) if I'm willing to work hard towards it.  I will start with practicing meditation regularly, and try the whole "forcing myself to talk to people" thing.  I did notice that cutting back drastically on weed smoking has helped me a little bit as well.  I will keep you guys posted on my progress.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14570326 - 06/06/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14570442 - 06/06/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Joe, it's the Nancy.  She's...scary.  :zombie3:

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14570451 - 06/06/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Let it go fool it ain't always about you. Lol


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14570463 - 06/06/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Stop smoking ganja or at least, take less.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #14570482 - 06/06/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: savage.renegade]
    #14570512 - 06/06/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: savage.renegade]
    #14570515 - 06/06/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Don't make me channel the ghost of Sigmund Freud.  I warned you - Google Cognitive Dissonance and Confirmation Bias.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14571131 - 06/06/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.




Also interesting how the quote "DMT is bullshit" is written under your username, yet it's the very chemical responsible for not only our dreaming, but possibly the link between this life and the next.  Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic.  The reason I didn't quote your post joemolloy, is because I created this thread kindly asking for advice from those who would be willing to share it.  I don't personally see how anything in your post was any form of advice.  If you meant to be helpful, then I apologize for ignoring you.  I know that I can't actually trip without taking shrooms, I just meant that if anyone had advice on how to carry some of those positive mindsets over into sobriety, that's all.  If you believe it's not possible, then that's fine....but EVERYONE else who has kindly replied to this thread has given me very legit advice.  I think you are coming across as kind of a dick, personally.

As for not quoting bholzer, that was purely my mistake.  I thought that I did, so I apologize bholzer, because I think your post was also one of the more helpful ones! :smile:  What I meant to reply to you, bholzer, is that first of all I'm very glad you gave the advice not to trip all the time.  The last thing I want is to feel, on top of all my current problems, is "like I'm going crazy" as you said.  As for tripping by myself in the dark on 3.5 grams?  Someday I will definitely make it a point to do this.  Just not in the too near future.  I'm not sure if I'm ready for that high of a dosage yet.  Although, when I am ready for it I'm sure it will be a great experience for helping me to find my inner self and figure out how to work out my life problems.  I think I will experiment with the meditation and stuff for a while, while occasionally tripping to gauge my progress.  I will slowly up the dosage each time.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14571269 - 06/06/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybin decreases brain activity. What it might have done for you was disable the part(s) of your brain causing anxiety.

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But it didn't quite me teach me how to access it, and how to lift the veil of insecurities that inhibit me from expressing myself and experiencing this amazing level of comfort, compassion, and connecitiveness that I KNOW other people experience all the time.




That kind of experience is very rare if not unheard of for most people. Try to lift 300 lbs and you will fail, start at 20.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14571342 - 06/06/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Also interesting how the quote "DMT is bullshit" is written under your username, yet it's the very chemical responsible for not only our dreaming, but possibly the link between this life and the next.  Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic.  The reason I didn't quote your post joemolloy, is because I created this thread kindly asking for advice from those who would be willing to share it.  I don't personally see how anything in your post was any form of advice.  If you meant to be helpful, then I apologize for ignoring you.  I know that I can't actually trip without taking shrooms, I just meant that if anyone had advice on how to carry some of those positive mindsets over into sobriety, that's all.  If you believe it's not possible, then that's fine....but EVERYONE else who has kindly replied to this thread has given me very legit advice.  I think you are coming across as kind of a dick, personally.




I may be coming off as a dick, but rest assured I have legit advice and the fact that you can't see its validity suggests a disturbing blind spot in your thinking. You post a thread asking how to "get this effect to stay with me after tripping" and I am a bitter, battle-scarred veteran of such thoughts.

I've already walked your walk and perhaps your path will differ from mine, but from the looks of it your intense cognitive dissonance and obvious confirmation bias (there was no advice in my post? Ha!) seems to suggest that your path is already chosen and you'll stubbornly stick to it.

I hope you find your peace, but beware that the difference between taking these drugs in an unhealthy and a healthy way are often subtle and difficult to discern.  After a while you redefine words, emotions, goals to fit what your brain craves.  Bad becomes good, confusion becomes enlightenment, and so on.  And it'll feel fucking great.  Oh, it can be a sneaky bitch.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14571380 - 06/06/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Also interesting how the quote "DMT is bullshit" is written under your username, yet it's the very chemical responsible for not only our dreaming, but possibly the link between this life and the next.  Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic.




Oh and stop watching those silly documentaries that spotlight drug-addled Phd's who like to get fucked up and wax poetically about their favorite chemicals.  These documentaries are the Shroomery version of DARE.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14571433 - 06/06/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i can really relate to you to man, everyone has social anxieties. Some are just worse than others. Smoking a lot of weed made it worse for me like you said, when i am high i literally avoid people its fuckin weird. I also thought tripping would help, and it did in a way. I just realized fuck it you shouldn't give two shits what someone thinks about you as long as your a happy person doing the right thing, and also you just need to throw yourself out there, like get a job that requires a lot of social interaction and get practice. A lot of people say think before you act but sometimes its best to just act especially in social interactions. Your also probably pretty young like myself (twenty) its just a part of growing up, that's how i see it. But yea you shouldn't depend on a drug for help because it is just a drug that you will always come down from.
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Also interesting how the quote "DMT is bullshit" is written under your username, yet it's the very chemical responsible for not only our dreaming, but possibly the link between this life and the next.  Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic.




Oh and stop watching those silly documentaries that spotlight drug-addled Phd's who like to get fucked up and wax poetically about their favorite chemicals.  These documentaries are the Shroomery version of DARE.



I just realized how true this is myself lol i used to be all into that stuff still kinda am but not so much now that i have stopped doing a lot of psychedelics. I realized they are just like any other drug and if you're really into them you're going to be trying to justify the fact of why you do them so much with shit like that. just like an addict.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #14571494 - 06/06/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Hygrocybe]
    #14572016 - 06/06/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Psilocybin decreases brain activity. What it might have done for you was disable the part(s) of your brain causing anxiety.




Could be - some indication in that new fMRI study that it cuts down on hippocampus connectivity. From what they released you can say for sure it changes brain activity, and that it decreases blood flow in a couple of areas, but not that it decreases brain activity, as that would be an assumption. 

But what I found interesting and really unexpected from that study was this:

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That's because psilocybin increases the expression of genes and signalling proteins associated with nerve growth and connectivity, he says: "We think that the antidepressant effects of psilocybin may be due to a possible increase of factors that activate long-term neuroplasticity."




Mostly because it agrees exactly with my own experience regarding long term use.  Although they should be talking about psilocin throughout, not the precursor psilocybin.

And to FP9 (cause it's still your thread :lol:):

Yeah, less dope = good.  It always made me paranoid, and that's a kissing cousin to anxiety.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14572064 - 06/06/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The reason you are having insecurities and social anxieties is because you are too attached to your ego.

It sounds to me like you either need to experience ego death or undo your ego.

Let me suggest a good book for you: Take Me the Truth, Undoing the Ego by Nouk Sanchez and Tomas Vieira

It will teach you that all your thoughts about yourself are created through previous conditioning of the mind (if you know anything about psychology and conditioning.) I've only read the first 3 chapters but it's pretty good. It's not religious based.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14572313 - 06/06/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The reason you are having insecurities and social anxieties is because you are too attached to your ego.

It sounds to me like you either need to experience ego death or undo your ego.




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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14572714 - 06/07/11 02:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The reason I didn't quote your post joemolloy, is because I created this thread kindly asking for advice from those who would be willing to share it.  I don't personally see how anything in your post was any form of advice.





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joemolloy said:
Do your drugs rarely, be careful of obsessive thoughts regarding the high, and realize your discontent or misery with your life can be exacerbated by your use of these drugs.





I dunno, man, this sounds like advice to me. :shrug:

Seriously, though joemolloy may come off harsh in a lot of situations, he knows more about the adverse effects of these drugs than most of us would care to admit.  He's got a lot of good advice.  You're new around here, but I think you'll learn to appreciate what he has to say.  Speaking of which, welcome to the shroomery!

In regards to your question, I think what psychedelics have to offer is showing you who you are and prompting you to decide what it is you want to change.  That's what it's done for you, has it not?  I don't believe that these drugs have the potential to change you, but rather prompt you to change, like I said.

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the drugs won't make you change. just taking them isn't enough. in fact, taking them too much can de-motivate you to change, because it can be an easy way to feel good instead of to change, which is work.

i think of them as WD-40 of the soul. penetrates, lubricates. doesn't last long. it can give you a window of opportunity to move and change more easily than without. it can make your spiritual or emotional development work more productive. but it is itself no substitute for that work. it is an "ally" or friend. if use your friends and allies without respect, soon enough they will use you without respect, and they won't be your friends anymore. respect is finishing what's on your plate, chewing well, saying thank you before asking for seconds. and not being a pig.

if the arc of your experience is like mine, your present enthusiasm will lead you into some unpleasant learning experiences.




I really like this post.  (5 shrooms coming your way for this one :thumbup: ).  I agree that psychedelics facilitate change, but that change is your responsibility.  It's not a substitute for change by any means, but I think, like I said, that it can show you what you don't like about yourself and inspire you to change it.  A healthy respect for the substance is good practice as well, because it can have incredible effects on your mind.  It's not necessarily that mushrooms are some sort of entity or anything, just that you should respect them in the way you would respect any substance you would put in your body.  Respect them in that you are careful in your consumption and smart about the conditions under which you experience them.

Best of luck to you!  Being a pretty strong extrovert, I can't really relate to you personally, but I know people who have social anxiety (my girlfriend is one of them).  From what I understand, it's a tough thing to deal with.  My advice would be similar to joe's: moderation is the key to staying safe here.  These really are the physically safest drugs, but that's not to undermine their potential to cause psychological damage, but hey, lots of things that aren't drugs have that same potential.  I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.  Use these drugs in the same moderation as you would anything that has the potential to cause psychological harm.  I would also urge you not to mistake them as a medicine either.  This isn't a cure to your problem, but rather a lens under which to examine your personality, at least in my opinion.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14573104 - 06/07/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I also have a lot of social anxieties, and find psychedelics transformative in that regard.  I feel perfect on psychedelics, even capable of looking others in the eyes.  But yes, it's a problem that it wears off once the drugs wear off.  I'm using meditation to reach those states when I'm sober (vipissana and samatha), and things are getting better, but it's a work in progress (I've managed to kick 15 years of depression thanks to psyches and meditation, and maybe I could've got there without the drugs, but they made it so much more fun).


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: mundane]
    #14573208 - 06/07/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

[On Joe] I just joined to say I find it awfully funny how Joe is so sure he has been where each of us have, without considering that some of us (me for one) may have been where he is. You know... after failing at properly using psychedelics as the tools, or bridge (to more permanent, fulfilling practices and behaviors) that they are meant to be... going on a tirade of materbatory, disgustingly presumptuous "lesson teaching" that pretends to have the intent of helpful advice, but its obvious to everyone who knows better that its all self-gratification.
[now to Joe] Many of us have been there buddy. Enjoy your emotional drug that you may very well not even be aware you are addicted to.
I honestly don't think you sound like "a dick" or harsh... you simply sound presumptuous and ignorant, with an obvious need to try and convince yourself that you have an understanding that we lack and need to teach us lol. People with addictions like yours are actually dime a dozen believe it or not.
Just because you are (according to your stories and such) a miserable failure at bringing anything useful back from psychedelics... doesn't mean everybody is. This role you play comes off as just about as ego-centric and naive as it gets. (even if you do throw in a little fluffy "your path may be different" for effect)
I think some form of your role is necessary and helpful, especially in forums like this... but you just aren't any good at it. If you were really in this to give helpful advice, you would use a little bit of strategy... maybe connect with your audience!


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14573455 - 06/07/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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[On Joe] I just joined to say I find it awfully funny how Joe is so sure he has been where each of us have, without considering that some of us (me for one) may have been where he is. You know... after failing at properly using psychedelics as the tools, or bridge (to more permanent, fulfilling practices and behaviors) that they are meant to be... going on a tirade of materbatory, disgustingly presumptuous "lesson teaching" that pretends to have the intent of helpful advice, but its obvious to everyone who knows better that its all self-gratification.
[now to Joe] Many of us have been there buddy. Enjoy your emotional drug that you may very well not even be aware you are addicted to.
I honestly don't think you sound like "a dick" or harsh... you simply sound presumptuous and ignorant, with an obvious need to try and convince yourself that you have an understanding that we lack and need to teach us lol. People with addictions like yours are actually dime a dozen believe it or not.
Just because you are (according to your stories and such) a miserable failure at bringing anything useful back from psychedelics... doesn't mean everybody is. This role you play comes off as just about as ego-centric and naive as it gets. (even if you do throw in a little fluffy "your path may be different" for effect)
I think some form of your role is necessary and helpful, especially in forums like this... but you just aren't any good at it. If you were really in this to give helpful advice, you would use a little bit of strategy... maybe connect with your audience!




I always say that my path may be different than yours and I just give my story.  Everyone on this forum bases their advice, opinions, and posts on their interpretation of their past experiences.  I am no different.  The reason why you decided to join this website just to try to call me out is because the content of my opinion clashes with yours to some degree. 

Call me ignorant?  Ah, but if I glorified these drugs and applauded the OP for wanting to use them to transform himself, then I'd be intelligent.  See the problem with your thinking?  You're not as open-minded as you think.  In fact, you're probably deep in your maze of denial.  I take these drugs, but I don't bullshit myself.  I fucking tear myself apart with honesty as I dig at my motivations and assess the impact of these drugs in my life.  I may be ego-centric and presumptuous, but I ain't naive and if that's your assessment, you are the one who needs to grow up.

You have a very insightful comment by saying that addictions like mine are a dime a dozen.  Too many people who take psychedelics do not appreciate that observation.  We tend to think that these drugs are not habit forming, do not lead to compulsive drug-seeking behavior, and obsessive drug-oriented thoughts.  I'm sorry if the fact that I highlight this aspect of these drugs somehow bothers you.  Gee, I wonder why it bothers you so?


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14573464 - 06/07/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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[On Joe] I just joined to say I find it awfully funny how Joe is so sure he has been where each of us have, without considering that some of us (me for one) may have been where he is. You know... after failing at properly using psychedelics as the tools, or bridge (to more permanent, fulfilling practices and behaviors) that they are meant to be... going on a tirade of materbatory, disgustingly presumptuous "lesson teaching" that pretends to have the intent of helpful advice, but its obvious to everyone who knows better that its all self-gratification.
[now to Joe] Many of us have been there buddy. Enjoy your emotional drug that you may very well not even be aware you are addicted to.
I honestly don't think you sound like "a dick" or harsh... you simply sound presumptuous and ignorant, with an obvious need to try and convince yourself that you have an understanding that we lack and need to teach us lol. People with addictions like yours are actually dime a dozen believe it or not.
Just because you are (according to your stories and such) a miserable failure at bringing anything useful back from psychedelics... doesn't mean everybody is. This role you play comes off as just about as ego-centric and naive as it gets. (even if you do throw in a little fluffy "your path may be different" for effect)
I think some form of your role is necessary and helpful, especially in forums like this... but you just aren't any good at it. If you were really in this to give helpful advice, you would use a little bit of strategy... maybe connect with your audience!



Think about it though, a lot of people here are presumptuous and try to convince themselves that they have the understanding that others lack. They are just on the other end of the spectrum. They still go on "lesson teaching" about these drugs. That's what this site is for, so that experienced users may help others that aren't so experienced. This is why joe's insight is just as important as others. Newer and inexperienced users need to know that there are in fact dangers. If somebody were talking about their understanding of the drugs as a good thing, people wouldn't react like they do to joe. He is a lot like others on the site, he just speaks to the negative end of the experience. People don't like joe because he tells them what they don't want to hear.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14573589 - 06/07/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well, there's "lesson teaching" and there's being didactic.  I'm for sharing experience and leaving the dogmas to organized religion.  I don't know other people well enough to be able to tell them what will or will not work for them; I just know what seems to work for me.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: mundane]
    #14573684 - 06/07/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Well, there's "lesson teaching" and there's being didactic.  I'm for sharing experience and leaving the dogmas to organized religion.  I don't know other people well enough to be able to tell them what will or will not work for them; I just know what seems to work for me.



I agree completely. Leave them with your knowledge and let them make their own decisions and opinions. Give them information and let them learn!


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14573895 - 06/07/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That's right and the speaker of the message may blast his megaphone in your face or whisper in your ear while tickling your balls, but at the end of the day its the information communicated that matters and the method and tone of that communication should not be the basis of your criticism or support.

Translation:  Even dickheads can make powerful points, striking insights, and incisive, accurate commentary all balled up in an ugly opinion.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14573953 - 06/07/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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nateup said:
[On Joe] I just joined to say I find it awfully funny how Joe is so sure he has been where each of us have, without considering that some of us (me for one) may have been where he is. You know... after failing at properly using psychedelics as the tools, or bridge (to more permanent, fulfilling practices and behaviors) that they are meant to be... going on a tirade of materbatory, disgustingly presumptuous "lesson teaching" that pretends to have the intent of helpful advice, but its obvious to everyone who knows better that its all self-gratification.
[now to Joe] Many of us have been there buddy. Enjoy your emotional drug that you may very well not even be aware you are addicted to.
I honestly don't think you sound like "a dick" or harsh... you simply sound presumptuous and ignorant, with an obvious need to try and convince yourself that you have an understanding that we lack and need to teach us lol. People with addictions like yours are actually dime a dozen believe it or not.
Just because you are (according to your stories and such) a miserable failure at bringing anything useful back from psychedelics... doesn't mean everybody is. This role you play comes off as just about as ego-centric and naive as it gets. (even if you do throw in a little fluffy "your path may be different" for effect)
I think some form of your role is necessary and helpful, especially in forums like this... but you just aren't any good at it. If you were really in this to give helpful advice, you would use a little bit of strategy... maybe connect with your audience!




I always say that my path may be different than yours and I just give my story.  Everyone on this forum bases their advice, opinions, and posts on their interpretation of their past experiences.  I am no different.  The reason why you decided to join this website just to try to call me out is because the content of my opinion clashes with yours to some degree. 

Call me ignorant?  Ah, but if I glorified these drugs and applauded the OP for wanting to use them to transform himself, then I'd be intelligent.  See the problem with your thinking?  You're not as open-minded as you think.  In fact, you're probably deep in your maze of denial.  I take these drugs, but I don't bullshit myself.  I fucking tear myself apart with honesty as I dig at my motivations and assess the impact of these drugs in my life.  I may be ego-centric and presumptuous, but I ain't naive and if that's your assessment, you are the one who needs to grow up.

You have a very insightful comment by saying that addictions like mine are a dime a dozen.  Too many people who take psychedelics do not appreciate that observation.  We tend to think that these drugs are not habit forming, do not lead to compulsive drug-seeking behavior, and obsessive drug-oriented thoughts.  I'm sorry if the fact that I highlight this aspect of these drugs somehow bothers you.  Gee, I wonder why it bothers you so?




Dude, you are only regurgitating the same rhetoric you do in every post. You are trying to merge me with anyone else who disagrees with your dialog or intent as one type of person - the person you used to be (based on your story). I made it pretty clear that my problem is not with a potentially useful role of a devils advocate (which you could very easily be), but your masterbatory "I have been there and I know what you will do" tone and style. The truth is, you have only been where YOU have been. That is what YOU seem to not understand.
I am under no illusions of how serious and potentially habit forming these substances can be (psychologically is damn serious). I have great in-depth discussions on how tricky this whole thing is with others in similar situations for no other reason than to get better at keeping things on track. Psychedelics are NOT all colors and joy - and they are not a means to an end. (I bet many of the people you write off would actually agree with that). It can get very merky and I really have to watch myself to make sure I don't tip the scale too much that other direction.
The bottom line is, for me personally, this struggle is very well worth it. I have unquestionably gained quantified medical benefits from these chemicals over the past year, the prospect of which was the only reason I stepped back into this jungle again (after more than 10 years cessation). I am not going to take the time to post all of my findings right now, because honestly I don't feel the need to prove it to you. To people like me who practice great introspective honesty (its an absolute necessity with this kind of treatment) and have absolutely no question at all of the validity of our benefits from these experiences (no matter how tricky it can get)... your "Ive been in your shoes" (although you most certainly have not) is really sadly... yes NAIVE... and yes IGNORANT - that is exactly what ego-centricism (when you think our experiences are just what you have been through) is. You seem somewhat articulate... which hints at the possibility of intelligence... ever consider that you may be experiencing some of this denial that you have a hair-trigger to shoot at everyone else? Maybe about what you gain from these self-gratifying "lessons" emotionally? (nothing wrong with enjoying sharing knowledge, but it can be done in humble... ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE means) Could this be a need you have to justify and strengthen your faith in the "hedonist" psychedelic experience? (everybody has been in a situation where they are losing control, so they give up and run head first into the darkness, like fuck it)
Ever consider that tracking benefits gained from the psychedelic experience and viewing it with some meaning is just another type of PLEASURE SEEKING? Ever consider that you just might gain benefits from pleasure seeking? Do people seek anything but pleasure in actuality? Different methods for different people - who are you to say their taste is not real just because you changed yours?
The reason it "bothers [me] so" is because, as I said in the first message, the role of a devil's advocate is valuabel in merky waters like these. I actually often play that role, so I find your obnoxious, condescending, presumptuous methods insulting and counterproductive to our mission.
It has nothing to do with your content clashing with my opinions [on psychedelic usage for potential benefits]. The simple act of you assuming that of me throughout your whole post, while actually having no idea is exactly what I am talking about. How is that helpful? You completely discredit yourself with your assuming. Its really tragic - you could be making positive use of what you have learned by simply considering your audience to be individuals, instead of a past shell of your self... but you are too busy assuming. As I have said, your whole style just comes off ego-centric, unaware... but most of all - damaged.

If you really think that there are no benefits that anybody can gain... simply because you didnt... wow.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14573987 - 06/07/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

also, when I was saying "your addiction" I was not referring to an addiction to psychedelics like you seemed to think.


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    #14574003 - 06/07/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You have a very insightful comment by saying that addictions like mine are a dime a dozen.  Too many people who take psychedelics do not appreciate that observation.  We tend to think that these drugs are not habit forming, do not lead to compulsive drug-seeking behavior, and obsessive drug-oriented thoughts.  I'm sorry if the fact that I highlight this aspect of these drugs somehow bothers you.  Gee, I wonder why it bothers you so?



Your baiting rhetoric aside, I will grant you that even though my use is infrequent (3-4x/yr), and has helped me make many ongoing positive changes, I do wonder sometimes what it means that, for instance, I have checked Shroomery forums almost daily, if not multiple times daily, for 5 years. Obsessive?

I can think of no other activity that I think about so much in relation to the smallness of the time I actually do it. Sure, I think about food more, but then I eat multiple times daily. Sex? I probably think about mushrooms more, and I haven't slept alone in 25 years for more than a week or 2 at a time.

When I'm feeling good, I plot my feelings mentally on a chart orienting them to my last shroom session, and when bad, to my next, whether that will be days or months away. I don't find this to be a problem, per se, but it's not entirely consistent with claims we've both seen about ... scratch that. I've never heard anybody claim (credibly) that this isn't powerful stuff. I have mycelium on the brain, for sure, and I love every freaking second of it, sober and not. Colonize me baby!

I've said elsewhere that my only regret is not being able to share more widely with people close to me, who aren't into it, or who have prejudices that would be socially damaging. When you take psychedelics, it's almost like you're signing up to be consumed by a fetish, like some kind of taboo sexual kink, that may be harmless in itself, but whose social repercussions, and their possibly limiting effect on your development as a person, may be regrettable.


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    #14574618 - 06/07/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

^^ good points latherdome - that is how you discuss these matters.
-On the subject, as I implied in my previous post - its all about balanace.

Two false statements: "psychedelics are god"... and "psychedelics are the devil"... The truth: "psychedelics just are" and there are many many different types of people.
Blaming the psychedelics themselves for failure is just as bad as giving all the credit to them for success - they are tools, nothing more.

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    #14574693 - 06/07/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's powerful stuff, as you can readily see, but IME the addictive properties are primarily psychological not physical.  Any physical craving only lasts about as long as return to zero-tolerance takes - for myself I've seen this many many times as my crops grow (and fail!) sometimes.  Having had some hard-core addictions there's little comparison though. I don't wander the house looking for mushrooms I might have dropped on the floor. :lol:

What seems to trip up a lot of people is the...nostalgia?...craving?...they have for the experiential state itself.  And the state isn't harmful in and of itself (talking mushrooms here), it's almost innocuous, with no hangover and only a minor change in serotonin setpoints to deal with, even after a solid week of daily use.

Thing is, you can't really attain the state without the drug. :shrug: I've done a lot of meditation, yes it can be similar, no, it's not the same.  Personally I crave the state, it allows/enables/facilitates my creative work, and it just feels incredible besides. 

You can easily conclude that you're better off without shrooms.  Feel free to do so.  But arguments against it are always going to be lost on those who disagree with you.  They're experiencing something that feels holy to them, and you're just ranting about how you used to like it once but are proud to like it no more.  Good on you, mate, but don't expect anybody who's actively tripping for whatever reason turns them on to really give a flying whatever.

When you do shrooms and you experience heaven on earth, it's hard not to want to do them again.  From a purely existential standpoint there's really no good reason I've been able to find that rules against ethenogen use that isn't simply based in some kind of societal consensus.  And any student of history (esp. psychopharmacological history) knows how many different versions of that humans have had.

In a nutshell, the societal apparatus that rails against consciousness modification on the part of the unlicensed public never stops trying to stop you from breaking free.  They have everything to lose, but you have everything to gain.

Thanks for indulging this rant and now y'all just carry on with throwing the stones.

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    #14574749 - 06/07/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yup you dont need them. They can help you though. anything can be psychologically addictive.
I'd rather be psychologically addicted to them instead of something like t.v.
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    #14574872 - 06/07/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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That's right and the speaker of the message may blast his megaphone in your face or whisper in your ear while tickling your balls, but at the end of the day its the information communicated that matters and the method and tone of that communication should not be the basis of your criticism or support.

Translation:  Even dickheads can make powerful points, striking insights, and incisive, accurate commentary all balled up in an ugly opinion.




Tone and method absolutely matter.  Passing things off as facts that are only truths for you is dangerous, whether you're discussing bliss or hell or whatever in between.  There should be a bit more "in my experience" and a little less "this is the way it IS!".


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    #14575328 - 06/07/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Bullshit Mundane.  People around here pass all sorts of opinions with varying degrees of certainty.  The only reason why you think my opinion should get glitzy disclaimers is because of its content.  That's a fact, brother.  I've never seen you try to school assholes with attitudes who glorify psychedelics.

@Nateup - All your big paragraph says is "Hey Joe, that's just your opinion and others may take different paths than you.  And you're a dick, Joe."  I agree with all of it.

Here's what I read in between the lines, "You motherfucker, I've devoted my life to taking these drugs and what you say is so fucking right and deep down I so fucking know it, but to give credit to an asshole like you kills me.  Instead of thanking you for so articulately crystallizing these troubling thoughts that sometimes creep into the part of my brain that is still rational, I will damn you instead."


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    #14575469 - 06/07/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What a complex. I pity you because you sound  like a cynical, ole bitter man going through a midlife crisis.you rarely seem to never have any kind words to anyone. The glass is empty huh? You dont sound happy.


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    #14575650 - 06/07/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There you go using "you" again.  That's my ONLY problem with what you write.  Stop mixing up first and second person and write for yourself.


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    #14578036 - 06/08/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14578136 - 06/08/11 03:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hey OP
I can really relate to what you have posted. The trip has shown you what is completely possible for you. The teacher has shown you the way. I just want to offer reinforcement of this if I can. I lost half my life to a severe case of social phobia. I know some of what you've been through. I can tell you from my experience that you can move through it, just as your trip said. But if you're like me you won't be able to do it alone. Please get help while you're young. Search around for a healing modality that suits you and seek out a compassionate therapist. I was actually too afraid to seek out help for a long time because of the damn phobia! To cut a long story short I was completely able to short-circuit the catch 22 with the aid of therapy, introspection and practice. The self-referential, strange loop paralysis has been lifted. You're young and you can do it too. All the best to you for the journey ahead.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: thingamabob]
    #14578614 - 06/08/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hey OP im going through the same things too. almost exactly

It gets better if you consciously put yourself in anxiety inducing situations all the time. Keep yourself in the present and just notice every little detail that you experience. Exposure does wonders.. it might never go away but it'll get to the point where you won't feel super awkward all the time anymore.

www.succeedsocially.com I found this site and it has lots of good tips on everything people like us go through.

Taking drugs is nice but obviously you can't rely on them completely. Psychedelics are very mind opening for me so after taking them very frequently, I eventually had some drug induced epiphanies where I realized that tripping wasn't helping me fix my life problems, it was just an escape to feel nice and then once I come down, I'm back to my old self with no changes. I realized what I needed to do was work on my problems while sober.

Anyway, Good luck. Just remember that social skills is a skill like any other. You just need to train for it and you'll be good at it. If you're a really smooth conversationist then you probably won't feel as much anxiety at all, so that's a goal to shoot for.


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    #14578621 - 06/08/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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What a complex. I pity you because you sound  like a cynical, ole bitter man going through a midlife crisis.you rarely seem to never have any kind words to anyone. The glass is empty huh? You dont sound happy.




Or maybe I'm a happy, well-adjusted, arrogant smart-ass with a million dollar smile who got wrapped up in psychedelic drugs and is passionate about them.  This passion spans the spectrum of hatred to love.  I'm brutally fucking honest with everything including myself, so I'd say my assessment hits the mark.

If it makes you feel better for the story in your head, you can imagine I am a miserable person and that's my problem.  My opinions are not the problem.  Say it and sleep sound.


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    #14578637 - 06/08/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

joemolloy said:
Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?




Online forums always have an asshole or two.  You can count me twice.  Don't you dare think that someone asking for advice on "how get this effect to stay with me after tripping" shouldn't have a post like mine rammed in his face.  In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.  And I scream loudly because its so easy to ignore me.  I ignored me for years despite my best efforts.  My posts would have made no sense to me two years ago.


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    #14578699 - 06/08/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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thingamabob said:
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joemolloy said:
Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?




Online forums always have an asshole or two.  You can count me twice.  Don't you dare think that someone asking for advice on "how get this effect to stay with me after tripping" shouldn't have a post like mine rammed in his face.  In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.  And I scream loudly because its so easy to ignore me.  I ignored me for years despite my best efforts.  My posts would have made no sense to me two years ago.



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thingamabob said:
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joemolloy said:
Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?




Online forums always have an asshole or two.  You can count me twice.  Don't you dare think that someone asking for advice on "how get this effect to stay with me after tripping" shouldn't have a post like mine rammed in his face.  In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.  And I scream loudly because its so easy to ignore me.  I ignored me for years despite my best efforts.  My posts would have made no sense to me two years ago.




your posts are unnecessary imo. The best way to get over a psychedelic addiction is to do them as much as possible until they lose their magic and realize it's time to stop.


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    #14578722 - 06/08/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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    #14578733 - 06/08/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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your posts are unnecessary imo. The best way to get over a psychedelic addiction is to do them as much as possible until they lose their magic and realize it's time to stop.




They never lost their magic and I abused the fuck of them.  I became God on most trips, the most euphoric and profound experiences which were consistent and always profoundly awesome.  I just gradually realized I was bullshitting myself with the medicinal, transformational, and mystical effects of these drugs.  I was engaging in compulsive drug-taking behavior and blind to it in part because of circle jerk ideas like this thread.


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    #14579009 - 06/08/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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your posts are unnecessary imo. The best way to get over a psychedelic addiction is to do them as much as possible until they lose their magic and realize it's time to stop.




They never lost their magic and I abused the fuck of them.  I became God on most trips, the most euphoric and profound experiences which were consistent and always profoundly awesome.  I just gradually realized I was bullshitting myself with the medicinal, transformational, and mystical effects of these drugs.  I was engaging in compulsive drug-taking behavior and blind to it in part because of circle jerk ideas like this thread.




did you really have that many detrimental effects from your experiences?

what i'm saying is I believe abusing psychedelics will inevitably lead to the realization/epiphany that you need to cut back on the drugs and get your shit together. and that's a nice thing to feel, sometimes that's what people need.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: evenbreak]
    #14579159 - 06/08/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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your posts are unnecessary imo. The best way to get over a psychedelic addiction is to do them as much as possible until they lose their magic and realize it's time to stop.



God-awful advice. Somebody who listens to this may really fuck himself up. This is something I did for a while, and I suffered for it. I wish I'd taken it slower and moderated my use more.

If you want increased surety that you won't suffer negative psychological effects from psychedelics, use moderately. I know this is advice everyone spouts out, but there is a reason for that...


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    #14580292 - 06/08/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You guys are over-thinking this entire thing.

Have fun. Its 7 letters. That's what life is about.

Life = have fun.

Nothing else matters. You can find all the insights you want, but it doesn't matter how wise or smart or experienced you are if you didn't have fun the entire trip up until your current point in life.

Both good and bad must exist as well. You will also be sad and angry and panicked along with your happiness. The trick is to not turn into depression, or rage, or anxiety.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Joolz]
    #14580411 - 06/08/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You guys are over-thinking this entire thing.

Have fun. Its 7 letters. That's what life is about.

Life = have fun.

Nothing else matters. You can find all the insights you want, but it doesn't matter how wise or smart or experienced you are if you didn't have fun the entire trip up until your current point in life.

Both good and bad must exist as well. You will also be sad and angry and panicked along with your happiness. The trick is to not turn into depression, or rage, or anxiety.



I used to think the same thing. I always thought I could boil life down to just having fun. But then I realized that while having fun, I need to be successful, and have a family, and leave a legacy. It's more than just having a good time.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14580901 - 06/08/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Joolz said:
You guys are over-thinking this entire thing.

Have fun. Its 7 letters. That's what life is about.

Life = have fun.

Nothing else matters. You can find all the insights you want, but it doesn't matter how wise or smart or experienced you are if you didn't have fun the entire trip up until your current point in life.

Both good and bad must exist as well. You will also be sad and angry and panicked along with your happiness. The trick is to not turn into depression, or rage, or anxiety.



I used to think the same thing. I always thought I could boil life down to just having fun. But then I realized that while having fun, I need to be successful, and have a family, and leave a legacy. It's more than just having a good time.




uh... no?

You do those things because you believe they will provide you with lasting happiness.

There's no rulebook in life that says you must be successful, have a family, and leave a legacy. There's literally 0 point to doing anything if the end goal of it isn't for happiness.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: evenbreak]
    #14581607 - 06/08/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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uh... no?

You do those things because you believe they will provide you with lasting happiness.

There's no rulebook in life that says you must be successful, have a family, and leave a legacy. There's literally 0 point to doing anything if the end goal of it isn't for happiness.



I agree, but having fun isn't necessarily synonymous with happiness...
I know there isn't a rule book in life, everyone writes their own. Life is what you make it. I was simply speaking MY outlook, not projecting it on anyone else.

So...yes! :super:


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14581638 - 06/08/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Nice masterbation... so basically you've got nothing?

Always easier to push a stamp than actually face your contradictions. Yet you are so honest with yourself lol.
Your "loud speaker" method fails because you are saying nothing...
"[Ahh people do psychedelics because the enjoy them ]" (oh really? lol)
I really expected more... shame on me.
If you actually had any idea you would laugh at yourself as much as I am.
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: evenbreak]
    #14581681 - 06/08/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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did you really have that many detrimental effects from your experiences?

what i'm saying is I believe abusing psychedelics will inevitably lead to the realization/epiphany that you need to cut back on the drugs and get your shit together. and that's a nice thing to feel, sometimes that's what people need.



I know this was directed at Joe, but I'm going to answer anyway :thumbup:

I have suffered some detrimental effects that I wish I had avoided. I COULD have avoided them had I been wary, but I pushed it too far.

Abusing psychedelics will eventually lead to realizing that you need to stop/slow down, but wouldn't you rather realize you need to stop BEFORE you start suffering mentally?

I think that's what Joe is trying to get people to realize. He wants others to see that these drugs aren't always as harmless as people say, and that we really should be very careful with them. Some people get this, but some people don't.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14581692 - 06/08/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Nice masterbation... so basically you've got nothing?

Always easier to push a stamp than actually face your contradictions. Yet you are so honest with yourself lol.
Your "loud speaker" method fails because you are saying nothing...
"[Ahh people do psychedelics because the enjoy them ]" (oh really? lol)
I really expected more... shame on me.
If you actually had any idea you would laugh at yourself as much as I am.
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14581701 - 06/08/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You can tell me that you felt the need to build a family or leave a legacy, whatever that means, good for you. But at the cross roads I'm taking the path to benefit MY experience. Sometimes we do things we don't like, true, but if I have a choice I'm choosing for me.

Maybe that's selfish of me? It probably is. But then again, I haven't dragged anyone else down with me yet, so there's no harm done.

Fuck it, I'm too busy having fun to even think of trying to bring yet another child into this already over populated planet, and a legacy doesn't mean too much when the outside world means little to me. Not to smash your dreams, but those are not things I want in my life.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14581722 - 06/08/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You can tell me that you felt the need to build a family or leave a legacy, whatever that means, good for you. But at the cross roads I'm taking the path to benefit MY experience. Sometimes we do things we don't like, true, but if I have a choice I'm choosing for me.

Maybe that's selfish of me? It probably is. But then again, I haven't dragged anyone else down with me yet, so there's no harm done.

Fuck it, I'm too busy having fun to even think of trying to bring yet another child into this already over populated planet, and a legacy doesn't mean too much when the outside world means little to me. Not to smash your dreams, but those are not things I want in my life.



I completely understand, sorry if it seemed I was trying to tell you how you should live your life, I assure you that was not my intention. I said so in one of my recent posts:
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I agree, but having fun isn't necessarily synonymous with happiness...
I know there isn't a rule book in life, everyone writes their own. Life is what you make it. I was simply speaking MY outlook, not projecting it on anyone else.




Everyone has their own purpose, and everyone lives by their own rules, which is perfectly okay! I am far from judgmental, and I respect (mostly)everyone's lifestyle.

Your post just struck me because that used to be my EXACT outlook on life, so I just thought it appropriate to comment on how my outlook has changed.

Once again, sorry if it seemed I was trying to tell you how you should or shouldn't live. :peace:


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14581766 - 06/08/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You weren't, I saw that earlier post. I guess I should've went further into how I am on the same level as you. That post you just put is probably exactly how I would respond in your shoes. :hehehe: S'all good, I knew no harm was meant.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Joolz]
    #14581770 - 06/08/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You weren't, I saw that earlier post. I guess I should've went further into how I am on the same level as you. That post you just put is probably exactly how I would respond in your shoes. :hehehe: S'all good, I knew no harm was meant.



Good to hear! :billymaythumbup:

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14581776 - 06/08/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You'll be fine man i was the same exact way. Its just a phase your going through that will end when the time comes.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14581791 - 06/08/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Joolz and Bholzer, you two are both on paths that are probably healthy ones and your posts always are tempered with good intentions as well as a solid grasp on the limitations of these drugs.  Joolz seems to take his drugs to enjoy himself and feels they add to his life.  I think he's aware of the tight rope that we are all walking when immersing ourselves in this lifestyle.  Bholzer too takes psychedelics for similar purposes and has probably been burned a few times by them and may be a bit more embittered.  I don't know how accurate my assertions are, but the two of you have a lot in common from my vantage point and I hate to see you guys scratching and biting.  You're like twins to me and I'm your ugly step-brother.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14581814 - 06/08/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ha, there was never a cell of bad emotion in my body towards Bholzer. I read his post and knew that his opinion had simply changed. As I read on he further proved that he wanted to start a legacy, but understands that not all of us are into that.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14581936 - 06/08/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

psychs wont give you enlightenment, only temporary enlightenment.  meditation and shit like that is the way to enlightenment. but you can still get insights about yourself and life from trips just don't take them too far. its hard not to put alot of importance on psychs because of how amazing and crazy they are but if theres anything that psychedelics can teach you, its that we don't know shit.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14582010 - 06/08/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.




Hey Joe, nah, this time you just said "MAYBE"...

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Do your drugs rarely, be careful of obsessive thoughts regarding the high, and realize your discontent or misery with your life can be exacerbated by your use of these drugs.




So can your joy, or did that get lost in the big meltdown?  Otherwise :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Anyway, after that good start the OP ignored ya and all the rest is :jacked:.

Cause the OP (remember the OP?) just:
  • Did ONE trip and found a new perspective on life was possible. :thumbup:
  • Wants to know if that can be made to stick around or is it better to work through it with meditation or yoga perhaps. :thumbup:
  • Wants some opinions on this, not expressing misery and only a mild amount of discontent. :thumbup:
  • Joined this forum just to ask about this, with a :heart: for the post! :thumbup:
  • Has friends, parties OK, but can't look some peeps in the eyes cause it feels too personal. :thumbdown:

So Joe, my particular dumb-ass advice, only FWIW, cause you're right and I really don't give a damn: just start a thread about how life has/hasn't been good to you so far, with details on what particular psych drugs did you damage or at least what you perceive as damage...with the dosages, the settings, the outcomes, the works.  Maybe the old talking therapy can do its work, I dunno. 

Or maybe you're too fried to ever work quite right again (36 hour bridgesii trips? Damn, bro.).  Maybe you do really care, maybe you don't, maybe the suit's too tight and the degrees are getting a bit long in the tooth and just trying to keep up with "consensual reality" while still getting strung out regularly is taking a toll, hell if I know, but spit it all out and try and get done with that.

Or if y'all have already made a post like that point it out so the love can be felt in the right place. :irishtoast: 

'Cause I've looked through your main threads and I don't see one there.  What I do see is somebody maybe still looking for something, kinda like a lot of people here. With a bit of OD mentality thrown in (hey, I so get that:lol:).  But if you post it they might come and help you really feel the pain, or whatever it is that turns you on.

:smileyfrog: Or you might be right, maybe you can't get there from here.  :hangover: 

Love ya, man!:peace:PS

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14582226 - 06/08/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Primal Soup, you read my mind.  So many times, I say fuck it, I'm done posting this broken record stupid shit.  And then a thread comes up and I can't help myself.  And then I get all worked up and then someone starts being a dick or maybe I start being a dick first, but I then get indignant and on and on. 

Anyway, it keeps me off the streets and out of trouble arguing with you fine people.  Maybe I'll evolve a new philosophy soon.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14582309 - 06/08/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?




Online forums always have an asshole or two.  You can count me twice.  Don't you dare think that someone asking for advice on "how get this effect to stay with me after tripping" shouldn't have a post like mine rammed in his face.  In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.  And I scream loudly because its so easy to ignore me.  I ignored me for years despite my best efforts.  My posts would have made no sense to me two years ago.




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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14584046 - 06/09/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"psychs wont give you enlightenment, only temporary enlightenment.  meditation and shit like that is the way to enlightenment. but you can still get insights about yourself and life from trips just don't take them too far. its hard not to put alot of importance on psychs because of how amazing and crazy they are but if theres anything that psychedelics can teach you, its that we don't know shit."

This. Exactly.

And even if ALL you get out of psychedelics is pleasure - and you convince yourself that the pleasure you gain is not beneficial (lol)... why wouldn't you want to extend that pleasure after the session, even if just to keep the feel good going? (which is OBVIOUSLY why any of us work to "bring something back")
Its really laughable that any of this needs to be said, especially the following:
Not everyone who believes some pleasure (for sake of context - some may call it benefits) can be carried on after a session... worships psychedelics.
I actually find the "church of psychedelics" phenom to be quite annoyingly delusional as well. They need to be questioned - engaged in useful discussion... not jacked off at.

"Maybe I'll evolve a new philosophy soon."

Aaaaaahahahahahahahahahhahah you would need to be saying something new buddy.
Please practice Mollie.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14584412 - 06/09/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The pleasure that psychedelics brings is not always so straightforward and obvious.  I had some absolutely horrifying trips where I swore I'd never touch ayahuasca again.  I wrote detailed essays describing my trips, how I felt, as well as audio recordings that were made during the episodes.  What's so strange is that within a day or two of the most terrible experiences of my life, I would have a powerful urge to trip again.  I'd read my notes, listen to my audio, and try to understand what I meant by promising not to trip.  It just didn't make any sense at all to me.  I literally forgot and couldn't comprehend my previous promises and warnings.

So I'd trip again and most of the time I was rewarded with the keys to the universe and then the cycle would repeat.  In the meantime, while I was awash in purple-pink psychedelic orgasm, subtle and unwelcome changes in my sober thought processes and reasoning began to creep in.  Obsessive ideas, drug-oriented behavior and habits as well as a compelling urge to trip.

My point is that pleasure and the beneficial effects of these drugs are often couched in strange psychological games that we play with ourselves and many of us are deceiving ourselves, lying to ourselves, fooling ourselves in an effort to justify getting fucked up on some awesome chemicals.

Perhaps you don't do this, Nateup, but I did.  Read about addiction and the fucked up games people's heads play on them.  It's fucking eye-opening and its evil and will power and intelligence don't give you an edge in this strange game.

Go on, ridicule me, insult me, laugh at me, call me ignorant, naive, and laughable, Nateup.  But I ain't bullshitting.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14585193 - 06/09/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What is obnoxious is that you just assume that each of us is completely unaware of these dynamics you speak of. As I said, none of this is anything new to me... after 14 years since my first lsd trip (with a very long break since my relatively recent re-entry) I've actually thought a time or two. Im sure there are at least a good few others at a similar awareness (risks of the psychedelic jungle).

As I said, I understand that this is all very tricky territory. Risks are involved - I have clearly admitted that. I have experienced some similar phenomenon - I mentioned earlier the importance for me to stay honest and aware so that I can catch things early when I get "off track".

Its just the obvious "positives outweigh the negatives" that we have all heard. Its true for me at this point. Of course there is some possibility that its all a lie and that I am hiding all the real evidence from myself... but all I can do is stay as honest as I am aware of. Everybody has things going on in their minds that they aren't fully aware of - even if they do "[rip themselves to shreds with honesty]"

As I've already said, your condescending assumption that you have esoteric knowledge that we all lack is false... actually at this point of the conversation its bordering on mind-boggling. What has made you so certain that I have not had my eyes opened too?

And I will also repeat in different words so that it might make more sense (? I guess). Based on all of your posts I have read, you have not "been where I am"... what is actually more likely is that I have been where you are (again based on everything of yours I have read since creeping here, pretty close)... but know what? I would never say that to you in context other than this (to make a point about you saying it).

I remember when I first realized how sneaky and tricky my self (not the drugs, that is silly) can be in these situations, I was jaded and preachy too. I eventually learned (10 years later) that its not ALL or NOTHING... its balance. Its not easy - does that mean that its all nonsense and useless? That is just giving up to me.

But really this has only been about your assuming. Had it really not crossed your mind that others may have had similar realizations, but used them in different ways? Did you reeeally think you were the first? Really?


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    #14585497 - 06/09/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14585833 - 06/09/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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What's so strange is that within a day or two of the most terrible experiences of my life, I would have a powerful urge to trip again.




Yeah, I can relate to that.  Somewhere between the resolve and the execution something goes wrong.  But what is it?

"It's no mystery.  If I can do it, you can do it, and probably even better."

Who do you think is talking here?  It's not just me, it's Dōgen, the 13th Patriarch of Soto Zen.  And what's he talking about?  Everything that stands in your way of complete realization.  And nothing at all.

"There's no buying and selling in the kingdom of Heaven."

Hell, even Jesus got it right sometimes.

Are you selling yourself for some shiny thing, are you buying what they slip into those magazines you read?  How do you get out of that trap?  How do you get better, how do you stop playing by rules you reject?

Do more mushrooms, don't go off with that other psych shit, shit that you obviously can't handle. Just cause it's psychoactive doesn't mean it's a good idea - my one time experience with datura made me believe that big time. :shake:

Joe you said somewhere that a recent 5g mushroom dose you had was impossible to get light into, or something like that. There's something wrong there. :shrug:  Do it again, and again, forget about what "you" are trying to get out of it, forget about trying to interpret what happened, just go with it until you breakthrough. Grown 'em, that's my advice, grow 'em so you can disconnect all the market forces from the experience, and just give yourself free reign to explore at will. 

Mushrooms have a neuroplastic action on the brain (this just in :lol: though I've suspected it for years - see fMRI study).  What you want to become you can become.  They model you a new you and let you become that! How cool?

They can fix you if you're broken - I know this from personal experience.

But the pills that mother gives you don't do anything at all.  Go ask Alice.  She's still down that rabbit hole, turning inside out with sheer delight.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14585904 - 06/09/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

IMHO,if you do those drugs (psychs) with a non-enthusiastic mindset ,surely, you're bound to have a unpleasant experience.


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    #14586022 - 06/09/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

PrimalSoup - Am I missing something here? Are you sure you posted this in the right thread?
Im probably wrong.


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    #14586058 - 06/09/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've never once used psychedelics to get fucked up, and as a result have never been fucked up by them.  I'd estimate I've used them seventy-five times in the past 14 months and have yet to have a bad trip (though I've had difficult periods during trips, none have not ended well, and most have ended positively).  I use weekly and have no intentions of stopping simply because of how much I enjoy it and how therapeutic I find each experience.  Life is better for  me than it's been in a long time, and my personal relationships have all improved.

I've never done a heroic dose and am not sure that I will.  I have respect for those who do and love reading the trip reports, but it seems to me that a lot of larger doses lead to some dark places.  Don't get me wrong, there are certainly mystical, life-affirming high dose experiences out there, too.

If you want to explore everything your psyche has to offer, then that's your thing.  But maybe going that deep is what ends up doing psychological damage.  Again, never done a heroic dose myself, so I can't say what it does to my own mind.

I'm just saying the +++'s I do have given me nothing but good.  I have yet to find a single drawback from psychedelics, personally (aside from, maybe, the cost, but it keeps me from spending that money on other dumb crap, I guess). 

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    #14586170 - 06/09/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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PrimalSoup - Am I missing something here? Are you sure you posted this in the right thread?
Im probably wrong.




:laugh2:  I guess so. I'll edit it to make it more clear.  And now excuse me, I gotta go kiss the sky. :awesomenod:

Sure it's the right thread, it's talking to Joe about what it was messed him up so badly and more generally to the OP's queries about functional change and achieving that through the ability of mushrooms actives to engender new synaptic connections that result in changes in brain function (neuroplasticity).  Theory being what one drug can fuck up, another drug can make better - and all without appealing to spirits and such, though I do go there regularly as well.

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    #14587057 - 06/09/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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What's so strange is that within a day or two of the most terrible experiences of my life, I would have a powerful urge to trip again.




Yeah, I can relate to that.  Somewhere between the resolve and the execution something goes wrong.  But what is it?

"It's no mystery.  If I can do it, you can do it, and probably even better."

Who do you think is talking here?  It's not just me, it's Dōgen, the 13th Patriarch of Soto Zen.  And what's he talking about?  Everything that stands in your way of complete realization.  And nothing at all.

"There's no buying and selling in the kingdom of Heaven."

Hell, even Jesus got it right sometimes.

Are you selling yourself for some shiny thing, are you buying what they slip into those magazines you read?  How do you get out of that trap?  How do you get better, how do you stop playing by rules you reject?

Do more mushrooms, don't go off with that other psych shit, shit that you obviously can't handle. Just cause it's psychoactive doesn't mean it's a good idea - my one time experience with datura made me believe that big time. :shake:

Joe you said somewhere that a recent 5g mushroom dose you had was impossible to get light into, or something like that. There's something wrong there. :shrug:  Do it again, and again, forget about what "you" are trying to get out of it, forget about trying to interpret what happened, just go with it until you breakthrough. Grown 'em, that's my advice, grow 'em so you can disconnect all the market forces from the experience, and just give yourself free reign to explore at will. 

Mushrooms have a neuroplastic action on the brain (this just in :lol: though I've suspected it for years - see fMRI study).  What you want to become you can become.  They model you a new you and let you become that! How cool?

They can fix you if you're broken - I know this from personal experience.

But the pills that mother gives you don't do anything at all.  Go ask Alice.  She's still down that rabbit hole, turning inside out with sheer delight.

Later :peace:PS




Interesting stuff to chew on, as usual.  I like your writing style and your far-out allusions that I can almost grasp.  Anyway, I think my path is leading me to shaking off these drugs, washing away the "enlightenment", and using them in a healthier way - and that means taking cactus rarely.  Shrooms, even my homegrown ones, never caught my attention even at high doses and ayahuasca catches my attention too intensely.  Mescaline is a good time and not reality bending.  Since I've slowed down with my psychedelic chomping, I've been much more content with life.


@Nateup - You wholeheartedly agree with much of what I say but seem to resent the fact that I say it.  Out of all the people who argue and get confrontational with me on these forums, I've noticed your ideas are so damn strikingly similar to mine.  I think you are close to throwing in the towel and calling it bullshit too.  After reading your posts, I am being serious and not projecting for dramatic effect this time.  Anyway, I hope you find your peace.  I've recently found my own.


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    #14587585 - 06/09/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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  Since I've slowed down with my psychedelic chomping, I've been much more content with life.





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    #14588114 - 06/09/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Shrooms, even my homegrown ones, never caught my attention even at high doses and ayahuasca catches my attention too intensely.




Hmm, ever done any wood-lovers?  You want to borrow the real keys to the universe? :grin:

Good luck on the path, bro.

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    #14588311 - 06/09/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

just being facetious

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    #14588840 - 06/10/11 02:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"You wholeheartedly agree with much of what I say but seem to resent the fact that I say it.  Out of all the people who argue and get confrontational with me on these forums, I've noticed your ideas are so damn strikingly similar to mine.  I think you are close to throwing in the towel and calling it bullshit too."

Really?! thats what you took from all this?

Man, i typed a big long break down of what I think of that... but I deleted it because I think you already know... no matter what you have the need to say in that response.

Ill let you have that. enjoy

blah blah blah wish you the best as well...

really though, I do. I wouldnt have responded in the first place if I didnt find your comments somewhat amusing.

Glad to hear you are finding peace in moderation and balance.

~edited to add quote to top and offer good will.


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    #14590204 - 06/10/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Shrooms, even my homegrown ones, never caught my attention even at high doses and ayahuasca catches my attention too intensely.




Hmm, ever done any wood-lovers?  You want to borrow the real keys to the universe? :grin:

Good luck on the path, bro.

:peace:PS





Woodlovers?  I never had the pleasure.  I don't know much about them, but are they just smaller mushrooms that contain higher doses of psilocin and psilocybin?  More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?


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    #14590260 - 06/10/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Woodlovers feel different to me as well. Maybe because you have to find them, or more like they find me.
They do evoke some ancient primal hunter/gatherer instinct.

I also love to find any mushroom in the wild whether active, edible, or inactive. every mushroom to me is amazing.


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    #14590446 - 06/10/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Woodlovers?  I never had the pleasure.  I don't know much about them, but are they just smaller mushrooms that contain higher doses of psilocin and psilocybin?  More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?




:doublefacepalm:


OMG.  You don't know this?  Cubes are like the ugly stepsisters of the prime Psilocybes - sure I grow strains of cubes try to isolate for the highest potency but still I find my doses ramping up to over 200g fresh as tea after a few days in a row (yes, that's over 20g dry weight :lol:).  They do what I need in terms of potentiating creative states and my supply can be consistent, but compared to Ps. semilanceata (liberty caps) or Ps. cyanescens (both grow wild around here) there's really not much similarity.

They also have more kinds of alkaloids as well as higher %s, this is what I've usually attributed the more profound effects to.  And when I say profound I'm talking about hyper-spatial trans-dimensional entity-walking kind of things, still burned in my brain from a long time ago.

Liberty caps typically are small, but can be IME the most potent psilocybe on the planet.  They come in near endless varieties and they are visionary writ large.

Ps. cyans are not small, but nearly as potent, though in a more in-your-face kind of way.  A little over 15 years ago I stopped cultivating a strain that mutated thanks to heat shock into fruiting well on grain (instead of woodchips) at room temperature (instead of cool) while retaining the alkaloid mix of the original phenotype.  I've been trying to resurrect that for a few years now. If I get this thing going again I'm releasing it here and to the world.

I'm also going to go after cultivating a few more wood-lover species in their usual enviro conditions as I'd really like to get back to the kind of transcendental states I recall from the past. :awesomenod:

The typical problem with the more potent psilocybes is cultivation difficulty.  If you live where they're wild you can hunt 'em.  (But having been accosted more than once and even threatened with a shotgun one time by an irate farmer , those particular forays can be paranoia city. :lol:)  But since you're growing cactii (I've done that a lot but not with actives) you probably could succeed with the exotics.  And the very occasional trip from some of those are enough to keep your head straight for years on end.

Foods for thought, anyway.  :Tastesgoodman:

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    #14590542 - 06/10/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I hope this will help

I think you should start to meditate
this is a safe and very solid way to a kind of liberation that is a good place to start
you do not want to get too much into struggling with reaching your goal
but I think it might be beneficial to set yourself a goal
maybe I will be observant and aware at all times throughout (some time - maybe half a day or so)
I got to half a day by reading Handbook to Higher Conciousness and A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle
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    #14590717 - 06/10/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?




naw.

like comparing LSD to LSA

woodlovers contain different and more actives.

like baeocystin (sp?)


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    #14590916 - 06/10/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I trip very rarely, but when I do, I take a notepad and before I trip, I consult to myself what I want to achieve, what subjects I want to dwell on, and then again whilst tripping I take notes to what I am feeling, what come to mind, what makes me feel happy etc.
I trip about once or twice every 2-3 months, and every time on small doses and I enjoy it for the momentary escape from reality, and the enlightenment I feel on subjects that beforehand had been hurting or bothering me.
I don't think you should be aiming to solve your problems by trying to achieve the temporary euphoric feelings with you, but use the experience as an insight to solve your problems and live peacefully with yourself. No matter what, you can not get rid of what is reality, temporary escapes can leave you worse, but to embrace with such experiences may be of benefit.
And I agree with other people, that it is wrong to obsess over hallucinogenics, or any drug. During my teenage years, I had discovered cannabis at a very hard period of myself growing up, and I had gotten obsessed to take it and escape from reality, I'm glad it wasn't a heavier substance. I learnt since then to smoke the drug seldom and with care. A drug though that I had taken from a young age and always took care with was speed, which I strongly believe is clean from my supplier.


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    #14592404 - 06/10/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Woodlovers?  I never had the pleasure.  I don't know much about them, but are they just smaller mushrooms that contain higher doses of psilocin and psilocybin?  More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?




:doublefacepalm:


OMG.  You don't know this?  Cubes are like the ugly stepsisters of the prime Psilocybes - sure I grow strains of cubes try to isolate for the highest potency but still I find my doses ramping up to over 200g fresh as tea after a few days in a row (yes, that's over 20g dry weight :lol:).  They do what I need in terms of potentiating creative states and my supply can be consistent, but compared to Ps. semilanceata (liberty caps) or Ps. cyanescens (both grow wild around here) there's really not much similarity.

They also have more kinds of alkaloids as well as higher %s, this is what I've usually attributed the more profound effects to.  And when I say profound I'm talking about hyper-spatial trans-dimensional entity-walking kind of things, still burned in my brain from a long time ago.

Liberty caps typically are small, but can be IME the most potent psilocybe on the planet.  They come in near endless varieties and they are visionary writ large.

Ps. cyans are not small, but nearly as potent, though in a more in-your-face kind of way.  A little over 15 years ago I stopped cultivating a strain that mutated thanks to heat shock into fruiting well on grain (instead of woodchips) at room temperature (instead of cool) while retaining the alkaloid mix of the original phenotype.  I've been trying to resurrect that for a few years now. If I get this thing going again I'm releasing it here and to the world.

I'm also going to go after cultivating a few more wood-lover species in their usual enviro conditions as I'd really like to get back to the kind of transcendental states I recall from the past. :awesomenod:

The typical problem with the more potent psilocybes is cultivation difficulty.  If you live where they're wild you can hunt 'em.  (But having been accosted more than once and even threatened with a shotgun one time by an irate farmer , those particular forays can be paranoia city. :lol:)  But since you're growing cactii (I've done that a lot but not with actives) you probably could succeed with the exotics.  And the very occasional trip from some of those are enough to keep your head straight for years on end.

Foods for thought, anyway.  :Tastesgoodman:

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More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?




naw.

like comparing LSD to LSA

woodlovers contain different and more actives.

like baeocystin (sp?)




Hmmm.  I know that regular cubes never interested me very much, especially at high doses so maybe I'm missing out on these other types of shrooms.  Fuck, the PF Tek is at about the limits of my skills so maybe I need to hit the books and sharpen my cultivation knowledge to experience the good shit.  If I grow this stuff and I don't like it anymore than cubensis, I'm hunting down the both of you.


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    #14592432 - 06/10/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

xD

check out the sclerotia link in my sig.

its yet another type, but its easier than woodlovers.

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    #14593011 - 06/10/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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If I grow this stuff and I don't like it anymore than cubensis, I'm hunting down the both of you.




Hey, no problem. :scaryshroom:  :mushdance: :stircauldron:  :zombie2: :dancingbear:

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    #14593027 - 06/10/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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  If I grow this stuff and I don't like it anymore than cubensis, I'm hunting down the both of you.



Hey, even if they aren't better, they're different, and you're just strengthening your skill set! Nothing wrong there :sambergfive:


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    #14593223 - 06/10/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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joemolloy said: If I grow this stuff and I don't like it anymore than cubensis, I'm hunting down the both of you.



If you change your sig to say that wood lover Psilocybe cyanescens is Bullshit, I'm afraid I'll have to hunt you down to kick your ass. Insult my mom, or me, but not these guys! :cool:

I've only ever NOT had these twice (cubes the 2 times). My trips were different, but every single trip is, whether the material is or isn't. For this reason I tend to doubt they're all that different in themselves, save for potency. With what thrusts itself into my fingers every autumn around here, .5g is a gentle trip; 3g the most I've ever dared (a friend said 3g was more potent than the 14g of liberty caps she'd previously taken in tea!)

As much as i love this material, joe, i don't think you need to change your drugs. I think you need to do them less.


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    #14593920 - 06/11/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:imwithstupid:    and PS too.

the cyans floored me.

totally different trip than cubes.

*please keep me posted if this ass kicking takes place. i don't know who i'd be cheering for, but want a front row seat for the battle between joe molloy and latherdome


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