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PrimalSoup
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
#14585833 - 06/09/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What's so strange is that within a day or two of the most terrible experiences of my life, I would have a powerful urge to trip again.
Yeah, I can relate to that. Somewhere between the resolve and the execution something goes wrong. But what is it?
"It's no mystery. If I can do it, you can do it, and probably even better."
Who do you think is talking here? It's not just me, it's Dōgen, the 13th Patriarch of Soto Zen. And what's he talking about? Everything that stands in your way of complete realization. And nothing at all.
"There's no buying and selling in the kingdom of Heaven."
Hell, even Jesus got it right sometimes.
Are you selling yourself for some shiny thing, are you buying what they slip into those magazines you read? How do you get out of that trap? How do you get better, how do you stop playing by rules you reject?
Do more mushrooms, don't go off with that other psych shit, shit that you obviously can't handle. Just cause it's psychoactive doesn't mean it's a good idea - my one time experience with datura made me believe that big time. 
Joe you said somewhere that a recent 5g mushroom dose you had was impossible to get light into, or something like that. There's something wrong there. Do it again, and again, forget about what "you" are trying to get out of it, forget about trying to interpret what happened, just go with it until you breakthrough. Grown 'em, that's my advice, grow 'em so you can disconnect all the market forces from the experience, and just give yourself free reign to explore at will.
Mushrooms have a neuroplastic action on the brain (this just in though I've suspected it for years - see fMRI study). What you want to become you can become. They model you a new you and let you become that! How cool?
They can fix you if you're broken - I know this from personal experience.
But the pills that mother gives you don't do anything at all. Go ask Alice. She's still down that rabbit hole, turning inside out with sheer delight.
Later PS
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Edited by PrimalSoup (06/09/11 03:38 PM)
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14585904 - 06/09/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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IMHO,if you do those drugs (psychs) with a non-enthusiastic mindset ,surely, you're bound to have a unpleasant experience.
Edited by Vsnares.Zappa (06/09/11 02:38 PM)
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14586022 - 06/09/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup - Am I missing something here? Are you sure you posted this in the right thread? Im probably wrong.
Edited by nateup (06/09/11 03:01 PM)
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
#14586058 - 06/09/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've never once used psychedelics to get fucked up, and as a result have never been fucked up by them. I'd estimate I've used them seventy-five times in the past 14 months and have yet to have a bad trip (though I've had difficult periods during trips, none have not ended well, and most have ended positively). I use weekly and have no intentions of stopping simply because of how much I enjoy it and how therapeutic I find each experience. Life is better for me than it's been in a long time, and my personal relationships have all improved.
I've never done a heroic dose and am not sure that I will. I have respect for those who do and love reading the trip reports, but it seems to me that a lot of larger doses lead to some dark places. Don't get me wrong, there are certainly mystical, life-affirming high dose experiences out there, too.
If you want to explore everything your psyche has to offer, then that's your thing. But maybe going that deep is what ends up doing psychological damage. Again, never done a heroic dose myself, so I can't say what it does to my own mind.
I'm just saying the +++'s I do have given me nothing but good. I have yet to find a single drawback from psychedelics, personally (aside from, maybe, the cost, but it keeps me from spending that money on other dumb crap, I guess).
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PrimalSoup
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
#14586170 - 06/09/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup - Am I missing something here? Are you sure you posted this in the right thread? Im probably wrong.
I guess so. I'll edit it to make it more clear. And now excuse me, I gotta go kiss the sky. 
Sure it's the right thread, it's talking to Joe about what it was messed him up so badly and more generally to the OP's queries about functional change and achieving that through the ability of mushrooms actives to engender new synaptic connections that result in changes in brain function (neuroplasticity). Theory being what one drug can fuck up, another drug can make better - and all without appealing to spirits and such, though I do go there regularly as well.
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Edited by PrimalSoup (06/09/11 03:42 PM)
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joemolloy
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14587057 - 06/09/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What's so strange is that within a day or two of the most terrible experiences of my life, I would have a powerful urge to trip again.
Yeah, I can relate to that. Somewhere between the resolve and the execution something goes wrong. But what is it?
"It's no mystery. If I can do it, you can do it, and probably even better."
Who do you think is talking here? It's not just me, it's Dōgen, the 13th Patriarch of Soto Zen. And what's he talking about? Everything that stands in your way of complete realization. And nothing at all.
"There's no buying and selling in the kingdom of Heaven."
Hell, even Jesus got it right sometimes.
Are you selling yourself for some shiny thing, are you buying what they slip into those magazines you read? How do you get out of that trap? How do you get better, how do you stop playing by rules you reject?
Do more mushrooms, don't go off with that other psych shit, shit that you obviously can't handle. Just cause it's psychoactive doesn't mean it's a good idea - my one time experience with datura made me believe that big time. 
Joe you said somewhere that a recent 5g mushroom dose you had was impossible to get light into, or something like that. There's something wrong there. Do it again, and again, forget about what "you" are trying to get out of it, forget about trying to interpret what happened, just go with it until you breakthrough. Grown 'em, that's my advice, grow 'em so you can disconnect all the market forces from the experience, and just give yourself free reign to explore at will.
Mushrooms have a neuroplastic action on the brain (this just in though I've suspected it for years - see fMRI study). What you want to become you can become. They model you a new you and let you become that! How cool?
They can fix you if you're broken - I know this from personal experience.
But the pills that mother gives you don't do anything at all. Go ask Alice. She's still down that rabbit hole, turning inside out with sheer delight.
Later PS
Interesting stuff to chew on, as usual. I like your writing style and your far-out allusions that I can almost grasp. Anyway, I think my path is leading me to shaking off these drugs, washing away the "enlightenment", and using them in a healthier way - and that means taking cactus rarely. Shrooms, even my homegrown ones, never caught my attention even at high doses and ayahuasca catches my attention too intensely. Mescaline is a good time and not reality bending. Since I've slowed down with my psychedelic chomping, I've been much more content with life.
@Nateup - You wholeheartedly agree with much of what I say but seem to resent the fact that I say it. Out of all the people who argue and get confrontational with me on these forums, I've noticed your ideas are so damn strikingly similar to mine. I think you are close to throwing in the towel and calling it bullshit too. After reading your posts, I am being serious and not projecting for dramatic effect this time. Anyway, I hope you find your peace. I've recently found my own.
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
#14587585 - 06/09/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Since I've slowed down with my psychedelic chomping, I've been much more content with life.
Great to hear man, same here!
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PrimalSoup
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
#14588114 - 06/09/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shrooms, even my homegrown ones, never caught my attention even at high doses and ayahuasca catches my attention too intensely.
Hmm, ever done any wood-lovers? You want to borrow the real keys to the universe? 
Good luck on the path, bro.
PS
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? *DELETED* [Re: k00laid]
#14588273 - 06/09/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Kuuyku]
#14588311 - 06/09/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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just being facetious
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
#14588840 - 06/10/11 02:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"You wholeheartedly agree with much of what I say but seem to resent the fact that I say it. Out of all the people who argue and get confrontational with me on these forums, I've noticed your ideas are so damn strikingly similar to mine. I think you are close to throwing in the towel and calling it bullshit too."
Really?! thats what you took from all this?
Man, i typed a big long break down of what I think of that... but I deleted it because I think you already know... no matter what you have the need to say in that response.
Ill let you have that. enjoy
blah blah blah wish you the best as well...
really though, I do. I wouldnt have responded in the first place if I didnt find your comments somewhat amusing.
Glad to hear you are finding peace in moderation and balance.
~edited to add quote to top and offer good will.
Edited by nateup (06/10/11 09:29 AM)
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joemolloy
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14590204 - 06/10/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shrooms, even my homegrown ones, never caught my attention even at high doses and ayahuasca catches my attention too intensely.
Hmm, ever done any wood-lovers? You want to borrow the real keys to the universe? 
Good luck on the path, bro.
PS
Woodlovers? I never had the pleasure. I don't know much about them, but are they just smaller mushrooms that contain higher doses of psilocin and psilocybin? More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
#14590260 - 06/10/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Woodlovers feel different to me as well. Maybe because you have to find them, or more like they find me. They do evoke some ancient primal hunter/gatherer instinct.
I also love to find any mushroom in the wild whether active, edible, or inactive. every mushroom to me is amazing.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
#14590446 - 06/10/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Woodlovers? I never had the pleasure. I don't know much about them, but are they just smaller mushrooms that contain higher doses of psilocin and psilocybin? More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?
OMG. You don't know this? Cubes are like the ugly stepsisters of the prime Psilocybes - sure I grow strains of cubes try to isolate for the highest potency but still I find my doses ramping up to over 200g fresh as tea after a few days in a row (yes, that's over 20g dry weight ). They do what I need in terms of potentiating creative states and my supply can be consistent, but compared to Ps. semilanceata (liberty caps) or Ps. cyanescens (both grow wild around here) there's really not much similarity.
They also have more kinds of alkaloids as well as higher %s, this is what I've usually attributed the more profound effects to. And when I say profound I'm talking about hyper-spatial trans-dimensional entity-walking kind of things, still burned in my brain from a long time ago.
Liberty caps typically are small, but can be IME the most potent psilocybe on the planet. They come in near endless varieties and they are visionary writ large.
Ps. cyans are not small, but nearly as potent, though in a more in-your-face kind of way. A little over 15 years ago I stopped cultivating a strain that mutated thanks to heat shock into fruiting well on grain (instead of woodchips) at room temperature (instead of cool) while retaining the alkaloid mix of the original phenotype. I've been trying to resurrect that for a few years now. If I get this thing going again I'm releasing it here and to the world.
I'm also going to go after cultivating a few more wood-lover species in their usual enviro conditions as I'd really like to get back to the kind of transcendental states I recall from the past. 
The typical problem with the more potent psilocybes is cultivation difficulty. If you live where they're wild you can hunt 'em. (But having been accosted more than once and even threatened with a shotgun one time by an irate farmer , those particular forays can be paranoia city. ) But since you're growing cactii (I've done that a lot but not with actives) you probably could succeed with the exotics. And the very occasional trip from some of those are enough to keep your head straight for years on end.
Foods for thought, anyway. 
PS
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
#14590542 - 06/10/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hope this will help
I think you should start to meditate this is a safe and very solid way to a kind of liberation that is a good place to start you do not want to get too much into struggling with reaching your goal but I think it might be beneficial to set yourself a goal maybe I will be observant and aware at all times throughout (some time - maybe half a day or so) I got to half a day by reading Handbook to Higher Conciousness and A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle HtHC introduced me to the idea of observing the mind keep doing that and you will benefit greatly drugs are a whole other thing
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
#14590717 - 06/10/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?
naw.
like comparing LSD to LSA
woodlovers contain different and more actives.
like baeocystin (sp?)
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: k00laid]
#14590916 - 06/10/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I trip very rarely, but when I do, I take a notepad and before I trip, I consult to myself what I want to achieve, what subjects I want to dwell on, and then again whilst tripping I take notes to what I am feeling, what come to mind, what makes me feel happy etc. I trip about once or twice every 2-3 months, and every time on small doses and I enjoy it for the momentary escape from reality, and the enlightenment I feel on subjects that beforehand had been hurting or bothering me. I don't think you should be aiming to solve your problems by trying to achieve the temporary euphoric feelings with you, but use the experience as an insight to solve your problems and live peacefully with yourself. No matter what, you can not get rid of what is reality, temporary escapes can leave you worse, but to embrace with such experiences may be of benefit. And I agree with other people, that it is wrong to obsess over hallucinogenics, or any drug. During my teenage years, I had discovered cannabis at a very hard period of myself growing up, and I had gotten obsessed to take it and escape from reality, I'm glad it wasn't a heavier substance. I learnt since then to smoke the drug seldom and with care. A drug though that I had taken from a young age and always took care with was speed, which I strongly believe is clean from my supplier.
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: k00laid]
#14592404 - 06/10/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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Woodlovers? I never had the pleasure. I don't know much about them, but are they just smaller mushrooms that contain higher doses of psilocin and psilocybin? More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?
OMG. You don't know this? Cubes are like the ugly stepsisters of the prime Psilocybes - sure I grow strains of cubes try to isolate for the highest potency but still I find my doses ramping up to over 200g fresh as tea after a few days in a row (yes, that's over 20g dry weight ). They do what I need in terms of potentiating creative states and my supply can be consistent, but compared to Ps. semilanceata (liberty caps) or Ps. cyanescens (both grow wild around here) there's really not much similarity.
They also have more kinds of alkaloids as well as higher %s, this is what I've usually attributed the more profound effects to. And when I say profound I'm talking about hyper-spatial trans-dimensional entity-walking kind of things, still burned in my brain from a long time ago.
Liberty caps typically are small, but can be IME the most potent psilocybe on the planet. They come in near endless varieties and they are visionary writ large.
Ps. cyans are not small, but nearly as potent, though in a more in-your-face kind of way. A little over 15 years ago I stopped cultivating a strain that mutated thanks to heat shock into fruiting well on grain (instead of woodchips) at room temperature (instead of cool) while retaining the alkaloid mix of the original phenotype. I've been trying to resurrect that for a few years now. If I get this thing going again I'm releasing it here and to the world.
I'm also going to go after cultivating a few more wood-lover species in their usual enviro conditions as I'd really like to get back to the kind of transcendental states I recall from the past. 
The typical problem with the more potent psilocybes is cultivation difficulty. If you live where they're wild you can hunt 'em. (But having been accosted more than once and even threatened with a shotgun one time by an irate farmer , those particular forays can be paranoia city. ) But since you're growing cactii (I've done that a lot but not with actives) you probably could succeed with the exotics. And the very occasional trip from some of those are enough to keep your head straight for years on end.
Foods for thought, anyway. 
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joemolloy said: More of the same cubensis bang in a smaller, more delicate looking mushroom?
naw.
like comparing LSD to LSA
woodlovers contain different and more actives.
like baeocystin (sp?)
Hmmm. I know that regular cubes never interested me very much, especially at high doses so maybe I'm missing out on these other types of shrooms. Fuck, the PF Tek is at about the limits of my skills so maybe I need to hit the books and sharpen my cultivation knowledge to experience the good shit. If I grow this stuff and I don't like it anymore than cubensis, I'm hunting down the both of you.
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
#14592432 - 06/10/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xD
check out the sclerotia link in my sig.
its yet another type, but its easier than woodlovers.
ive yet to grow any woodlovers.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
#14593011 - 06/10/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I grow this stuff and I don't like it anymore than cubensis, I'm hunting down the both of you.
Hey, no problem. 
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