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OfflineAcidfox
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Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough
    #14567450 - 06/05/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

For many weeks I have practiced lucid dreaming. In ways you cannot

imagine, it makes dreams feel like real life. Recently I have been

getting confused because dreams have become so real ( I might be

dreaming right now) that I often find it difficult to tell the

difference between real life and my lucid dreaming subconscious. It

feels as if I am living in 2 lives, and when my dream crosses between

places I go in real life, it really trips me up. I have discontinued

lucid dreaming practice as of yesterday. Another example of what i mean

is on some occasions I had to question myself of what I was doing like

speaking in front of people. I get the same sensation in real life as

I do in dreams and it is very confusing for me, I guess my question

here today is: HOW DO I GET OUT?


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Acidfox]
    #14567491 - 06/06/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

stuck in the void huh? youre on the right track, just don't go lucid for a while and your dreams should go back to normal. i take 5-htp to help facilitate my dreams and make them more vivid so i feel like this all the time too. I personally enjoy it, sorry to hear it's uncomfortable for you. Good luck!


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14567794 - 06/06/11 02:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hes in limbo


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: LSDylan]
    #14567854 - 06/06/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I can't believe anyone hasn't suggested this yet. Get a "thing" like they've got in inception. A hollow tree figurine with metal in it, so only you know how much it weighs or... Something...


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: fudge]
    #14567890 - 06/06/11 03:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I know the problem. When I was into lucid dreaming eventually I started feeling like for each waking hour I spent a month in dream land. Things got awkward and my dream memories started interfering with my waking memories.

Lucid dreaming is more awesome than any drug I've ever done for sure. There are no limits except for your imagination and self control. If you push it far, it is beyond any psychedelic.

I still remember my first lucid dream where I could control my environment. I became lucid on a beach and I opened the sea like Moses. Too bad I don't think it's worth the time it takes to achieve very good lucid dreaming skills. After all it's just entertainment and spending all time with these routines to achieve lucidity is just not worth it I think...

Just stop lucid dreaming and after a while everything will return to normal.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: azay]
    #14567944 - 06/06/11 03:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Take some Seroquil, Benadryl, or any other hallucinogenic deleriant tranq. If you can stay awake and alert, and it will come easily. Feel the sensation in your eyes when you're hallucinating. They will probably be closed. lol.

Ginkgo Biloba or ginseng for presence of mind.

If you do yoga or anything like that, then always open the heart chakra before the head chakra.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: fudge]
    #14568043 - 06/06/11 04:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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fudge said:
I can't believe anyone hasn't suggested this yet. Get a "thing" like they've got in inception. A hollow tree figurine with metal in it, so only you know how much it weighs or... Something...




Since he would get used to seeing it IRL, he would end up seeing it in his dreams too, so that wouldn't work.

I have to admit I feel envious though, I've been trying to become lucid for a few weeks with no success yet.. Just quit lucid dreaming for a few weeks, hope it'll come back to normal :smile:


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Constantine]
    #14568046 - 06/06/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

most people want to get in on it, not get out. It's not as easy to achieve it...


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Acidfox]
    #14568059 - 06/06/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

lol OP, I like that feeling. Sometimes I'll be walking along and wonder: "Am I really here, or am I still sitting at the couch? have I fallen asleep? maybe I'm going to mad, there's no way that dragon over there is real... or have dragons always been real and I've simply forgotten?"

In the end I think it's important to just go with the flow and not worry about whether your dreaming or not, after all there is no "real" it's all just an illusion, both your dreams and your realities - so just go with the flow and allow the two to merge into a spectacular new lifestyle.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Dawks]
    #14568085 - 06/06/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

OP:  read this short story by Gabriel Garcia Marquez  called 'Ojos de perro azul'

It is about the seperate realities of dreaming vs waking life.

Its in spanish, but you can find it in english also.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
    #14568330 - 06/06/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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maug said:
Take some Seroquil, Benadryl, or any other hallucinogenic deleriant tranq. If you can stay awake and alert, and it will come easily. Feel the sensation in your eyes when you're hallucinating. They will probably be closed. lol.

Ginkgo Biloba or ginseng for presence of mind.

If you do yoga or anything like that, then always open the heart chakra before the head chakra.



   

DO NOT take seroquel if you are trying to distance yourself from vivid lucid dreams, i am prescribed seroquel, it is an anti-psychotic and will produce some of the most vivid dreams that you can ever have. if you take this you really will have trouble discerning the real from the fictitious. Even on the pharmacy warnings the label says, may cause vivid dreams.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: pcnubie]
    #14568600 - 06/06/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Take some Seroquil, Benadryl, or any other hallucinogenic deleriant tranq. If you can stay awake and alert, and it will come easily. Feel the sensation in your eyes when you're hallucinating. They will probably be closed. lol.

Ginkgo Biloba or ginseng for presence of mind.

If you do yoga or anything like that, then always open the heart chakra before the head chakra.



   

DO NOT take seroquel if you are trying to distance yourself from vivid lucid dreams, i am prescribed seroquel, it is an anti-psychotic and will produce some of the most vivid dreams that you can ever have. if you take this you really will have trouble discerning the real from the fictitious. Even on the pharmacy warnings the label says, may cause vivid dreams.



yeah man, don't reach for seroquel. i got put on the same type of pharm (i don't take it.) When i did take it my dreams were vivid and terrifying, worse than bad trip terrifying and it was like i couldn't wake myself (it wasn't SP, i have that too.) If you're gonna medicate before bed just have a few beers and/or get really high, it'll make your dreams less vivid. I personally say just stop doing reality checks in your dreams and apply them back to real life.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14569278 - 06/06/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I know they are real-like hallucinations. But that's the point. You take some in the morning, after you've slept so you're clear-headed and won't be as drowsey, you know what's going to happen, and you learn to tell the difference. I've had those paralyzing terrors too, but I've never had a problem with distinguishing them from reality. If you start to get strange dreams, or weird deja vu, or surreal feelings, that's a strong sign that things are only going to get even stranger if you keep on taking them. You're both right, it may be best for the op to not do this now.

I heard Robert Anton Wilson say in an interview that when you open the 6th chakra before the 4th, then you have nothing to ground you and pull you back, so it's possible to then go insane.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
    #14569440 - 06/06/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

OP an easy way to test if you're dreaming or not is to plug your nose and try to breath out

if there's airflow then your dreaming if not then you're awake.

Or you can look at a watch or a mirror, they are always distorted in dreams.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Daniel11]
    #14569458 - 06/06/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I lol'd, now I wanna get stuck in limbo too


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Shrewmz]
    #14569485 - 06/06/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Don't look at it as being "stuck". You've made progress. Rather than trying to go back to your old state, see if you can take it another step further.

or as that too scary?


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: FleshCap]
    #14569519 - 06/06/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with fleshcap. I've had mutual lucid dreams before. I went to look for my buddy and he came looking me. We chilled and got high and were both able to recall it without prior planning to try and do it.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14569541 - 06/06/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That sounds unreal, I've achieved some sort of lucid dreaming, but have never gotten close to that deep. Mutual lucid dreaming... that shits blowing my mind.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Daniel11]
    #14569639 - 06/06/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Smoke pot.

I smoke tons of pot and I can't remember a single dream. Maybe I come back with a little piece of a dream once a month or so. On a night where I didn't smoke for a few hours before bed.

Not that it's a good thing at all. I miss dreaming. This is one of the reasons I should quit/cut back.

But for you it might just help.

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OP an easy way to test if you're dreaming or not is to plug your nose and try to breath out

if there's airflow then your dreaming if not then you're awake.

Or you can look at a watch or a mirror, they are always distorted in dreams.



Yes, or look at a clock, flip a light switch, just test things for proper functioning.

Speaking of dreaming and mirrors...I had a really vivid dream once where I was watching myself in the bathroom mirror. It was quite freaky actually. My face looked more like a mask of my face molded from plastic. I could close my eyes and see into yet another dream dimension beyond the one I was in - a different place but I can't remember the details. And opening my eyes again I would see my spooky plastic reflection in the mirror. I was under the impression in my dream that I was awake and looking into the mirror (the plastic face should have tipped me off, but you know how irrational we can be in a dream), but with eyes closed I would be thrust instantly into a dream that I was aware of. It sends chills down my spine thinking about it honestly.


Hey, what about sleep paralysis? That is what really scares me about lucid dreaming. When I was having lucid dreams often, I would also experience the terrifying sleep paralysis once in a while, and that always scared me away. I think sleep paralysis is the beginning state from which one can astral project. Similar to lucid dreaming, maybe it is just a lucid dream, or maybe more. You can literally step out of your body and watch yourself sleep. But my problem is, the paralysis state is so incredibly frightening, that I can not go any farther. When I find myself in that state I automatically panic and want to wake up.

One really bad instance of sleep paralysis was my most intense psychedelic experience ever. The dream world is so much more powerful than we accept it to be.
I was paralyzed in my bed and I could hear this mechanical noise close by that was just plain scary. Looking back I think it was probably the fan in the room or something. Commonly in sleep paralysis I will be trying with all of my will power to scream for help, but nothing comes out. I will try to move but I am stuck. It is seriously the scariest thing I have ever experienced. I tried to sit up in bed, and as I did so, it was like my forehead cracked the thin, cheap facade of a reality hanging over me, it shattered into millions of tiny pieces, and the bed underneath me was gone, I was falling in an infinite abyss of blackness amongst the shattered pieces of my dream. And then I finally woke up sweating/shaking and could not go back to sleep for the rest of the night. Now honestly I haven't had many vivid dreams since that experience. Nor one single instance of sleep paralysis. I think I have subconsciously shut myself off from my dream world in some sort of attempt to protect myself from the horrors of sleep paralysis. Because now I wake up with an absolutely blank memory of my sleep time, every time. Which is a bummer because I really enjoy dreaming.

I really do think the pot has a lot to do with it though.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: drr]
    #14569781 - 06/06/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Pot does have something to do with it. I read somewhere that alcohol and weed both do something to suppress dreams.

How the hell are you guys getting so lucid?? I've been trying for the past few weeks and to no avail. :frown:

I want to give up but at the same time I want to have these crazy experiences you all speak of. My problem is not getting lucid; I haven't even gotten there. I don't fucking dream! How can I start to dream? Or is it possible that I AM dreaming and I don't remember them? I only get like 7 hours of sleep a night, could that be the problem?


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14569837 - 06/06/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Kava and 5-htp before bed, plus years of practice


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14569861 - 06/06/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I had the same problem. Stop your LD practices and stop thinking about it, your dreams will return to normal in time.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Hygrocybe]
    #14569974 - 06/06/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I had the same problem. Stop your LD practices and stop thinking about it, your dreams will return to normal in time.




It's not that they suddenly stopped. It's more of a situation where I never dreamed much, and I started doing some LD training/practices and still can't seem to dream at all. And when I do dream, I either only recall snippets, or they're interrupted.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14570020 - 06/06/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Do not smoke pot, or take anything. This is just asking for the lines to get more blurred.

@ op:
You might try EFT (emotional freedom tek). It's a nice "reset button". It may be just what you need. It helps to tell yourself you are just like everyone else you see around you, and just go with their flow/values.

Once I felt like that for a long time. Well over a month. It ended in a paralyzing terrifying trip that I think was set off from the combination of weed and Benadryl 3 days prior. I couldn't dream didn't dream for about 2 years after.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Hygrocybe]
    #14570081 - 06/06/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

OP, I too go through Lucid Dreaming periods.  I've been doing it on and off for years.  Whenever I would get confused about being in waking life or dream land, I would use the technique they used in inception where you try and remember how you got to where you were.  If I am dreaming, either I can't remember how I got their or the circumstances that preceded are always too crazy to be waking life.

@VTtripper if you want to become lucid while dreaming, you have to first improve your dream recall.  Like anything, some people are naturally better at it than others.  You are dreaming, just not remembering. Everyone person dreams and so does your dog, cat, and other animals as well. Tell yourself before you go to sleep you will remember your dream upon waking. Make that the last thought you have before going to sle. Keep a dream journal and write down your dreams as soon as you wake up. It takes lots of patience and practice but you cannot have a lucid dream until you remember them.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Itssointense]
    #14570138 - 06/06/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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@VTtripper if you want to become lucid while dreaming, you have to first improve your dream recall.  Like anything, some people are naturally better at it than others.  You are dreaming, just not remembering. Everyone person dreams and so does your dog, cat, and other animals as well. Tell yourself before you go to sleep you will remember your dream upon waking. Make that the last thought you have before going to sle. Keep a dream journal and write down your dreams as soon as you wake up. It takes lots of patience and practice but you cannot have a lucid dream until you remember them.





I'll try it out, but I've woken up every day for the past few weeks with my pad of paper right next to my bed to write the dreams down, but I get nothing most days. Not even a vague recollection of a dream. Could I be lacking sleep? As I stated previously, I only get like 6-7 hrs a night


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14570177 - 06/06/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think all you need to do is keep practicing.  I couldn't remember my dreams for shit when I started. After a few weeks of practice I started to remember more and more of my dreams. I've found when you wake up, think about the last thing you were doing in your dream and work backwards. Once you get as far back as you can remember, start writing it down from there.  Just write what you can remember. The fact to you make this a common practice will help improve your recall on it's own. It tells your brain you want it to remember.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Itssointense]
    #14570306 - 06/06/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Alright. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the advice


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14570481 - 06/06/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hello. just my opinion/thoughts on this.

If I were you OP, I would try to arrange a couple of days where I could get out of town and away from routine.

I'd also stop doing all drugs and add a new practice in addition to the practice that is helping you have lucid dreams.
You're making progress, time to amp up effort or go back to sleep.

There's this practice I do that has been extremely helpful,

S.O.L. - subject, object, location

get a watch that has a countdown timer and set it to go off once every hour. when it goes off, take just a moment to take note of -

subject - you. pay attention to your body, where it is in space and what it is doing. what are you thinking, feeling... etc. just check in.

object - what is going on around you? take note of the details. what is hanging on the wall? study the objects around you. are there any unusual objects you don't recognize? if so, study them... just some examples.

location - where are you? inside a house? outdoors? do you come here often? are you in the physical world or the astral world?

Test reality.

after asking yourself where you are at, don't just believe what your mind tells you. test it. you can do it discreetly by pulling your finger or pushing on a wall or piece of glass. Just test the density of yourself and your surroundings.
If you are dreaming, the environment will change. Signs, papers, anything with words will shift easily.
Take a little leap in the air. If you're in the astral plane you'll float.

this exercise works best when practiced often and consistently. i go through periods sometimes where i set a watch timer to go off every 10 minutes to remind myself.

Results - you'll become more aware of yourself in the physical world and be able to confirm where you are at, and you'll be jolted into lucidity when you do the practice in your dreams.

whatever happens and whatever course of action you decide to take addressing this, best of luck to you. try to just be relaxed.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14570555 - 06/06/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I'll try it out, but I've woken up every day for the past few weeks with my pad of paper right next to my bed to write the dreams down, but I get nothing most days. Not even a vague recollection of a dream. Could I be lacking sleep? As I stated previously, I only get like 6-7 hrs a night




Stay awake until you're exhausted, and then close your eyes but don't sleep (palming works well). Stay relaxed, and open your eyes in order to see the dream plus reality.
Stay awake until you're exhausted, and take a caffeine pill right before you pass out.

Both of those are pretty much guaranteed to be interesting.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
    #14570698 - 06/06/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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maug said:

Stay awake until you're exhausted, and then close your eyes but don't sleep (palming works well). Stay relaxed, and open your eyes in order to see the dream plus reality.
Stay awake until you're exhausted, and take a caffeine pill right before you pass out.

Both of those are pretty much guaranteed to be interesting.





Excuse my ignorance, but if I'm exhausted and I close my eyes, won't I drift to sleep? Also, what is palming? Is that where you write an A on your palm to mean Awake?


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14570865 - 06/06/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Put the palm of your hand over your eyes. If you stay awake a long time, you need to do that anyways because they will dry out. And naturally, you'll need to fight off the sleep a bit. It can be done. My personal record is 5 days with no caffeine/drugs.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
    #14570991 - 06/06/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Put the palm of your hand over your eyes. If you stay awake a long time, you need to do that anyways because they will dry out. And naturally, you'll need to fight off the sleep a bit. It can be done. My personal record is 5 days with no caffeine/drugs.




So you're saying you stayed awake for 5 days straight?

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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14571448 - 06/06/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i envy you so much. how did you get to the point of being able to dream so vividly that you're actually having a hard time with how vivid it is?

seriously. i want to know. is it something people are born with, or can it be trained?

i remember, before i gave up trying to LD, that every time I begin to realize that I'm dreaming, my dreams become really weak and it's like I'm always on the verge of waking up. was never able to overcome this obstacle..


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: evenbreak]
    #14572182 - 06/06/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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i envy you so much. how did you get to the point of being able to dream so vividly that you're actually having a hard time with how vivid it is?

seriously. i want to know. is it something people are born with, or can it be trained?




+1

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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Zzzarathustra]
    #14572233 - 06/06/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Lucid dreaming is difficult, takes a lot of practice. I've managed to go lucid on multiple occasions and it truly is amazing. There's just nothing like it.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: bRaInMeLtErS]
    #14572282 - 06/06/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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i envy you so much. how did you get to the point of being able to dream so vividly that you're actually having a hard time with how vivid it is?

seriously. i want to know. is it something people are born with, or can it be trained?

i remember, before i gave up trying to LD, that every time I begin to realize that I'm dreaming, my dreams become really weak and it's like I'm always on the verge of waking up. was never able to overcome this obstacle..



Lucid dreams are my shit! i think all the big stuff hasd been mentioned. You gotta start with dream recall, i use a journal and record what i can remember in the morning. Read over it after a while and take note of recurring themes or patterns. Within these patterns one can usually find details that aren't consistent with waking reality (this could be a clock that reads 1B:94 for example, or visual distortions in the environment.) It varies widely from person to person but these nonsensical signals can help you to trigger lucidity later on. Personally, my reality check is to study my periphreal vidsion. if it's more like tunnel vision than it would be while awake then i know i'm dreaming and can then become lucid and open up my vision all the way. Another thing that helps me a lot is a nightly supplement of 5-HTP (10-20 bucks at a whole foods store, gnc, drug store, etc.) This is a serotonin precursor, thus, it helps facilitate the production of melatonin and POSSIBLY dimethyltryptamine by the pineal gland; though the dmt part is ONLY speculation. I find that b/c im such a stoner the supplement helps me to remember my dreams better as well as making them more vivid. So after that there comes actually triggering the experience. When a recurring nonsense cue comes into play, recognize it as a sign that you are indeed dreaming. Dont get too excited (it'll happen a few times and you'll wake up from sheer excitement.) This can becontrolled over time. eventually you can learn to do... anything really within your dreams. It's a lot of fun, but it takes YEARS of practice! once you learn though, you can just think it and it happens!!! have fun! And as a side note on 5-HTP; dont take it within six hours (before or after) drinking large amounts of alcohol as this is known to cause adverse reactions such as fainting or siezure. This works for me anyway, hope it helps! open to anymore questions, i've been doing it every night for ten years. it's still getting stranger and stranger.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: bRaInMeLtErS]
    #14572291 - 06/06/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

OP you arent as special as you think you are.

or as cursed as you think you are.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: k00laid]
    #14573264 - 06/07/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i wanna lucid dream....id probly just run around grabbin titties


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    #14574139 - 06/07/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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i wanna lucid dream....id probly just run around grabbin titties



You can do more than that. More like fulfill your every sexual fantasy with absolute perfection.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14574200 - 06/07/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I smoke weed and usually have multiple dreams a night. Try melatonin, it really intensifies all aspects of dreaming. I take the 10mg caps most nights.

It's hard to remember when you have 6 or 7 dreams in 1 night, some of which were lengthy like a solid 10-20 minute scenario.

Sometimes when I'm dreaming and become lucid I regain access to lost memories of dreams too.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #14574703 - 06/07/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I started training LD about a week and a half-2 weeks ago. How long do you think before I start being able to recognize I'm dreaming? I've only had a few dreams during this time, which I noted. Actually, last night I know that I had like 4 dreams, but remember two of them. The other two are very fuzzy. Last night was a big step actually. Usually my dreams are like 1 or 2 a week, and not even more fuzzy memories, just in total. I had more dreams last night than I have since I started.

Also, when your lucid, I know you can fly, and do whatever you want pretty much, but do others in your dream react as you please or how they would normally, or something else? Like if I went up to my professor and said FUCK YOU, but wanted him to react a certain way, would he do that or fail me for the semester like normal?


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14574834 - 06/07/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It could take months or it could happen tonight. Patience is key. Don't force it just stay hopeful that you'll suceed and eventually you will. As far as others in your sequences, at first they may react at random, but over time you can learn to manipulate the whole scenario. Patience , practice, and dillegence.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14575049 - 06/07/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I started training LD about a week and a half-2 weeks ago. How long do you think before I start being able to recognize I'm dreaming? I've only had a few dreams during this time, which I noted. Actually, last night I know that I had like 4 dreams, but remember two of them. The other two are very fuzzy. Last night was a big step actually. Usually my dreams are like 1 or 2 a week, and not even more fuzzy memories, just in total. I had more dreams last night than I have since I started.

Also, when your lucid, I know you can fly, and do whatever you want pretty much, but do others in your dream react as you please or how they would normally, or something else? Like if I went up to my professor and said FUCK YOU, but wanted him to react a certain way, would he do that or fail me for the semester like normal?




I honestly don't have any specific techniques I use to induce lucid dreaming, it just happens randomly and I'll be in the dream and say out loud things like "holy shit this is a dream" as I'm saying it to people in the dream. It's fucking fascinating. I'd say on average I lucid dream at least a few times a week, sometimes multiple times in one nights sleep.

I also smoke plenty of weed, some days copious amounts, and I always seem to dream and have at least some memory of them. A lot of people say when they smoke they can't remember their dreams at all/don't have dreams.

:shrug:

I've been smoking for many years though. Maybe it was different when I was a beginner, I don't remember though, in relation to dreaming that is. The effects were definitely MUCH different back then, I miss those weed highs so much.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #14575123 - 06/07/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah weed suppresses dreams or dream recollection


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14579826 - 06/08/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

most mind altering substances suppress dream recall.

at least in my experience


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: k00laid]
    #14579880 - 06/08/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

when i was really young, my bro told me about lucid dreams. Well that night i didnt really have a lucid dream but it what happened was people were asking me 2 play ball and i was saying hold on wait until this dream ends ..0_0 lol

fast forward a couple years later and i started practicing lucid dreaming by looking at my hand every  hour or so and asking myself " am i dreaming " in reality , i had 5 fingers ofcourse, in the dream world though, my hand either had more fingers , less fingers, or seemed warped and streched like one of those picture editing programs can do . this technique worked better then any other for me. I had 2-3 lucid dreams a couple nights after practicing. It varys tho, i've gone about a week with lucid dreams every night, and i've gone a month or two without one lucid dream. I eventually got lazy, quit the reality checks and stopped lucid dreaming except for some lucky times.

if you wanna make it into this habit, you should also write your dreams down whenever you remember them. It helps you recall them alot better.

as with pot, i use to rarely remember my dreams until i had a tbreak where i had very vivid dreams. but now that i write them down as much as i can im remembering them alot more then before, even with smoking daily.

lucid dreaming is an amazing thing, ive experimented alot in the years i've been doing it

-thumbprints
-flying
-teleport
-telekenesis
-don't forget sex! D:
-calling out to god , see what happens, actually i met "god" in that dream
-driving in your dream car
-floating
the list goes on and on... there is nothing you can't do in a lucid dream. I've even tried walking into a portal into another dimnension, though it was so crazy that i woke up a few seconds after.

another good tip, when you start lucid dreaming , and have your first lucid dream, try not to do all these crazy things, you can and most likely will get excited and wake up. Start low, walk around , obvserve the sceneries. if you feel your dream start to end, spin. seriously this helped me tons of times and prolonged my dreams by alot.

also, rub your hands together. it increases the vividness of your dream.

now i've been doing reality checks / writing down dreams for a couple years now, and have lucid dreams a couple times a week.

op : thats pretty crazy, but i agree with you dreams can be so vivid, even more vivid then real life. i suggest you do constant reality checks. think of dreams as another reality. anyways how can someone say than they arent more real then this "reality"..

a pic i found on google- kind of looks like my hand in a dream if i still have 5 fingers lol


i've never had sleep parilysis though. ive tried inducing it a couple times, never had any luck tho


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: explosivekush]
    #14581180 - 06/08/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Can you hunt and kill wild animals with your mind powers yet?

Reminds me of the hippy "shaman" who could talk to bears. Him and his girlfriend were accepted into the bear family. He decided to leave society and live with them. They were both eaten.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
    #14581400 - 06/08/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

lol. im talking about dreaming .. until u have a vivid lucid dream, you wont know how "real" they can actually feel. Sometimes more real than "reality". there is no limit to what you can do in a lucid dream. anything you can think of can be done. though like i said, don't ruin your first lucid experience by doing something too crazy, most likely you will get excited and wake up. take it slow and progress

@vttripper people in my lucid dreams usually react how i would want them to react. even non lucid dreams most of the time they will react how i would want them too. My dreams r the biggset mindfucks though.

for example :

i remember yesterday, i was walking a round outside, some random guy put a shotgun to my face and told me to sign a contract.I was thinking to myself *shit dont shoot* a random girl ran up at him and he tried shooting her, but there was no ammo in his gun. Then me and the girl proceeded to beat the shit out of him D: that wasnt lucid, but i remembered it pretty clearly

infact i got pointed at with guns many of times in lucid/ non lucid dreams, but for some reason i never got shot. Some people shot , but missed. and hell even if they do shoot you, trust me it will be a big dream sign because you wont feel shit. alot of my lucid dreams are induced not by looking at my hand in my dream, but something immpossible happening in my dream, or me just having a feeling that im dreaming, which happens alot these days but it all started with reality checks/ writing down dreams


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: explosivekush]
    #14581437 - 06/08/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

After your first lucid experience, is it easier to get them? Or is it just as much of a trek as working to the first to get to the second?


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #14581490 - 06/08/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

well it depends if you know what to do in your first lucid experience.

everytime you sleep at night, you should fall asleep saying to yourself that your going to have a lucid dream that night. try to also plan what you want to do in your lucid dream before you sleep. trust me it helps alot.

my first lucid experience i woke up by getting to excited. you gotta remain calm even tho its :feelsgoodman: . Try to just walk around, explore your surroundings , talk to people etc. rub your hands together to increase vividy. do whatever/ just dont do advanced things like fucking , flying etc. and if you feel your dream ending, rub your hands together , or spin. it prolongs my dream every time. you will know when you feel your dream ending in a lucid dream. some dreams are very lucid , some are barely

after my first lucid dream, i had another lucid dream that week. Everyone is different though. Some people take months to get their first lucid dream, some the same night , weeks etc.

if you stay consistent with your reality checks / dream journal [ writing dreams down ] it will come in no time.

its more of your rc's / dream journals that will make you get alot of ld's. i can't answer that, because it varys. but you will notice that lucid feeling and it will probably be easier than your first time.

dont give up, hell it can happen tonight,

last night was a good sign, make sure you write down all your dreams right after you wake up , in as much detail as you can. You will eventually [ tonight-days-months , varys ] you remember every dream. everyone dreams every night, sometimes you just dont remember them.

dreams are usually 15 mins to half an hour. But dream time is alot longer then normal time.  alot of my lucid dreams occur in the morning or when i wake up at night because when i am really tired and can fall asleep in seconds. this is because i can tell myself that im going to have a lucid dream seconds before i fall asleep. Usually when i wake up and fall back asleep like this though i only sleep for another hour or so because of work. but i can tell you that all of the times i remembered my dreams during those times, they felt alot longer , like 6-8 hours. its a fact that dream time feels longer then normal time.

i've actually lived a week in a dream before. was ackward as hell when i woke up lol

you should have a lucid dream soon, gl to you, you'll probably have one tonight :wink:

remember dreams are usually based on whats going on in your life/ day.
just talking about lucid dreaming , having your mind on it is helping alot, but still reality checks are a must , dream journals r very beneficial if you want to remember your dreams often and in detail, and also help with ld's.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: explosivekush]
    #14581740 - 06/08/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The easiest way to check if you are dreaming is to look at like a clock or book, something with writing or set numbers. In the dream the words will not make sense in the book, or the clocks numbers will be out of wack.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: explosivekush]
    #14584704 - 06/09/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i've been shot, stabbed, and bitten by both spiders and snakes. in fact, i dreamt i stepped in a snake pit last night and let me tell you, every one of those experiences hurt like shit. woke up from the pain each time.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14584717 - 06/09/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i got stabbed in a lucid dream :[

obviously wasnt very lucid, huh

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    #14584737 - 06/09/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

idk man, ive been stabbed in lucid dreams as well and i was totally lucid too. i think that at first lucidity is hard to apply to the full dream sequence (i.e. others in the sequence) but over time it becomes easy.


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    #14584759 - 06/09/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I always wanted to have awesome sex in a lucid dream.

So one time years ago when I managed to find myself lucid and dreaming, I tried to do just that. It was pretty weird. Somehow it ended up that I was a whale having sex with another whale in the ocean, I forgot I was dreaming quickly I think. ??? What the fuck does that mean?


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: drr]
    #14584776 - 06/09/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

omg, the sex ive had in dreams.

allll my higschool crushes just got completely wrecked.


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    #14584782 - 06/09/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

holy shit dude i have no idea lol. i don't apply too much meaning to dreams. we just dont know enough about them to really say for certain that they do have meaning. it could have been that you fell asleep watching  planet earth: oceans, or it could be that you have a thing for whales :tongue: we just really don't know their significance


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14584868 - 06/09/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

A couple nights ago, I got drunk in a dream. I had a bottle of wine to myself =P


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
    #14584891 - 06/09/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have yet to get to the point where I can control where I am and who else is there etc. but within these randomly generated scenarios by my subconscious I do become lucid and aware that I am in a dream and that my body is asleep in my bed.

Btw one technique I read years ago when researching lucid dreaming that I've actually used with good results is if you feel like you're about to slip out of the dream and wake up look down at your hands, stare at them, and it can keep you in the dream longer.

I've read another technique about if you spin around and imagine in your mind what you want the dream setting to be it will be there when you turn around, but I tried that and it didn't work for me.


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    #14585362 - 06/09/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

that can work

when ever i want something to change in my dream , i just think about it

if i want jessica alba to pop up behind me so i can fuck her brains out, i will think to myself that she is going to pop up behind me , or around a corner or watever, and it never failed me.

the problem i have with ld's though is that if i close my eyes in the lucid dream, when i open them i will be awake in bed. but i found a solution to this. if you do find that your eyes are closed in a dream and have the same problem as me, keep them closed. you will go into another dream setting

to the whale-whale sex thing, stuff like that happens. id recommend to do not so crazy stuff the first couple of times b/c ppl get excited and  things like that happen.

one time i was having sex, and the person kept changing forms right infront of me. i told her to stop changing and she did lol..

your the god in your ld D: if you ever find yourself in a situation where u can get stabbed or shot, think of yourself with super powers..
it never failed me, i would just swing my arm in the air pass him and he would go flying haha


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: explosivekush]
    #14586180 - 06/09/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus I want to lucid dream soo bad. Can't wait for it


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Acidfox]
    #20845971 - 11/16/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Acidfox said:
For many weeks I have practiced lucid dreaming. In ways you cannot

imagine, it makes dreams feel like real life. Recently I have been

getting confused because dreams have become so real ( I might be

dreaming right now) that I often find it difficult to tell the

difference between real life and my lucid dreaming subconscious. It

feels as if I am living in 2 lives, and when my dream crosses between

places I go in real life, it really trips me up. I have discontinued

lucid dreaming practice as of yesterday. Another example of what i mean

is on some occasions I had to question myself of what I was doing like

speaking in front of people. I get the same sensation in real life as

I do in dreams and it is very confusing for me, I guess my question

here today is: HOW DO I GET OUT?




I know the OP have posted this a long time ago, but I have an answer to whats going on.

If you search in youtube, there is a guy named darryl anka or bashar, who explains these kind of things, you can google bashar summer solstice event and at the first video named the awakening he is talking about lucid dreams.

He explains that right now, we are dreaming, a persistant dream, when we die or pass out, we actually wake up, our soul, the real us wakes up from the physical dream and after that he chooses his next adventure.

Now bashar or darryl anka, speaks that the more awake you become in your lucid dream the more easily you will be able to tap into the blueprint of physyical reality, and will be able to change things, like certain events that literry happen next day in physical reality, this is why we go to sleep, so we can reconnect to our soul, so we can upload our experience to our soul and as bashar says to choose what to play out next day.

So in a way, this is how people have been able to predict the future from their dreams, because they were actually into the blueprint level, where the possibilities of the future were knows, and certain scenarios were being made so the physical you experience them. So overall this is a gateway to ascention, understanding that the physical life that we are having right now is a dream.

Now when you go to sleep,start dreaming, and know that you are dreaming what is the first thing you do? For me its to jump in the air and start flying, this is how Jesus healed people, made water into wine and all sort of these things, because he knew he was just dreaming and he knew that he can do these kind of stuff, now how and why you may ask, well first lets talk about manifestations and the law of attraction.
They say that whatever you think about this is what you attract, and the other thing is that, you experience only the things you believe are possible and you are the person you believe you are right now, so overall at the end, people say that our own reality is created by our beliefs the same as the dream world is created by our beliefs, like you believe there is some kind of a monster behind the dark corner and that its going to get you, and in a second some monster jumps out and starts chasing you, its all the same, so  back to my point:
when you know that your reality right now is based by your beliefs, if you believe that you are dreaming right now, I mean believe consciously and unconsciously what is stopping you from flying? Or healing the blind people or making water into wine? People meditate so they can ascend, maybe what they are really doing is trying to stay awake and be awake into their dreams so they can finally understand that the physical life is actually a dream.

I registered only to post this, because its really interesting, and I would like for other people not to get freaked by what's "not" normal and what not, because the biggest fear is not that you will go insane, the biggest fear is that you will understand that this is actually one big persistant dream, in other words, your parents, your friends, everyone and everything is one big lie, its not real, its a dream, but in time you will understand, that you are a soul that chose to dream how he is born, in a physical world, how he grows up, gets old and experinces all these wonderful things, and understanding and finding and looking himself from another point of view, from another perspective, to say I was there, I have done that, it was nice.
Sorry for the long post. :laugh:
And here is a link to the video
you can find the full video if you google bashar summer solistice/


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: VTtripper]
    #21212794 - 02/01/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)



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