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Acidfox
Are you who you say you are?

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Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough
#14567450 - 06/05/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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For many weeks I have practiced lucid dreaming. In ways you cannot
imagine, it makes dreams feel like real life. Recently I have been
getting confused because dreams have become so real ( I might be
dreaming right now) that I often find it difficult to tell the
difference between real life and my lucid dreaming subconscious. It
feels as if I am living in 2 lives, and when my dream crosses between
places I go in real life, it really trips me up. I have discontinued
lucid dreaming practice as of yesterday. Another example of what i mean
is on some occasions I had to question myself of what I was doing like
speaking in front of people. I get the same sensation in real life as
I do in dreams and it is very confusing for me, I guess my question
here today is: HOW DO I GET OUT?
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GuruBushHippie
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Acidfox]
#14567491 - 06/06/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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stuck in the void huh? youre on the right track, just don't go lucid for a while and your dreams should go back to normal. i take 5-htp to help facilitate my dreams and make them more vivid so i feel like this all the time too. I personally enjoy it, sorry to hear it's uncomfortable for you. Good luck!
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LSDylan
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#14567794 - 06/06/11 02:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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hes in limbo
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fudge
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: LSDylan]
#14567854 - 06/06/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can't believe anyone hasn't suggested this yet. Get a "thing" like they've got in inception. A hollow tree figurine with metal in it, so only you know how much it weighs or... Something...
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azay

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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: fudge]
#14567890 - 06/06/11 03:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know the problem. When I was into lucid dreaming eventually I started feeling like for each waking hour I spent a month in dream land. Things got awkward and my dream memories started interfering with my waking memories. Lucid dreaming is more awesome than any drug I've ever done for sure. There are no limits except for your imagination and self control. If you push it far, it is beyond any psychedelic.
I still remember my first lucid dream where I could control my environment. I became lucid on a beach and I opened the sea like Moses. Too bad I don't think it's worth the time it takes to achieve very good lucid dreaming skills. After all it's just entertainment and spending all time with these routines to achieve lucidity is just not worth it I think...
Just stop lucid dreaming and after a while everything will return to normal.
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maug



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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: azay]
#14567944 - 06/06/11 03:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Take some Seroquil, Benadryl, or any other hallucinogenic deleriant tranq. If you can stay awake and alert, and it will come easily. Feel the sensation in your eyes when you're hallucinating. They will probably be closed. lol.
Ginkgo Biloba or ginseng for presence of mind.
If you do yoga or anything like that, then always open the heart chakra before the head chakra.
-------------------- I think nighttime is dark so you can imagine your fears with less distraction. -Calvin and Hobbes
Edited by maug (06/06/11 03:54 AM)
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Constantine
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: fudge]
#14568043 - 06/06/11 04:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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fudge said: I can't believe anyone hasn't suggested this yet. Get a "thing" like they've got in inception. A hollow tree figurine with metal in it, so only you know how much it weighs or... Something...
Since he would get used to seeing it IRL, he would end up seeing it in his dreams too, so that wouldn't work.
I have to admit I feel envious though, I've been trying to become lucid for a few weeks with no success yet.. Just quit lucid dreaming for a few weeks, hope it'll come back to normal
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Zzzarathustra



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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Constantine]
#14568046 - 06/06/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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most people want to get in on it, not get out. It's not as easy to achieve it...
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Dawks
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Acidfox]
#14568059 - 06/06/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol OP, I like that feeling. Sometimes I'll be walking along and wonder: "Am I really here, or am I still sitting at the couch? have I fallen asleep? maybe I'm going to mad, there's no way that dragon over there is real... or have dragons always been real and I've simply forgotten?"
In the end I think it's important to just go with the flow and not worry about whether your dreaming or not, after all there is no "real" it's all just an illusion, both your dreams and your realities - so just go with the flow and allow the two to merge into a spectacular new lifestyle.
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jingus

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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Dawks]
#14568085 - 06/06/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP: read this short story by Gabriel Garcia Marquez called 'Ojos de perro azul'
It is about the seperate realities of dreaming vs waking life.
Its in spanish, but you can find it in english also.
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pcnubie
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
#14568330 - 06/06/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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maug said: Take some Seroquil, Benadryl, or any other hallucinogenic deleriant tranq. If you can stay awake and alert, and it will come easily. Feel the sensation in your eyes when you're hallucinating. They will probably be closed. lol.
Ginkgo Biloba or ginseng for presence of mind.
If you do yoga or anything like that, then always open the heart chakra before the head chakra.
DO NOT take seroquel if you are trying to distance yourself from vivid lucid dreams, i am prescribed seroquel, it is an anti-psychotic and will produce some of the most vivid dreams that you can ever have. if you take this you really will have trouble discerning the real from the fictitious. Even on the pharmacy warnings the label says, may cause vivid dreams.
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GuruBushHippie
MountainMan


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: pcnubie]
#14568600 - 06/06/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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pcnubie said:
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maug said: Take some Seroquil, Benadryl, or any other hallucinogenic deleriant tranq. If you can stay awake and alert, and it will come easily. Feel the sensation in your eyes when you're hallucinating. They will probably be closed. lol.
Ginkgo Biloba or ginseng for presence of mind.
If you do yoga or anything like that, then always open the heart chakra before the head chakra.
DO NOT take seroquel if you are trying to distance yourself from vivid lucid dreams, i am prescribed seroquel, it is an anti-psychotic and will produce some of the most vivid dreams that you can ever have. if you take this you really will have trouble discerning the real from the fictitious. Even on the pharmacy warnings the label says, may cause vivid dreams.
yeah man, don't reach for seroquel. i got put on the same type of pharm (i don't take it.) When i did take it my dreams were vivid and terrifying, worse than bad trip terrifying and it was like i couldn't wake myself (it wasn't SP, i have that too.) If you're gonna medicate before bed just have a few beers and/or get really high, it'll make your dreams less vivid. I personally say just stop doing reality checks in your dreams and apply them back to real life.
-------------------- Two roads diverged in a wood, and I cut straight through the forest, and that has made all the difference.
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maug



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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#14569278 - 06/06/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know they are real-like hallucinations. But that's the point. You take some in the morning, after you've slept so you're clear-headed and won't be as drowsey, you know what's going to happen, and you learn to tell the difference. I've had those paralyzing terrors too, but I've never had a problem with distinguishing them from reality. If you start to get strange dreams, or weird deja vu, or surreal feelings, that's a strong sign that things are only going to get even stranger if you keep on taking them. You're both right, it may be best for the op to not do this now.
I heard Robert Anton Wilson say in an interview that when you open the 6th chakra before the 4th, then you have nothing to ground you and pull you back, so it's possible to then go insane.
-------------------- I think nighttime is dark so you can imagine your fears with less distraction. -Calvin and Hobbes
Edited by maug (06/06/11 01:08 PM)
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Daniel11
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: maug]
#14569440 - 06/06/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP an easy way to test if you're dreaming or not is to plug your nose and try to breath out
if there's airflow then your dreaming if not then you're awake.
Or you can look at a watch or a mirror, they are always distorted in dreams.
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Shrewmz


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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Daniel11]
#14569458 - 06/06/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I lol'd, now I wanna get stuck in limbo too
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FleshCap
FleshCap



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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Shrewmz]
#14569485 - 06/06/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't look at it as being "stuck". You've made progress. Rather than trying to go back to your old state, see if you can take it another step further.
or as that too scary?
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GuruBushHippie
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: FleshCap]
#14569519 - 06/06/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with fleshcap. I've had mutual lucid dreams before. I went to look for my buddy and he came looking me. We chilled and got high and were both able to recall it without prior planning to try and do it.
-------------------- Two roads diverged in a wood, and I cut straight through the forest, and that has made all the difference.
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MR SYL3NT
Silly



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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: GuruBushHippie]
#14569541 - 06/06/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That sounds unreal, I've achieved some sort of lucid dreaming, but have never gotten close to that deep. Mutual lucid dreaming... that shits blowing my mind.
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drr

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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: Daniel11]
#14569639 - 06/06/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Smoke pot.
I smoke tons of pot and I can't remember a single dream. Maybe I come back with a little piece of a dream once a month or so. On a night where I didn't smoke for a few hours before bed.
Not that it's a good thing at all. I miss dreaming. This is one of the reasons I should quit/cut back.
But for you it might just help.
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Daniel11 said: OP an easy way to test if you're dreaming or not is to plug your nose and try to breath out
if there's airflow then your dreaming if not then you're awake.
Or you can look at a watch or a mirror, they are always distorted in dreams.
Yes, or look at a clock, flip a light switch, just test things for proper functioning.
Speaking of dreaming and mirrors...I had a really vivid dream once where I was watching myself in the bathroom mirror. It was quite freaky actually. My face looked more like a mask of my face molded from plastic. I could close my eyes and see into yet another dream dimension beyond the one I was in - a different place but I can't remember the details. And opening my eyes again I would see my spooky plastic reflection in the mirror. I was under the impression in my dream that I was awake and looking into the mirror (the plastic face should have tipped me off, but you know how irrational we can be in a dream), but with eyes closed I would be thrust instantly into a dream that I was aware of. It sends chills down my spine thinking about it honestly.
Hey, what about sleep paralysis? That is what really scares me about lucid dreaming. When I was having lucid dreams often, I would also experience the terrifying sleep paralysis once in a while, and that always scared me away. I think sleep paralysis is the beginning state from which one can astral project. Similar to lucid dreaming, maybe it is just a lucid dream, or maybe more. You can literally step out of your body and watch yourself sleep. But my problem is, the paralysis state is so incredibly frightening, that I can not go any farther. When I find myself in that state I automatically panic and want to wake up.
One really bad instance of sleep paralysis was my most intense psychedelic experience ever. The dream world is so much more powerful than we accept it to be. I was paralyzed in my bed and I could hear this mechanical noise close by that was just plain scary. Looking back I think it was probably the fan in the room or something. Commonly in sleep paralysis I will be trying with all of my will power to scream for help, but nothing comes out. I will try to move but I am stuck. It is seriously the scariest thing I have ever experienced. I tried to sit up in bed, and as I did so, it was like my forehead cracked the thin, cheap facade of a reality hanging over me, it shattered into millions of tiny pieces, and the bed underneath me was gone, I was falling in an infinite abyss of blackness amongst the shattered pieces of my dream. And then I finally woke up sweating/shaking and could not go back to sleep for the rest of the night. Now honestly I haven't had many vivid dreams since that experience. Nor one single instance of sleep paralysis. I think I have subconsciously shut myself off from my dream world in some sort of attempt to protect myself from the horrors of sleep paralysis. Because now I wake up with an absolutely blank memory of my sleep time, every time. Which is a bummer because I really enjoy dreaming.
I really do think the pot has a lot to do with it though.
Edited by drr (06/06/11 02:24 PM)
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VTtripper
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Re: Lucid Dreaming- Unthinkable breakthrough [Re: drr]
#14569781 - 06/06/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pot does have something to do with it. I read somewhere that alcohol and weed both do something to suppress dreams.
How the hell are you guys getting so lucid?? I've been trying for the past few weeks and to no avail.
I want to give up but at the same time I want to have these crazy experiences you all speak of. My problem is not getting lucid; I haven't even gotten there. I don't fucking dream! How can I start to dream? Or is it possible that I AM dreaming and I don't remember them? I only get like 7 hours of sleep a night, could that be the problem?
Edited by VTtripper (06/06/11 03:03 PM)
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