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JimLahey
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Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca
#14567418 - 06/05/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So a theme in the last few trips I have had with smoked DMT is that the entities keep mentioning ayahuasca (but they are talking about it in their own language). And after lots of thought about this I think I am going to do ayahuasca as I believe that I am ready for it (although you can never truly be ready for such an amazing thing). I was just wondering if anyone can compare and contrast using Mimosa or Psychotria Viridis. Are their effects really different from each other?
Possible recipes: (please give me other recommendations or tips) 1g MHRB 50g Yellow Caapi
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50g Psychotria Viridis 50g Yellow Caapi
Thanks in advanced for any help
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: JimLahey]
#14567468 - 06/05/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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1g MH seems a bit too low. 6-8g range seems better. If you want to go with the mimosa try the lemon juice /tea that Nature Boy does.
Its 8 grams 2.5 P. harmala
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JimLahey
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: FrenchFryed]
#14568723 - 06/06/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was told not to go over 3g...but maybe that is 3g for the first time. If the mimosa is of good quality 3g= 300mg-400mg DMT..... So that is why I figured 1g would be enough
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: JimLahey]
#14568791 - 06/06/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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8 grams of mimosa hostilis is a good trip, I wouldn't do less than that. MHRB is typically consistent and you are guaranteed a trip if you cook up 8 grams of MHRB with 50 grams of caapi.
The problem with psychotria viridis is that it is often inconsistent. Even reliable vendors often get weak shit. If you really want to try psychotria viridis, buy a few hundred grams of it and work your way up starting with forty or fifty grams. This way after you determine its potency you still have a lot left.
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the entities keep mentioning ayahuasca (but they are talking about it in their own language)
Be careful when this shit starts happening. You're teetering on the line between sanity and insanity and its all fun and games until their message is a hostile or self-destructive one.
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: JimLahey]
#14568889 - 06/06/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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JimLahey said: I was told not to go over 3g...but maybe that is 3g for the first time. If the mimosa is of good quality 3g= 300mg-400mg DMT..... So that is why I figured 1g would be enough
Good mimosa is around 1% DMT which would be around 30mg in 3 grams not 300mg.
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
#14568916 - 06/06/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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joemolloy said:
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the entities keep mentioning ayahuasca (but they are talking about it in their own language)
Be careful when this shit starts happening. You're teetering on the line between sanity and insanity and its all fun and games until their message is a hostile or self-destructive one.
I dont think I am teetering on the line of sanity and insanity, I think the message of me DMT trips just have been that I should give ayahuasca a go, since it is the only way to truly experience what DMT has to offer. This has been over the span of about 10 trips in 5 months on DMT.... I am not too worried about being insane or self-destructive. If anything, everyone of my psychedelic experiences has taught me to live life in a way less destructive manner.
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
#14568937 - 06/06/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: 8 grams of mimosa hostilis is a good trip, I wouldn't do less than that. MHRB is typically consistent and you are guaranteed a trip if you cook up 8 grams of MHRB with 50 grams of caapi.
The problem with psychotria viridis is that it is often inconsistent. Even reliable vendors often get weak shit. If you really want to try psychotria viridis, buy a few hundred grams of it and work your way up starting with forty or fifty grams. This way after you determine its potency you still have a lot left.
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the entities keep mentioning ayahuasca (but they are talking about it in their own language)
Be careful when this shit starts happening. You're teetering on the line between sanity and insanity and its all fun and games until their message is a hostile or self-destructive one.
I've never received a hostile or self-destructive message from DMT entities. It is always surprisingly insightful and usually related to self-improvement or self transformation.
I think DMT draws back the curtain on the functioning of one's own consciousness, and the 'entities' (either real entities or fractured assemblies of one's psyche - it does not matter to me which is true) draw upon your own self image and what you expect from a DMT trip. If you expect self transcendence and transformation, you will get something related to that. This is the importance of setting an intention for the experience.
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: JimLahey]
#14568952 - 06/06/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, to the OP -
I MUST recommend the use of banisteriopsis caapi - the true ayahuasca vine - over the use of peganum harmala - syrian rue.
Syrian rue is a much different plant, with an extremely different character than ayahuasca even though their alkaloid profiles appear to be similar.
Also, syrian rue contains chemicals which may be toxic and abortifacient if one does not perform a salt-precipitation (Manske extraction) before consumption.
It is best to stick with caapi for now.
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I've never received a hostile or self-destructive message from DMT entities. It is always surprisingly insightful and usually related to self-improvement or self transformation.
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If anything, everyone of my psychedelic experiences has taught me to live life in a way less destructive manner.
I get it. I'm just saying at some point my trips gradually transitioned from insightful and transformational into something else, much less constructive and this change was gradual, subtle and still seductive but ultimately fucked up. Enjoy your trips and grow, but be careful because its a game and sometimes you forget that you're just playing and the difference between winning and losing is not at all obvious. Hopefully you'll never see that side of it, REO, you've been at it for a while so maybe you figured it out or at least have healthy drug habits. Many of us struggle.
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Thanks a lot Reo! I was not even going to consider rue, I am thinking of doing the traditional brew and making a large batch so I can save it and try different doses. HAve you tried mimosa instead of chacruna? What do you feel are the real differences.
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: muistrue]
#14569033 - 06/06/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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FractalDust said:
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JimLahey said: I was told not to go over 3g...but maybe that is 3g for the first time. If the mimosa is of good quality 3g= 300mg-400mg DMT..... So that is why I figured 1g would be enough
Good mimosa is around 1% DMT which would be around 30mg in 3 grams not 300mg.
I'd love to get myself some MHRB with 10% DMT!
3g MHRB isn't much considering oral DMT requires a bit more than smoked DMT(40-60mg range).You can always make more tea and drink a bit more than half. If you feel you can go deeper drink the rest.
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: Also, to the OP -
I MUST recommend the use of banisteriopsis caapi - the true ayahuasca vine - over the use of peganum harmala - syrian rue.
Syrian rue is a much different plant, with an extremely different character than ayahuasca even though their alkaloid profiles appear to be similar.
Also, syrian rue contains chemicals which may be toxic and abortifacient if one does not perform a salt-precipitation (Manske extraction) before consumption.
It is best to stick with caapi for now.
I recommend using ayahuasca over rue as well. The alkaloid profiles are a lot different too. Ayahuasca mainly contains tetrahydroharmine while rue mainly contains harmine and harmaline with little to no THH.
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: FrenchFryed]
#14569072 - 06/06/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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FrenchFryed said:
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FractalDust said:
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JimLahey said: I was told not to go over 3g...but maybe that is 3g for the first time. If the mimosa is of good quality 3g= 300mg-400mg DMT..... So that is why I figured 1g would be enough
Good mimosa is around 1% DMT which would be around 30mg in 3 grams not 300mg.
I'd love to get myself some MHRB with 10% DMT!
3g MHRB isn't much considering oral DMT requires a bit more than smoked DMT(40-60mg range).You can always make more tea and drink a bit more than half. If you feel you can go deeper drink the rest.
Woops I did my math wrong, 1.5% of 1g would be 15mg... so I should start off with something like 6 then?
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
I MUST recommend the use of banisteriopsis caapi.
How much would you recommend using? And I'm guessing if I just buy the dried vine online, that would be good, right? And is there anything I need to do to prepare the vine? Thanks!
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Re: Mimosahuasca vs. Ayahuasca [Re: JimLahey]
#14569939 - 06/06/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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JimLahey said: Woops I did my math wrong, 1.5% of 1g would be 15mg... so I should start off with something like 6 then?
You got it. Remember to fast the recommended +12 hours before you ingest your tea
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