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Offlinerempty
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24/7 visuals
    #14567183 - 06/05/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey shroomery,

I'm 19, a chronic marijuana smoker
I've experimented with LSD, shrooms, dmt, salvia, countless other drugs, all in the past though, been clean of psychedelics for about a year now.



I've had permanent LSD-esque visuals for the past year.  So the walls breath, my surroundings expand, the floor swirls, buildings and objects glitch out, move.  I also see black swirls and dots all of the time, right in front of my face, wisping and flying around.  "Floater objects", little geometric shapes.  And "visual snow", or a static fuzz, surrounding me in the air.   

I'd like to hear someone say they also have all of this?  Is this a permanent side effect from my drug use?  Is this good?  Is this bad?  Is it shaman?

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: rempty]
    #14567246 - 06/05/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's called hppd. I have it slightly from doing 2cp like 30 times in 2 1/2 months. Yes it was stupid. All I get is visual snow like you were saying though. Abusing phenethylamines seems to cause it really fast though. Since I haven't done 2cp and only shrooms like once since then it's started to get a lot better. But alcohol or pot will make it flare up again. I'd suggest taking a complete break from drugs for a while.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: rempty]
    #14567255 - 06/05/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Is this good?  Is this bad?




Seems as though that would be entirely up to you doesn't it?  I could see it going either way...

Anyway search HPPD you'll find lots of stuff.


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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: rempty]
    #14567288 - 06/05/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lol shaman.

It's the way things are. Kids forget this because there is absolutely no focus on it and just as you forget to write with your left hand (or ever start) we forget or don't practice this ability and it fades out of our awareness in due time. It is not good or bad, just the way things are. You can start to mess with it or understand it more by staring at objects for 1-5 minutes (or even longer) and see the way their form becomes one with everything or see the way they are holographic energy or whatever you see.

It's shaman to be a species living in truth.

Also, disregard the post above mine. HPPD is a label for a natural ability everyone has but disregards because of the ignorance of our society today. It is nothing to be feared like the labeling entity attempts to do. It is not from 2cp, it is not from shrooms, it is not from pot or alcohol. It can be enforced by these substance that stretch your 'field of awareness' but that's all. I'm very tired right now to go into a raging debate over it but I have spent much time studying this manner as it showed up in my life around your age. It's nothing to worry about, don't regard the confinements of a single word created to categorize and subjectify the truth.

tl;dr: you're alright brother. Nothing to worry about.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: OneU]
    #14567316 - 06/05/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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MLDSMDA said:
It's called hppd. I have it slightly from doing 2cp like 30 times in 2 1/2 months. Yes it was stupid. All I get is visual snow like you were saying though. Abusing phenethylamines seems to cause it really fast though. Since I haven't done 2cp and only shrooms like once since then it's started to get a lot better. But alcohol or pot will make it flare up again. I'd suggest taking a complete break from drugs for a while.



As much as this is an ok opinion to have, it is completely false. It is not caused by abusing anything, it is not caused by 2cp or mushrooms, it is not caused by over or under doing drugs. It just is. I have seen it in people who do not ever use any substances, in people who use substances. It exists in some people without usage of psychedelics (minus the wall breathing which is an interpretation based on the expanded mind in conjugation with spirit/physical).

Opinions are nice but the reason the term HPPD exists is because many people who used psychedelics didn't have any references to go by when they started to see things 'differently' so more and more patients led to the common term HPPD. Hallucinogen Persisting perceptual or perception disorder. It matters not either way, it's believing what you wish to believe.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: OneU]
    #14567356 - 06/05/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Also, disregard the post above mine. HPPD is a label for a natural ability everyone has but disregards because of the ignorance of our society today.




Well that may be true.  It is, however, also true that by searching HPPD the guy can finds volumes of info from people experiencing what he is experiencing and perhaps find something relevant to his situation. 

You think he's posting here to not find out more about what he's experiencing? 

:lol:


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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: Cups]
    #14567402 - 06/05/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Your post wasn't above mine when I wrote it but nonetheless, your post is reinforcing the dream state and it's labels. I could care less unless someone is in a fragile state of mind with a seemingly new obscuration removed being told distorted knowledge. I have physicist and ophthalmologist acquaintances who have shared with me many of the 'similarities' of this label HPPD and the truth about eyes. I've dissected eyes myself (of dead people for research based studies) and have seen the cause of it. It has to do with many things regarding the eye.

In the eye you have this thing called the vitreous humour which is the liquid in the eye. After around the age of 35 the RPE and Retina begin to separate mildly. This causes the small (mostly microscopic) tissue to be released from the gap causing floaters or fuzzes or little worms or what some people assume are spirits. It is very visible looking at a blank blue sky. Now, this can also be caused by severe eye pressure, something hitting the front of the head/face region causing a rupture in this vitreous fluid that releases small amounts of this tissue. However, since it is in the eye and a small, small part of the retina processes the 'images' your brain analyzes, it is seen as larger than microscopic.


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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: OneU]
    #14567415 - 06/05/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I like OneU's explanation the most because it makes me feel good

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: rempty]
    #14567457 - 06/05/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Understandable but kinda lame dude.


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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: rempty]
    #14567471 - 06/05/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I provided a more 'scientific' based explanation. I don't like to lean towards science in simple things but since there is a small dispute, I threw it out there.

All is well though. The reason most people (this is in my opinion) notice it after psychedelic usage is because when one goes under a hallucinatory substance, the come down is very bizarre. As if all sense of reality was broken and the pieces are being rebuilt. Now, this may cause a different oriented view on life, the body, the mind, the collective consciousness, whatever. So when they start to 'notice' these things after it is because they went from a sort of pushed direction (caused by the ego, society and it's fears) to a more authentic direction of the natural self. This is one of the main reasons Terence Mckenna said one who hasn't used psychedelics is akin to someone who has not had sex in this lifetime.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: OneU]
    #14567544 - 06/06/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

See I believe that now while my brain is functioning at an increased speed, my surroundings must also move around, because if it were all stationary, i think i'd go crazy and tense from boredom and structure, no?  Should my world not evolve as I do?

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: rempty]
    #14567575 - 06/06/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The external is a mere reflection of the internal. Thus, the 'be the example you want to see in the world'. By changing or undoing something inside, you project it outside. It's part of the beliefs we have and the illusions we hold on to. Even these words are a step too far. You are the God of your world. What you believe or don't, what you filter or don't is precisely what you will observe. Unless one undoes  all filters, all beliefs, all prejudices and all preferences, it will always be as distorted or undistorted as you are. I'm sorry if this doesn't make much sense but I am going to go to sleep.

Contemplate on yourself tonight if you can. Sit and simply be. Listen to everything around you with all of your perceptions, whether it be your 5 senses, your energy body, your thoughts, all of them. Just listen. It helps to stop controlling or dominating or projecting and just being.

Love you brother. Blessings.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: OneU]
    #14567712 - 06/06/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have the permanent visuals as well.
Mine were from taking too much lsd and then quickly switching to mushrooms then ayahuasca.
They do decrease with time and are nothing to be worried about unless you plan on having a lightsabre duel in a dark room :lol:
Worrying about it and focusing on it only makes it more obvious.

Some people may experience these visual distortions without ever have taken a psychedelic simply because they have a chemical imbalance of sorts.

After images, or popularly termed tracers,trails  have been known to be symptoms of individuals with high anxiety and a number of other disorders which is why benzodiazepines are often prescribed to patients who are thought to have HPPD.

Psychedelics can influence brain chemistry sometimes with long lasting effects. The visual distortions are usually the result of the brain receiving information from the senses at a higher rate than normal and i believe serotonin plays a big role in that.

I suggest, if you really enjoy marijuana, simply try not overdoing it.
Get a little high instead of getting that heart pounding super blaze.

I would also like to emphasize that you shouldn't start giving importance or meaning to these visual distortions.
Spiritual people will often tell you that your spirit is heightened or that you're vibrating at a higher frequency or a number of other interesting theories.
However, take it from my personal experience, the only way you will ever "catch" that spirit that seems to run away from the corner of your eye, is if your mind decides to fabricate it for you one day.


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: rempty]
    #14568111 - 06/06/11 05:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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rempty said:
I like OneU's explanation the most because it makes me feel good





Hahaha, there's the S&M forum for ya.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: OneU]
    #14569112 - 06/06/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've always had slight visual snow, but after I abused 2cp it exploded. I've done much more acid and shrooms than I have 2cp, and it didn't happen until I dosed on it so much in a short period. However, maybe you should ask someone a bit more about what they think about it before you go labeling their opinions as false. I agree with you for the most part, however hppd is the only word I have to describe what I'm experiencing therefor I use it. It does not bother me though. I feel like it's almost like being able to see objects vibrating, since matter is just energy at an extremely low rate of vibration.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: MLDSMDA]
    #14569138 - 06/06/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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MLDSMDA said:
I've always had slight visual snow, but after I abused 2cp it exploded. I've done much more acid and shrooms than I have 2cp, and it didn't happen until I dosed on it so much in a short period. However, maybe you should ask someone a bit more about what they think about it before you go labeling their opinions as false. I agree with you for the most part, however hppd is the only word I have to describe what I'm experiencing therefor I use it. It does not bother me though. I feel like it's almost like being able to see objects vibrating, since matter is just energy at an extremely low rate of vibration.




If you spoke of some spiritual or mental or dream state experience you had, I would never jump in and say "THAT IS FALSE". But someone is confused about something and whatever intention you may put behind a word, he sees the word, not the intention, and therefore is no more or less than anyone else who uses the word HPPD to categorize and label something they do not fully understand. Changing the human language on an individual basis rather than a collective basis causes misinterpretations which further the confusion and distortion.

JivJan provides a good point but it also occurs with macular degeneration which mostly occurs in older people (from 35+ usually, sometimes in late 40s and 50s), it occurs in people with chronic migraines, it occurs in people with epilepsy, it occurs in many different groups of people which do not share a single psychedelic usage. 'Chemical imbalances' is a term anyone can use to explain any out of the ordinary phenomenon. It always will make sense because an imbalance is the root cause of every single issue in this world.

Just go with your intuitive thought though. If you feel you should go see a doctor and take some medications to sedate this experience or feel something is wrong or misplaces, go with it. If not, then let it be and come back into your center. Blessings.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: rempty]
    #14569390 - 06/06/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Although I'll probably get flamed for this, I do see it as a side effect of abusing psychedelics, i.e, using a lot in a short period of time without time for grounding and reflection. Psychedelics can be a powerful and wonderful tool, but just like a hammer they can be used for both creation and destruction. This is just my opinion. I'd say get yourself set up with a healthy diet, exercise and time outdoors in the sun while laying off drugs for a while. However, if it doesn't bother you at all and somehow adds a positive benefit to your life, disregard everything I said.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14570248 - 06/06/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Dehydration and malnutrition also intensify it. As does improper sleep. Being unhealthy to be honest seems to intensify it.

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Re: 24/7 visuals [Re: OneU]
    #14579477 - 06/08/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Of course some aspects of the extra visual effects are due to things going on in the eye but that doesn't explain things like geometric patterns or breathing walls. Let's be honest with ourselves here, this is an obvious effect of psychoactive substance use.

Look how water dripping down a window tends to follow a previously carved path. The same effect is going on in the brain; psychoactives trigger pathways that light up your visual field with patterns and other things. High doses or regular use will cause these pathways to light up intensely making it much easier for signals to flow in that direction in future - just like water dripping down a window. When neurons repeatedly fire in a particular pattern they tend to remember that pattern for the future. This process is how any kind of learning works in the human brain, HPPD is just a side effect.


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