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Rumblefishtwist
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Eminence]
#15601636 - 01/01/12 03:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bronco, I would not take that as a 'test booster' like Frylock is saying that sounds like a pro-hormone. Beastdrol/Superdrol are known PH's which are basically oral steroids. So do you have a PCT lined up? Do you guys who cycle get blood work done to see what your levels are awhile after PCT? I have heard this is the safe way, so you know when you have recovered, or to see if your natural test dropped etc. I know some people who cycle that don't get bloods done though. : () that is the part that scares me is the natural test never returning to its pre-cycle level.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
#15601708 - 01/01/12 03:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like n.o. xplode for preworkout...although I have never tried jacked. I have tried c4 extreme and that one kinda sucked IMO. N.O. is kind of pricey but I really like it works good and makes your veins pop up something nasty. Other than that I just take a amplified protein shake for post workout and as maybe a meal sub in the morning.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
#15601729 - 01/01/12 03:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Superdrol's actually a designer steroid, stronger than a prohormone, prohormones have to be converted by ingestion to be active so beastdrol is actually a legit steroid just like anadrol or dianobol, and it's a damn good one too. Which is why it's being banned early 2012, I'm gonna miss the easy access to that stuff. 
I've only gotten blood work done once, Idk how many people would consider it wreckless but it tends to be pretty easy to figure out when you're not back to normal, I think it's more important to get blood tests done before rather than after. And I think checking things like cholesterol and BP are more important than test levels. That's why Nelson Montana and Bill Roberts advocate shorter higher dose cycles, less time to fuck anything up.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: thodub]
#15601737 - 01/01/12 03:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I haven't had preworkout supps since I grew out of my MuscleTech phase a few years ago lol. You get any jitteriness or anything from that stuff?
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Eminence]
#15601810 - 01/01/12 03:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah it gives you a real good kick at the start and slowly fades down in intensity but you do build a tolerance to it pretty quick. Still though I really like it for what I'm trying to do which is tone up, lose body fat, but keep the muscle I do have. It's a pretty good product I wouldn't mess with it if it sucked as I'm a pretty picky person...tho I have yet to try Jacked which many people rave about.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: thodub]
#15602156 - 01/01/12 05:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anavar is great stuff, it's a mild boost, but that's all it takes sometimes. Amphetamines cause catabolism and eats muscle away, so does lack of sleep. It's really detrimental, and can cause rhabdomyolysis. I've got letro set up as a pct but it's a RC version, it works though for sure!
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: fngbronco]
#15602504 - 01/01/12 06:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was looking in to anavar as well. I am having a little trouble finding out exactly what it is... A test booster? It seems like it is more than just a test booster... IDK...  And for the record this is what we are talking about?
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: WorldWideWInton]
#15602542 - 01/01/12 06:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol no we're talking about real anavar, a steroid, that's just a natural supplement called anavar as a gimmick. And I wouldn't trust their claims about that stuff, "109% increase in igf-1" is a really ridiculous claim. Not saying it's a shitty product, but they're definitely exaggerating a bit.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: WorldWideWInton]
#15602559 - 01/01/12 06:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just to let you guys know, my workout yesterday completely destroyed me today. It hurts to sit down/stand up/bend over. I haven't felt like this since i started deadlifting a year ago .. Clearly, i haven't been lifting with enough intensity.
I pretty much did my regular routine, but added shrugs, dips and hack squats.
I definitely worked out with more intensity and for longer than usual due to my pre workout drink - so, this is good. My body feels all over worked - but still went for a bike ride today.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: PDU]
#15602569 - 01/01/12 06:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's awesome! You think you're gonna go deeper into usin supplements cuz of that?
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Eminence]
#15602578 - 01/01/12 06:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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frylock91 said: Lol no we're talking about real anavar, a steroid, that's just a natural supplement called anavar as a gimmick. And I wouldn't trust their claims about that stuff, "109% increase in igf-1" is a really ridiculous claim. Not saying it's a shitty product, but they're definitely exaggerating a bit.
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I thought for that price it was too good to be true. The good stuff seems to always cost extra money... I have always thought that if gimicky stuff like enzyte worked, they woulnt sell it for minimal $$$ on TV late at night. I
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: PDU]
#15602612 - 01/01/12 06:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am trying to become more regimented, with set workouts on predetermined days, finally. I could use some opinions about this:
If you were to use these exercises in a 2 or 3 day rotation, how would you do it? Would you add anything?
(Keep in mind - i have nothing but a 7' and 5' Oly bars with 450lbs various plates, and kettlebells. No bench, no dumbbells.)
Bent Over Row Good Morning High Pull Shrug Clean Deadlift; conventional and sumo Upright row Military Press Hack Squat Front Squat (need to learn)
I also do pushups and leg lifts, wouldn't mind adding some other body weight movements, and maybe a chin up bar.
These are the exercises i know about, and feel comfortable doing. I feel like i can hit all the muscle groups fairly effectively with these, am i correct?
How would you arrange these, if you were to workout 3x/week - i want Saturday to be hard day, with deadlifts. I'm not sure how to group the others.
Any advice would be very much appreciated.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: PDU]
#15602706 - 01/01/12 07:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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PDU said: I am trying to become more regimented, with set workouts on predetermined days, finally. I could use some opinions about this:
Bent Over Row Good Morning High Pull Shrug Clean Deadlift; conventional and sumo Upright row Military Press Hack Squat Front Squat (need to learn)
Any advice would be very much appreciated.
If I were you I would split the body parts being worked a day. with the exercises you know, and since you only have a barbell something like this:
Monday: back:4 sets deadlifts (regular), 3-4 sets bent over rows, 3 sets good mornings, 3 sets upright rows.
Wenesday: shoulders: 3 sets Military Press, 3 sets clean (or clean & jerks if you know these), 3 sets shrugs, 3 sets front delt bar raises (these are easy just look them up, great for isolating the shoulders.
Fri: legs 3-4 sets regular squats (alternate with front squats every 1-2 weeks), 3-4 sets hack squats, and 3-4 sets stiff leg deadlifts (look these up, they are easy and great for hamstrings).
This will allow each body part to be targeted a day and give it enough time to heal for the next go around. Notice I keep the shoulder workout in the middle, thats because deads will hit your hamstrings too, so by the end of the week they should be ready to be worked out again on your leg workout. You can mix and match if you want/alternate this will just give you a general idea for a solid regime. These exercises are good, just realize that since you don't have a bench or dumbbells you will not really be able to do any direct work for your chest or arms. Unless you throw in some barbell curls on back day, which I forgot to add, I would actually do this personally. 3 sets at the end of your workout just to directly target the bi's. See if you can get a makeshift bench going and add a chest/tricep day?
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: PDU]
#15602708 - 01/01/12 07:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd do:
DL Bent over rows Shrugs Good mornings
Squat High pulls (basically the same as uprights) Military press or OHP Cleans Front squats
You can always lay flat and do bench off the floor if needed, and to the dead lift workouts I'd add "corner rows". You put one end of the oly bar in a corner and load weights on the opposite end. Squat down and keep your back straight, but lean forward like a bent over row. Use a towel behind the weight part of the bar (on the bar itself) and row it up. The towel will work your grip like a mother flipper, so it'd be great after heavy dead lifts. Be sure to lock your arms at 90° and draw your elbows back. This is one of the best back lifts I've ever done, but at the gym I use close grip handles.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: fngbronco]
#15602717 - 01/01/12 07:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like keeping pulling motions all together and pushing together. If you did this Monday Wednesday Friday, then the next week start with your Wednesday workout of the previous, change up the order of the lifts every month to keep your muscles confused.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: fngbronco]
#15602860 - 01/01/12 07:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Perfect, great advice.
The only thing i am concerned about is Squats. Basically i can squat considerably more than i can clean, and i don't have a rack... Are you two suggesting squatting light weights which i can clean? This is better than nothing i suppose..?
I do go swimming once a week, and i have access to a BUSY gym there. I could probably throw in a quick session with Bench press, DB flys, and squats on Sundays ... What other exercises would you suggest, trying to keep it relatively fast/easy.
I was planning on adding some curls, tri extensions and deltoid raises anyways. I've found holding small plates and doing high reps of raises to the front and side is a pretty decent variation on the barbell deltoid raise.
Anyways, these seem like pretty lean workouts, i could probably throw in some KB swings aswell. It will be really nice having scheduled workouts so i know whats coming at the end of the day.. Get into a routine where i take some preworkout drink or caffeine or whatever as i am wrapping up at work for the day, get pumped, and bang out a workout before winding down for the day.
I am feeling highly motivated to get serious these days.
Thanks for the advice, if anyone else has anything to add, please do.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: PDU]
#15603007 - 01/01/12 08:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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PDU said: Perfect, great advice.
The only thing i am concerned about is Squats. Basically i can squat considerably more than i can clean, and i don't have a rack... Are you two suggesting squatting light weights which i can clean? This is better than nothing i suppose..?
I do go swimming once a week, and i have access to a BUSY gym there. I could probably throw in a quick session with Bench press, DB flys, and squats on Sundays ... What other exercises would you suggest, trying to keep it relatively fast/easy.
I was planning on adding some curls, tri extensions and deltoid raises anyways. I've found holding small plates and doing high reps of raises to the front and side is a pretty decent variation on the barbell deltoid raise.
Anyways, these seem like pretty lean workouts, i could probably throw in some KB swings aswell. It will be really nice having scheduled workouts so i know whats coming at the end of the day.. Get into a routine where i take some preworkout drink or caffeine or whatever as i am wrapping up at work for the day, get pumped, and bang out a workout before winding down for the day.
I am feeling highly motivated to get serious these days.
Thanks for the advice, if anyone else has anything to add, please do.
I just found this shoulder exercise that I am loving... Someone may have posted it here idk... It's basically a shrug but its from behind your body. Start with the bar under your ass and bring it up and over stopping at the small of your back. It takes me a bit to find the right grip width but once I find the right spot it shreds.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: fngbronco]
#15603233 - 01/01/12 09:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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fngbronco said: Anavar is great stuff, it's a mild boost, but that's all it takes sometimes. Amphetamines cause catabolism and eats muscle away, so does lack of sleep. It's really detrimental, and can cause rhabdomyolysis. I've got letro set up as a pct but it's a RC version, it works though for sure!
i've been doing a lot of amphetamines recently... I've only slept 3 out of the last 6 nights I haven't noticed strength loss yet though, and holy fuck did it get me shredded.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: 4896744]
#15603436 - 01/01/12 10:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Build a rack out of 2x4s if you have to, no sense in cleaning just to squat.
IThink: You may not have losses now, but it is really detrimental, how much have you been eating? When I take my Ritalin I can lift harder, but if I take it more than a couple days in a row it messes with me.
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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: fngbronco]
#15603511 - 01/01/12 10:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Getting back to the gym tomorrow. Light weights/high reps for the next 6-8 weeks. I am going to start a new warm up routine too. I was doing 5mins bike 5 mins row machine with 20 mins of stretching. I'm going to try indoor running with different calisthenics every 200m for pry 15-20 mins total. It should get me warmed up just right and cut some time off of my gym experience. As part of my new years deal aside from diet changes I want to spend less time at the gym. Oh and wish my luck... I have my unemployment hearing early this week. If I win I will get a $1200 in back UI and fuck do I need it. I am going to have to take out a student loan if I loose my hearing and that is last resort...
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