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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14975124 - 08/25/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"Hit bi's n tri's"? I srsly don't understand why you wld do such an isolated workout in one session, seems like a waste of time, why not just annihalate entire upper body? Or at least a few more muscle groups?

There are a few guys that come into my gym that spend an hour doing only arm workouts, then leave. They look ridiculous


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: WorldWideWInton]
    #14975132 - 08/25/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Moar stretching, massage to move the lactic acid, when I got the new-workout-soreness I just punched thru it, it always went away if I pushed thru it and trained, but came back for a cpl days afterwards. I remember first time doing squats I could seriously not get out of bed the next morning and needed help putting my overalls on for work


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: WorldWideWInton]
    #14975156 - 08/25/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Being too sore to workout usually just happens in that first stage when ur muscles are so shocked by whats happening the amount of lactic acid built up feels staggering.  Keep hittin it consistently and the soreness will gradually decrease untill finally it will take a serious beating to feel sore again.

And for me it's not the day after, but the day after that when I really feel sore.  Just dont stop n it will work itself out

Na for me to hit each muscle group in the entire upper body properly in one session would be impossible.  Even if I were to superset everything.  I isolate muscle groups to give them the attention they deserve and do it in a sequence that will maximize effort and not "overtrain" any one group.


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14975327 - 08/25/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i see... any studies to back it up? sorry im not trying to discredit you or say its wrong, im a massive amateur myself i just find it confusing why you would isolate ONE LIMB of the body when a compound exercise could do just as much "attention" to the same group and many other groups (ie; dips/chins etc)

edit: i mean, in one 'upper body' day i will do tricep/cable work and BB curls (as recommended in my program) but i dont attest my arm size to that any more than i do the compound work i am doing, ifeel i am getting much more tricep work from dips, as well as chest and shoulder work... way more bang for my buck

when a mate of mine said "i did tris and bis today" a few weeks ago in my head I was like "wtf" it just doesnt make sense

its like "i did calfs today, tomorrow i will do delts, and then the next day i will do forearms"

w/e im just jaded against brofag stuff i guess, so sorry if it offends. im all about the compounds... too biased. im an asshole, tell me to die in a fire


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14975349 - 08/25/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

lol i remember back in highschool when i first started doing 'weights' , i bought a cheap set of dumb bells and just did 'weights' in my room, just curls and OH press basically. i remember the next day after my first 'workout' my arms were SO FUCKIGN SORE and i couldn't have them straight just resting by my sides so walking around like i had my hands out like i was carrying a tray or somehing hahaha so retarded

then just did curls and OH press for god knows how long, and not eating (being a retarded stoner) and wondering why i wasnt getting fully massif


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: indica]
    #14975618 - 08/25/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

When I started isolating body parts per day I saw way better size & strength gains.  I can't imagine going back to a 'upper body day' with only 1-3 exercises per body part etc.  It just doesn't feel like enough work do get any good gains in this stage of training.


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #14976256 - 08/25/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yea I really cant do some dumbell shoulder presses and call it a day for my delts.  It's a good way to start though, doing an entire upper body workout at once.  Infact a lot of personal trainers will start ppl out like that.  Like was said above there is a point one outgrows that and is forced to isolate muscle groups.


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14976379 - 08/25/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

indica: look into DC Training. If you want to feel that absurd pump/mental and body rape, that's the way to go. There were times I could barely get to the car.


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: poetic]
    #14976659 - 08/25/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I've never just done arms, shoulders, and traps. I always either do something like back and tri or chest and bi, just so I don't hit the smaller muscles too much. There was a time when curling 135 on an olympic bar happened too...fuck. Just a word of advice guys, don't stop lifting. I really hit a depressive state where I didn't wanna be near anyone, wouldn't call my friends, always felt like there weren't enough hours in a day, etc, my ego was shit, my jokes sucked, my mind didn't work as quick. Never would've coupled that with workouts but it truly does improve mental health.

My family always gives me shit about my legs, says I've got a woman's dream ass and chick thighs cuz they're proportionately huge lol. All my pants look like girl pants, and a pair that fit me so nice (I really thought I looked good in them) now barely go over my legs. Funny shit though is I've still got pants from when I was 15 that fit me and I wear, the only thing is they're a little tight around the thighs. I can't wash jeans either, they take like 3 wears to break in, and after I wash them they're way too tight to even get on.

The soreness, I'd recommend beta alanine. Lactic acid is a result of anaerobic ATP. Basically ATP takes oxygen to make 32 ATP, that's the one energy source our body uses but it takes things to make, and if we don't get oxygen then it produces 2 ATP which it needs for more ATP.  It can make 32 atp anaerobically but only for a very short amount of time (why dead people need cpr and air before their heart can start beating again) but a by prduct of anaerobic ATP  is lactic acid which sits in your muscles and causes soreness. Beta alanine converts to carnosine (more bioavailable carnosine than taking carnosine alone) which is the amino acid used to buffer out lactic acid. When you take BA, be sure that you eat carbs with it or mix it on OJ or something cuz the tingled fucking SUCK! my eyebrows itch, my eyes itch, my ears, everything itches, but that's it working. It will improve endurance as well. Because we don't excrete lactic acid (it gets converted) I believe this BA stuff makes it a useable chemical again which can be used for ATP.

That'll be it for today's class, I expect your homework to be in by Friday, on and indica if you can stay after cuz that bike is fucking amazing!Being as how it's te SF edition and the mask could be similar to Vega...what's her name?


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: fngbronco]
    #14976759 - 08/25/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Right now my muscle grouping goes like this

Chest
Legs
Shoulders
Back
Arms

I've done different groupings but right now this is whats working


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14977035 - 08/25/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

FUCKIN SWEET a powerlifting thread aye? ill be posting later i gotta head to class but ill def be a regular on this thread!


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: fngbronco]
    #14978051 - 08/25/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i almost get addicted to the soreness, i just got out of bed to take a piss... when i went to walk i was like "yep.. def did legs yesterday"

its not incapacitating, nothing a bit of walking around and moving can't fix. i just love the feeling of knowing i have worked really hard.

and cheers for the tip poetic, i looked up dogcrapp training and it said something along the lines of "do you have at least 3 years lifting experience? are you a serious lifter?" so i dunno i think i should maybe get a bit more experience before i attempt it.. but i do want to further the destruction of my body

i have another massage tomorrow booked for 12, so i gotta get up early and start training early (usually train about 12pm) i want to try out the difference between massage on rest days and massage straight after training, i think it would be good having swole muscles worked over ?

fngbronco.. cheers on the bike.. as i said i spent a bit of cash on it, i got it stock, full fairings and all, so it wasnt even crashed to be converted to a 'fighter, the mask is slick, i took it off, i still have it but it's a bit 'over-the-top' for me at the moment, i'll see how i like it with no mask for a bit... and i want these drag bars

man i miss riding, cant wait for summer


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Rewindicus]
    #14978370 - 08/25/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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FUCKIN SWEET a powerlifting thread aye? ill be posting later i gotta head to class but ill def be a regular on this thread!





Fuckyea. Powerlifting and Strength Training. And a few omm.. bodybuilders  :weirdeyes:


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: dshow]
    #14978467 - 08/25/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Did 5x5 yesterday and today (first week).. should skip a day but only this time ill cheat :smirk:

All starting at 70% of my 1 rep max of the mains (deadlift,squat,bench) and under guessing my max since i have not been doing heavy in 2 months. I have also not done a max in 4 months.

Yesterday-deadlift

deadlifts 265lbs 5x5
Chinups (body weight) 5x5
Bar curl 85lbs 5x5

Today-bench

Bench 165lbs 5x5
Military press 100lbs 5x5
Close grip Bench 155lbs 5x5

I chose to start at 70% because i have done strength training before and am not a noob. I will be going up 5% each time. I know that by the time i get to 90-95% that my accessories will have to be cut down. Or maybe not because i have never really done squats. So im going to start low in squats. maybe 185lbs when i know ive done 250lbs before. well see.

Am i doing the 5x5 program right? This seems pretty right too me. I could have probably started it at 60-65%.. but this will do. Eventually at 90-95% i will have to do 3 sets of 5reps or 5 sets of 3reps.

INPUT?

I think i will also log my shit. Just the workout though. So you will get to see how i change the accessories up a bit each week and what not. It will also show in 7 weeks if i have hit a pr.

BTW  .. bronco,indica,poetic,blindeye,champions, and frylock (dead) lol. and whoever else. Im only 5'8 and under 180lbs. Thats why that weight looks low to you guys. My max dead was only 420 4 months ago and i kinda stopped since. Its also my first week (lowest weight) and goes up in percentages.

Again INPUT? lets just see the results lol


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: dshow]
    #14978493 - 08/25/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Then i think after this 6-8 week program that i will go to the starting strength program. but not too sure. I think i need to do something else.



I JUST FUCKING WISH that when i moved i could of brought my strong man lifter trainer. He was a natural and was lifting shit that i was like holy fuck. We were pulling trucks around, flipping tractor tires. In the gym he was teaching me beast mode. FUCKING BEAST MODE. percentages,chains, fucking 3 rep shit. I worked out for only 8 months and doubled my size. and now ive moved to a city where everyone fucking bro trains on the decline and pully system like wtf.

So im alone now. OH and im too afraid to approach the big mother fuckers cuz they look like they just doing they own thang. ya know??


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: dshow]
    #14978554 - 08/25/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Weights look good man! Don't discredit yourself cuz it's not as big as someone else, you're doing it man! I'd say don't do 5x5 for longer than 6 weeks. Once you're done with that, hit up something else for a month, a little less intense to get the mass/shorten the muscles, then hit it heavy again!


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: dshow]
    #14978557 - 08/25/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i havent looked at the 5x5 properly but from what i gather you're much better under-guessing than over-estimating your max.

but honestly if i were starting (again), like if i stopped this 5/3/1 for long enough to not know how much i could lift when i went back to try again, i would just go back to SS to get all my lifts up to scratch and balance it all out before fucking with percentages.

that way at least you can do heaps of squats err'day and get that up if you havent done much squatting

i loved SS anyway, it was an hour workout of pwnage, id say just use it until it stalls

btw tyre flipping for the lolz... i need to get me one BUT I WANT A FUCKING SLED

and yeah, where is frylock?


btw dshow, dude, you really wanna stop drinking, i dont give a fuck about your health, but if you want to see serious improvements in your training id stop drinking, i went from being a 4-times-a-week piss head half-assing SS to stopping alcohol/smoking cold turkey for 4 months and the improvements were insane, i never realised how much alcohol was fucking with my performance. it's such a fucking stupid ass drug. drop that shit! no more benders for you, homeboy


btw bronco: how often do you switch up your programs? i wanna use 5/3/1 for at least 4-5 months, do you think that's ok?


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: dshow]
    #14978923 - 08/25/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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dshow said:
Quote:

Rewindicus said:
FUCKIN SWEET a powerlifting thread aye? ill be posting later i gotta head to class but ill def be a regular on this thread!





Fuckyea. Powerlifting and Strength Training. And a few omm.. bodybuilders  :weirdeyes:





lol fucking AWESOME picture in your gallery of the club kids with the balloons outside of a church!


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: Rewindicus]
    #14978959 - 08/25/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Im drinking a 5th of vodka tonight. You need to forget about that. Cuz thats my. well fuck yea college is starting so its ok. i am stopping!! 

I had no one challenge the 5x5 . gives me the go go. Ima make a list of. hope to add what the other guy does.

I HOPE we can all add this and MAKE a GREAT FORUM


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Re: Powerlifting, diet, supplements, bulking... ya dig? [Re: dshow]
    #14979014 - 08/25/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

shit yah im in heading to work now (im a medic) but im gonna read this thread form start to finish before i start posting.


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