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k00laid
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: trashcansean]
#14566727 - 06/05/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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have you grown edibles in tubs before?
do what you know homey.
if you are looking to start growing, this wouldnt b the way to do it.
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: trashcansean]
#14566858 - 06/05/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Sean, this picture shows only space for 81 tubs along the walls (9 stacks of 8 and 3 stacks of 3). You could still fit 100 in the room with stacks in the middle of the floor, but it would be awfully tight in there.
Whether or not it is the best method depends on what species you're growing. If your goal is to experiment and do research as you've said, what's the big deal with getting so many tubs? It would be so much more enjoyable with less of a workload.
Don't overlook the benefits of going with tubs. They are beneficial in terms of isolating outbreaks of contamination. There are other advantages as well, such as not risking humidity damage to your house, etc. I'm a big fan of tubs for these reasons and in fact I like the specific model and size of tub that you've pointed out. If you're getting them for $10 each, that's awesome. I had to pay $16 each last time I picked some up, and that's Canadian, worth more than the US dollar. $10 each is a steal. But if this were for commercial production of edibles I'd say no, try to come up with a better fruiting chamber as you'll face too much work for the yield, given the market value of most edibles.
But if you're doing it for fun or interest, then go for it! And post photos, including of your other gear. If you have a sterilizer capable of cranking out this much spawn, then you're among a very small minority of mushroom growers. To use a canning PC like the All American 941 you'd have to run it multiple times daily to keep up.
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trashcansean


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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: Puma]
#14566885 - 06/05/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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well i have twelve 22 quart pcs where can i get a huge one like you
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trashcansean


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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: k00laid]
#14566893 - 06/05/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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k00laid said: have you grown edibles in tubs before?
do what you know homey.
if you are looking to start growing, this wouldnt b the way to do it.
oh well ive been growing for two years now not that long but i just wanna expand a little i have so much free time ya know
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: trashcansean]
#14566957 - 06/05/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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trashcansean said: well i have twelve 22 quart pcs where can i get a huge one like you
Okay, so we've identified a pretty major inefficiency. You'll be surprised by how much work you save by concentrating your work in large batches, and just running a large PC a few times per month to get all the spawn you need. I started small, turning a regular tall propane tank into a pressure cooker that could take 44 quart jars at a time. Here's the thread.
That taught me what I needed to know in order to build something truly capacious, out of a propane tank that's about twice the volume of a 55-gallon drum. Here's the thread on that.
Whether you're able to build one depends on who you know and what's available in your neighborhood. I build the first one for about $300, and the second one for under $1000, in a single weekend. The scrap metal yard was where I turned for supplies.
I guess a dozen small PC's is another way to do it. You could run them all twice a week and maybe generate enough spawn. Do you use rye? If you use the conventional tek you'll be doing a lot of boiling and steaming...
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: Puma]
#14567080 - 06/05/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah i use rye but people say wbs grows better mushrooms. im also using sawdust and woodchips but im just pasteurizing them in a horse trough
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: trashcansean]
#14567131 - 06/05/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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great job on the pc, kinda what i was thinkin for a moment, i just wanna lop off the bottom of one of my pcs and weld it onto a large tank, and weld a catch over the top somehow just in case the top blows off
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: trashcansean]
#14567497 - 06/06/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If looks aren't that important, just get some lumber delivered from a lumber/hardware store. I used 2/4's and 3/4" plywood to build out shelves along the walls for my tubs. They stack really well and I can pull them out and put them back really easy. I have temp problems so I use a modded SGFC in a TiT setup for temp control and air pumps for FAE, works really really well. I ran romex cable to electrical boxes along the shelves to plug in pumps, lights, timers, water circulators, etc. I just used a cordless drill, electic saw, and a combination of nails and screws to attach everything together. I also use bakers racks, which are pretty strong and even come on casters so they can be moved about. For those, I just used power strips zip tied to the vertical bars. They work really well too. The only problem I've had with stacking is weight. Polypropylene cracks really easy, and if you have a lot of water in your tubs like I do, they get heavy and you can only stack em like 3 high, thats why I went to shelves. With shelves, you can stack them up as high as you want and it's easy access.
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: Puma]
#14567602 - 06/06/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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steelmonkey said: I think your goals are a bit unrealistic,have you did the math on how much room that would take
i did the exact math on it they all fit nicely inside of a 12' x 11' room stacked on top of each other and i have more room if neccesary. i live in a 4000 square foot empty ass house.
did you think about how you are going to provide this specific differences in climate? and how you will be moving these tubs around to tend to the tubs on the bottom of the stacks. and the ones in the back of the room.
and srsly if we are talkin about cubes here you will not need 100 tubs.
The idea of 100 tubs per month isn't totally unreasonable if he has the right gear to handle that kind of volume.It'd be a full-time job and one requiring a substantial autoclave as the heart of the operation. 100 tubs breaks down to dealing with 4 tubs / day, 5 days a week, to equal 100 tubs per month. Those 100-quart tubs, I find, work best with about 8 quarts of spawn. So you'd need 800 quarts of spawn, or 200 per week. My pressure cooker handles 110 half-gallon jars(or +/- 235 quart jars) , so this would be theoretically possible for to pull off, running a PC like mine just once a week.
With a comparable PC (mine is over 100 gallon internal volume), one could generate enough cube spawn in three runs per month using bags rather than jars. But again, serious workload. It takes several days for all the soaking, loading, unloading, cooling, and grain to grain or liquid inoculation, not leaving much time to make, monitor and harvest those 4 tubs / day.
So if you have the need for 100 tubs, Trashcansean, my curiosity about other elements of your operation is piqued. How many people do you have helping you? And what plans and equipment do you have for sterilizing to create spawn?
Good luck with your venture.
jesus
what kind of PC do you have?
any pics?
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: ar1es]
#14567610 - 06/06/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What species are you growing? I can't imagine most edibles in tubs.
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: Doc_T]
#14567665 - 06/06/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Me neither. I bet he wants to grow cubes and is just being paranoid (which is reasonable considering the amount of shrooms he wants to produce).
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: Doc_T]
#14567724 - 06/06/11 01:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You should post what species you are growing. What substrate/fruiting/colonization tek you use kinda matters depending on the species...
This is all hypothetical stuff I would love to try out, but have not yet:
Safeway, and I'm sure many other large grocery stores, throw out 10-40 3 gallon buckets about once a week. Just ask their bakery. They get their flour/sugar/etc supplies shipped in them, so they have no use to them afterwards. They are air-tight, the lids lock, they have handles, and are stackable. Each bucket is about 1' by 1', so you could easily have 100 in a room.
I would hate my life if I had to pressure cook 300 gallons of substrate a month. If you were to ferment instead of pressure cook, then this would save you a lot of time. If you ferment it may take a couple weeks to ferment, but you can work it into your work cycle. fermenting tek link
You could convert these into shotgun fruiting chambers, or you could also dump them out onto some grow racks in a green house and have some chubby cakes. I hear Stamets uses tree frogs for their grow room pest control. After a primary decomposer starts to digest the substrate (cubes, oysters, king stropharia...), you can introduce a secondary decomposer (like button mushrooms), and then a trietary decomposer (some conocybe, agrocybe, pluteus, and agaricus). These all digest different nutrients, so this may be a nice space-conservative method for growing multiple species. I've heard they do/don't compete for resources, so I'm guessing it depends on species. You may need to kill the primary decomposer before colonizing with a secondary decomposer.
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k00laid
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: trashcansean]
#14571472 - 06/06/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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trashcansean said: but people say wbs grows better mushrooms.
no one says this.
especially no one who grows edibles.
like i said man. do what you know. if you havent ever grown edibles in tubs dont do it.
if your growing cubes then you should already know what to do. "cuz u been growing for 2 years"
wtf is this thread about again?? :S
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Re: Cheaper chamber than a poly tub. [Re: k00laid]
#14571484 - 06/06/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol like I said I think he's in over his head.I'm all for experimenting but this is on another level
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