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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14564981 - 06/05/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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meams said:
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GuruBushHippie said:
the police closed the memorial, not the protesters.



Did the police have the closiong scheduled in advance? or were they required to do it as the result of the protestors actions?





Im wondering if there is evidence of a permit. And if there was indeed a permit
why can the cops shut down the memorial and kick people out?





yes, if the protest gets out of hand, which it obviously did since this
was supposed to be a silent protest and the douchebag organizer was far
from silent... I'm assuming they had a permit, surely they wouldnt be
stupid enough to stage another protest while out on bond for the first
one, with his face all over the footage it's nothing to issue a warrant
and then hit him with the 3 strikes laws, that how misdemeanors become
felonies worthy of a life sentence in the eyes of the courts


now wouldnt that be funny, 3 protesting arrests, simple misdemeanors on
their own are suddenly a life sentence... 14 years for showing his ass
in the most harmless of ways

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: memes]
    #14564986 - 06/05/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

pris, obviously you cant have a discussion without being a smartass and trying to belittle me so congrats, im done.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14565011 - 06/05/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well I would not doubt there is one. There is video of dude man on the phone
with the police chief. The chief said things like "we will be more than happy to
tell you where you can be and this and that. But dude man sounds like a complete
dick head (laughing at the cop). Although I think he provides solid points. Ill have
to find it.


But if they did have a permit. The act of shutting them down should go against
the first amendment IMO. Oh you can protest but only between the hours of 3-5 LOL



"if the protest gets out of hand, which it obviously did"

:awelol:

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14565075 - 06/05/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I cant find the video

:wtfsonic:

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14565163 - 06/05/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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GuruBushHippie said:
pris, obviously you cant have a discussion without being a smartass and trying to belittle me so congrats, im done.





you seem to think the police would have just closed the memorial regardless
of the protesters being there or not when in actuality we all know it's the
presence of the protesters that resulted in it's closing, ie, the protesters
were the cause of the memorial's closing

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14565220 - 06/05/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
The act of shutting them down should go against
the first amendment IMO. Oh you can protest but only between the hours of 3-5 LOL





know what happens if you protest past 8pm in my town... you incur the
wrath of rednecks, trust me, you want the cops to brutalize you

explain how shutting down a monument is a violation of the first amendment?

how is shutting down an illegal protest a violation of the first amendment?



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"if the protest gets out of hand, which it obviously did"




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The National Park Service says it supports free speech -- just not inside any of the monuments or on the steps. They say visitors are welcome to go to any of the surrounding grassy areas to dance or demonstrate.



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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14565230 - 06/05/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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hit him with the 3 strikes laws, that how misdemeanors become
felonies worthy of a life sentence in the eyes of the courts

now wouldnt that be funny, 3 protesting arrests, simple misdemeanors on
their own are suddenly a life sentence




The three strikes laws only apply to felonies...

http://www.lawinfo.com/fuseaction/Client.lawarea/categoryid/137
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Most importantly, misdemeanors are not counted as "strikes" in states that have adopted three strikes laws. However, if a person has already been convicted of two felonies, the misdemeanor could potentially be considered the "third strike" offense, which could result in a mandatory 25 year to life prison sentence.




So there's no way these guys could ever get life for only misdemeanors.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14565270 - 06/05/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
hit him with the 3 strikes laws, that how misdemeanors become
felonies worthy of a life sentence in the eyes of the courts

now wouldnt that be funny, 3 protesting arrests, simple misdemeanors on
their own are suddenly a life sentence




The three strikes laws only apply to felonies...

http://www.lawinfo.com/fuseaction/Client.lawarea/categoryid/137




nope... I sat in court with my ex mother in law when a judge said said to
a woman "this is your fourth time in front of this bench on misdemeanors,
Ga has a 3 strikes law so I'm compelled to remand you over to superior
court as you are now a felon"


dont make the same mistake

http://www.threestrikes.org/calif_0.html
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The most hotly debated aspect of the California law is that prosecutors may decide to file felony charges for crimes that are usually misdemeanors, thus triggering the three-strikes provision. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear a challenge to this rule in 1999, though the court's four more liberal members issued statements suggesting they considered it a potentially serious issue.




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So there's no way these guys could ever get life for only misdemeanors.





lol... think again


http://misdemeanorguide.com/Washington-misdemeanor.php
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Three Strikes Law
Washington created a law system in 1993 that is called the Three Strikes Law. In this system individuals who have violated certain laws--normally sexual offenses--will have aggravated sentences that are mandatory without parole. Because some misdemeanors include sexual offenses, an individual who has been charged with two misdemeanors for the same crime may then be charged with a felony instead on the third offense.




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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14565325 - 06/05/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They're not in California and as long as they don't commit some sort of sex crime while protesting in Washington then these guys won't have to worry about a life sentence. Nobody has ever been handed a life sentence for simply protesting.


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14565333 - 06/05/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

see how easily you misinterpret things, it doesnt have to be a sex crime, it
was started with the sex crimes but continues with every crime if the judge
decides to pursue it that way

it really cant be made more clear than this


an individual who has been charged with two misdemeanors for the same crime may then be charged with a felony instead on the third offense.

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14565356 - 06/05/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Nobody has ever been handed a life sentence for simply protesting.



Am I wrong?


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14565365 - 06/05/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DrGreenThumb865 said:
They're not in California and as long as they don't commit some sort of sex crime while protesting in Washington then these guys won't have to worry about a life sentence. Nobody has ever been handed a life sentence for simply protesting.



Yeah he addressed that in the post directly above you.  Applies in washington, and
applies to crimes other than SA

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http://misdemeanorguide.com/Washington-misdemeanor.php
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Three Strikes Law
Washington created a law system in 1993 that is called the Three Strikes Law. In this system individuals who have violated certain laws--normally sexual offenses--will have aggravated sentences that are mandatory without parole. Because some misdemeanors include sexual offenses, an individual who has been charged with two misdemeanors for the same crime may then be charged with a felony instead on the third offense.




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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14565452 - 06/05/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DrGreenThumb865 said:
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DrGreenThumb865 said:
Nobody has ever been handed a life sentence for simply protesting.



Am I wrong?




since I've not read every single court ruling handed down over the last 3
decades it's very possible you could be wrong especially since you didnt
specify any country, we know china sometimes executes protesters but here
in the US, that 3 strikes law does apply and whether or not it's happened,
that would be up to you to find and also with this being america, isnt there
always a first time for everything

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14565473 - 06/05/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My bad, didn't think I had to specify I was talking about the United States... Figured that was evident due to the topic we were discussing. :facepalm:


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14565498 - 06/05/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14565533 - 06/05/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14565625 - 06/05/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This link sums this thread up

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14525519



I think this does a better job:



edit:  this pic was a prntscrn i took today while watching the MLG Starcraft II stream on www.majorleaguegaming.com --- was just a normal crowd shot and some guy had the trollface on.  grabbed the image

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: memes]
    #14565659 - 06/05/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I believe your internets are leaking

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14565664 - 06/05/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh noes did i break it?

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Re: Will dancing at memorials be legalized in our lifetime? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14565765 - 06/05/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I see but 4 little pages... I think you guys cant count


BTW, look at the result of this latest protest, those inconsiderate bastards
have once again infringed upon the rights of families in their desire to
stage their retarded little protest, they've denied thousands of people the
ability to visit the jefferson memorial

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1307227649




Cop shouldnt have body slammed and arrested the dude with out a cause in the first place and this backlash wouldnt have occured.

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