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first time not using a casing layer, no shit...
    #14564601 - 06/05/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

afoaf of my ex girlfriends cousins, uncles, wifes, brother told me he never went without a casing layer, but hearing all the 'no need for a casing layer' hype has him curious.

He said that he spawned 6qt WBS to 1 brick of coir and 3qt verm but foolishly did not save a thin layer of the substrate to put on top of the exposed grain...i guess it is about 100% ready to go though, so he said he wanted to let it establish a bit more before fruiting, but wants to know if the thin protective layers only benefit is to cover exposed grains to prevent contams OR is it necessary for a good pinset/flush.

He just wants me to ask you guys if the flush is going to be just as good with or without a protective layer of subtrate.

Thank you in advance for your help.  I will try to visit and see if he will let me take pics if at all helpful.


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #14564649 - 06/05/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Its basically used as a protective layer against contamination while colonization takes place,your pinset won't affected


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14564716 - 06/05/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I thought the casing layer held in moisture helping produce a better pinset like verming a PF cake or have i got that wrong?


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: yummytrips]
    #14564826 - 06/05/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i never use casing layers. If your Fruiting chamber has high enough RH then you do not need one. they are only used to hold humidity on the substrate. Casing layer do not protect from contams but in most of my experience cause contams.


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: Bom_Tombadil]
    #14564836 - 06/05/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: iceglow]
    #14564877 - 06/05/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Who said anything about a casing layer?...he's talking about saving a thinlayer of substrate to cover the mixed spawn to protect the exposed grains,which is the best way to do it


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14565018 - 06/05/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)





No casing layer ever!


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: mister]
    #14565037 - 06/05/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

right...but when you spawned, did you put a little layer of sub on top of exposed grains....this is specifically what i was told to ask.

i think steelmonkey is probably right, it wont make a difference, but my guy doesnt know from experience so he's just nervous. thanks for the replies..any and all are appreciated. thank you.

any of you want a PR print when they are done(PM me to request one), i will grab them for you. thats the strain he is doing i guess.


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #14565050 - 06/05/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh, and very nice gr0ws, mister. amazing show. what strains you got there, you remember?


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #14565051 - 06/05/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You want to cover exposed grains, they are still nutritious goodies for both mycelium and other unwanted contaminates.

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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14565054 - 06/05/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Its basically used as a protective layer against contamination while colonization takes place,your pinset won't affected


You have that right but thats not what the OP is talking about


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14565088 - 06/05/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I just mixed the coir verm in with grain spawn and forgot about it. Never covered up the grains since they are already colonized by the fungus. These strains are treasure coast and albino A+. TC was always a favorite of mine.


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: mister]
    #14565106 - 06/05/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When you break up the grains you damaged the myc which can leave them open for contams until they recover,thats why its a good idea to cover them with a thin layer of substrate to act as a makeshift barrier


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14565147 - 06/05/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

okay, excellent feedback.  that will do it!  thanks everyone...especially steel, u answered it dead on. thank u sir.  if youd like a print when they are done, i will be receiving a hand full from him for my help...strain is Peurto Rican.


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #14565233 - 06/05/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've actually read that some people sprinkle a little spawn on the top of there sub to help colonize the top faster, instead of covering it up. Regardless like Steel says I usually blanket a little layer of sub above the exposed grains just to be as careful as possible.

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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #14565289 - 06/05/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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okay, excellent feedback.  that will do it!  thanks everyone...especially steel, u answered it dead on. thank u sir.  if youd like a print when they are done, i will be receiving a hand full from him for my help...strain is Peurto Rican.




Thanks a bunch for your offer but PR's are one of my fav's and I have a ton of prints,those are PR in my sig


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14565812 - 06/05/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I've actually read that some people sprinkle a little spawn on the top of there sub to help colonize the top faster, instead of covering it up. Regardless like Steel says I usually blanket a little layer of sub above the exposed grains just to be as careful as possible.

Lah'Kesh




i think this is a bad idea just because contams can take hold on the exposed "frosting layer" grains....at one time it seemed like a good idea...but now we know its probably not the safest method...the grains are going to be the most susceptible to contams, so its better to cover them up, thank you though brother, your input was appreciated.


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okay, excellent feedback.  that will do it!  thanks everyone...especially steel, u answered it dead on. thank u sir.  if youd like a print when they are done, i will be receiving a hand full from him for my help...strain is Peurto Rican.




Thanks a bunch for your offer but PR's are one of my fav's and I have a ton of prints,those are PR in my sig





that's awesome! you know whats even more fucked up...is i just had the old lady run to the store and grab some foil pans for my buddy. and i was thinking smaller ones...like a browny pan, but she ended up getting those roaster pans instead, just like you have(i think, they look bigger), they are like twice the fuckin size of what i was expecting.  i find that amusing u have PR in the same kind of pans. AND you were the one that flat out answered our concern. lol man i am stoked to see how they turn out. i will try and get some pictures if possible.


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #14565952 - 06/05/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lol there like serving pans that come with a plastic lid,there way bigger than brownie pans so they are probally close to the size you have,two of them fit almost perfectly in the bottom of a 64 qaurt tub


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: don_vedo]
    #14566183 - 06/05/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I've actually read that some people sprinkle a little spawn on the top of there sub to help colonize the top faster, instead of covering it up. Regardless like Steel says I usually blanket a little layer of sub above the exposed grains just to be as careful as possible.

Lah'Kesh




They do the same for woodlovers outdoors. If you expose substrate with no spawn, then it will take longer for the mycelium to catch up. I just mixed the coir and spawn in the mono and closed it up and ledt it be. Never a problem. The mycelium recovers faster than you think.


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Re: first time not using a casing layer, no shit... [Re: mister]
    #14566224 - 06/05/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i think this is a bad idea just because contams can take hold on the exposed "frosting layer" grains....at one time it seemed like a good idea...but now we know its probably not the safest method...the grains are going to be the most susceptible to contams, so its better to cover them up, thank you though brother, your input was appreciated.




No problem, thanks for setting me straight man, I appreciate it. Not going to lie I still have much to learn; rather new to the whole process myself, just wanted to add in what I could. I hope you keep us updated on how your ex-ladies cousins, uncles, wifes, brother's grow goes! Wish him the best :wink:.

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They do the same for woodlovers outdoors. If you expose substrate with no spawn, then it will take longer for the mycelium to catch up. I just mixed the coir and spawn in the mono and closed it up and ledt it be. Never a problem. The mycelium recovers faster than you think.




Thanks mister, much appreciate brother for the info as well; spawning to bulk soon for the first time myself and I always appreciate the info... Been reading on here like a mad man, got a lot out of it but as i'm finding there are always things to learn.

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