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Trapped in the Wake of a Dream
    #14562413 - 06/04/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

About thirty minutes ago, I had this dream, it had been carrying on for a while and nothing of interest, just odd things that were mundane by the dream world standards. I was feeling insecure, anxious, and a little paranoid--like nearly all my dreams, expressions of the unconscious mind I suppose.

However, after a while, I stole something from an unattended store with a friend of mine, which is odd because I don't believe in stealing, what so ever, but unconscious mind peaking out again I guess. My friend got away with it while I got caught. The woman started talking to me, asking me how you know if someone is lying to you, and what is in my bag (it was like a computer game thing, really trivial stuff) and I was like nothing and she started to squeeze it and be like, "oh really, then whats this?" and I just go, "nothing", and rip it away from her and quickly walk away very guilty while she goes to phone the police or something...

I, stupidly enough, am with a college class, which is waiting for me about 100 yds away on a program and I will surely be kicked off when this woman and the police tell them what I did. I toss the game away but she sees me and I know I'm fucked.

A fearful panic and anxiety was rising from the start of this and it grew into uncontrollable portions, painful thoughts of my future, stupidity of past actions, and just utter dread for how I had fucked up my current life situation when I had been doing so well overwhelmed me so much that---I just woke up and instantly I found myself in my bed and all the emotional pain (that part was actually affecting me in "real life" very intensely) just faded away completely as I saw so clearly the whole thing was just dream, these people weren't real, neither were my actions, the whole thing was the product of my imagination, an illusion that I had bought into, causing actual pain...

I don't know, I've heard similar things occurring to people on this plane of reality, Eckhart Tolle talks of this with people on death row deeply entering into the "now" and finding intense inner peace after horrible suffering.


Having done a ten day vipassana meditation course and the reading of many teachers, I believe it happens like this...It isn't gradual, its just a sudden kick and you realize the whole thing has been pure imagination and you don't even need to work on dropping attachments, aversion, or cravings since why would you have any of those mental products towards a world that is completely bullshit and you are infinitely beyond.

The question is, how does one trigger such an awakening?


OH AND ONE MORE THING: By my practice of mindfulness and constant questioning of reality in my "real life" I've had this spill over into my dreams, where I begin to question if this is real and actually find myself controlling it without realizing it (not lucid, I've had those but this is different), like I find myself thinking of things and they happen and I go, hmm, this must be a dream! But I don't realize it until I wake up. I've also had moments where my mindfulness kicks in and I actually "wake up" just a teeny bit by not buying into my thoughts and emotions in the dream world--quite interesting if you think about it....


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If you're frightened of dying and  you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.

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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: JackofSpades]
    #14562828 - 06/05/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's so humorous, I had a similar dream a couple of nights ago. I dreamt I was stealing from an electronic store and had a shopping cart full of things. Then this cop or some undercover guy saw me and tasered me and I felt the pain in my body, sort of like a frying of my nerves similar to my first salvia breakthrough. Anyhow I woke up and jumped back into the dream to escape the 'cop' and lucidly ran to safety and sort of stepped out of it when I was out of his field of vision. Sort of like the phones in the Matrix movie I suppose.

I found it had something to do with attachments in my real life or hidden agendas of the ego. I have been having some intense emotional dreams lately, stealing, fighting, doing things I don't normally do or really look into doing being done in my dream state.

Very odd man, whatever is going on.

As for the question, "how does one trigger awakening", is akin to asking "how does one trigger old age" or "how does one trigger adolescence". It happens when it happens. When the being is ready for it, it will happen. There are infinite ways to speed it up but not significantly if the root of the issues are not handled (which usually comes on with a lot of fear or terror or immense anxiety which is from fear).

Be truthful.

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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: OneU]
    #14562937 - 06/05/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There are infinite ways to speed it up but not significantly if the root of the issues are not handled (which usually comes on with a lot of fear or terror or immense anxiety which is from fear).

Be truthful.





Can you elaborate more on what you mean here?


I often wonder if something radical similar to what the Buddha did with renunciation is really needed to get the gist of what is actually going on in our lives. (however, the radical element need not be the same path of the buddha's renunciation, just a radical shift in one's life--for a monk it could be experiencing a more hedonistic lifestyle for example)...But I suppose the old age thing is a good way to put it. The teachers I really respect all seem to say the same thing, the tree falls when it falls, keep chopping I guess...


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: JackofSpades]
    #14563250 - 06/05/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting dreams, cuz I had non of the sorts.. but my friend had a dream in which I was stealing stuff like diamonds or something and he was like thunderstruck.

IMO, there is no such thing as trigger for awakening. By your very intention focused upon it, you already pulled the trigger. Just give yourself some objectives and focus, set some intent.. and keep walking. Such things are not something totally different and very dramatic.

There is this saying... Why do you ask questions? If you already knew the flame was fire, then the meal was cooked long time ago.


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: JackofSpades] * 1
    #14563330 - 06/05/11 05:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Having done a ten day vipassana meditation course and the reading of many teachers, I believe it happens like this...It isn't gradual, its just a sudden kick and you realize the whole thing has been pure imagination and you don't even need to work on dropping attachments, aversion, or cravings since why would you have any of those mental products towards a world that is completely bullshit and you are infinitely beyond.

The question is, how does one trigger such an awakening?





How do you snap yourself completely out of this dream? by understanding who/what you really already are

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I believe it happens like this...




Drop that belief, it doesn't even 'happen'

You simply Are existence itself, have always been & will always be so

That's the sudden kick, realizing 'you' can do absolutely nothing to get it because you are it


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: Chronic7]
    #14563363 - 06/05/11 06:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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JackofSpades said:
Having done a ten day vipassana meditation course and the reading of many teachers, I believe it happens like this...It isn't gradual, its just a sudden kick and you realize the whole thing has been pure imagination and you don't even need to work on dropping attachments, aversion, or cravings since why would you have any of those mental products towards a world that is completely bullshit and you are infinitely beyond.

The question is, how does one trigger such an awakening?





How do you snap yourself completely out of this dream? by understanding who/what you really already are

Quote:

I believe it happens like this...




Drop that belief, it doesn't even 'happen'

You simply Are existence itself, have always been & will always be so

That's the sudden kick, realizing 'you' can do absolutely nothing to get it because you are it




Right, agreed--all of this is understood but to convey it through language makes it seem otherwise. I accept on some level (be it emotional, intellectual) that "I am"...thats it....but this experience is certainly not that of a liberated being. Feelings are quite the opposite.

But thats what happened in my dream, when I came to waking conscious I suddenly realized I am not that person in that world, as those are fictions of my imagination and suddenly all fear and panic (Which was quite intense and real) was instantly released. and peace was found.


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: JackofSpades]
    #14563787 - 06/05/11 09:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i'd recommend studying, contemplating and meditating on emptiness, that's the mahayana buddhist answer anyways

reciting the heart and diamond sutras daily (or whenever you have time) is a great practice

it takes time because we're so conditioned into believing in self identities, inherent qualities, etc

also doing shamatha (calm abiding) meditation with the focus on emptiness, to the best of your current understanding, is great. you just let the mind rest in emptiness, it's very relaxing hehe, no specific technique required. i find it's often the best after reciting the two sutras i mentioned.

over time the mind really relaxes and doesn't take appearances to be real any more, it finds a very quiescent non-dual space, very peaceful - and eventually this should result in full awakening

also, accumulating merit is very important to understanding emptiness and making progress on any path. charity, volunteer, feeding animals, whatever. it's especially potent and said to be a transcendent practice if you do it in a state of realizing the emptiness of yourself, the act, and the recipient - also if you do it with bodhicitta motivation, which is the motivation to awaken infinite sentient beings (after which it will be as if no beings were awoken) :sun:

best of luck!


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: deff]
    #14564419 - 06/05/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Deff, I have always enjoyed reading your posts and have personally felt a connection with Buddhism since I was young, even when I was a die-hard atheist in high school I wrote an essay about how the buddha would be the one person I would like to meet (some stupid standardized testing essay topic idk) BUT after being in India, Bhutan, and Nepal for over 9 months now I see first of all that buddhism is just another religion, and second, that in a lot of ways so much of it has been taught through skillful means so that the whole thing is a massive contradiction and impossible to follow if you actually pay attention to what is said.

Achieve merit? but as the buddha says, he achieved nothing by becoming enlightened...the skillful means element destroys the whole ability to follow the "buddhist path" in a linear fashion and in my opinion this is entirely the buddha's point...Just wake the fuck up!

I've read several texts of renowned spiritual masters explaining how meditation is a lie as the present moment is perfect as it is...

however, because this whole existence is a contradiction, I see the value and wisdom in your post and will follow accordingly (seriously)

as you can see, the spiritual path :feelsweirdman:


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: JackofSpades]
    #14564438 - 06/05/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

New Horizons



Find your own Peace of Mind

Someday

Why not Today? 

Fuck all the rest of it.

I Say.


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #14564450 - 06/05/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I will be back in 5 days to respond.


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: JackofSpades]
    #14564528 - 06/05/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh for sure, the path is an illusion, but a necessary illusion imo

merit is empty, like everything else, but buddha also taught cause and effect and karma as relative truths. merit is like "positive dream energy" - like the rest of the dream it isn't real on the absolute level, but a necessary consideration to best navigate illusion and gather the conditions necessary for awakening. the two accumulations necessary for awakening are said to be merit and wisdom according to mahayana buddhism.

a lot of awakened or semi-awakened people seem to dismiss the path and dish out very abrupt one-liners on the awakened state. from their perspective, i'm sure these truths are blatantly obvious but i don't think this is the most skillful means to help others, i've yet to see it change anyone. often times these people went through a traditional path to awaken, then seem to think they can awaken others more directly, forgetting what they themselves had to go through. unless someone was enlightened in a previous life, i think most people need a more gradual approach, at leat initially. this is why buddha taught a path (or many paths), and didn't just say everything is perfect. i dunno :shrug:


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: deff]
    #14564550 - 06/05/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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oh for sure, the path is an illusion, but a necessary illusion imo

merit is empty, like everything else, but buddha also taught cause and effect and karma as relative truths. merit is like "positive dream energy" - like the rest of the dream it isn't real on the absolute level, but a necessary consideration to best navigate illusion and gather the conditions necessary for awakening. the two accumulations necessary for awakening are said to be merit and wisdom according to mahayana buddhism.

a lot of awakened or semi-awakened people seem to dismiss the path and dish out very abrupt one-liners on the awakened state. from their perspective, i'm sure these truths are blatantly obvious but i don't think this is the most skillful means to help others, i've yet to see it change anyone. often times these people went through a traditional path to awaken, then seem to think they can awaken others more directly, forgetting what they themselves had to go through. unless someone was enlightened in a previous life, i think most people need a more gradual approach, at leat initially. this is why buddha taught a path (or many paths), and didn't just say everything is perfect. i dunno :shrug:




hmmm makes sense...positive dream energy...but yah, its all empty, but its where you are that deems how empty it appears...


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: JackofSpades]
    #14564566 - 06/05/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There are infinite ways to speed it up but not significantly if the root of the issues are not handled (which usually comes on with a lot of fear or terror or immense anxiety which is from fear).

Be truthful.





Can you elaborate more on what you mean here?





Getting out of cycles, out of habits, out of egoic patterns of thought and actions (even verbal actions), consuming more healthy foods, doing healthy things for the physical body such as yoga, hiking, running, jogging, even if it's once a week it's a start. There are infinite ways but the root of all of these is an underlying fear that if you do 'awaken', there will be nowhere to go with it. Many people 'wake up' and with the expectation they will be taken to new realms and higher dimensions, move mountains or levitate or this and that and it's that fear of absolutely nothing that gets us all.

Being truthful simply means to cut the bullshit, for lack of a better word. Stopping the patterns of thought that one responds or reacts to at any given time, stopping the destructive cycles, stopping the fearfulness, stopping the unnecessary rituals that are done through fear of losing something, detaching, seeing attachments, the list really goes on and on and on.


A few months ago, I was in a small town in the middle of one of the most extraordinary natural worlds I have seen. I ate a mushroom a friend gave me with intention and began to walk. I met this person and I had this fierce energy of "i'm going to find it'. He was calm but could see this. He was smoking on the side of the 'path' and we talked for a bit. Everything I said he had a reply to. At the end he said "If you find something, you looked too hard and created illusion. There's nothing. Everything you find or think you found is a delusion of fear. There is nothing." I kept replying with stories and experiences of 'miracles' that pointed to this existence or that and this and that but he insisted, very calmly, "There's nothing lad." and that was the end.

It was true before you forgot it and it will be true after you remember it.

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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: JackofSpades]
    #14564573 - 06/05/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

purification is also a big part of the path

in tibetan buddhism, a student traditionally completes ngondro practice, which involves 100,000 each of prostrations, vajrasattva mantra for purifying karma/obstructions, mandala offerings for accumulating merit, and guru yoga prayers for blending one's mind with the guru's. this is all before one is even allowed to receive the main tantric practices.

the 100-syllable vajrasattva mantra for purification is:

oṃ
vajrasattva samayam anupālaya
vajrasattvatvenopatiṣṭha
dṛḍho me bhava
sutoṣyo me bhava
supoṣyo me bhava
anurakto me bhava
sarva siddhiṃ me prayaccha
sarvakarmasu ca me cittaṃ śreyaḥ kuru
hūṃ
ha ha ha ha hoḥ
bhagavan sarvatathāgatavajra mā me muñca
vajrī bhava mahāsamayasattva
āḥ

so it takes a while :lol:

but it's effects can be seen :sun:


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Re: Trapped in the Wake of a Dream [Re: JackofSpades]
    #14570048 - 06/06/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Right, agreed--all of this is understood but to convey it through language makes it seem otherwise. I accept on some level (be it emotional, intellectual) that "I am"...thats it....but this experience is certainly not that of a liberated being. Feelings are quite the opposite.





Refuse seeking to feel liberated in the future, only feel the existence in you which is liberated right now


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