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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14553803 - 06/03/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Like i said; it's about authority not dancing.  The Government always had to hire people who are more violent, and more willing than the average person in order to keep everyone in line and paying taxes.

If the Government loses it's grip over authority it's not long til it crumbles.

Hiring people to be obedient, no hesitation, violent thugs is one of the main requirements of any authoritarian government.

Once again it is necessary in order to maintain the perception of supreme authority over the people.

you;re supposed to feel like "resistance is futile."


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14553849 - 06/03/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Not Quite Social said:
Yeah, just let this thread die ...

STOP RESISTING!

That's what cops yell as they kick your ass.  It makes 'em feel all justified.

In this specific case, "Stop Resisting" is shorthand for: "not only were they dancing, they wouldn't stop when I told them nicely to stop; therefore, it's my duty to kick their asses."




so you have been in a cops mind before? how do you know this?

i respect cops because i dont want to ever get the short end of getting shot when i get my insurance out.

cops arent just on two sides of the law.  they are watched in their cars too.


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: Shins]
    #14553959 - 06/03/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree, Mr. Shins.  Violence is part of human nature.  If the ruling class did not harness and direct the violence, it might be a useless and destuctive thing, or even directed against them.  As is, through the good work of police, soldiers, lawyers and politicians, the threat of violence, and actual violence, has the face of a public servant.  Of course we're not slaves exactly, but there is some analogy in our society between cops and the wry old African-American put-down, "Head Negro In Charge".  Ultimately, our work and the rules we live by serve Master, and our enforcers stupidly accept their slightly privileged position among us.

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By the way, I'm a Wm Blake fan, myself, so I find it disheartening you, "the human abstract" would subscribe so readily to the idea of might makes right.  Do you know the story of Blake and the soldier in his garden?


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14553977 - 06/03/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There's such a contradiction between what you're espousing and your online moniker, that I think maybe you don't even know the poem from which your name originated!  Here it is.

The Human Abstract 
By William Blake

  Pity would be no more
If we did not make somebody Poor;
And Mercy no more could be
If all were as happy as we.

And mutual fear brings peace,
Till the selfish loves increase:
Then Cruelty knits a snare,
And spreads his baits with care.

He sits down with holy fears,
And waters the grounds with tears;
Then Humility takes its root
Underneath his foot.

Soon spreads the dismal shade
Of Mystery over his head;
And the Catterpiller and Fly
Feed on the Mystery.

And it bears the fruit of Deceit,
Ruddy and sweet to eat;
And the Raven his nest has made
In its thickest shade.

The Gods of the earth and sea
Sought thro' Nature to find this Tree;
But their search was all in vain:
There grows one in the Human Brain.

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Note the line, "Humility takes its root/Underneath his foot".

Peace


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14559679 - 06/04/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Heffy said:
Public places are not private businesses.




So enter a park. Shout... he's got a gun!

Let us know how that works out.

Or government office building. Shout... I've got a bomb!

Let us know how claiming freedom of speech works for you.

Or... just walk up to some big mean looking guy. Tell him his woman is an ugly skank.

Let us know how many teeth he knocks out.




Late post I know, but those are all bullshit hypothetical situations that don't even attempt to prove your point regarding 1st amendment rights.


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: Heffy]
    #14559696 - 06/04/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Heffy said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Heffy said:
Public places are not private businesses.




So enter a park. Shout... he's got a gun!

Let us know how that works out.

Or government office building. Shout... I've got a bomb!

Let us know how claiming freedom of speech works for you.

Or... just walk up to some big mean looking guy. Tell him his woman is an ugly skank.

Let us know how many teeth he knocks out.




Late post I know, but those are all bullshit hypothetical situations that don't even attempt to prove your point regarding 1st amendment rights.



Actually I think they are right on target as a refutation of some of the free speech absolutist nitwits.  There are, however, many many more examples that could be given.


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: Heffy]
    #14559922 - 06/04/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Heffy said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Heffy said:
Public places are not private businesses.




So enter a park. Shout... he's got a gun!

Let us know how that works out.

Or government office building. Shout... I've got a bomb!

Let us know how claiming freedom of speech works for you.

Or... just walk up to some big mean looking guy. Tell him his woman is an ugly skank.

Let us know how many teeth he knocks out.




Late post I know, but those are all bullshit hypothetical situations that don't even attempt to prove your point regarding 1st amendment rights.




It proves just what I was attempting to prove. First Amendment rights are not absolute.


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14559980 - 06/04/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No.


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: Heffy]
    #14559999 - 06/04/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes.

Or are you claiming they are absolute?

Or are you just desperate to see anther post with your name on it?


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14560464 - 06/04/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Or are you just desperate to see anther post with your name on it?




Says the guy with 10x my post count.


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14562872 - 06/05/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
You have a child's eye opinion about what the first amendment means.  It is not a license to annoy the fuck out of other people.





It kind of is - a little bit though... I dunno. Jail for dancing? Really?

The couple arrested were not annoying anyone....

I can't agree with this arrest. This was a fairly perfect parallel of the "Marijuana Laws". Someone wants to dance - it is "forbidden" - so the public laws force them into jail. Really? Why not just let them dance?
WTF?????????????? Why do you have to be sooooooooooooooo annoyed by someone's dancing/smoking, that you would put someone in a cage because they "annoy" you. I would consider someone a "freak" for wanting to "cage" someone.

You think I'm "annoying or weird" for smoking pot? You want to put me in a cage for engaging in nature? Maybe you have the issues?

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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: txlibertarian]
    #14562876 - 06/05/11 12:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OMGZ


someone dancing on your property when you tell them to stop isnt going to make you wanna call the cops in any way?


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: the human abstract]
    #14562897 - 06/05/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, so....

Should people smoking pot be arrested? Shroomers? Just curious? Tell me the penalty.

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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: txlibertarian]
    #14562903 - 06/05/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no people that really feel taht this countries laws are so evil shoudl move to cali

you can smoke pot with a card there :awehigh:


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: the human abstract]
    #14562912 - 06/05/11 01:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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the human abstract said:
OMGZ


someone dancing on your property when you tell them to stop isnt going to make you wanna call the cops in any way?




Of course. But it's not "your property" in question. It was public property...

Let's make a law to arrest all pot smokers on public property. Oh yea, that law already exists... Jail for pot smokers - YAY!

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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: txlibertarian]
    #14562921 - 06/05/11 01:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

NO IT IS NOT

since 1960 it is not.

:zomgwtf:


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: the human abstract]
    #14562971 - 06/05/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't understand....

Are you FOR arresting pot smokers? I'm confused. It seems really sadistic and weird to me. I'm not following...

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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: txlibertarian]
    #14562980 - 06/05/11 01:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so you are humiliated by facts?

if you dont agree with laws then the norm would be to go somewhere else




not hard watch!! 

  • get some credit cards
  • max on a house
  • declare bankruptcy
  • move to amsterdam


OR.

if you can get past the law like THOUSANDS do here then do that.


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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: the human abstract]
    #14562997 - 06/05/11 01:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

the human abstract said:
so you are humiliated by facts?

if you dont agree with laws then the norm would be to go somewhere else




not hard watch!! 

  • get some credit cards
  • max on a house
  • declare bankruptcy
  • move to amsterdam


OR.

if you can get past the law like THOUSANDS do here then do that.





Ok, I understand now. "Thousands" get away with smoking pot. "Hundreds of Thousands" are arrested each year.

You AGREE with arresting pot smokers. You must be a weird one. I don't want anything to do with you. Stay AWAY from me...

Edited by txlibertarian (06/05/11 01:46 AM)

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Re: Would you follow a law that makes no sense? [Re: Heffy]
    #14563202 - 06/05/11 03:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Heffy said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Or are you just desperate to see anther post with your name on it?




Says the guy with 10x my post count.




A simple "no, I have nothing with which to back up my claim", would have been sufficient.


Thanks for playing.


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