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Definition of Insantiy
#14562233 - 06/04/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So the other day I was getting high and was thinking what a person would have to do to qualify as insane. Obviously the legal definition of an insane person is one who is not mentally fit to stand trial because they either would not comprehend the charges or would not behave in a normal, rational way.
Anyway, while thinking this I wondered if a person who pretended to be insane would fit the definition of insanity.
I mean, if you wake up every day with the goal of acting like a crazy person, well that's insane right? Even if the person was perfectly "normal" or at least not insane before.
For example if I were to walk around all day spitting dirt at people, or if I ate clothes on the sidewalk, or screamed loudly in public places that the world was ending/aliens coming/rapture/etc., would that make me insane?
And if the answer is no, then what is the term for a person who is just incredibly weird for no apparent reason? Idk if this will even go anywhere, but I was really high and curious as to what you all think.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: halo]
#14562321 - 06/04/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So the other day I was getting high and was thinking what a person would have to do to qualify as insane.
Posting on a stoopid message board on a Saturday night instead of getting laid.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: halo]
#14562362 - 06/04/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cultural relativism, breh.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Poid] 1
#14562530 - 06/04/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Insanity is usually defined as trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Caspian021]
#14562605 - 06/04/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everyone's at least a little crazy, even if they won't admit it. Its all relative IMO.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Satyapriya]
#14568243 - 06/06/11 06:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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we are all insane by the definitions. the way human life and sanity is looked at is insane.
does anyone know anything about Gestalt Training? - it leads to undefining such things altogether, much more functional and healthy.
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we are all insane
so true
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Caspian021]
#14568664 - 06/06/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Insanity is usually defined as trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. "
This is a bad definition. It is more insane to think you can do the same thing twice.
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redgreenvines said: we are all insane by the definitions. the way human life and sanity is looked at is insane.
does anyone know anything about Gestalt Training? - it leads to undefining such things altogether, much more functional and healthy.
I hear pigeons are pros at seeing the gestalt picture.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: xFrockx]
#14568676 - 06/06/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Happy B-Day, Frock!
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: xFrockx]
#14568682 - 06/06/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey how old are you today? (I'll guess 16 )
Happy b day old timer.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Caspian021]
#14568690 - 06/06/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caspian021 said: Insanity is usually defined as trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
I thought that was called science.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Icelander]
#14568728 - 06/06/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Today is my fake shroomery birthday. According to the Gregorian calendar I'm 23.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: xFrockx]
#14568768 - 06/06/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think insanity is society based, and that any mind that doesn't fit standards of what society perceives or doesn't match up with the illusion of life created around us, then that person's mindset is insane or mentally handicapped, or some other mental disorder.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: xFrockx]
#14569003 - 06/06/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Today is my fake shroomery birthday. According to the Gregorian calendar I'm 23.
I was close.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Icelander]
#14569399 - 06/06/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is close?
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: halo]
#14569410 - 06/06/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Insanity is all about power, just like criminality.
Do you really think the psychiatrists who diagnose people are really "sane" ? Probably most of them do things that are outright maladaptive and bizarre, like watching reality television or smoking cigarettes.
You are insane either when you think you are or when someone in power diagnoses you as such.
Insanity is a label applied by those in power against those who lack the power to succesfully resist said label.
You are as crazy as my big stick and cage makes you. Get in the cage crazy monkey or I will hit you with my stick.
Edited by Jordan Black (06/06/11 01:22 PM)
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Smoking cigarettes may be ill-advised and even stupid, but hardly falls under the heading of insanity.
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But I am the one holding the stick. Thats the whole point. If smoking cigarettes isnt crazy, then nothing is, which is basically my point.
Nothing/everything is crazy. All that matters in the end is who holds the stick, and who has the key to the crazy cage
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I'd say your black and white thinking is pretty crazy
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Kickle]
#14569555 - 06/06/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Black and white thinking would be to say some things are crazy and some things are sane.
Saying that everything/nothing is crazy is actually more like "full color" thinking, recognizing that sane and insane are a spectrum of graduations whose delineations are arbitrary.
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that's pretty impressive to take "everything or nothing" as "a spectrum of graduations"
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Kickle]
#14569617 - 06/06/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, is it not sort of like saying "either everything is a color or nothing is"?
Although then you have the problem of the so called "shades" black, white and grey or whatever.
So are you saying you side with the shades? What makes a man turn neutral?
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Not sure I'm following. What I see is nature at work. Society is a product of being a social creature that finds survival and psychological benefits from the social structures it creates. One can view social animals in nature and watch what they do to their kind when they aren't clicking with the society but rarely do we view ourselves with this same lens.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Kickle]
#14569798 - 06/06/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was insane, but I was never able to understand what that really meant. I mean I can think I am talking to my computer and be "crazy" but if someone drops a bomb on a school following orders they are "sane" ?
But When I thought I could control traffic with my hands, that was crazy. SO I am crazy, but not anymore? If you are insane once, are you forever insane, or does insanity come and go? And if insanity comes and goes, does that not make it part of the normal human range of experience and thus not insane at all?
And if you had a culture where insane behavior was desired, it would not be considered insane and even the sane would emulate it.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: xFrockx]
#14569817 - 06/06/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: What is close?
What I was.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: Icelander]
#14569996 - 06/06/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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23 is close to 16?
The law in my state doesn't say so.
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Re: Definition of Insantiy [Re: xFrockx]
#14572482 - 06/07/11 12:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now thats an insane law. No logic there whatsoever...
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insanity is like velveeta mac n cheese to regular, i think an organized way of life is insane, does that make me sane in my unorganized life?
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