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OfflineWooden Spoon
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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14558861 - 06/04/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so theoreticly occasional use of drugs would not be harmful to spirtual growth...

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Re: living in the moment [Re: Wooden Spoon]
    #14558865 - 06/04/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

also what makes a certain food in a certain mode, i would think mushrooms would be in the mode of goodness, they are decomposers after all, they harm no other life form, all they simply do is break down dead matter for other organisms use...

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Re: living in the moment [Re: Wooden Spoon]
    #14559223 - 06/04/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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so theoreticly occasional use of drugs would not be harmful to spirtual growth...




I dont know. for me, personally, I feel I have enough confidence in my beliefs to not get confused. but who knows? I heard some people go crazy! and mushrooms are in the mode of ignorance since its a fungus and they arent clean, and some of them mess with ur mind.. .

I read little things here and there abt the philosophy,I hear the beliefs of the Hare Krishna's around me and what makes sense to me I apply to my life.

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Re: living in the moment [Re: Cynosure]
    #14559285 - 06/04/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There's really no tangible proof of the past,




Okay,

the scientist in me wants to know what all those fossils in the museums would be?  What about all the layers of rock that are visible when looking at cliff sides?  Look out into space, you are looking into the past.  Light from stars left those stars years ago, some of that light left many years ago.  Light from the Andromeda galaxy (most remote object visible to the naked eye) left there 2.2 million years ago! 

No tangible proof to the past?

By the way, I remember 50+ years of my own existence, all of which is in the past, even as I type this, these letters were typed in the past.

Dwell on what the past actually is, there is tangible proof.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: LanLord]
    #14559406 - 06/04/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dont believe in god, sorry you think you have all the answers but you really dont.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14559415 - 06/04/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Wooden Spoon said:
so theoreticly occasional use of drugs would not be harmful to spirtual growth...




I dont know. for me, personally, I feel I have enough confidence in my beliefs to not get confused. but who knows? I heard some people go crazy! and mushrooms are in the mode of ignorance since its a fungus and they arent clean, and some of them mess with ur mind.. .

I read little things here and there abt the philosophy,I hear the beliefs of the Hare Krishna's around me and what makes sense to me I apply to my life.




The mode of ignorance.  Says the guy who is just rambling on about dirty fungus and god.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14559422 - 06/04/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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gopi said:
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Wooden Spoon said:
so theoreticly occasional use of drugs would not be harmful to spirtual growth...




I dont know. for me, personally, I feel I have enough confidence in my beliefs to not get confused. but who knows? I heard some people go crazy! and mushrooms are in the mode of ignorance since its a fungus and they arent clean, and some of them mess with ur mind.. .

I read little things here and there abt the philosophy,I hear the beliefs of the Hare Krishna's around me and what makes sense to me I apply to my life.



I heard some guy took acid, now he thinks hes a cup of orange juice and is afraid to get tipped over.:bucktoothfattygangsta:


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Re: living in the moment [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14559428 - 06/04/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here is a article about how mushrooms have antibacterial potential.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1193547/

I thought you said these things weren't clean? :lolsy:


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Re: living in the moment [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14559640 - 06/04/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Here is a article about how mushrooms have antibacterial potential.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1193547/

I thought you said these things weren't clean? :lolsy:




. . . ."dirty" or not, its still fungus. did u know cow dung has antiseptic properties? should we eat cow dung?

read?: http://www.bhaktiyogaclub.com/vegetarian2.html

also: http://connect.krishna.com/node/5906
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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14559933 - 06/04/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When you say you have evidence of the past like a picture or a fossil what you have is not proof of a past but proof that there is a picture in the present. Everything is here, everything is now. The past and the future do not exist as places per say in the way you tend to think about it. The past and the future are created in the present. What you call the past is actually a simultaineously coexisting parallel reality. You are actually shifting your consciousness through billions of parallel realities a second to create the illusion of motion.What you call different moments are actually the same moment from a different point of view. There really is only one now creation moment. Everything exists NOW!
Also all of your past,present and future lives(incarnationally speaking)all exist NOW! Along side you on parallel tracks.

Everything is really ONE thing. The One is all, the all are one. I do not believe in this man-made, materialistic, dichotomy GOD. But I do know that the universe is friendly and unconditionally loving and supportive. You are so unconditionally loved and supported that you may choose to experience being unloved and unsupported. Creation doesn't care. YOu always have choice and freewill.

Remember..there is no outside! Physical reality is just a reflection of consciousness. It is just a dream. When you die it will be very much like waking from a dream. Then you will realize "Oh,this is reality" and the dream will fade and become less important but you will take from this experience what you needed as a spirit being.

At least this is the way I enjoy thinking. As I become more lucid in the dream of physical reality, I live with greater ease and contentment.
But these are just concepts, ideas I borrowed from Bashar. Once I understood the nature of the structure of existence everything became obvious. If you don't know who Bashar is I highly recommend getting to know him. His ideas have changed my feeling about life completely.

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Re: living in the moment [Re: Shroomy Dan]
    #14560114 - 06/04/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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When you say you have evidence of the past like a picture or a fossil what you have is not proof of a past but proof that there is a picture in the present. Everything is here, everything is now. The past and the future do not exist as places per say in the way you tend to think about it. The past and the future are created in the present. What you call the past is actually a simultaineously coexisting parallel reality. You are actually shifting your consciousness through billions of parallel realities a second to create the illusion of motion.What you call different moments are actually the same moment from a different point of view. There really is only one now creation moment. Everything exists NOW!
Also all of your past,present and future lives(incarnationally speaking)all exist NOW! Along side you on parallel tracks.

Everything is really ONE thing. The One is all, the all are one. I do not believe in this man-made, materialistic, dichotomy GOD. But I do know that the universe is friendly and unconditionally loving and supportive. You are so unconditionally loved and supported that you may choose to experience being unloved and unsupported. Creation doesn't care. YOu always have choice and freewill.

Remember..there is no outside! Physical reality is just a reflection of consciousness. It is just a dream. When you die it will be very much like waking from a dream. Then you will realize "Oh,this is reality" and the dream will fade and become less important but you will take from this experience what you needed as a spirit being.

At least this is the way I enjoy thinking. As I become more lucid in the dream of physical reality, I live with greater ease and contentment.
But these are just concepts, ideas I borrowed from Bashar. Once I understood the nature of the structure of existence everything became obvious. If you don't know who Bashar is I highly recommend getting to know him. His ideas have changed my feeling about life completely.




I really like the part that says everything is now, no matter what and that ur incarnations exist alongside urself on parallel tracks.
the first time I tripped I literally saw myself in the middle of existence and the different parallel realities alongside myself. I was stuck in space, I felt. anyway. . . .lol


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Re: living in the moment [Re: LanLord]
    #14561027 - 06/04/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There's really no tangible proof of the past,




Okay,

the scientist in me wants to know what all those fossils in the museums would be?  What about all the layers of rock that are visible when looking at cliff sides?  Look out into space, you are looking into the past.  Light from stars left those stars years ago, some of that light left many years ago.  Light from the Andromeda galaxy (most remote object visible to the naked eye) left there 2.2 million years ago! 

No tangible proof to the past?

By the way, I remember 50+ years of my own existence, all of which is in the past, even as I type this, these letters were typed in the past.

Dwell on what the past actually is, there is tangible proof.




You're taking things too seriously.

EDIT: Ah yes, Thank you Dan.

A fossil or a photograph isnt proof of the past. It's a peice of the present that has no connection to anything but what is being perceived in the present.

Furthermore, your memories also arent real, and are simply states of consciousness you experience now that you project into you 'past'. At no point is actually HAVING an experience a condition of perceiving you've had it.

I mean sure this is extreme and far fetched, but you really dont know that you arent a 9 year old in a coma fabricating all these 'memories' you have. Go ahead, GIVE me one of your memories, so I know that you actually have them. Oh right, you cant.

You know in a dream how you have all these built up assumptions about the dreamscape you're in? Where did those come from, and at which point do you enter the dream? Perhaps you're dreaming a dream where you already posted, and your mind is simply creating the 'memories' that you typed all that up, in the recent 'past', for continuities sake.

'proof of the past' is really only proof that there is a present in which we are viewing this seeming 'proof of a past time'. Keep in mind we're only using procedures invented by humans, to be perceived from a human nervous system, which may or may not have anything to do with the actual workings of the universe. We can only perceive to the extent with which our mechanisms allow us to perceive. Like we're stuck with heat-sensing goggles on, and sure we can see people in a dark room with those goggles, but we cant tell what color their shirts are, because the 'filter' we're using isnt designed to pick that up in this context.

So this illusion of 'time' is really only a construct of our own interpreting mechanism, so everything isnt happening at once. Outside of being a 'human mechanism', I dont think we would even have this 'time' to perceive.

Edited by Azure Essence (06/04/11 05:45 PM)

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Re: living in the moment [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14561103 - 06/04/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.




Thats cool my Dr is a Dr and he never has any problems with me consuming meat.

Man PETA has really made a mess.




PETA is a bunch of fucking lunatics that has nothing to do with this. I dont give a fuck if an animal dies, this isnt an ethical issue. Look at the digestive tract of a fucking tiger, and then the tract of an herbovore. Tell me which one is closest to that of a human. And dont use our pathetic excuse of 'canine' teeth for us eating meat. Until you can bite into and shred the flesh of a dying animal with those teeth, I'll concede to that, but while these teeth barely tear thru a peice of taffy, they're essentially useless for eating meat.

And you're a retard for thinking your docter is the be all and end all of what you should and shouldnt be doing. Chances are he thinks perscriptions drugs are miracles and marijuana is the scourge of existence.

I'm not saying in any way about this being a moral issue, its how we operate physiologically. Did you know it can take upwards of 5-10 years to fully and completely digest and pass red meat? Tell me, how healthy is that really?

Also I do completely acknowledge that plants feel pain, stress, fear, and trauma, so again, it isnt some ethical issue, and I hate the ones who do it for 'ethical' issues. I myself am not even a vegetarian, so I'm not holding some elitism above you. But just like we're evolutionarily designed to be bipedal, we're more or less evolutionarily designed to stick to a vegetarian diet.

Edited by Azure Essence (06/04/11 06:04 PM)

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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14561324 - 06/04/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you mentioning that animals are not for humans to eat think of this

i believe we are meet eaters.. but fresh meat hunted in the wild is different than the hormones and steroids they put in the meats today

i still enjoy a great juicy burger tho :yesnod:




we are different than bears, lions, and other carnivorous animals, though.
humans have the digestive track of a herbivorous animal. humans would die eating only meat since it has 0 fiber.

have u ever seen a bird, instinctively wanted to catch it, and sink ur teeth in? if so, ur father may very well be a cat.






Mmmm. We have an omnivorous teeth so do Chimps, they love a bit of cannibalism.  Very disturbing footage on a couple of wildlife doco's showing chimps catching and eating other (smaller) chimps from a neighboring clan.  They love it.  Beats working so hard to find all those berries.  So we would die eating only meat?  Better tell that to and Inuit (eskimo).  Try telling that to the new generation of teens who only eat fast food or meat.  Hardly any fibre.  They may die a few years earlier but for now are doing ok.

We are designed to survive in almost any situation, plants, animals doesn't matter, if you are hungry enough.  Nothing disappears faster than a steak in the frig of a vegetarian share-house.

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Re: living in the moment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14561345 - 06/04/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.




Thats cool my Dr is a Dr and he never has any problems with me consuming meat.

Man PETA has really made a mess.



Did you know it can take upwards of 5-10 years to fully and completely digest and pass red meat? Tell me, how healthy is that really?






Got a reference for that?  You have to be kidding right?  5-10 years? :smirk:

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Re: living in the moment [Re: farmer88]
    #14561557 - 06/04/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mmmm. We have an omnivorous teeth so do Chimps, they love a bit of cannibalism.  Very disturbing footage on a couple of wildlife doco's showing chimps catching and eating other (smaller) chimps from a neighboring clan.  They love it.  Beats working so hard to find all those berries.  So we would die eating only meat?  Better tell that to and Inuit (eskimo).  Try telling that to the new generation of teens who only eat fast food or meat.  Hardly any fibre.  They may die a few years earlier but for now are doing ok.

We are designed to survive in almost any situation, plants, animals doesn't matter, if you are hungry enough.  Nothing disappears faster than a steak in the frig of a vegetarian share-house.




so u're saying because chimps are cannibals that gives us an excuse eat flesh??

U're mistaken. I personally would die if I try to eat meat since I was born vegetarian.
at the end of the day only u are responsible for ur actions and omly u can change yourself.

if only your statements were valid. if u get down to the root of it all and stop making excuses, the vegetarian lifestyle is the way to be. and eskimos eat alot of fish, which is all fiber.




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Re: living in the moment [Re: farmer88]
    #14561696 - 06/04/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.




Thats cool my Dr is a Dr and he never has any problems with me consuming meat.

Man PETA has really made a mess.



Did you know it can take upwards of 5-10 years to fully and completely digest and pass red meat? Tell me, how healthy is that really?






Got a reference for that?  You have to be kidding right?  5-10 years? :smirk:




Sure, my dad's colonoscopy, I'll see if I can get the video footage for that

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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14563003 - 06/05/11 01:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mmmm. We have an omnivorous teeth so do Chimps, they love a bit of cannibalism.  Very disturbing footage on a couple of wildlife doco's showing chimps catching and eating other (smaller) chimps from a neighboring clan.  They love it.  Beats working so hard to find all those berries.  So we would die eating only meat?  Better tell that to and Inuit (eskimo).  Try telling that to the new generation of teens who only eat fast food or meat.  Hardly any fibre.  They may die a few years earlier but for now are doing ok.

We are designed to survive in almost any situation, plants, animals doesn't matter, if you are hungry enough.  Nothing disappears faster than a steak in the frig of a vegetarian share-house.




so u're saying because chimps are cannibals that gives us an excuse eat flesh??

U're mistaken. I personally would die if I try to eat meat since I was born vegetarian.
at the end of the day only u are responsible for ur actions and omly u can change yourself.

if only your statements were valid. if u get down to the root of it all and stop making excuses, the vegetarian lifestyle is the way to be. and eskimos eat alot of fish, which is all fiber.







I don't need excuses to eat meat, chimps don't either.  Fish are made of meat, not fibre.  Fish.are.made.of.meat.  I worked with a women vegetarian who had been trying to fall pregnant for two years, failed, not enough B12.  After two injections bingo!  No one is born vegetarian, you were either imprinted by a parent or you made a choice.  It's a choice, no one is right or wrong.  My opinion is just that, your opinion is just an opinion, I was swapping an opinion.  Sorry you cannot understand that.
I don't need to change myself, and I'm not trying to change you.  Except maybe to be more able to discuss concepts without personal attack.  Please read more and be a little more tolerate of those who make different choices to you.

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Re: living in the moment [Re: farmer88]
    #14563032 - 06/05/11 02:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

mm and funny enough mushrooms are the only source of b-12 for vegetarians... partly because they are dirty, dirt has a lot of b-12 in it, but there still is some b-12 in the fungus itself...

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Re: living in the moment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14563098 - 06/05/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Azure that's not an answer.  Don't make statements you cannot backup.

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