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Doctor_Inoc
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CONTROLLING YOUR TRICHS.
#14561051 - 06/04/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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By no means is what I'm about to prescribe to you, in anyway shape or form, a cure to an area where a massive trich outbreak has occurred. But, like the techniques (pasteurization and sterilization) we use to prepare our substrates, (grain or bulk) trich will definitely be knocked back to the point of containment by it. These are the principals and rational of what I'm about to prescribe to you.
Sterilization. In Mycology, cleanliness, as well as, preventive measures taken to sterility (IMHO/E) is what really separates the men from the boys, the G's from the toys, the cowboys from them city-slickers, the big dogs from the puppies, and so on and so forth..
To clean an area that's been infected by a contaminated grow, remove all linens, carpet, and cloths from the fruiting area and leave them out. Next, deep clean all surfaces of the compromised fruiting area with a powerful disinfectant, letting the area then air-dry.
If you have an air duct leading into the room, block it off or my favorite solution; Get you a high quality, return-air filter (these things are hepa-grade), measure than cut the filter to fit over the AC boot so that the filter overlaps all sides of the boot at least 2 inches. Double it up, and figure out a way to adhere the doubled up filter to surface where the air is being supplied from. This'll give you filtered temperature control, controllable to a degree.
Next, get a spray bottle (could be from a dollar store, it doesn't matter). Into the spray bottle, mix you a 1 part bleach to 10 parts water solution and spray all surfaces of the contaminated fruiting area, liberally, letting the area then air-dry.
As a preventative measure, I spray my fruiting area once a week with said bleach/water solution. Right in the middle of when substrates are being fruited. The solution in the air, for me, has never caused a problem to the fruiting substrates. I'm afraid anyone who says to the contrary has never applied a bleach/water solution as a preventative measure against contaminate, mold, and bacterial spores because, IT WORKS!.
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Re: CONTROLLING YOUR TRICHS. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
#14561098 - 06/04/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doctor_Inoc said: I'm afraid anyone who says to the contrary has never applied a bleach/water solution as a preventative measure against contaminate, mold, and bacterial spores because, IT WORKS!.
i dont know about anyone else, but i've done this before, and yes, while it does work, most people arent going to do it.
fact is, thats too much work for alot to do to be sure of ridding trich, which you will never fully take care of anyway.
necessary sterile procedures are fine, and your post is a good one, i'm not slamming that, as i said i've done it and occasionally still do, not to the degree you do and sans hepa filter because i do not need to spend more money on this hobby than i've pumped into it in the last couple years.
i personally dont have a huge trich problem, i feel its all about tweeking your growing environments and sterile procedure.
good post
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Re: CONTROLLING YOUR TRICHS. [Re: Synocybin]
#14561146 - 06/04/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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as long as you've been clean and sterile in all previous steps in a grow, and provided with adequate fae, contams won't be a big problem. your fruiting area need not be spotless. a fully colonized, healthy substrate is very resistant to contamination. quit freaking out, people!
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Tossing it out and starting over is easier.
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hes more talking about the actual environment around the contam'd area: curtains, walls, floor, what not.
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Re: CONTROLLING YOUR TRICHS. [Re: Synocybin]
#14561339 - 06/04/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah which would be the actual fruiting container. Just wash the greenhouse, SGFC, tubs, etc... and it will be fine.
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Breakfast Crew said: Yeah which would be the actual fruiting container..
I dont put curtains in my fruiting chamber..
do you?
i agree with just washing everything off and leaving the actual room as is.
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Re: CONTROLLING YOUR TRICHS. [Re: Synocybin]
#14595137 - 06/11/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Keeping in mind that fruiting substrates require very similar to the same conditions as contaminate, mold, and bacteria spores thrive in, as well as, once the substrates birthed, it's introduced into open environments, therefore collecting invader spores, why not reduce that spore count into your area, hence reducing the risk of contamination, if you can.?
You can wash a room ONCE but how is cleanliness to be maintained.?? Preventative Maintenance is the answer. Once everything is washed off, after a contamination out break, a great and easy way to keep up a viable level of cleanliness is to spray a 1:10 bleach/water solution from a spray bottle on all surfaces of your fruiting/colonizing area. Mycelium won't be bothered so long as you don't spray the solution constantly and directly onto the substrate or filter material of grain jars.
I say, IF you have the means, determination, imagination, and will, why not take every precaution to sterility you can think of AGAINST contamination.? Linens and carpets are a contamination spore nest and magnet and, SHOULD be removed from every fruiting area if it can be. If your in a situation where you can't remove the carpet, an alternative is to lay thick milled plastic over said carpet, providing an impenetrable, easy to clean barrier between your fruiting/colonizing area(s) and the contaminate spore nest below.
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Re: CONTROLLING YOUR TRICHS. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
#14595257 - 06/11/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doctor_Inoc said: Keeping in mind that fruiting substrates require very similar to the same conditions as contaminate, mold, and bacteria spores thrive in
Nope. Fruiting mushrooms thrive in a high FAE, turbulent air environment, while molds prefer stale, non-moving air.
Reducing spore count is a great goal, but providing the ideal fruiting environment is primary.
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Re: CONTROLLING YOUR TRICHS. [Re: wygram]
#14595425 - 06/11/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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wygram said:
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Doctor_Inoc said: Keeping in mind that fruiting substrates require very similar to the same conditions as contaminate, mold, and bacteria spores thrive in
Nope. Fruiting mushrooms thrive in a high FAE, turbulent air environment, while molds prefer stale, non-moving air.
Reducing spore count is a great goal, but providing the ideal fruiting environment is primary.
No, you'r right. I think what I'm trying to say is that in that careful balance of providing the proper RH while providing ample amounts of proper FAE fruiting requires, we teeter on the brink of environments that are ideal for contaminate, mold, and bacteria spores to thrive in.
I also agree with you about providing an ideal fruiting environments is primary. Thanks for recognizing that reducing spore count is a great goal for I feel reducing spore count in your fruiting area is just another step (maybe over-looked) in the great battle against the prevention contamination.
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