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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Brugman]
    #14559684 - 06/04/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I only get paranoid on bud because of its legality. I don't get more anxious around people than when I am not on them. I tend to not let myself trip myself up more when I'm high, too.

Benzos are effective at relieving anxiety, IMO, because they make you not care. The anxiety is still there, you just don't give a fuck. Kind of the same feeling you get from opiates. That indifferent euphoria that makes everything so fuzzy.

I only do benzos to potentiate the effects of opiates. I strongly dislike benzos on their own.

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Brugman]
    #14559725 - 06/04/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you co-opt your entire point when you value your subjective opinion over mine, i was simply stating what feels good to me and my experience with benzo anxiety and how cannabis has helped me with this, no where did i state this would work universally or for everyone

it is pretty obvious to tell how a benzo could lead to a cycle of anxiety and a need to dispell it. i was just telling everyhow how cannabis actually got me out of this cycle

also beanhead, the study you are presenting is fairly circumstantial, it's based on overconsumption of oral usage, i mainly smoke cannabis and i rarely if ever feel any anxiety. also it never explicitly states that gaba-a inhibition causes anxiety, i want it to be known that this is something beanhead is inferring himself from the facts that he has read. i do not believe him. for me cannabis definately relieves anxiety

i know what i like, i know what makes me feel good, stop trying to shove your opinion about pot causing anxiety down my throat becuase its pretty lame :thumbdown:


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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: AntiEverything]
    #14559802 - 06/04/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

AntiEverything... you are an idiot. 

You are pointing out everyone's fallacies and hypocrisy, but you fail to recognize your own.  Just because YOU do not feel anxiety, no matter how much you smoke doesn't mean that weed doesn't cause anxiety in some people. Because, it does.  Its a fact. I've experienced it, others have experienced it, I've SEEN people have weird freak out panic attacks because of weed.  Just because it doesn't happen TO YOU doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Here is a list (copy and pasted) of cannabis effects, both good and bad from erowid.

POSITIVE

    * mood lift, euphoria
    * increased giggling and laughing
    * relaxation, stress reduction
    * creative, philosophical, abstract, or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily
    * increased appreciation or awareness of music; deeper connection to music; increased emotional impact of music
    * increased awareness of senses (eating, drinking, smell)
    * change in experience of muscle fatigue; pleasant body feel; increase in body/mind connection
    * pain relief (headaches, cramps)
    * reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this)
    * boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny

NEUTRAL

    * general change in consciousness
    * increased appetite, snacky-ness
    * slowness (slow driving, talking)
    * change in vision, such as sharpened colors or lights
    * closed-eye visuals (somewhat uncommon)
    * tiredness, sleepiness, lethargy
    * stimulation, inability to sleep (less common)
    * blood-shot eyes (more common with certain varieties of cannabis and inexperienced users)
    * mouth dryness, sticky-mouth (varies with strain)
    * interruption of linear memory; difficulty following a train of thought
    * cheek, jaw, facial tension / numbness (less commonly reported)
    * racing thoughts (especially at high doses)
    * time sense altered (for example, cars seem like they are moving too fast); time dilation and compression are common at higher doses

NEGATIVE

    * nausea, especially in combination with alcohol, some pharmaceuticals, or other psychoactives
    * coughing, asthma, upper respiratory problems
    * difficulty with short-term memory during effects and during periods of frequent use (Ranganathan M, D'Souza DC, Psychopharmacology, 2006)
    * racing heart, agitation, feeling tense
    * mild to severe anxiety
    * panic attacks in sensitive users or with very high doses (oral use increases risk of getting too much)
    * headaches
    * dizziness, confusion
    * lightheadedness or fainting (in cases of lowered blood pressure)
    * paranoid & anxious thoughts more frequent
    * possible psychological dependence on cannabis
    * clumsiness, loss of coordination at high doses
    * can precipitate or exacerbate latent or existing mental disorders


Now I bolded all effects having to do with the topic of anxiety.  Including those that dismiss it, so you can't say I'm being one sided with this.  I'm not.  I also love weed.  But you can't just ignore a fact because it doesn't happen to you...

Does weed relieve stress? It can.
Does weed cause panic attacks? It can.

CAN is the keyword.

Also, just call it fucking weed.  People who refer to weed as some multi-word name, such as, "the good herb" are just annoying.  I especially find it funny when the younger kids refer to it as "Jah's Wonderful Gift to The People".  Shut the fuck up its weed.

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Funguspants]
    #14559822 - 06/04/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

wow you sound like a very confused soul.

i can call the good herb whatever the hell i please,first off

secondly, never once did i state that cannabis universally relives anxiety, i prefaced everything i said with an "imo" or an "in my perception of things". you are putting words in my mouth. theres no need to feel threatened by my opinion, or anyone elses opnion.


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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: AntiEverything] * 3
    #14559844 - 06/04/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You're right.  My soul is very confused.  I should go pick up some of Jah's wonderful gift to his great people... aka the great magical green herb of wonder and joy and go smoke it from my sacred rasta colored chalice (bought it offline from reallycoolsuperradmarijuanasmokingdevices.com) and have all my troubles blow away with the smoke. 


Also, did I mention I'm 16, white, and live in my parents pool house?
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Funguspants]
    #14559852 - 06/04/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14559909 - 06/04/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Beanhead said:


Everyone is diffirent

:happyweed:




Whatever

YOU ARE RIGHT!

feel better now :shrug:

Seems you're the one feeling threatened for no apparent reason.

Edited by Beanhead (06/04/11 12:38 PM)

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14559943 - 06/04/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Also cigarettes do not cause cancer because I dismiss it!

I'm too non-conformist to be non-conformist brah

:Trollface:

Perhaps you should look up what anxiety actually IS and just realize you are just dismissing facts because you don't understand them :lol: :lol: :lol:

Edited by Beanhead (06/04/11 12:57 PM)

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14560205 - 06/04/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Beanhead said:

Most certainly I do, here's some references:
http://neuro.cjb.net/content/20/7/2470.full

**Nora Laaris et. al., "Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a full agonist at CB1 receptors on GABA neuron axon terminals in the hippocampus." Neuropharmacology, Vol. 59, No. 1-2, 121-127. 2010.[

**A. Hoffman, "Mechanisms of Cannabinoid Inhibition of GABA-A Synaptic Transmission in the Hippocampus." J. Neurosci., 20(7):2470-2479. 2000.

Marijuana causes a physiological reaction that causes anxiety.

Depression of growth hormone and cortisol response to insulin-induced hypoglycemia after prolonged oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol administration in man.

Six hospitalized volunteer male subjects were given insulin, 0.15 U/kg, before and after 14 days of administration of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) at a dose of 210 mg/day. A diminished maximal serum human growth hormone (GH) increase followed the prolonged THC ingestion. The mean maximal GH response was: 52.6 ng/ml  /- 8.7 ( /-SE) before THC and 18.8 ng/ml  /- 6.7 ( /-SE) during THC, P less than 0.01; corresponding cortisol responses were 20.1 mug/dl  /- 3.0 before THC and 10.0 mug/dl  /- 1.1 during THC, P less than 0.05. The data suggest suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis after prolonged high dose THC use. This is consistent with other reported endocrine effects of marijuana in man.



Gamma-aminobutyric acid B receptor 1 mediates behavior-impairing actions of alcohol in Drosophila: adult RNA interference and pharmacological evidence.

Department of Psychiatry, Psychiatric Institute, University of Illinois, Chicago, IL 60612, USA.

In addition to their physiological function, metabotropic receptors for neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), the GABA(B) receptors, may play a role in the behavioral actions of addictive compounds. Recently, GABA(B) receptors were cloned in fruit flies (Drosophila melanogaster), indicating that the advantages of this experimental model could be applied to GABA(B) receptor research. RNA interference (RNAi) is an endogenous process triggered by double-stranded RNA and is being used as a tool for functional gene silencing and functional genomics. Here we show how cell-nonautonomous RNAi can be induced in adult fruit flies to silence a subtype of GABA(B) receptors, GABA(B)R1, and how RNAi combined with pharmacobehavioral techniques (including intraabdominal injections of active compounds and a computer-assisted quantification of behavior) can be used to functionally characterize these receptors. We observed that injection of double-stranded RNA complementary to GABA(B)R1 into adult Drosophila selectively destroys GABA(B)R1 mRNA and attenuates the behavioral actions of the GABA(B) agonist, 3-aminopropyl-(methyl)phosphinic acid. Moreover, both GABA(B)R1 RNAi and the GABA(B) antagonist CGP 54626 reduced the behavior-impairing effects of ethanol, suggesting a putative role for the Drosophila GABA(B) receptors in alcohol's mechanism of action. The Drosophila model we have developed can be used for further in vivo functional characterization of GABA(B) receptor subunits and their involvement in the molecular and systemic actions of addictive substances.




Since you've decided to quote this study again, I will again argue that the THC levels in this experiment do not in any way reflect the average cannabis user.  This study would be far more interesting if they had taken time to research average cannabis usage rates and done multiple tests with varying THC levels.  I know I certainly don't have any notable rebound anxiety from smoking pot, especially compared to true GABAergics like benzos, barbs and alcohol.

Just for a little personal touch, I've been smoking weed for ~7 years now.  I took a 2 year break from all substances in the middle and that's when my anxiety issues began to surface(age 18-20).  I'm chill as a cucumber sober unless I've been drinking or using other GABAs lately.  Cannabis brings out latent anxieties in me, although I don't mind it because then I solve the issues that bother me.  This effect is only while high though.

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
    #14560243 - 06/04/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The way I interpret it: ofcourse this study isn't for the average cannabis user. Nothing in moderation is (that) harmful so ofcourse these numbers are in excess...

Hence there only occurs something negative when you abuse.

Besides his arguments are pathetic at most; dismissing it because he smokes it instead of oral ingestion :lol:?

If I smoke cigarettes I won't get cancer, only by eating them. derp

And perhaps you aren't anxious (which is good) but THC does in fact do something to GABA which is related to anxiety issues. That's the point i'm trying to make...

Utterly dismissing it and putting weed (as always) on a high horse; it starts to get annoying. Better living through chemistry, I guess :shrug:

I've been smoking for a good 3 years whereas 2 years have been all day, every day. I don't notice any anxiety nor paranoia myself but I don't believe there are no consequences :wink:

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
    #14560255 - 06/04/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Last night my friend had a lot of xanax and i hadn't done it in awhile
so i snorted .25 which is how like like to do it.

not a whole bar just enough to chill out a bit


he was fucked up and lost all his xanax


there is a sweet spot that is easy to pass once you're fucked up and
aren't remembering shit
taking more seems like a good idea.

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: DeliciousVinyl]
    #14560283 - 06/04/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not dismissing the possibility, I hope that wasn't what I put across.  I can see where this effect happens when you smoke a ton, last year I was smoking like a freight train since I knew a lot of dealers and fuckheads that just always smoked a ton of weed but I don't do that anymore because it caused issues with me.  I simply stated that studies like this would be of more use to everyone if they used multiple test groups instead of just one massive one.  Too much of anything is bad for you, we know that.  What about moderation?  The relationship between the test groups would tell a lot of information IMO.  Maybe I'm just too picky.

Also, proverbial "don't snort benzos" comment.  Those .25 mg tabs probably dissolve really easily so sublingual is the way to go.. fast acting and efficient.

Edited by saxcidjazz (06/04/11 02:26 PM)

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
    #14560339 - 06/04/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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maestroelite said:
I'm not dismissing the possibility, I hope that wasn't what I put across.  I can see where this effect happens when you smoke a ton, last year I was smoking like a freight train since I knew a lot of dealers and fuckheads that just always smoked a ton of weed but I don't do that anymore because it caused issues with me.  I simply stated that studies like this would be of more use to everyone if they used multiple test groups instead of just one massive one.  Too much of anything is bad for you, we know that.  What about moderation?  The relationship between the test groups would tell a lot of information IMO.  Maybe I'm just too picky.

Also, proverbial "don't snort benzos" comment.  Those .25 mg tabs probably dissolve really easily so sublingual is the way to go.. fast acting and efficient.




Most definetly not; question everything!

Now enough of derailing this thread

enjoy all your benzos people :cheers:

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14560902 - 06/04/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So i can disolve temazepam under my tounge? i tried it when i was realy high on them but i dont remember if it worked


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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
    #14560917 - 06/04/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i take a bar and have time to roll a blunt and pour a drink

as soon as im half way through the blunt the void of xanax takes hold

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: AntiEverything]
    #14560961 - 06/04/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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AntiEverything said:
:gaystapo:





I was mocking you in that post, thusly, YOU are gaystapo.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
    #14562374 - 06/04/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I said you'd be better off doing that with the small Xanax because they dissolve quickly in your mouth.  Some benzos are intended for sublingual use, if you have the same type of temazepam I've seen there's a lot of binders and its pretty active orally.  I had the 30s though 15 was usually sufficient.

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
    #14562408 - 06/04/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol some are actually disigned for rectal too..

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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
    #14562428 - 06/04/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've never "enjoyed" benzos, personally. They are great when I'm dealing with anxiety bad enough to hamper my abilities, which is not often. As a recreational drug they hardly even get you "high" and I can't feel them at all unless I mix them with liquor, which itself is a very bad idea. It seems like the few times I got well and truly high on them I also blacked out and couldn't remember it. Not too fun IMO.

I've never tried barbiturates, though. I'd love to try qualudes, they sound like more fun than a barrel of monkeys.


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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14562887 - 06/05/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Who in there rite mind would inject benzos up there assholes!?!?

*oh god i cant handle this!* *bends over*


Yeah a pill would be alot easyer.





Is it okay to take like 5mg temazepam and drink a fair bit of beer? I dont enjoy my temaze


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