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They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil
    #14559057 - 06/04/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Familiar?

Congratulations, it's not just you, it's called Night Terrors and they happen to many people all over the world.

Are they real? Toughie. Theres something thats going to sit on your chest at night, suffocating you, thats presumably amorphous. You give it shape. It can be a dusty coal black creature, or an evil leathery leprechaun like witch, or a black cat. Or undifferentiated as an amorphous mass.  But it does hop on your chest, often throws you around like a ragdoll if you struggle, is quite evil and constricts your breath.

Heres a sighting dating several centuries back:



They come to you when you fall asleep or wake up in a state known as Sleep paralysis.

But this type of creature is described the world over:

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East Asia

    In Chinese culture, sleep paralysis is widely known as "鬼壓身/鬼压身" (pinyin: guǐ yā shēn) or "鬼壓床/鬼压床" (pinyin: guǐ yā chuáng), which literally translate into "ghost pressing on body" or "ghost pressing on bed." A more modern term is "夢魘/梦魇" (pinyin: mèng yǎn).
    In Japanese culture, sleep paralysis is referred to as kanashibari (金縛り, literally "bound or fastened in metal," from "kane" (metal) and "shibaru" (to bind, to tie, to fasten). This term is occasionally used by English speaking authors to refer to the phenomenon both in academic papers and in pop psych literature.[28]
    In Korean culture, sleep paralysis is called gawee nulim (Hangul: 가위눌림), literally meaning "being pressed down by a scissor". It is often associated with a superstitious belief that a ghost or spirit is lying on top of or pressing down on the sufferer.
    In Mongolian culture, nightmares in general as well as sleep paralysis is referred to by the verb-phrase khar darakh (written kara darahu), meaning "to be pressed by the Black" or "when the Dark presses". "Kara" means black and may refer to the dark side personified. "Kharin buu" means shaman of the Black (shamans of the dark side only survive in far-northern Mongolia), while "tsaghaan zugiin buu" means shaman of the white direction (referring to shamans who only invoke the benevolent spirits). Compare 'karabasan' (the dark presser) in Turkish, which may date from pre-Islamic times when the Turks had the same religion and mythology as the Mongols. See Mythology of the Turkic and Mongolian peoples and Tengriism.

[edit] South-East Asia

    In Cambodian, Laotian, and Thai culture, sleep paralysis is called phǐǐ am and khmout sukkhot. It is described as an event in which the person is sleeping and dreams that one or more ghostly figures are nearby or even holding him or her down. The sufferer usually thinks that he or she is awake but unable to move or make any noises. This is not to be confused with pee khao and khmout jool, ghost possession.
    In Hmong culture, sleep paralysis is understood to be caused by a nocturnal pressing spirit, "dab tsog." Dab tsog attacks "sleepers" by sitting on their chests, sometimes attempting to strangle them. Some believe that dab tsog is responsible for Sudden Unexpected Nocturnal Death Syndrome (SUNDS), which claimed the lives of over 100 Southeast Asian immigrants in the late 1970s and early 1980s. In Sleep Paralysis: Night-mares, Nocebos, and the Mind-Body Connection (Rutgers University Press, 2011), Shelley Adler, PhD, offers a biocultural perspective on sleep paralysis and the sudden deaths. She suggests that an interplay between the Brugada syndrome (a genetic cardiac disorder) and the traditional meaning of a dab tsog attack are at the heart of the sudden deaths.[29]
    In Vietnamese culture, sleep paralysis is referred to as "ma đè", meaning "held down by a ghost" or "bóng đè", meaning "held down by a shadow".
    In Philippine culture, "bangungut", or sudden unexplained death syndrome, has traditionally been attributed to nightmares.[30] People who have claimed to survive such nightmares have reported experiencing the symptoms of sleep paralysis.[citation needed]
    In New Guinea, people refer to this phenomenon as "Suk Ninmyo", believed to originate from sacred trees that use human essence to sustain its life. The trees are said to feed on human essence during night as to not disturb the human's daily life, but sometimes people wake unnaturally during the feeding, resulting in the paralysis.
    In Malay of Malay Peninsula, sleep paralysis is known as 'kena tindih' (or 'ketindihan' in Indonesia), which means "being pressed".[31] Incidents are commonly considered to be the work of a malign agency; occurring in what are explained as blind spots in the field of vision, they are reported as demonic figures.

[edit] South Asia

    In Pakistan, sleep paralysis is considered to be an encounter with Shaitan (Urdu: شيطان ) (Satan), evil jinns or demons who have taken over one's body. Like Iran, this ghoul is known as 'bakhtak' (Urdu: بختک). It is also assumed that it is caused by the black magic performed by enemies and jealous persons. People, especially children and young girls, wear Ta'wiz (Urdu: تعویز) (Amulet) to ward of evil eye. Spells, incantations and curses could also result in ghouls haunting a person. Some homes and places are also haunted by evil ghosts, satanic or other supernatural beings and they could haunt people living there especially during the night. Muslim holy persons (Imams, Maulvis, Sufis, Mullahs, Faqirs) perform exorcism on individuals who are possessed. The homes, houses, buildings and grounds are blessed and consecrated by Mullahs or Imams by reciting Qur'an and Adhan (Urdu: أَذَان), the Islamic call to prayer, recited by the muezzin.
    In Tamil Nadu and Sri Lankan Tamil culture, this particular phenomenon is referred to as 'Amuku Be' or 'Amuku Pei' meaning "the ghost that forces one down".
    In Nepal, especially Newari culture it is also known as 'Khyaak' a ghost-like figure believed to reside in the darkness under the staircases of a house.

[edit] Middle-East, Western and Central Asia

    In Arabic Culture, sleep paralysis is often referred to as 'Kaboos' (Arabic: كابوس‎), literally "presser" or 'Ja-thoom' (Arabic: جاثوم‎) literally "What sits heavily on something", though the term 'Kaboos' is also used to refer to any form of bad dreams. In folklore across Arab countries, the 'Kaboos' is believed to be a shayṭān or a ‘ifrīt which sits, heavily, on people's chests.
    In Turkish culture, sleep paralysis is often referred to as "karabasan" ("The dark presser/assailer"). It is believed to be a creature that attacks people in their sleep, pressing on their chest and stealing their breath. However, folk legends do not provide a reason why the devil or ifrit does that.
    In Persian culture it is known as 'bakhtak' (Persian: بختک), which is a ghost-like black creature that sits on the dreamer's chest, making breathing hard for him/her.

[edit] Africa

    In African culture, isolated sleep paralysis is commonly referred to as "the witch riding your back".[24][25]
    Several studies have shown that African-Americans may be predisposed to isolated sleep paralysis also known as "the witch is riding you" or "the haint is riding you".[26] In addition, other studies have shown that African-Americans who have frequent episodes of isolated sleep paralysis, i.e., reporting having one or more sleep paralysis episodes per month coined as "sleep paralysis disorder," were predisposed to having panic attacks.[32] This finding has been replicated by other independent researchers.[33][34]
    Ogun Oru is a traditional explanation for nocturnal disturbances among the Yoruba of Southwest Nigeria; ogun oru (nocturnal warfare) involves an acute night-time disturbance that is culturally attributed to demonic infiltration of the body and psyche during dreaming. Ogun oru is characterized by its occurrence, a female preponderance, the perception of an underlying feud between the sufferer's earthly spouse and a 'spiritual' spouse, and the event of bewitchment through eating while dreaming. The condition is believed to be treatable through Christian prayers or elaborate traditional rituals designed to exorcise the imbibed demonic elements.[35]
    In Zimbabwean Shona culture the word Madzikirira is used to refer something really pressing one down. This mostly refers to the spiritual world in which some spirit—especially an evil one—tries to use its victim for some evil purpose. The people believe that witches can only be people of close relations to be effective, and hence a witches often try to use one's spirit to bewitch one's relatives.
    In Ethiopian culture the word 'dukak' is used, which is believed to be an evil spirit that possesses people during their sleep. Some people believe this experience is linked to use of Khat ('Chat'). Khat users experience sleep paralysis when suddenly quitting chewing Khat after use for a long time.
    In Swahili speaking East Africa, it is known as 'jinamizi', which refers to a creature sitting on one's chest making it difficult for him/her to breathe. It is attributed to result from a person sleeping on his back. Most people also recall being strangled by this 'creature'. People generally survive these 'attacks'

[edit] Europe

    In Hungarian folk culture sleep paralysis is called "lidércnyomás" ("lidérc pressing") and can be attributed to a number of supernatural entities like "lidérc" (wraith), "boszorkány" (witch), "tündér" (fairy) or "ördögszerető" (demon lover).[36] The word "boszorkány" itself stems from the Turkish root "bas-", meaning "to press".[37]
    In Iceland folk culture sleep paralysis is generally called having a "Mara". A goblin or a succubus (since it is generally female) believed to cause nightmares (the origin of the word 'Nightmare' itself is derived from her name). Other European cultures share variants of the same folklore, calling her under different names; Proto-Germanic: marōn; Old English: mære; German: Mahr; Dutch: nachtmerrie; Icelandic, Old Norse, Faroese, and Swedish: mara; Danish: mare; Norwegian: mare; Old Irish: morrigain; Croatian, Serbian, Slovene: môra; Bulgarian, Polish: mara; French: cauchemar; Romanian: moroi; Czech: můra. The origin of the belief itself is much older and goes back to the reconstructed Proto Indo-European root mora-, an incubus, from the root mer- "to rub away" or "to harm".
    In Malta, folk culture attributes a sleep paralysis incident to an attack by the "Haddiela" who is the wife of the "Hares", an entity in Maltese folk culture that haunts the individual in ways similar to a poltergeist. As believed in folk culture, to rid oneself of the Haddiela, one must place a piece of silverware or a knife under the pillow prior to sleep.
    In Greece and Cyprus, it is believed that sleep paralysis occurs when a ghost-like creature or Demon named Mora, Vrachnas or Varypnas (Greek: Μόρα, Βραχνάς, Βαρυπνάς) tries to steal the victim's speech or sits on the victim's chest causing asphyxiation.

[edit] Americas

    During the Salem witch trials several people reported nighttime attacks by various alleged witches including Bridget Bishop that may have been the result of sleep paralysis.[38]
    In Mexico, it is believed that this is caused by the spirit of a dead person. This ghost lies down upon the body of the sleeper, rendering him unable to move. People refer to this as "Subirse el Muerto" (Dead Person on you).[citation needed]
    In many parts of the Southern United States, the phenomenon is known as a "hag", and the event is said to often be a sign of an approaching tragedy or accident.
    In Newfoundland and Labrador, it is known as the 'Old Hag'.[39] In island folklore, the Hag can be summoned to attack a third party, like a curse. In his 1982 book, The Terror that Comes in the Night, David J. Hufford writes that in local culture the way to call the Hag is to recite the Lord's Prayer backwards. It is also common for believers to claim that those who are not wakened from this paralysis will die.
    In contemporary western culture it is believed that the phenomenon of reported Alien abduction is caused by sleep paralysis where the hallucination of aliens has been generated by 20th and 21st century science fiction.[40]






A hot night, a heavy meal, stimulant and MDMA analog abuse all are conductive to ending up in the realm of sleep paralysis and possibly meeting this "entity".

What I generally do is when I notice i'm in that state I try as hard as I can to violently shake my limbs. That wakes you up. As episodes often recur the moment you fall back to sleep at this point I tend to reach for the equivalent of 20mg valium, sit behind the computer till it kicks in, then lay down again, which usually bypasses the Sleep Paralysis stage by rapidly falling asleep.

I only had it in my adult life because of abuse of MDMA or close analogs like 6-ABP and Methylone, and this a few nights after the abuse took place.

It can be so unbelievably upsetting that if I abuse an MDMA analog I will take the equivalent of 20mg Valium each night for a week to beat it, and taper to zero in the week thereafter, just to avoid the experience.

Bad trips asre nothing in comparison to the level of terror such an encounter can produce. I generally need nitro immediately after the occurrence vs chest pain, its that bad. As you saw in the quote, it can be an actual attack on your health.

Another creature you can encounter, depending on your sexual affiliation is the Incubus, the Succubus (yes they make same sex house calls if you're gay, I find them very pleasurable) and more forcefully so, the Popobawa.

Key features as opposed to lets say Alien Abduction is that it comes to you in your bedroom, it lies on top of you and does something, be it take your breath, rides you like a horse or sex you up with or without your consent.

Does anyone else have experiences with this phenomenon?


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: Asante]
    #14559071 - 06/04/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

yes.  it sucks.  and its the most terrifying experience one can imagine.  terrible, terrible ,terrible.


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    #14559079 - 06/04/11 07:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck those things. They used to haunt me when I was a child and upwards until my teen years.

I used to always jump out of my bed as a child and hide, trembling with fear, never to sleep until sunrise.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: Asante]
    #14559083 - 06/04/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting.  I guess I always sort of assumed night terrors were just a sever nightmare.

Its also curious that the DSM-IV clinical criteria usually describe amnesia.  It seems though that you guys clearly remember yours...


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    #14559098 - 06/04/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Can't say that has ever happened to me but it sounds pretty terrible. I have a hard time remembering my dreams despite my efforts I think it might have to due with regular marijuana usage. Sometimes when I'm drifting off I'll "hear" a loud noise or something shocks me out of sleep really fast but that's it.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: badchad]
    #14559103 - 06/04/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Some people who die in their sleep don't die peacefully but are literally scared to death, the facial expression, a mask of terror, is telltale. Those of us who had em have a pretty good idea what they encountered.

Take the most scared you ever been while sober and mentally healthy and multiply by oh say, five?

Its extremely upsetting, often traumatically so.


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    #14559109 - 06/04/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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gzuf said:
Can't say that has ever happened to me but it sounds pretty terrible. I have a hard time remembering my dreams despite my efforts I think it might have to due with regular marijuana usage. Sometimes when I'm drifting off I'll "hear" a loud noise or something shocks me out of sleep really fast but that's it.



The worst nightmares are the ones where you are incapacitated by an invisible force, while the assailant taunts/advances towards you slowly. I wake up screaming to those, because I feel so helpless AND I can't wake up


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    #14559113 - 06/04/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

a few years ago I used to have a lot of these night terrors. Lately I've had more nightmares but the really fucked up, anxiety generating ones, every night. I'd go to bed at 2am and wake up extremely nervous and in panic at 7am, wouldn't be able to fall asleep again. Started taking valerian root, although it doesn't make the nightmares go away it does make me feel more relaxed about them. Today I had this delicious dream about a menage a trois w/my bf and another girl.


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    #14559123 - 06/04/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've encountered it a few times. It is totally like the write up. I have also had what seem to be classic alien abduction scenarios a few times when I was about 9. All in all I sleep pretty well nowadays unless I am detoxing on something or another.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: altershroom]
    #14559133 - 06/04/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Oh this one is nice:





They are usually between the size of a cat or a large dog though.


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    #14559135 - 06/04/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've had sleep paralysis a couple times, often accompanied with auditory hallucinations. Never with anything on my chest though. And although while theyre happening its the most terrifying feeling I've ever experienced once I wake up I find them strangely exhilarating.

I enjoy nightmares to the point where I try to induce them occasionally, but I'm rarely successful


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    #14559139 - 06/04/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've never had sleep paralysis, so I can't imagine exactly how scary and upsetting it can be.

I've know a few people who have had it happen to the a few times, and they all say it was horrible. If it's like the descriptions above, it must be terrifying.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: Tritium]
    #14559145 - 06/04/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I've had sleep paralysis a couple times, often accompanied with auditory hallucinations. Never with anything on my chest though. And although while theyre happening its the most terrifying feeling I've ever experienced once I wake up I find them strangely exhilarating.





Wait how exhilarated you're going to be if some asphyxiating creature decides to take advantage of the situation, a good sized one that presses the air from you, does not leave when you feel you wake up, and when you finally do actually RL wake up, sends a shriek after you, a cold malicious laugh or a vow to be back when you close your eyes again. A vow, typically kept.


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    #14559149 - 06/04/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

on the latest most fucked up, my bf had to wake me up. According to him I was grinding/beating my teeth/jaws so hard he says he doesn't even know how I didn't break a tooth.


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    #14559150 - 06/04/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ive had that once and when i woke in the sleep paralysis in the corner of my room i couldnt move my body or face to look at it but i could still see this black cloud hovering in the right corner of my room. like the size of a exhale of smoke but if it were black. i thought it was creating the paralysis when i looked at it cuz thats when it was happening.. a second or two later i was able to move

and lastnight and the night before ive had shitty dreams. 2 nights ago i feel the presence of a dead ghost cat in my room. i have no other way to explain it. but i feel its body or some shit jump up on my bed. i think im dreaming..

and lastnight i felt it on my bed again, it woke me up


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    #14559201 - 06/04/11 08:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My latest encounter with one of those was a brownish female hag about the size and stoutness of a robust baby.

I saw something moving in the darkness. Me, Mr Genius goes: "come, don't be afraid". It walked around my bed to the foot end, I could feel it brush past the sole of my foot as it climbed on, then took position on my chest then materialized as an old midgety leprecaun sort of hag, female, foot and a half long, weighing approx 15lbs, wearing a hooded brown leather outfit (really a lot like in the vid I posted but a lot more humanoid-faced, clearly human and supernatural-powered, a witch/hag type) I go "GO AWAY!!!" she just slams me in my matress, sitting on my chest growling evilly anmd highly aggressively: "WELL THAT ISNT VERY NICE!" and starts a ferociously angry rant that I lost to amnesia but I know it was very psychologiocally hurtful and I got slammed into the matress several times until I remembered "shaking myself awake" and woke up.

At the end of that sequence that lasted several nights I was visited by an Incubus type spirit of neither gender who slipped into my bed, upon questioning it it told me it was there to offer me sexual pleasure. It was invisible, yet very arousing. I proceeded fucking it until the fucking got so rough it woke me up :facepalm:
That was highly erotic but very scary in a way as it felt really there, I couldnt see it but it was tangible, not at all human and not even gendered. It was completely invisible but you could hold onto it like there was an actual (unhuman) body there. It was humansized but unhuman and felt entirely made of solid flesh, no hairlike or fatty textures. No body temperature either, neither warm or cold. It played my mind like a fiddle and did seduce me to intercourse with something inhuman though so it was one of the Incubus/Succubus type.
I was really pissed off I woke up from that one. I felt no evil of any kind, more a kind of spirit that draws some kind of nourishment from getting a human all excited, in a benign way.
I hope it'll be back, I have some more questions to ask it and I want to see what happens after a full sequence. Also, I'd like to see it, even if thats a major turnoff.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest.You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises.They're Evil [Re: Asante]
    #14559244 - 06/04/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

great thread. very interesting :awehigh:

Never experienced this phenomenon myself, but I've heard stories from friends.

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    #14559277 - 06/04/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My daughter had bad constant reoccuring night terrors between the ages of 2 and 4.  She has not had them for the last couple years.

She would start screaming, and either violently trash around, or start sleep walking in a weird mental state.

We googled it, asked a few of our psychiatrist friends for recommendations, but never have we heard of those mythical creatures that sit on your chest or ghosts' that take your breath away.  Personally I feel there is a logical reason for sleep paralysis, more so than ghosts and whatnot. 

With our daughter, we found that what she eat's a couple hours before bed is what determined if she would have a night terror or not.  So heavy meats ( red meat like cow, deer, moose ) we stopped feeding her in the evenings, stuck to fish, soy, beans and that kinda stuff for protein and that made the difference.

I have no medical training, or any logical explanation other than a hunch, but I feel a strong imagination combined with your body working either on digesting, or some other energy consuming process is what will cause a night terror. 

I have had them too, I understand what the terror is all about, but its something that happens:shrug:  nothing to really worry about imo


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest.You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises.They're Evil [Re: Asante]
    #14559291 - 06/04/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've discussed this with a doctor at my work (I work in a sleep clinic), because I've had it happen a few times. Apparently it only happens to like 5% of people. Craziness...


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    #14559315 - 06/04/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Interesting.  I guess I always sort of assumed night terrors were just a sever nightmare.

Its also curious that the DSM-IV clinical criteria usually describe amnesia.  It seems though that you guys clearly remember yours...




yeah, and night terrors usually involve you thrashing about and screaming.

sounds more like he is talking about sleep paralysis (parasomnia NOS) with hypnagogic hallucinations.

i had some sleep paralysis like that a few days ago actually. i was dreaming but completely aware of my room around me and then started to have this feeling like something really bad was going to happen. all of a sudden, i felt this thing reach over me and pin me down. i repeatedly looked up and saw its outline but i couldn't move. after a minute or so i "woke up," but not like normal waking up. i just kinda realized that i had my eyes open and i could suddenly move again.


***re-read the other posts. wiccan did mention sleep paralysis. what i was trying to say is that in psych, sleep paralysis is different to night terrors. both are scary though


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    #14559381 - 06/04/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

this happens to me, but only very slightly, im usually so asleep that i barely notice that its happening.  Its like i want to roll over to a side but it takes me a while to do it.  So like a very mild case of it i guess


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    #14559384 - 06/04/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i have often had similar episodes, in recent attempts to induce lucid dreaming.  a few times i awoke feeling paralyzed and feeling like there were hands around my ankles, trying to drag me off the bed, or just thrashing me about.

usually when the dragging thing happens im dreaming, and there is something in this field, im running from ,cant see it ,but can hear  it gaining on me, i fall ,and awaken feeling horrible anxiety, and pulse pounding, feeling near ,heart exploding throbbing,sweating.

i was often visited by a dead friend whom overdosed,as well, ( can read in my other post). when i done what he had asked, i never dreamt of him again.


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    #14559439 - 06/04/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have heard that these terrors come from your body ceasing to remain consciously asleep, while your mind fails to cease production of the chemical that paralyses your body while you sleep.

SO you're half-awake (why you remember it) and half asleep (why you cant move, why you're seeing things).



The worst time it happened to me I was laying in bed, and heard the sliding lock & deadbolt on my apt door come open.  I thought "this is it, go get your gun" - but I found i was paralysed with fear.  COuldn't move, couldn't talk.  Tried waking my girlfriend, laying next to me, but my atempts at speaking failed miserably.

I hear this being walking from my front door, through the living room, across the hall, and I see him come into my bedroom.  He's 5'9", wearing jeans and a shiney silver shirt (like you'd wear to the club).  He was bald and sinister.  He walked slowly over next to my bed, staring at my girlfriend.  Doing everything I could, I tried to wake, to wake her, to kill him, to do ANYTHING.  He noticed my helpless paralyzed struggles and looked over at me.  Smiled slowly, and then proceeded to lower him self down over my girl, ready to rape her.  (My girl has been raped in the past and I have had a very tough time coming to terms with her having to go through such a rediculously horrible experience, even though it was 8 yrs before we started dating).

Needless to say, I woke up wiht a bpm of ~180 and thought i was going to die.  I literally lurched up ready to kill the man that was 24" from where I lay, but as soon as I sat up (my gf bumped my arm and knocked me out of it) he was gone.







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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: Asante]
    #14559452 - 06/04/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I thought this thread was going to be about cats... :shrug:

Never experienced night terrors or sleep paralysis but one of my friends has had them on and off over his life. Crazy shit.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: 4runner]
    #14559458 - 06/04/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have never had any issues with night terrors or have even known anyone who has them.

I thought this thread was going to be about H.P. Lovecraft though because of the picture Wiccan posted. It is the cover of one of his books.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: Asante]
    #14562088 - 06/04/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I've had sleep paralysis a couple times, often accompanied with auditory hallucinations. Never with anything on my chest though. And although while theyre happening its the most terrifying feeling I've ever experienced once I wake up I find them strangely exhilarating.





Wait how exhilarated you're going to be if some asphyxiating creature decides to take advantage of the situation, a good sized one that presses the air from you, does not leave when you feel you wake up, and when you finally do actually RL wake up, sends a shriek after you, a cold malicious laugh or a vow to be back when you close your eyes again. A vow, typically kept.




I can't say for sure because I've never experienced it, but I think I would like to meet one of these things. Sleep is the only place where you can experience the most intense fear possible without being in any physical danger


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    #14562114 - 06/04/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've never had the creature actually sit on my chest, but once I saw a swarm of giant bats coming out from under my bed. More recently, I got experimented upon by babies in space suits.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: Tritium]
    #14562120 - 06/04/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Sleep is the only place where you can experience the most intense fear possible without being in any physical danger



I'm not sure if this thread has made this little tidbit of info clear or not, but let me fill you in:  while you're laying there -- the danger seems VERY REAL.  Logic isn't exactliy tangible.  I feel it would be very difficult to say "this is an illusion, I am fine".

In fact, a few weeks after my extremely intense sleep paralysis episode where the being broke into my apt and tried to get down on my girl, I started to slip into a minor episode and realized it was happening, acknowledged it was the paralysis, and still was extremely full of fear, for no apparent reason.

Its crazy shit.




I've herad it can lead to OBE and things of that nature, if "controlled"  -- i'm skeptical, but its worth a shot.


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    #14562160 - 06/04/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Wiccan, you seem to talk about the "creatures" that come during sleep paralysis as if they're real. Eh? I've had one climb on top of my back before, even hearing the rustling of my sheets and the weight pressing me down. Powerful.


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    #14562186 - 06/04/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

When I get sleep paralysis I dream of realllyyy improbable but probable scenarios going on around me. I am in my room and I see everything (or everyone if I'm hanging out with people), but I can't move at all. I'll struggle to scream but can't. I haven't had too many negative experiences with sleep paralysis dealing with a dark energy pressing against me or a creature on me. I mostly am either eager to alert someone to whats going on, tell them about what I am seeing, or don't like being conscious but paralyzed which makes me struggle to find my limbs.

An example of something I'd dream about is someone knocking on my window before trying to break in. I may be in a bad area which would summon such a threat in my dreams, but knocking on the window doesn't make any sense, only if it is to evoke fear. Perhaps my "darkness" takes on more elaborate routes.

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    #14562287 - 06/04/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I get sleep paralysis a lot.

The first few times were mystical and scary with hallucinations.

Now a days, since it's regular and assume from my xanax use, it's not mystical or hallucinatory if I stop it- it's just hell.

You can turn sleep paralysis into astral projection if you try.

But you more of just want to wake up quick- cause sleep paralysis is HELL!

Then you wake up and you can barely move.

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    #14562557 - 06/04/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ive been trying to induce this for astral projection WTF ive heard of this but i thought it was a certain kind of sleep paralysis. is this what sleep paralysis IS? i thought you were just supposed to feel heavy and tingly viberations and shit i dont want some bald douche in a shiny shirt braking in to my room :aweman:


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    #14562593 - 06/04/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

nah dude.  you dont just get teh fun tingly vibrations.  most of the time sleep paralysis is accompanied by dark forces being present.  they can (as we've said in here) take many forms. 

my aunt gets 'em all the time. she just has an old hag stand at the foot of her bed and screech at her nonstop until she gets nudged/wakesup/etc.


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    #14562598 - 06/04/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

As far as mine are concerned:

-They always come as i'm drifting off to sleep
-I feel like if i'm trying to avoid them, they're more prone to come
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    #14562632 - 06/04/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

what if they sit on my face?  Are they still evil?  If they are female?


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    #14562649 - 06/04/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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    #14563172 - 06/05/11 03:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Wiccan, you seem to talk about the "creatures" that come during sleep paralysis as if they're real. Eh?





Can you define "real"?

If you look at the premise of this thread, how off the wall and exotic it is (or should be) you think: NO WAY WICCAN! This thread is gonna die an early death with everybody going "what cha talking about, Wiccan?"

But no. Credible established members are coming out of the woodwork with exactly the same story. And notice the worldwide quote in the OP?

Somehow, either this is hardwired biologically in your brain, or you are actually under some sort of attack.

For some reason theres this force described as an evil being that enters your room as you are halfway asleep. It climbs on your chest if you sleep on your bacxk or side and on your back if you sleep on your belly (ruling out a cardiac effect). It presses you down with what feels like actual weight. Sleep paralysis seems to be distorting soimething that may be actually happening in a dreamlike way, but it always shines through that its perceived as a living creature that is malevolent.

People are having profoundly unhealthy responses to it, physically and mentally, some die in their sleep, scared to death. Does that sound like a normal thing the brain would do?

Sleep labs should be looking into this with frequent sufferers and, silly as it sounds, just to rule it out weight of the bed should be measured too.

I talk about it as if it is real cause it makes a more interesting post, but remember, science does not explain the striking similarity of accounts, across cultures, of all times.

Just saying "sleep paralysis" explains nothing. Thats like someone making an accurate prediction of future events and saying "hallucination" expecting it to be explained. One of the IRA bombing plots (and there were only a couple dozen, was foiled because a random guy knew exactly what was going on, street name, location and all, because he dreamt it and went to the police with the information. "dreaming" explains whast he did. It does nothing to explain what happened next.

Same thing with "sleep paralysis" and this. It is too damn specific to be explained by such a blanket term. For all we know, theres a real spirit world out there and between sleeping and waking they contact (or attack) us?

Meams, do you completely, 100% rule out that the man with the silver shirt wasnt actually there in some form or other?  Your whole brain at the time screamed he was. It profoundly and unhealthily affected you. Do you 100% rule out the possibility that you were visited by a spirit, lets say of a deceased party thug? Or that there was something actually there and you projected the thug over it to assign some image to it? Hard to do isnt it, when your senses screamed bloody murder.

People with hysteria (Histrionic personality disorder) have the most extreme physical symptoms, like going blind or losing control of their limbs but - they arent scared to death by it. They dont get 180 bpm heartrates like, you know, an external event forced on you would. And whats the deal with dreaming anyway? "you have to go to this place but we'll make sure you forget almost all of it right after waking up".  Why? Why the need for a psychological experience we at the same time should be protected from?

Just cause it goes away when we go to sleep or wake up, doesnt mean it isn't there when you're in the inbetween state.

"You dream something while your brains reality system is still awake".. OK fine, nice going. But why do millions all over the world dream this exact same, way farfetched scenario?


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    #14563185 - 06/05/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting post Wiccan, but I don't know if I agree. Hypnagogia in general is full of bizarre, seemingly impossible scenarios. Astral projection is just one example, but less exotic ones include the feeling of "falling" when you are falling asleep; involuntarily kicking your legs; night terrors; "exploding head syndrome"; et cetera. I've had the falling thing in particular that it has caused me to shout out, and I have a tendency to kick my wall while I'm falling asleep. And my brother had bad night terrors when we were kids. The idea that so many people would merely hallucinate threatening imagery during an unexpected and half-conscious episode of paralysis doesn't seem so far-fetched to me.


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    #14563199 - 06/05/11 03:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The idea that so many people would merely hallucinate threatening imagery during an episode of hypnagogic paralysis doesn't seem so far-fetched.




It is very far fetched it should be such a specific logic defying scenario, all over the world. Folklore adjusted to it happening, it didnt instill it in us.

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the feeling of "falling" when you are falling asleep; involuntarily kicking your legs; "exploding head syndrome"




All those could be simple neurologicasl firings, like in the locomotion system or the sence of balance - but the asphyxiating creature uses so many different brain centers... Why? And why on earth is it almost always a hag, a kind of gnome or creature, anywhere in the world?  Why so damn specific? Why should a 19th century Chinese lady in Beijing, a black boy in Louisiana and a white offce clerk in Madrid on his siesta all see a hag/witch doing the exact same thing to them?

Why on earth does it climb on your back when you sleep on your belly? And brush up to your foot when it climbs on the bed? It makes no sense, unless in some way, it does. One of those ways of course would be, that which everyone who experiences it is convinced of, that masked by the dreamstate an actual interaction is taking place.

That doesnt mean that seperate being doesnt share your brain with you, of course.

It should be studied scientifically, and that includes keeping an open mind that somethig may be going on that as of yet defies explanation. Its so damn specific for something that is pure delusion. And why does the dreamlike sdtate seem to distort it, like it would a noise from the real world?

What I find VERY promising is that with me at least, MDMA-type binges reliably encourage it if enough milligrammage is consumed in the right timeframe. That would mean we could design a rather unwholesome research chemical, that, if taken before bedtime, dramatically increases the likeliness of it occurring, making it easier to experimentally approach. Still doesnt negate a supernatural explanation. Maybe extremely low serotonin with some tweaks leaves you vulnerable to a form of actual attack from beyond.


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    #14563204 - 06/05/11 03:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I suppose the first steps of that type of research would be extensive and detailed surveys.

I'm actually interested in this kind of stuff, I want to be a research neuroscientist someday :rocket:


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    #14563217 - 06/05/11 04:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil




Look at that thread title! Its so specific!  Downright loony bin talk! You dont expect people like Meams, scientific minded with an anti superstition agenda, to come in and affirm experiencing the same phenomenon in different guises.

He describes anxiety responses so severe it would do an elderly heart patient in. Doesnt sound like the brains usual way to make a psychological point.

Is he missing some sort of guardian force of his brain which bounces such creatures at the exit, a guardian that goes AWOL in me when I take too much E, and occasionally something takes advantage of us in that vulnerable state?

What kind of wholesome psychological message is Meams supposed to be getting from being almost scared to death every now and again? One worth the physiological emergencies he wakes up with? If anything, its an attack on his sanity and health.


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    #14563220 - 06/05/11 04:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well, sure, in the same way that a heart attack is an attack on the heart by demons.

I'm not arguing against that idea, either, but the idea you're proposing would appear to involve a pretty dramatic reappraisal of traditional definitions. I like that kind of thing and I'm not closed to the idea of disembodied will.


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    #14563228 - 06/05/11 04:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, just making the discussion more interesting by voicing the supernatural angle.

I believe "all is one and thou art that" remember, to me theres no such thing as an external influence.


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    #14563238 - 06/05/11 04:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yo Wiccan, wheres the poll at?

I have never experienced this phenomena that I know of. I have drowned before in my sleep thinking and woke up short of breathe in a gasp. :shrug:


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    #14563251 - 06/05/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Familiar?

Congratulations, it's not just you, it's called Night Terrors and they happen to many people all over the world.

Are they real? Toughie. Theres something thats going to sit on your chest at night, suffocating you, thats presumably amorphous. You give it shape. It can be a dusty coal black creature, or an evil leathery leprechaun like witch, or a black cat. Or undifferentiated as an amorphous mass.  But it does hop on your chest, often throws you around like a ragdoll if you struggle, is quite evil and constricts your breath.

Heres a sighting dating several centuries back:



They come to you when you fall asleep or wake up in a state known as Sleep paralysis.

But this type of creature is described the world over:

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    In Chinese culture, sleep paralysis is widely known as "鬼壓身/鬼压身" (pinyin: guǐ yā shēn) or "鬼壓床/鬼压床" (pinyin: guǐ yā chu�ng), which literally translate into "ghost pressing on body" or "ghost pressing on bed." A more modern term is "夢魘/梦魇" (pinyin: m�ng yǎn).
    In Japanese culture, sleep paralysis is referred to as kanashibari (金縛り, literally "bound or fastened in metal," from "kane" (metal) and "shibaru" (to bind, to tie, to fasten). This term is occasionally used by English speaking authors to refer to the phenomenon both in academic papers and in pop psych literature.[28]
    In Korean culture, sleep paralysis is called gawee nulim (Hangul: 가위눌림), literally meaning "being pressed down by a scissor". It is often associated with a superstitious belief that a ghost or spirit is lying on top of or pressing down on the sufferer.
    In Mongolian culture, nightmares in general as well as sleep paralysis is referred to by the verb-phrase khar darakh (written kara darahu), meaning "to be pressed by the Black" or "when the Dark presses". "Kara" means black and may refer to the dark side personified. "Kharin buu" means shaman of the Black (shamans of the dark side only survive in far-northern Mongolia), while "tsaghaan zugiin buu" means shaman of the white direction (referring to shamans who only invoke the benevolent spirits). Compare 'karabasan' (the dark presser) in Turkish, which may date from pre-Islamic times when the Turks had the same religion and mythology as the Mongols. See Mythology of the Turkic and Mongolian peoples and Tengriism.

[edit] South-East Asia

    In Cambodian, Laotian, and Thai culture, sleep paralysis is called phǐǐ am and khmout sukkhot. It is described as an event in which the person is sleeping and dreams that one or more ghostly figures are nearby or even holding him or her down. The sufferer usually thinks that he or she is awake but unable to move or make any noises. This is not to be confused with pee khao and khmout jool, ghost possession.
    In Hmong culture, sleep paralysis is understood to be caused by a nocturnal pressing spirit, "dab tsog." Dab tsog attacks "sleepers" by sitting on their chests, sometimes attempting to strangle them. Some believe that dab tsog is responsible for Sudden Unexpected Nocturnal Death Syndrome (SUNDS), which claimed the lives of over 100 Southeast Asian immigrants in the late 1970s and early 1980s. In Sleep Paralysis: Night-mares, Nocebos, and the Mind-Body Connection (Rutgers University Press, 2011), Shelley Adler, PhD, offers a biocultural perspective on sleep paralysis and the sudden deaths. She suggests that an interplay between the Brugada syndrome (a genetic cardiac disorder) and the traditional meaning of a dab tsog attack are at the heart of the sudden deaths.[29]
    In Vietnamese culture, sleep paralysis is referred to as "ma đ�", meaning "held down by a ghost" or "b�ng đ�", meaning "held down by a shadow".
    In Philippine culture, "bangungut", or sudden unexplained death syndrome, has traditionally been attributed to nightmares.[30] People who have claimed to survive such nightmares have reported experiencing the symptoms of sleep paralysis.[citation needed]
    In New Guinea, people refer to this phenomenon as "Suk Ninmyo", believed to originate from sacred trees that use human essence to sustain its life. The trees are said to feed on human essence during night as to not disturb the human's daily life, but sometimes people wake unnaturally during the feeding, resulting in the paralysis.
    In Malay of Malay Peninsula, sleep paralysis is known as 'kena tindih' (or 'ketindihan' in Indonesia), which means "being pressed".[31] Incidents are commonly considered to be the work of a malign agency; occurring in what are explained as blind spots in the field of vision, they are reported as demonic figures.

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    In Pakistan, sleep paralysis is considered to be an encounter with Shaitan (Urdu: شيطان ) (Satan), evil jinns or demons who have taken over one's body. Like Iran, this ghoul is known as 'bakhtak' (Urdu: بختک). It is also assumed that it is caused by the black magic performed by enemies and jealous persons. People, especially children and young girls, wear Ta'wiz (Urdu: تعویز) (Amulet) to ward of evil eye. Spells, incantations and curses could also result in ghouls haunting a person. Some homes and places are also haunted by evil ghosts, satanic or other supernatural beings and they could haunt people living there especially during the night. Muslim holy persons (Imams, Maulvis, Sufis, Mullahs, Faqirs) perform exorcism on individuals who are possessed. The homes, houses, buildings and grounds are blessed and consecrated by Mullahs or Imams by reciting Qur'an and Adhan (Urdu: أَذَان), the Islamic call to prayer, recited by the muezzin.
    In Tamil Nadu and Sri Lankan Tamil culture, this particular phenomenon is referred to as 'Amuku Be' or 'Amuku Pei' meaning "the ghost that forces one down".
    In Nepal, especially Newari culture it is also known as 'Khyaak' a ghost-like figure believed to reside in the darkness under the staircases of a house.

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    In Arabic Culture, sleep paralysis is often referred to as 'Kaboos' (Arabic: كابوس‎), literally "presser" or 'Ja-thoom' (Arabic: جاثوم‎) literally "What sits heavily on something", though the term 'Kaboos' is also used to refer to any form of bad dreams. In folklore across Arab countries, the 'Kaboos' is believed to be a shayṭān or a ‘ifrīt which sits, heavily, on people's chests.
    In Turkish culture, sleep paralysis is often referred to as "karabasan" ("The dark presser/assailer"). It is believed to be a creature that attacks people in their sleep, pressing on their chest and stealing their breath. However, folk legends do not provide a reason why the devil or ifrit does that.
    In Persian culture it is known as 'bakhtak' (Persian: بختک), which is a ghost-like black creature that sits on the dreamer's chest, making breathing hard for him/her.

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    In African culture, isolated sleep paralysis is commonly referred to as "the witch riding your back".[24][25]
    Several studies have shown that African-Americans may be predisposed to isolated sleep paralysis also known as "the witch is riding you" or "the haint is riding you".[26] In addition, other studies have shown that African-Americans who have frequent episodes of isolated sleep paralysis, i.e., reporting having one or more sleep paralysis episodes per month coined as "sleep paralysis disorder," were predisposed to having panic attacks.[32] This finding has been replicated by other independent researchers.[33][34]
    Ogun Oru is a traditional explanation for nocturnal disturbances among the Yoruba of Southwest Nigeria; ogun oru (nocturnal warfare) involves an acute night-time disturbance that is culturally attributed to demonic infiltration of the body and psyche during dreaming. Ogun oru is characterized by its occurrence, a female preponderance, the perception of an underlying feud between the sufferer's earthly spouse and a 'spiritual' spouse, and the event of bewitchment through eating while dreaming. The condition is believed to be treatable through Christian prayers or elaborate traditional rituals designed to exorcise the imbibed demonic elements.[35]
    In Zimbabwean Shona culture the word Madzikirira is used to refer something really pressing one down. This mostly refers to the spiritual world in which some spirit—especially an evil one—tries to use its victim for some evil purpose. The people believe that witches can only be people of close relations to be effective, and hence a witches often try to use one's spirit to bewitch one's relatives.
    In Ethiopian culture the word 'dukak' is used, which is believed to be an evil spirit that possesses people during their sleep. Some people believe this experience is linked to use of Khat ('Chat'). Khat users experience sleep paralysis when suddenly quitting chewing Khat after use for a long time.
    In Swahili speaking East Africa, it is known as 'jinamizi', which refers to a creature sitting on one's chest making it difficult for him/her to breathe. It is attributed to result from a person sleeping on his back. Most people also recall being strangled by this 'creature'. People generally survive these 'attacks'

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    In Hungarian folk culture sleep paralysis is called "lid�rcnyom�s" ("lid�rc pressing") and can be attributed to a number of supernatural entities like "lid�rc" (wraith), "boszork�ny" (witch), "t�nd�r" (fairy) or "�rd�gszerető" (demon lover).[36] The word "boszork�ny" itself stems from the Turkish root "bas-", meaning "to press".[37]
    In Iceland folk culture sleep paralysis is generally called having a "Mara". A goblin or a succubus (since it is generally female) believed to cause nightmares (the origin of the word 'Nightmare' itself is derived from her name). Other European cultures share variants of the same folklore, calling her under different names; Proto-Germanic: marōn; Old English: m�re; German: Mahr; Dutch: nachtmerrie; Icelandic, Old Norse, Faroese, and Swedish: mara; Danish: mare; Norwegian: mare; Old Irish: morrigain; Croatian, Serbian, Slovene: m�ra; Bulgarian, Polish: mara; French: cauchemar; Romanian: moroi; Czech: můra. The origin of the belief itself is much older and goes back to the reconstructed Proto Indo-European root mora-, an incubus, from the root mer- "to rub away" or "to harm".
    In Malta, folk culture attributes a sleep paralysis incident to an attack by the "Haddiela" who is the wife of the "Hares", an entity in Maltese folk culture that haunts the individual in ways similar to a poltergeist. As believed in folk culture, to rid oneself of the Haddiela, one must place a piece of silverware or a knife under the pillow prior to sleep.
    In Greece and Cyprus, it is believed that sleep paralysis occurs when a ghost-like creature or Demon named Mora, Vrachnas or Varypnas (Greek: Μόρα, Βραχνάς, Βαρυπνάς) tries to steal the victim's speech or sits on the victim's chest causing asphyxiation.

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    During the Salem witch trials several people reported nighttime attacks by various alleged witches including Bridget Bishop that may have been the result of sleep paralysis.[38]
    In Mexico, it is believed that this is caused by the spirit of a dead person. This ghost lies down upon the body of the sleeper, rendering him unable to move. People refer to this as "Subirse el Muerto" (Dead Person on you).[citation needed]
    In many parts of the Southern United States, the phenomenon is known as a "hag", and the event is said to often be a sign of an approaching tragedy or accident.
    In Newfoundland and Labrador, it is known as the 'Old Hag'.[39] In island folklore, the Hag can be summoned to attack a third party, like a curse. In his 1982 book, The Terror that Comes in the Night, David J. Hufford writes that in local culture the way to call the Hag is to recite the Lord's Prayer backwards. It is also common for believers to claim that those who are not wakened from this paralysis will die.
    In contemporary western culture it is believed that the phenomenon of reported Alien abduction is caused by sleep paralysis where the hallucination of aliens has been generated by 20th and 21st century science fiction.[40]






A hot night, a heavy meal, stimulant and MDMA analog abuse all are conductive to ending up in the realm of sleep paralysis and possibly meeting this "entity".

What I generally do is when I notice i'm in that state I try as hard as I can to violently shake my limbs. That wakes you up. As episodes often recur the moment you fall back to sleep at this point I tend to reach for the equivalent of 20mg valium, sit behind the computer till it kicks in, then lay down again, which usually bypasses the Sleep Paralysis stage by rapidly falling asleep.

I only had it in my adult life because of abuse of MDMA or close analogs like 6-ABP and Methylone, and this a few nights after the abuse took place.

It can be so unbelievably upsetting that if I abuse an MDMA analog I will take the equivalent of 20mg Valium each night for a week to beat it, and taper to zero in the week thereafter, just to avoid the experience.

Bad trips asre nothing in comparison to the level of terror such an encounter can produce. I generally need nitro immediately after the occurrence vs chest pain, its that bad. As you saw in the quote, it can be an actual attack on your health.

Another creature you can encounter, depending on your sexual affiliation is the Incubus, the Succubus (yes they make same sex house calls if you're gay, I find them very pleasurable) and more forcefully so, the Popobawa.

Key features as opposed to lets say Alien Abduction is that it comes to you in your bedroom, it lies on top of you and does something, be it take your breath, rides you like a horse or sex you up with or without your consent.

Does anyone else have experiences with this phenomenon?




interesting. i heard about this before but never experienced it
i rarely wake up without being awake.

but i dont feel paralysed at this point.. i just feel like im awake but want to be asleep/unmoving. i dont think i've EVER tried to wake up from sleep paralysis. i just try to fall back asleep... or listen to whats going on around me (which usually makes me dream soemthing similar to what i hear).

interesting that some people become afraid.


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    #14563327 - 06/05/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

haha this thread is gonna give me nightmares.

never had this but I remember when I was a kid I had some bad auditory hallucinations that really scared me


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Meams, do you completely, 100% rule out that the man with the silver shirt wasnt actually there in some form or other?  Your whole brain at the time screamed he was. It profoundly and unhealthily affected you. Do you 100% rule out the possibility that you were visited by a spirit, lets say of a deceased party thug? Or that there was something actually there and you projected the thug over it to assign some image to it? Hard to do isnt it, when your senses screamed bloody murder.




There was no distinct moment where i went from "in paralysis" to being "awake".  My consciousness and perception did not flicker inbetween.  It was a STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS.  I was awake.  I was perceptive.  THere is a man in my room trying to rape the love of my life.  THe second she nudges me awake (becuase my breathign is so erratic and loud that it wakes her) i jolt up, ready to grab my gun and kill him.

The second she touches me, i JOLT upright (fastest ever, i swear) and he's already gone.

Gone.

not like "she nudged me, i rolled over, slowly sat up, looked, and he was gone".  more like "was layign there on my back, watching him lower hisself down, and then she moved, i sat up immediately, and he was gone."  literally took place in .05 seconds





so:  was he there?  maybe, but not in a form that would be perceivable to a fully alert & awake human being.




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You dont expect people like Meams, scientific minded with an anti superstition agenda, to come in and affirm experiencing the same phenomenon in different guises.

He describes anxiety responses so severe it would do an elderly heart patient in. Doesnt sound like the brains usual way to make a psychological point.




Yes, I am completely convinced that an elderly person in poor heart health would have EASILY died during my experience.  My heartrate was so elevated (obviously i dont know its exact number) that I was scared for my health.  Literally worried.  Distinguishing individual beats was difficult - it just seemed like a drumroll.  And I'm used to extremely elevated haertrates - i work out with KBs and they are known to give you a workout equivalent to cross-country skiing uphill.


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    #14563483 - 06/05/11 07:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Does anybody sometimes feel like they are dying or that they can't breathe when in sleep paralysis?

I only experienced it once and it amused me and astonished me on all sorts of levels :eek:


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    #14563511 - 06/05/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i have experienced sleep paralysis several times but i have never felt a presence sitting on my chest or even particularly scared i think. sometimes it looks as if i'm moving through my room but it does not feel like i'm moving and i'm pretty sure i'm not.


other thing i experience as i fall asleep are feelings of my bodysize changing in comparison to the room or my bed or something. like feeling extremely small or the room being ridiculously large and things like that. also a stream of words or letters (i think there are flashing images sometimes) in a seemingly random sequence forming in my head and i think i may have even said part of it aloud once or twice haha.
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    #14563513 - 06/05/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I know what they're not:  sleep paralysis :wink:


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oh yeah, i don't think they are part of sleep paralysis either.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: Asante]
    #14563518 - 06/05/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It used to happen to me allot when I was a child. I had an old round faulty chipped up electrical plug in the floor of my childhood room that I used to stick my finger in to wake myself up,it used to spark and shock you when you touched it. My room was also on the second floor on top of about 16 large stairs, and I used to throw myself down them to wake up out of my sleep paralysis. I used to do these things to wake up after I would be able to slightly move around but not entirely walk, kind of like sleep crawling and being somewhat conscious. It was very terrifying!! I always thought they where aliens on top of me, even when I was a child. Weird stuff!!


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    #14563523 - 06/05/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i'm surprised you were able to move at all.  i have been literally 100% paralysed every time its happened to me.


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    #14563558 - 06/05/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've only experienced night terrors a few times, but each time was fucking terrifying.

Each time, I awoke totally paralyzed--save for the ability to move and blink my eyes--and felt a sharp sense of fear. One time when I awoke in a sleep paralysis state I saw what looked like a man standing over me, staring down at me. Scared the living shit out of me. All I could do was look away and hope the image would fade soon.

Interestingly, I've only ever experienced sleep paralysis or night terrors when I fall asleep in the supine position.


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    #14563589 - 06/05/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The man in black.

I use to have these dreams ever single night. I would wake up and couldn't move at all. I would feel like something was there and I would be terrified beyond belief. I would go in and out of sleep just scared to death. When I would come out of it I would wake up screaming and terrified.

One night I was having these night terrors and I wasn't scared at all, I was just pissed off. When I slipped back to sleep to have whatever nightmare that brought these on I was restrained by a man in all black. He started taunting me and telling me that he was going to kill my family after he killed me. I didn't get scared, I got pissed. I couldn't move because he was using some force to hold me down like usual, so I let my rage build and I used it to turn into some sort of dragon made from light. I roared and broke free of his hold and he ran like a mother fucker. When I caught him he shot some sort of fire at me but I laughed because fire didn't hurt a dragon. I bit that son of a bitch in half and spit him back out and roasted him to charred bones.

I woke up as my dragon roared. I still remember what it felt like to be a dragon. I never had night terrors again. I didn't get scared, I got pissed and fought it in my dream.

I know crazy story but it really happened. Now If I start feeling this feeling of being held down in my sleep I wake up pissed and I jump out of bed ready to fight. It's annoying and strange, but it goes away because I feel like I refuse to give in to the fear.

Sounds far out and weird? I have dreams every night that are fucked up and I remember them very very well. I am usually in some sort of control of myself in dreams and are aware that I'm dreaming. I couldn't imagine being like my wife and remembering nothing at all about dreams.

I still dream about this man in all black, but usually I'm fighting him and I don't freak out about it in my sleep anymore. I still remember the power of the dragon and it makes me feel safe in my dreams.

Super weird I know. I have weird dreams every night that would make anyone think I was out of my mind.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: mescalinician]
    #14563603 - 06/05/11 08:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Another time I've gotten sleep paralysis was while I was in Nicaragua. It sounds silly and superstitious, especially to myself, but there was something about these two rooms that lined up that made me feel VERY uncomfortable. Like I was in the presence of forces I couldn't begin to fathom and they were not necessarily good vibes.

I woke up once, it was extremely hot and humid. I could not move at all, but I really wanted to because I was so warm. I tried with all my might to move and I successfully sat up in bed but couldn't move out of that position. I looked at this painting of a woman and her eyes watch me. This scares me. I frogot to mention that EVERYTHING is immersed in very psychedelic rippling visuals. The current and forever changing patterns all over the walls, the bed, etc. In the center of the wall is a mushroom in the same patterns, but a circle around it is plain white wall. I had not done psychedelics yet at this point. I struggle to move again because I feel unsafe and I feel like something will know that I am in a vunerable sleep state. I look over and see an a/c and try as hard as I can to move so I can turn the air on. I do. I wake up the next morning and the area around my bed is much cooler than the rest of the room....but there are no a/cs in the house I was staying in.

Those are how my sleep paralysis dreams go. They aren't always super terrifying though I've had some that terrified me. The scary ones generally happen after I have consumed opiates, benzos or alcohol.

Sometimes I'll wake up paralyzed but try to wake up my self, not my body, so I can OBE. I have encountered "beings" that have tried to help me master my focus in the dream realm. These creatures were scary as fuck. They had no bodies, it was just a very very staticy and deep voice.


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    #14563673 - 06/05/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

yep - always on  my back.


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    #14563694 - 06/05/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I can't sleep if I'm not on my back.


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    #14563720 - 06/05/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I did for a while after mine too.  Ever since I read a lot aobut OBE here on the shroomery (after experiencing the events) I have not so much been trying to avoid them.  I feel like if they come on now, I'm a little more aware of what they are, their potential, and how to deal with them.

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    #14563726 - 06/05/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I love sleeping on my back but both times I have experienced this type of
thing I was sleeping on my back :uhoh:


Definitely scary. I thought I was possessed because I was staying at my ex's
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    #14563760 - 06/05/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

tell me about how her house was haunted as shit.  must've been scary in conjunction w/ this paralysis.


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    #14563853 - 06/05/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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yep - always on  my back.


Indeed.  This is interesting.

I have had maybe 7-8 experiences with this kind of thing over the years, I can't remember exactly how many now.  The first was when I was 18, on vacation with friends, after a night (a few days and nights, actually) of heavy drinking.  All I remember is it was a coiled ball of energy with an extremely malicious presence.  I was terrified!

The next time was the worst of all of them.  It came a few months later when I had moved to college.  I don't remember the circumstances, I had been smoking a lot of weed every night; but this time it involved the blood-soaked body of a dead girl, thrown over my chest, that I couldn't remove no matter how hard I writherd.  It was so utterly realistic, nauseating and terrifying, words couldn't do it justice.

Another one that stands out in my mind happened maybe two years ago.  This time it was a big, demonic looking bulldog pinning me down, drooling over me.  This one probably lasted longer than any that preceded it, and was about as scary as any of them.

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    #14563884 - 06/05/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Know what it's called when you're sleeping, and then you half wake up and see your bedroom, but hallucinate things in it?

I've seen my dog hanging by its neck on my ceiling, and spiders, people standing next to my bed and staring at me, and all sorts of weird shit.  Extremely vivid, and not just shadows.

It goes away when it finally registers in my brain and I start screaming.  I guess the adrenaline wakes me up from the half-sleep state.

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    #14563887 - 06/05/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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    #14563898 - 06/05/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I've actually propped myself up on my elbow before to get a better view of what it was.  And my eyes were wide open.  And then when I saw what it was I jumped like 10 feet in the air and started screaming and it went away.

But I never sleep on my back.  I wonder if it's related.  Maybe if I slept on my back I'd get paralyzed?

It's like continuing to dream even though your eyes are open.


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    #14563912 - 06/05/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There wasn't much "dreaming" about my episodes :frown:


not at all a dream.  entirely real.  horrible.


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    #14563922 - 06/05/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No, I mean it was entirely real until it disappeared.  Most times I don't go back to sleep.

Doesn't mean it's not a dream or caused by a similar mechanism in the brain.  I'm sure you don't believe an actual person was trying to rape your wife.

But yes, in the moment it is just as real as anything else.


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    #14563941 - 06/05/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've heard demonic voices (it kind of sounded like an evil "grumbling") during the hypnagogic stage of consciousness...
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    #14563950 - 06/05/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Those are called False Awakenings I get them a lot.


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    #14563980 - 06/05/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've never had sleep paralysis but yesterday it felt like some sort of entity poked my foot and I woke up. It was strange, surely it was just part of the last seconds of my dream though.


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    #14564008 - 06/05/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Just looked it up, and I think it might be related to that too.  And it says subjects who get false awakenings also often get sleep paralysis.  So I'm sure they're all related.

But it's hard to explain.  I mean when I propped myself up, I actually propped myself up in the physical universe.  So I guess I was sleepwalking.  Or sleep-sorta-getting-up.  Which apparently is called a continuum.  And also related.  But just like a sleepwalker, my eyes were open even though I was asleep, and my brain was processing what's actually physically in front of me, but adding it's own things to it.

My mom gets sleep paralysis often.  Are these kinds of things hereditary?

It's also strange, because I see the exact same person she sees, in the exact way she describes him.  A man standing next to the bed, legs straight but bent over at the hip in a bowing position with his face 2 or 3 feet away from mine just staring at me.  But she can't move, and I can, and immediately do.  But he still stays there for a few seconds after I'm definitely completely 100% awake and already sitting upright.  Only about 3 seconds or so, but that's a long fucking time in the moment.


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    #14564026 - 06/05/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So I am not alone.  I have thees things attack me from time to time when I pass out on my back...

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    #14564031 - 06/05/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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tell me about how her house was haunted as shit.  must've been scary in conjunction w/ this paralysis.





Yeah it was scary because at the time I did not know anything about sleep
paralysis and it was completely different from having a nightmare so I attributed
what happened to me as something ghostly related.


Her house was freaky. All the normal happenings you hear about. People walking around
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    #14564126 - 06/05/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There wasn't much "dreaming" about my episodes :frown:


not at all a dream.  entirely real.  horrible.





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    #14564139 - 06/05/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm sure you got a healthy respect for what schizophrenics go through. Once its "real" to you, its a whole different ballpark altogether.



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    #14564198 - 06/05/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Does anybody sometimes feel like they are dying or that they can't breathe when in sleep paralysis?

I only experienced it once and it amused me and astonished me on all sorts of levels :eek:




I hate posting from a smartphone:(

But as I tried to say, I always feel like I can't breathe. One time I hallucinated I called out to my mom for help but she wouldn't. That was scary


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    #14564238 - 06/05/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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My daughter had bad constant reoccuring night terrors between the ages of 2 and 4.  She has not had them for the last couple years.

She would start screaming, and either violently trash around, or start sleep walking in a weird mental state.

We googled it, asked a few of our psychiatrist friends for recommendations, but never have we heard of those mythical creatures that sit on your chest or ghosts' that take your breath away.  Personally I feel there is a logical reason for sleep paralysis, more so than ghosts and whatnot. 

With our daughter, we found that what she eat's a couple hours before bed is what determined if she would have a night terror or not.  So heavy meats ( red meat like cow, deer, moose ) we stopped feeding her in the evenings, stuck to fish, soy, beans and that kinda stuff for protein and that made the difference.

I have no medical training, or any logical explanation other than a hunch, but I feel a strong imagination combined with your body working either on digesting, or some other energy consuming process is what will cause a night terror. 

I have had them too, I understand what the terror is all about, but its something that happens:shrug:  nothing to really worry about imo




Agreed.

It took my father many years to figure out that if he eats ice cream or similiar sweets in the evenings, horrible nightmares usually manifest.

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    #14564476 - 06/05/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Interesting.  I guess I always sort of assumed night terrors were just a sever nightmare.

Its also curious that the DSM-IV clinical criteria usually describe amnesia.  It seems though that you guys clearly remember yours...




yeah, and night terrors usually involve you thrashing about and screaming.

sounds more like he is talking about sleep paralysis (parasomnia NOS) with hypnagogic hallucinations.

i had some sleep paralysis like that a few days ago actually. i was dreaming but completely aware of my room around me and then started to have this feeling like something really bad was going to happen. all of a sudden, i felt this thing reach over me and pin me down. i repeatedly looked up and saw its outline but i couldn't move. after a minute or so i "woke up," but not like normal waking up. i just kinda realized that i had my eyes open and i could suddenly move again.


***re-read the other posts. wiccan did mention sleep paralysis. what i was trying to say is that in psych, sleep paralysis is different to night terrors. both are scary though



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    #14564748 - 06/05/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I can't sleep if I AM on my back :lol: It's as though my belly button has a sleep switch on it.


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I've had sleep paralysis with hallucinations of dark shady creatures. The last one was some kind of Yoda looking motherfucker that sat next to the head of my bed a couple feet away from my face. I've never had one get on me, though. The most they usually do is pull on my covers.


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    #14568012 - 06/06/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The man in black.

I use to have these dreams ever single night. I would wake up and couldn't move at all. I would feel like something was there and I would be terrified beyond belief. I would go in and out of sleep just scared to death. When I would come out of it I would wake up screaming and terrified.

One night I was having these night terrors and I wasn't scared at all, I was just pissed off. When I slipped back to sleep to have whatever nightmare that brought these on I was restrained by a man in all black. He started taunting me and telling me that he was going to kill my family after he killed me. I didn't get scared, I got pissed. I couldn't move because he was using some force to hold me down like usual, so I let my rage build and I used it to turn into some sort of dragon made from light. I roared and broke free of his hold and he ran like a mother fucker. When I caught him he shot some sort of fire at me but I laughed because fire didn't hurt a dragon. I bit that son of a bitch in half and spit him back out and roasted him to charred bones.

I woke up as my dragon roared. I still remember what it felt like to be a dragon. I never had night terrors again. I didn't get scared, I got pissed and fought it in my dream.

I know crazy story but it really happened. Now If I start feeling this feeling of being held down in my sleep I wake up pissed and I jump out of bed ready to fight. It's annoying and strange, but it goes away because I feel like I refuse to give in to the fear.

Sounds far out and weird? I have dreams every night that are fucked up and I remember them very very well. I am usually in some sort of control of myself in dreams and are aware that I'm dreaming. I couldn't imagine being like my wife and remembering nothing at all about dreams.

I still dream about this man in all black, but usually I'm fighting him and I don't freak out about it in my sleep anymore. I still remember the power of the dragon and it makes me feel safe in my dreams.

Super weird I know. I have weird dreams every night that would make anyone think I was out of my mind.




fucking awesome

an on-going battle with the agents of the dark. pretty cool dude.

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I get sleep paralysis alot, I used to get it more, I also used to be terrified but I kind of grew to enjoy it / tolerate it and am now working to move them into lucid dreams :smile:


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    #14568653 - 06/06/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I get sleep paralysis somewhat often. 

Its never bothered me.

Some of my dreams have the habit of evolving themes over time.  Now when i get sleep paralyzed and things choke me, they also cause me what feels like physical pain.  stabbing me in the ears/eyes, squishing my head or what have you.
The most recent time this happened i laughed at whatever it was i thought was causing me pain and said something along the lines of "this is the best you can do?  you'll never change me".

Back in the day i used to fight these things successfully. for some reason i just stopped fighting when that stuff happens.  Most times i can still "get up" in my dream body.

I don't know, i don't think there is any entity, sleep paralysis doesn't scare me, i find it enjoyable most of the time.

i didn't realize the idea of it being some sort of ghost thing was so culturally widespread.  I'm going to have to think about this for awhile. my assumption from pretty early on was that its feeling my real physical body, and also feeling the virtual body my mind makes in dreams at the same time.
When they're close to in sync, and both giving me sensory input, it creates confusion distortion.  If you have two bodies in the same space and one of them is staying still and the other is wiggling around and trying to move of course its going to feel weird. 

anyhow...

i decided most of the stuff like this is the brain's way of making sense of something that is doesn't fall under the normal waking spectrum.  I dunno, my dreams told me people take stuff that doesn't have 3d/physical analogs and translate it into something they can experience.  I would agree with that.  The translation just gets fucked up because monkey brains are made for the waking world, by and large.  also explains the similarities between people's descriptions, because monkey brains are relatively homogeneous.


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    #24711183 - 10/15/17 06:16 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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    #24711239 - 10/15/17 07:33 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Or that, but it doesn't seem a likely troll for him to feign an experience that may make him seem crazy to others.


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    #24711501 - 10/15/17 10:14 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I love sleep paralysis.  I wish it would happen more often.  It's been years since I've been able to enjoy it.


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    #24711645 - 10/15/17 11:03 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I deliberately shoot for sleep paralysis, either to practice astral projection (slipping into a dream consciously) and to meet with yet another creature.

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    #24711650 - 10/15/17 11:05 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I had an elf by the bed as a teenager.  It was cool shit.  Later in life, I used to play hitman before bed to get cool hitman dreams, but I haven't been able to induce sleep paralysis.


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    #24712050 - 10/15/17 02:39 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

What works best for me, to induce sleep paralysis is to wake early, spend an hour behind the PC and then go back to bed and try to doze in and out of sleep.


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    #24712217 - 10/15/17 03:52 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Is this considered sleep paralysis....?
I open my eyes while in bed...I cannot move but feel an evil presence. Now, I see the ceiling and things  around me. Later I wake up.... thinking it was a dream. Now, am I really waking up and opening my eyes?


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So you guys think these things are actual beings?

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    #24714111 - 10/16/17 12:43 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I had it happen to me once but without the being sitting on my chest. I just woke up from a dream and couldn't move which was really scary. I just kept trying to scream help but all I could get out was a kind of hhhh hhhh whisper. Like I could breathe and force my breath out like I was trying to talk but I couldn't move my lips.

Another time after mdma binges and lack of sleep I would have these crazy and realistic nightmares as I was falling asleep. It was like my mind tried to start dreaming before my body actually fell asleep. The one I really remember was the time I was laying down to sleep and I dreamt that a car crashed into my house and jolted me awake. I'm getting off topic now but I definitely know the kind of mindstate that leads to the sleep paralysis.


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Sadly, alps within the Witcher universe aren’t nearly as wonderful as their mythic counterparts. In The Witcher, they exist as little more than blade-fodder for Geralt. Seen as scaley, naked women, they tend to behave more like common vampires than the beasts from which they share their name. In German folklore, however, alps become infinitely more interesting. Though they are sometimes likened to vampires, they are infact more closely related to the traditional idea of elves (alp is even a variation of the word “elf”).

Contrary to the Witcher, alps are actually male, while “mare” or “mara” tend to be the female version of the same creature. (In German they can be known as “Nachtmahr”). Alps seek out female victims during the night, controlling their dreams and twisting them into horrific nightmares (in German, “Alptraum” or “elf dream” means nightmare).

When alps attack, they sit upon the chest of their sleeping victim, becoming heavier and heavier until the crushing weight forces the sleeper awake. Terrified and breathless, they are unable to move or scream and must wait for the attack to subside. Interestingly, these types of attacks from various creatures are so common across different cultures that the modern belief is that victims were actually suffering from sleep paralysis.

Aside from terrifying night attacks, alps also are known to be quite the mischief makers. They enjoy such perverse acts like putting babies back in soiled diapers, souring milk, and even crushing small farm animals. Oh yeah, remember when I said they’re often likened to vampires? That’s because they like drinking blood from the nipples of men and young children. They also enjoy breast milk too, if that helps at all. At this point, I’m starting to understand why alps weren’t adapted as faithfully into The Witcher universe. Could you imagine a quick-time event to prevent an alp from sucking Geralt’s nipples off?




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    #24715410 - 10/16/17 09:17 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, yeah I used to have sleep paralysis ALL the time when I was in my late teens, scared the living hell out of me when it first started happening over and over again, then I did a little research and felt more comfortable when in the paralyzed state, I was able to kind of sit there and not try to jerk awake and just kind of figure out what was going on.

80% of the time I can't hear anything except an extremely loud piercing sound, like a trillion glass marbles being drop on a glass table. There's also a very strong full body vibration that I would feel for the entire duration of the "dream" and yeah, I felt completely paralyzed BUT I could still begin to move, only imagine if your movements we're in extremely slow motion, to the point where you wouldn't even be able to notice the movement without a full day time lapse of the limb recorded.

Its been awhile since I had a full blown one I couldn't control, last dozen or so I've had have been more of a nuisance like if I'm trying to go to bed and get a good sleep for work the next day, I feel it set in and I instantly shake free of it no problem and carry on with my sleep.

Now the demons that people mention...

When I had my very first one I literally saw a tall very demonic or alien looking figure walking towards me, again it's even scarier when you can only move an inch an in hour. Anyway this fucking thing walked toward me and stood above me at the side of bed leaning over. Never saw that thing again, the next several 30-50 times or so that it happened I could FEEL a presence around me or in the room I was in, I've even tried communicating with it, I've even been so full of fear that I openly professed to this being that I will be it's evil body on the world. Basically like it bitched me out and I didn't want to die so I said I'd do whatever it wants kinda thing.

I can't say I have felt any presence in a long while but I still end up in the state often, the loud piercing ringing, the heavy vibrations all over, anyway I can't remember if I mentioned it but I don't mind having them anymore, I kind of prefer it sometimes because it makes me feel different the following day if I can bring myself to spend enough time in that state.

Fucking shit is nuts.


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    #24715422 - 10/16/17 09:24 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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I've had sleep paralysis with hallucinations of dark shady creatures. The last one was some kind of Yoda looking motherfucker that sat next to the head of my bed a couple feet away from my face. I've never had one get on me, though. The most they usually do is pull on my covers.




Yeah, that's another thing. The ones I had where it was just the presence in the room I would wake up instantly because I would actually feel like I'd just been sucked or yanked right off the bed.


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Re: They come at night and sit on your chest. You cannot move or breathe. Strange noises. They're Evil [Re: Asante]
    #24715426 - 10/16/17 09:25 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I was never sat on but I had a huge figure (tall enough he had to duck his head to fit in the room) stand over me while I was paralyzed, it was just pure darkness with no distinguishing figures except it height and overall thinness
was very creepy though, when you're in that state it feels realer than real I found


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    #24715435 - 10/16/17 09:29 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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I did for a while after mine too.  Ever since I read a lot aobut OBE here on the shroomery (after experiencing the events) I have not so much been trying to avoid them.  I feel like if they come on now, I'm a little more aware of what they are, their potential, and how to deal with them.

Now - does this mean i'll keep my cool next tiem it happens?  prob not -- i expect to freak out just like the last times.



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Does anybody sometimes feel like they are dying or that they can't breathe when in sleep paralysis?

I only experienced it once and it amused me and astonished me on all sorts of levels :eek:




I hate posting from a smartphone:(

But as I tried to say, I always feel like I can't breathe. One time I hallucinated I called out to my mom for help but she wouldn't. That was scary




Yeah this too, really convinced that I can't breathe either, like a sever anxiety attack but way worse.. I wonder if this kind of thing is more likely in people who have or have had full blown anxiety attacks?


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    #24715467 - 10/16/17 09:47 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

i scream and if i cant hear me i bite myself in the lip and thrash. any thing to get out of there..... definitly not the same as astral travel. i get this in the middle of the night... and its almost always proceeded by an increase in the symptoms in my Ppsd


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