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any one here enjoy benzos?
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I did some temazepam last night and today. I hate it.
Icouldent remember much at all Last night i did 20mg and then 20mg within 10mins apart, i must be sencitive because i was 'Out of it' sooooo bad. i was like sluging around like a zombie, and everything was blury and slow I hate it
Today i woke up, thinking wtf happend last night? and i was sooo confused.
so then i popped another 40mg but very timed out. With in hours between doses.
Im not going to take this shit anymore.
Is all benzos like this?
sorry if this post is a huge meess, im still confused so muuch
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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Hahaha. That's what benzos do to most people. I like em because they help me temporarily deal with social anxiety. I actually like temazepam, its good at calming down my nerves.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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Yes, all benzos are like that.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
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I don't really like any non-psychedelic drugs that are man made. Benzos are shitty.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Gibson33]
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Not sleeping is shittier.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
#14558605 - 06/04/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Personally I don't like the feeling, but they can be useful I suppose
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Gibson33]
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Gibson33 said: I don't really like any non-psychedelic drugs that are man made. Benzos are shitty.
So you'd take 2c-e from a random RC vendor you can't fully trust but you wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for intended purposes? I understand the sentiment echoed by many Shroomerites but the drug high horse is kind of silly. Most people in the world think we're the crazy ones for taking psychedelics.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
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Thanks for the responces 
How much would a pure 10mg temazepam tab go for on the streets around your area?
Im selling them and buying some weed
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half the pub are too benzo'd out to reply to this thread at current; but rest assured, many enjoy their benzos.
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I'm weaning off a couple different GABAs but I was bad today.. dosed a little phenazepam and drinking a couple beers. I was used to combining all sorts of GABAergic drugs though so I guess its part of the process. I've only been taking the phenazepam once a week though so thats not so bad, its the only thing I have available and it sorta sucks IMO. Smoking/vaping it is interesting but I can't imagine that's too good for you.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
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Gibson33 said: I don't really like any non-psychedelic drugs that are man made. Benzos are shitty.
So you'd take 2c-e from a random RC vendor you can't fully trust but you wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for intended purposes? I understand the sentiment echoed by many Shroomerites but the drug high horse is kind of silly. Most people in the world think we're the crazy ones for taking psychedelics.
benzos have their uses, but if you don't have anxiety there is no real need for them, they are really weak, and highly addictive
the good herb imo is much less refined, much more powerful and revelatory and can kill pain/anxiety just as good as any benzo
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No way can herb kill anxiety like a benzo man. I do unfortunately suffer from sometimes crippling anxiety. I'd like to only smoke weed but I live in Indiana and I can't afford to smoke all the dank indica I'd need to help me sleep at night like I'd prefer. Benzos are well and good but nothing you can take every night.. or even every week and get away with it. Talk about an insidious addiction, especially when you also enjoy a few brews of the legal GABAergic... alcohol.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
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maestroelite said: No way can herb kill anxiety like a benzo man. I do unfortunately suffer from sometimes crippling anxiety. I'd like to only smoke weed but I live in Indiana and I can't afford to smoke all the dank indica I'd need to help me sleep at night like I'd prefer. Benzos are well and good but nothing you can take every night.. or even every week and get away with it. Talk about an insidious addiction, especially when you also enjoy a few brews of the legal GABAergic... alcohol.
naw i would say free yourself from the benzo, it actually creates more anxiety in the long run with its addiction and how it forms that need in order to supress the anxiety. the good herb leads to revelation and wisdom, understanding yourself and also being true to yourself, imo this is a much bigger stress relief than lying to myself that i need benzos in order to be socially adept or to relieve anxiety. plus the amazing aroma and healing qualities of the herb are very stress relieving for me, and it just feels so damn relaxing. idk tho its totally just my perception and the way i see things, watevers clever
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
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Hell yeah, benzos are fun when you got nothing or a lot of public stuff to do. I act stupid and stuff when I'm on them, cause I rarely do Xanax, even though I get em free.
I know this one guy who pops like up to 10 xanax. I stopped talking to him cause I hate people yelling at me over the phone
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
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I am freeing myself of the benzos man, its just rough and taking time. I love weed, I'm glad I have access to super top shelf strains all the time. Still not convinced weed can do the same thing as say, a mg or two of clonazepam regularly. Mary jane is a tricky substance, she doesn't always play like you'd think. I've had panic attacks that were induced by or exascerbated by cannabis hits
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
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No way weed can do the same thing as benzos. I am like you, I have horrible social anxiety and horrible insomnia. I have smoked bud for years and it does nothing for my social anxiety and because it's illegal it makes me paranoid sometimes.
As long as you dont abuse them, benzos can be very helpful. I personally dont get a recreational feeling from them so I dont find them addicting at all. I could go pick up 120 kpins at CVS in the morning for 4$ but I dont
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KillerPicklez said: No way weed can do the same thing as benzos. I am like you, I have horrible social anxiety and horrible insomnia. I have smoked bud for years and it does nothing for my social anxiety and because it's illegal it makes me paranoid sometimes.
As long as you dont abuse them, benzos can be very helpful. I personally dont get a recreational feeling from them so I dont find them addicting at all. I could go pick up 120 kpins at CVS in the morning for 4$ but I dont 
weed and benzo's definately don't do the same thang
imo you are only manifesting your own social anxiety with your need for benzo's anyway, you don't actually need a drug to relieve yourself of this anxiety
cannabis helped show me that also btw
i personally find the herb to be less refined and far more relaxing and i indulge cannabis/hash etc daily i love it
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If i had a choice between a gram of decent weed, or 100 10mg temazepam, i would pick the weed for sure. No regrets.
Unless i could sell the tam and buy more weed
It definaly dopes you up, but in a shitty non recreational way imo
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
#14558860 - 06/04/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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All sorts of pams but I don't think it produces any sort of high 
GHB or barbiturates are more fun, haven't tried ludes though
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you need to go smoke a bowl, you've been argumentative all night. you are in no position to say what I do and do not need. You dont know anything about me.
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unfortunately weed inhibits GABA-a which in the end results in producing anxiety.
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KillerPicklez said: you need to go smoke a bowl, you've been argumentative all night. you are in no position to say what I do and do not need. You dont know anything about me.
lol? how hypocritical
and beanhead, do you have a source for cannabis producing gaba inhibition and also a source for why this causes anxiety
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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Benzos have very little recreational value in my opinion.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: s240779]
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Yeah fuck em.
If i take them befor bed i sleep walk like crazy
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smoke a bowl to make you less of a dick, not to decrease your anxiety. no irony at all
you're normally pretty cool. I dont know what your problem is tonight. Not getting pussy or something?
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KillerPicklez said: you need to go smoke a bowl, you've been argumentative all night. you are in no position to say what I do and do not need. You dont know anything about me.
lol? how hypocritical
and beanhead, do you have a source for cannabis producing gaba inhibition and also a source for why this causes anxiety
Most certainly I do, here's some references: http://neuro.cjb.net/content/20/7/2470.full
**Nora Laaris et. al., "Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a full agonist at CB1 receptors on GABA neuron axon terminals in the hippocampus." Neuropharmacology, Vol. 59, No. 1-2, 121-127. 2010.[
**A. Hoffman, "Mechanisms of Cannabinoid Inhibition of GABA-A Synaptic Transmission in the Hippocampus." J. Neurosci., 20(7):2470-2479. 2000.
Marijuana causes a physiological reaction that causes anxiety.
Depression of growth hormone and cortisol response to insulin-induced hypoglycemia after prolonged oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol administration in man.
Six hospitalized volunteer male subjects were given insulin, 0.15 U/kg, before and after 14 days of administration of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) at a dose of 210 mg/day. A diminished maximal serum human growth hormone (GH) increase followed the prolonged THC ingestion. The mean maximal GH response was: 52.6 ng/ml /- 8.7 ( /-SE) before THC and 18.8 ng/ml /- 6.7 ( /-SE) during THC, P less than 0.01; corresponding cortisol responses were 20.1 mug/dl /- 3.0 before THC and 10.0 mug/dl /- 1.1 during THC, P less than 0.05. The data suggest suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis after prolonged high dose THC use. This is consistent with other reported endocrine effects of marijuana in man.
Gamma-aminobutyric acid B receptor 1 mediates behavior-impairing actions of alcohol in Drosophila: adult RNA interference and pharmacological evidence.
Department of Psychiatry, Psychiatric Institute, University of Illinois, Chicago, IL 60612, USA.
In addition to their physiological function, metabotropic receptors for neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), the GABA(B) receptors, may play a role in the behavioral actions of addictive compounds. Recently, GABA(B) receptors were cloned in fruit flies (Drosophila melanogaster), indicating that the advantages of this experimental model could be applied to GABA(B) receptor research. RNA interference (RNAi) is an endogenous process triggered by double-stranded RNA and is being used as a tool for functional gene silencing and functional genomics. Here we show how cell-nonautonomous RNAi can be induced in adult fruit flies to silence a subtype of GABA(B) receptors, GABA(B)R1, and how RNAi combined with pharmacobehavioral techniques (including intraabdominal injections of active compounds and a computer-assisted quantification of behavior) can be used to functionally characterize these receptors. We observed that injection of double-stranded RNA complementary to GABA(B)R1 into adult Drosophila selectively destroys GABA(B)R1 mRNA and attenuates the behavioral actions of the GABA(B) agonist, 3-aminopropyl-(methyl)phosphinic acid. Moreover, both GABA(B)R1 RNAi and the GABA(B) antagonist CGP 54626 reduced the behavior-impairing effects of ethanol, suggesting a putative role for the Drosophila GABA(B) receptors in alcohol's mechanism of action. The Drosophila model we have developed can be used for further in vivo functional characterization of GABA(B) receptor subunits and their involvement in the molecular and systemic actions of addictive substances.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
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pwned.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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any one here enjoy benzos?
not yet, but when I down the 4 mgs of clonazepam in front of me I will
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Individual]
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any one here enjoy benzos?
not yet, but when I down the 4 mgs of clonazepam in front of me I will 
You enjoy that
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
#14559061 - 06/04/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I already do!
Right now I have to stick to beer, can't afford to drink anything stronger yet, I'll be playing music at a party in few hours.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Individual]
#14559078 - 06/04/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fuck benzos. Especially Ativan.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
#14559084 - 06/04/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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When you are in fear, 5mg Valium or 0.25mg Xanax makes a world of difference.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: When you are in fear, 5mg Valium or 0.25mg Xanax makes a world of difference.
Bah, Xanax makes me want more, especially when it's under 1mg. I'm just so used to that loopy 2mg feeling.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Moronicus]
#14559102 - 06/04/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do most, if not all benzos feel the same?
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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Locky said: Do most, if not all benzos feel the same?
I'm almost certain of it, but apparently some of the other ones are more potent in the area that they make you black-out.
Valium and Xanax feel the same, I'm just more sloppy on Valium
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Moronicus]
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Apperently temazepam has 1.5 times more euphoria than the other benzos
I felt no euphoria at all
I only get it from amphetamine and opiates
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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Yeah all drugs I've tried up to now were accompagnied by euphoria in one way or another, benzo's weren't
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KillerPicklez said: you need to go smoke a bowl, you've been argumentative all night. you are in no position to say what I do and do not need. You dont know anything about me.
lol? how hypocritical
and beanhead, do you have a source for cannabis producing gaba inhibition and also a source for why this causes anxiety
Most certainly I do, here's some references: http://neuro.cjb.net/content/20/7/2470.full
**Nora Laaris et. al., "Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a full agonist at CB1 receptors on GABA neuron axon terminals in the hippocampus." Neuropharmacology, Vol. 59, No. 1-2, 121-127. 2010.[
**A. Hoffman, "Mechanisms of Cannabinoid Inhibition of GABA-A Synaptic Transmission in the Hippocampus." J. Neurosci., 20(7):2470-2479. 2000.
Marijuana causes a physiological reaction that causes anxiety.
Depression of growth hormone and cortisol response to insulin-induced hypoglycemia after prolonged oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol administration in man.
Six hospitalized volunteer male subjects were given insulin, 0.15 U/kg, before and after 14 days of administration of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) at a dose of 210 mg/day. A diminished maximal serum human growth hormone (GH) increase followed the prolonged THC ingestion. The mean maximal GH response was: 52.6 ng/ml /- 8.7 ( /-SE) before THC and 18.8 ng/ml /- 6.7 ( /-SE) during THC, P less than 0.01; corresponding cortisol responses were 20.1 mug/dl /- 3.0 before THC and 10.0 mug/dl /- 1.1 during THC, P less than 0.05. The data suggest suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis after prolonged high dose THC use. This is consistent with other reported endocrine effects of marijuana in man.
Gamma-aminobutyric acid B receptor 1 mediates behavior-impairing actions of alcohol in Drosophila: adult RNA interference and pharmacological evidence.
Department of Psychiatry, Psychiatric Institute, University of Illinois, Chicago, IL 60612, USA.
In addition to their physiological function, metabotropic receptors for neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), the GABA(B) receptors, may play a role in the behavioral actions of addictive compounds. Recently, GABA(B) receptors were cloned in fruit flies (Drosophila melanogaster), indicating that the advantages of this experimental model could be applied to GABA(B) receptor research. RNA interference (RNAi) is an endogenous process triggered by double-stranded RNA and is being used as a tool for functional gene silencing and functional genomics. Here we show how cell-nonautonomous RNAi can be induced in adult fruit flies to silence a subtype of GABA(B) receptors, GABA(B)R1, and how RNAi combined with pharmacobehavioral techniques (including intraabdominal injections of active compounds and a computer-assisted quantification of behavior) can be used to functionally characterize these receptors. We observed that injection of double-stranded RNA complementary to GABA(B)R1 into adult Drosophila selectively destroys GABA(B)R1 mRNA and attenuates the behavioral actions of the GABA(B) agonist, 3-aminopropyl-(methyl)phosphinic acid. Moreover, both GABA(B)R1 RNAi and the GABA(B) antagonist CGP 54626 reduced the behavior-impairing effects of ethanol, suggesting a putative role for the Drosophila GABA(B) receptors in alcohol's mechanism of action. The Drosophila model we have developed can be used for further in vivo functional characterization of GABA(B) receptor subunits and their involvement in the molecular and systemic actions of addictive substances.
(1)this is reffering to long term oral usage. (2) it doesnt substantiate any claim of anxiety in that article, funny if you even make a search on that page it comes up empty 
you are inferring something arbitrary from that article the line " Marijuana causes a physiological reaction that causes anxiety." was inserted by you to stilt it and make it sound like something in that article actually stated that. sorry try again
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Cannabis has been known to inhibit GABA-A transmission. This would be the same as the anxiety one would get if your blood level of benzos got low and you are dependent. There would not be enough GABA to cover the receptors that manage fear and anxiety.
Then again if you want to dismiss oral consumption (and this study overall by thinking I just interpreted it by reading one sentence) there is still the fact of shortness of breath and anxiolytics (sp?) that are in tobacco smoke. (want references, just ask)
Other then that I believe its likely much more complex than that, both anxiety and paranoia, are a result of your brain reacting to the abstinence of the drug you've so frequently "flooded" it with. With cannabis, smoking it would typically induce positive feelings. excessive drug use will trick your brain into relying on exogenous rather than endogenous sources. Therefore, cessation of whatever drug you typically used will leave your body without feeling comfortable, and thus responds with the opposite feeling (i.e. paranoia in the absence of calmness).
benzos respectively, are of course antianxiety/sleep aids etc, and help with such anxious/paranoid thinking. On the flip side though, CB1 induced suppresion of inhibiton at GABA receptors will lead to increased dopamine release. Both rewarding and perhaps, like other DA releasers could cause paranoia/anxiety. I guess suppression of inhibition induced DA relese is of a far smaller magnitude than that caused by stimulants and such.
Everyone is diffirent but still I think long-term smokers can expect a little bit of anxiety... Also from what I can read from diffirent forums about synthetic-cannabinoïds is that they cause anxiety and paranoia in higher (over)doses.
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Wow AntiEverything.. you are failing hard here! Are you stoned?
Weed is not some miracle drug, dude.
It causes anxiety in many people, it's a known fact.
I personally don't find that it kills pain. For me, it amplifies it. I think a pharmaceutical would do a better job for anxiety/pain.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Brugman]
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I only get paranoid on bud because of its legality. I don't get more anxious around people than when I am not on them. I tend to not let myself trip myself up more when I'm high, too.
Benzos are effective at relieving anxiety, IMO, because they make you not care. The anxiety is still there, you just don't give a fuck. Kind of the same feeling you get from opiates. That indifferent euphoria that makes everything so fuzzy.
I only do benzos to potentiate the effects of opiates. I strongly dislike benzos on their own.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Brugman]
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you co-opt your entire point when you value your subjective opinion over mine, i was simply stating what feels good to me and my experience with benzo anxiety and how cannabis has helped me with this, no where did i state this would work universally or for everyone
it is pretty obvious to tell how a benzo could lead to a cycle of anxiety and a need to dispell it. i was just telling everyhow how cannabis actually got me out of this cycle
also beanhead, the study you are presenting is fairly circumstantial, it's based on overconsumption of oral usage, i mainly smoke cannabis and i rarely if ever feel any anxiety. also it never explicitly states that gaba-a inhibition causes anxiety, i want it to be known that this is something beanhead is inferring himself from the facts that he has read. i do not believe him. for me cannabis definately relieves anxiety
i know what i like, i know what makes me feel good, stop trying to shove your opinion about pot causing anxiety down my throat becuase its pretty lame
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AntiEverything... you are an idiot.
You are pointing out everyone's fallacies and hypocrisy, but you fail to recognize your own. Just because YOU do not feel anxiety, no matter how much you smoke doesn't mean that weed doesn't cause anxiety in some people. Because, it does. Its a fact. I've experienced it, others have experienced it, I've SEEN people have weird freak out panic attacks because of weed. Just because it doesn't happen TO YOU doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Here is a list (copy and pasted) of cannabis effects, both good and bad from erowid.
POSITIVE
* mood lift, euphoria * increased giggling and laughing * relaxation, stress reduction * creative, philosophical, abstract, or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily * increased appreciation or awareness of music; deeper connection to music; increased emotional impact of music * increased awareness of senses (eating, drinking, smell) * change in experience of muscle fatigue; pleasant body feel; increase in body/mind connection * pain relief (headaches, cramps) * reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this) * boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny
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* general change in consciousness * increased appetite, snacky-ness * slowness (slow driving, talking) * change in vision, such as sharpened colors or lights * closed-eye visuals (somewhat uncommon) * tiredness, sleepiness, lethargy * stimulation, inability to sleep (less common) * blood-shot eyes (more common with certain varieties of cannabis and inexperienced users) * mouth dryness, sticky-mouth (varies with strain) * interruption of linear memory; difficulty following a train of thought * cheek, jaw, facial tension / numbness (less commonly reported) * racing thoughts (especially at high doses) * time sense altered (for example, cars seem like they are moving too fast); time dilation and compression are common at higher doses
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* nausea, especially in combination with alcohol, some pharmaceuticals, or other psychoactives * coughing, asthma, upper respiratory problems * difficulty with short-term memory during effects and during periods of frequent use (Ranganathan M, D'Souza DC, Psychopharmacology, 2006) * racing heart, agitation, feeling tense * mild to severe anxiety * panic attacks in sensitive users or with very high doses (oral use increases risk of getting too much) * headaches * dizziness, confusion * lightheadedness or fainting (in cases of lowered blood pressure) * paranoid & anxious thoughts more frequent * possible psychological dependence on cannabis * clumsiness, loss of coordination at high doses * can precipitate or exacerbate latent or existing mental disorders
Now I bolded all effects having to do with the topic of anxiety. Including those that dismiss it, so you can't say I'm being one sided with this. I'm not. I also love weed. But you can't just ignore a fact because it doesn't happen to you...
Does weed relieve stress? It can. Does weed cause panic attacks? It can.
CAN is the keyword.
Also, just call it fucking weed. People who refer to weed as some multi-word name, such as, "the good herb" are just annoying. I especially find it funny when the younger kids refer to it as "Jah's Wonderful Gift to The People". Shut the fuck up its weed.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Funguspants]
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wow you sound like a very confused soul.
i can call the good herb whatever the hell i please,first off
secondly, never once did i state that cannabis universally relives anxiety, i prefaced everything i said with an "imo" or an "in my perception of things". you are putting words in my mouth. theres no need to feel threatened by my opinion, or anyone elses opnion.
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You're right. My soul is very confused. I should go pick up some of Jah's wonderful gift to his great people... aka the great magical green herb of wonder and joy and go smoke it from my sacred rasta colored chalice (bought it offline from reallycoolsuperradmarijuanasmokingdevices.com) and have all my troubles blow away with the smoke.
Also, did I mention I'm 16, white, and live in my parents pool house?
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Funguspants]
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
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Beanhead said:
Everyone is diffirent

Whatever
YOU ARE RIGHT!
feel better now 
Seems you're the one feeling threatened for no apparent reason.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
#14559943 - 06/04/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also cigarettes do not cause cancer because I dismiss it!
I'm too non-conformist to be non-conformist brah

Perhaps you should look up what anxiety actually IS and just realize you are just dismissing facts because you don't understand them
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
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Most certainly I do, here's some references: http://neuro.cjb.net/content/20/7/2470.full
**Nora Laaris et. al., "Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a full agonist at CB1 receptors on GABA neuron axon terminals in the hippocampus." Neuropharmacology, Vol. 59, No. 1-2, 121-127. 2010.[
**A. Hoffman, "Mechanisms of Cannabinoid Inhibition of GABA-A Synaptic Transmission in the Hippocampus." J. Neurosci., 20(7):2470-2479. 2000.
Marijuana causes a physiological reaction that causes anxiety.
Depression of growth hormone and cortisol response to insulin-induced hypoglycemia after prolonged oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol administration in man.
Six hospitalized volunteer male subjects were given insulin, 0.15 U/kg, before and after 14 days of administration of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) at a dose of 210 mg/day. A diminished maximal serum human growth hormone (GH) increase followed the prolonged THC ingestion. The mean maximal GH response was: 52.6 ng/ml /- 8.7 ( /-SE) before THC and 18.8 ng/ml /- 6.7 ( /-SE) during THC, P less than 0.01; corresponding cortisol responses were 20.1 mug/dl /- 3.0 before THC and 10.0 mug/dl /- 1.1 during THC, P less than 0.05. The data suggest suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis after prolonged high dose THC use. This is consistent with other reported endocrine effects of marijuana in man.
Gamma-aminobutyric acid B receptor 1 mediates behavior-impairing actions of alcohol in Drosophila: adult RNA interference and pharmacological evidence.
Department of Psychiatry, Psychiatric Institute, University of Illinois, Chicago, IL 60612, USA.
In addition to their physiological function, metabotropic receptors for neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), the GABA(B) receptors, may play a role in the behavioral actions of addictive compounds. Recently, GABA(B) receptors were cloned in fruit flies (Drosophila melanogaster), indicating that the advantages of this experimental model could be applied to GABA(B) receptor research. RNA interference (RNAi) is an endogenous process triggered by double-stranded RNA and is being used as a tool for functional gene silencing and functional genomics. Here we show how cell-nonautonomous RNAi can be induced in adult fruit flies to silence a subtype of GABA(B) receptors, GABA(B)R1, and how RNAi combined with pharmacobehavioral techniques (including intraabdominal injections of active compounds and a computer-assisted quantification of behavior) can be used to functionally characterize these receptors. We observed that injection of double-stranded RNA complementary to GABA(B)R1 into adult Drosophila selectively destroys GABA(B)R1 mRNA and attenuates the behavioral actions of the GABA(B) agonist, 3-aminopropyl-(methyl)phosphinic acid. Moreover, both GABA(B)R1 RNAi and the GABA(B) antagonist CGP 54626 reduced the behavior-impairing effects of ethanol, suggesting a putative role for the Drosophila GABA(B) receptors in alcohol's mechanism of action. The Drosophila model we have developed can be used for further in vivo functional characterization of GABA(B) receptor subunits and their involvement in the molecular and systemic actions of addictive substances.
Since you've decided to quote this study again, I will again argue that the THC levels in this experiment do not in any way reflect the average cannabis user. This study would be far more interesting if they had taken time to research average cannabis usage rates and done multiple tests with varying THC levels. I know I certainly don't have any notable rebound anxiety from smoking pot, especially compared to true GABAergics like benzos, barbs and alcohol.
Just for a little personal touch, I've been smoking weed for ~7 years now. I took a 2 year break from all substances in the middle and that's when my anxiety issues began to surface(age 18-20). I'm chill as a cucumber sober unless I've been drinking or using other GABAs lately. Cannabis brings out latent anxieties in me, although I don't mind it because then I solve the issues that bother me. This effect is only while high though.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
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The way I interpret it: ofcourse this study isn't for the average cannabis user. Nothing in moderation is (that) harmful so ofcourse these numbers are in excess...
Hence there only occurs something negative when you abuse.
Besides his arguments are pathetic at most; dismissing it because he smokes it instead of oral ingestion ?
If I smoke cigarettes I won't get cancer, only by eating them. derp
And perhaps you aren't anxious (which is good) but THC does in fact do something to GABA which is related to anxiety issues. That's the point i'm trying to make...
Utterly dismissing it and putting weed (as always) on a high horse; it starts to get annoying. Better living through chemistry, I guess 
I've been smoking for a good 3 years whereas 2 years have been all day, every day. I don't notice any anxiety nor paranoia myself but I don't believe there are no consequences
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
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Last night my friend had a lot of xanax and i hadn't done it in awhile so i snorted .25 which is how like like to do it.
not a whole bar just enough to chill out a bit
he was fucked up and lost all his xanax
there is a sweet spot that is easy to pass once you're fucked up and aren't remembering shit taking more seems like a good idea.
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I'm not dismissing the possibility, I hope that wasn't what I put across. I can see where this effect happens when you smoke a ton, last year I was smoking like a freight train since I knew a lot of dealers and fuckheads that just always smoked a ton of weed but I don't do that anymore because it caused issues with me. I simply stated that studies like this would be of more use to everyone if they used multiple test groups instead of just one massive one. Too much of anything is bad for you, we know that. What about moderation? The relationship between the test groups would tell a lot of information IMO. Maybe I'm just too picky.
Also, proverbial "don't snort benzos" comment. Those .25 mg tabs probably dissolve really easily so sublingual is the way to go.. fast acting and efficient.
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maestroelite said: I'm not dismissing the possibility, I hope that wasn't what I put across. I can see where this effect happens when you smoke a ton, last year I was smoking like a freight train since I knew a lot of dealers and fuckheads that just always smoked a ton of weed but I don't do that anymore because it caused issues with me. I simply stated that studies like this would be of more use to everyone if they used multiple test groups instead of just one massive one. Too much of anything is bad for you, we know that. What about moderation? The relationship between the test groups would tell a lot of information IMO. Maybe I'm just too picky.
Also, proverbial "don't snort benzos" comment. Those .25 mg tabs probably dissolve really easily so sublingual is the way to go.. fast acting and efficient.
Most definetly not; question everything!
Now enough of derailing this thread
enjoy all your benzos people
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
#14560902 - 06/04/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So i can disolve temazepam under my tounge? i tried it when i was realy high on them but i dont remember if it worked
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
#14560917 - 06/04/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i take a bar and have time to roll a blunt and pour a drink
as soon as im half way through the blunt the void of xanax takes hold
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I was mocking you in that post, thusly, YOU are gaystapo.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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I said you'd be better off doing that with the small Xanax because they dissolve quickly in your mouth. Some benzos are intended for sublingual use, if you have the same type of temazepam I've seen there's a lot of binders and its pretty active orally. I had the 30s though 15 was usually sufficient.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: saxcidjazz]
#14562408 - 06/04/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol some are actually disigned for rectal too..
benzos = win
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
#14562428 - 06/04/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've never "enjoyed" benzos, personally. They are great when I'm dealing with anxiety bad enough to hamper my abilities, which is not often. As a recreational drug they hardly even get you "high" and I can't feel them at all unless I mix them with liquor, which itself is a very bad idea. It seems like the few times I got well and truly high on them I also blacked out and couldn't remember it. Not too fun IMO.
I've never tried barbiturates, though. I'd love to try qualudes, they sound like more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
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Who in there rite mind would inject benzos up there assholes!?!?
*oh god i cant handle this!* *bends over*
Yeah a pill would be alot easyer.
Is it okay to take like 5mg temazepam and drink a fair bit of beer? I dont enjoy my temaze
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
#14562893 - 06/05/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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people take benzos up the ass every day unwillingly
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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Locky said: Who in there rite mind would inject benzos up there assholes!?!?
*oh god i cant handle this!* *bends over*
Yeah a pill would be alot easyer.
It's for epileptics who are seizing too hard to swallow a diazepam pill.
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In that case 
But i wouldent like to be the one putting a tube up a childs ass 
for those who have to use rectal tubes 
I just popped 5mg of my temaze and its not to bad. I Think i enjoy it in the lower doses where i can just relax 
The problem i have with benzos is when i take some, i feel like more, So i re-dose. Then it hits hard and then i wake up the next morning bugging out
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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I hate them. I'm prescribed them for anxiety. I don't get a high, I just pass out for hours.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Ravana]
#14563435 - 06/05/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just took 20mg and i am feeling great!
its euphoric
so relaxed and chill man
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
#14563455 - 06/05/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah i like benzos at 1mg. anything above that i black out. But boy o boy do they help stress
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: L-Shroom-D]
#14563482 - 06/05/11 07:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes 
Soooo euphoric ♥
I hated benzos now i love them, omg yes!
Can i mix, say, 10mg oral temazepam with 300mg codeine? bad idea?
I want a rush
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
#14563491 - 06/05/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont think i would mix benzos with opiates, but in slight moderation it might be safe but me personally would not take the chance.
Ive only had Alprozalam and Lorazepam
xanax is fucking euphoric but always knocks me out usally, ativan is really not euphoric but it chills and relaxes you for a while and i dont pass out on it
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: L-Shroom-D]
#14563520 - 06/05/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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fuck that was a short euphoric rush. ima pop another 10mg.
its about 12.00 pm here, will i still be fucked up tomorrow? i have to work in 7 hours
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Locky]
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No clue dont know much about temazepam. but at the right dose you should be fine to work 7 hr later if you dont take to much
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Beanhead]
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Beanhead said: The way I interpret it: ofcourse this study isn't for the average cannabis user. Nothing in moderation is (that) harmful so ofcourse these numbers are in excess...
Hence there only occurs something negative when you abuse.
Besides his arguments are pathetic at most; dismissing it because he smokes it instead of oral ingestion ?
If I smoke cigarettes I won't get cancer, only by eating them. derp
And perhaps you aren't anxious (which is good) but THC does in fact do something to GABA which is related to anxiety issues. That's the point i'm trying to make...
Utterly dismissing it and putting weed (as always) on a high horse; it starts to get annoying. Better living through chemistry, I guess 
I've been smoking for a good 3 years whereas 2 years have been all day, every day. I don't notice any anxiety nor paranoia myself but I don't believe there are no consequences 
riiiight. it's amazing to observe how biased your opinion is. it is almost as if you didn't really read any of my posts, just inferred your own judgement from a few off hand remarks i said i made sure to express that this was simply my opinion and my perception.
how is it a "pathetic" argument that i don't get anxiety when smoking, when the study is about oral consumption? not only that but the study isn't even about anxiety i think you are pathetic for not adding these two up...
third you go on to posit that "of course it isn't for the normal cannabis user". well then fuck off, it doesn't apply to me asshole, i consume a reasonable ammount of cannabis.
i never tried to posit anything about tobacco so idk where the hell you are going with that.
but please, if you can find me a study that expresses the following:
1.) normal cannabis smoking causes gaba-a inhibition 2.) gaba-a inhibition causes anxiety
then i will admit you are correct, but until then, you are just another clueless asshole who puts words in my mouth.
becuase you still haven't shown me any evidence in favor of that.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#14563746 - 06/05/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry i probably haven't had my usual morning smoke
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Dude. Did you not see the list of cannabis effects I posted from erowid? If you don't know what erowid is its a 100% completely unbiased site full of drug information. Here it is again...
POSITIVE
* mood lift, euphoria * increased giggling and laughing * relaxation, stress reduction * creative, philosophical, abstract, or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily * increased appreciation or awareness of music; deeper connection to music; increased emotional impact of music * increased awareness of senses (eating, drinking, smell) * change in experience of muscle fatigue; pleasant body feel; increase in body/mind connection * pain relief (headaches, cramps) * reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this) * boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny
NEUTRAL
* general change in consciousness * increased appetite, snacky-ness * slowness (slow driving, talking) * change in vision, such as sharpened colors or lights * closed-eye visuals (somewhat uncommon) * tiredness, sleepiness, lethargy * stimulation, inability to sleep (less common) * blood-shot eyes (more common with certain varieties of cannabis and inexperienced users) * mouth dryness, sticky-mouth (varies with strain) * interruption of linear memory; difficulty following a train of thought * cheek, jaw, facial tension / numbness (less commonly reported) * racing thoughts (especially at high doses) * time sense altered (for example, cars seem like they are moving too fast); time dilation and compression are common at higher doses
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* nausea, especially in combination with alcohol, some pharmaceuticals, or other psychoactives * coughing, asthma, upper respiratory problems * difficulty with short-term memory during effects and during periods of frequent use (Ranganathan M, D'Souza DC, Psychopharmacology, 2006) * racing heart, agitation, feeling tense * mild to severe anxiety * panic attacks in sensitive users or with very high doses (oral use increases risk of getting too much) * headaches * dizziness, confusion * lightheadedness or fainting (in cases of lowered blood pressure) * paranoid & anxious thoughts more frequent * possible psychological dependence on cannabis * clumsiness, loss of coordination at high doses * can precipitate or exacerbate latent or existing mental disorders
I don't know whats so hard to accept that weed CAN (FUCKING CAN) cause anxiety and panic attacks. This is all unbiased facts. Notice, in the positives it lists stress reduction, and in the negatives it lists panic attacks. I don't think you fucking understand.
Drugs don't work the same on everybody. They effect your brain, your brain is =/= my brain. My brain =/= your brain. I know some kids who can take half of a roll and be rolling their ass off. I also know some kids (same amount of usage // no tolerance) who can take a whole roll and not feel a damn thing. They need two to get to where this chump needs half. I know some people who do not experience jaw tension while on coke. Does that mean coke doesn't give you jaw tension? No. I, and millions of other people have experienced jaw tension from coke.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Funguspants]
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i never said that it couldn't cause anxiety....
i was saying that it is good at causing anxiety relief
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it is and it isn't
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Quote:
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but please, if you can find me a study that expresses the following:
1.) normal cannabis smoking causes gaba-a inhibition 2.) gaba-a inhibition causes anxiety
then i will admit you are correct, but until then, you are just another clueless asshole who puts words in my mouth.
becuase you still haven't shown me any evidence in favor of that.
I don't know what you meant by this in your own words, but to me it seemed like you meant something along the lines of "show me a study that directly shows a connection between cannabis smoking and gaba-a inhibiton and proof showing that gaba-a inhibition causes anxiety because if you can't then it obviously doesn't cause anxiety"
Thats how it came off to me. If that's not what you meant, maybe reword it, but yeah. Seems like mis-communication?
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AntiEverything said: i never said that it couldn't cause anxiety....
i was saying that it is good at causing anxiety relief
Your right, it can relieve anxiety but it can also CAUSE it. Look over your posts dude... it really comes off (atleast to me) that your stance is "Oh, well it doesn't give ME anxiety so therefor, it doesn't give ANYONE anxiety and all information about cannabis causing anxiety are misinformation and lies."
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Funguspants]
#14564600 - 06/05/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just relized I never responded to the main focus of this post. Benzos.
I LOVE BENZOS.
You have to get that sweet spot though. Too much gets kinda dirty. I like combining a small amount of benzos with something else...
alcohol... weed... whatever.
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: Funguspants]
#14564688 - 06/05/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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not advocating anything dangerous but if you know what you're doing, (&have an opiate tolerance) some benzo + some opiate = very nice. add some alcohol and it'll be a great night, just watch out because at the end of the night you might be barely breathing due to doing 3 different depressant drugs.
of what I've tried, clonazepam is my favorite benzo with valium coming in at 2nd.
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Not to derail, but how long does it take to becomes physically addicted to xanax? i.e. days in a row? at say + or - 1 mg a day
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: shLong]
#14564705 - 06/05/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does this seem accurate to anyone?
"Xanax is addictive at dosage levels of 4 mg or more per day for periods from 8 to 12 weeks - although it can be dependence forming at lower doses."
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: shLong]
#14568537 - 06/06/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i concede that cannabis can cause anxiety, but i dismiss the possibility that this mechanism occurs as a normal function, the backend is never any more severe than anything else that causes mild GABA-a inhibition, i pointed toward the fact that the study was about heavy oral consumption as well as the results being inconclusive and sampling only a margin of pot users (and only heavy oral users at that), occasional pot smoking (even daily) is not enough to cause any withdrawal or anxiety post-usage. at this point i would like to cross apply the fact that this is simply my subjective viewpoint, and secondly that he still never provides any evidence to support his claim that cannabis can cause mild withdrawal post cessation. again the evidence i have seen so far points towards inference and weak scientific results- not conclusive evidence.
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benzos suck for recreational use IMO.
but they are great for dealing with anxiety and panic attacks.
opiates on the other hand...
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Re: any one here enjoy benzos? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14568629 - 06/06/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like benzos too much. I was prescribed 3mg Xanax a day for fine motor tremors. Six years later, I try to get off because I have turned into a zombie, and it takes a 6 month taper. I don't have any memories of that time and the few months previous, except my college had a snow day for the first time in 10 or so years, but I wasn't going to class so it didn't really matter.
I've found benzos to be a good combo drug. Benzos and weed is pretty fun, but the best one I've found is opiates+benzo+some booze. Maybe some weed too, but sometimes that just puts you the fuck out. Now, this is a very dangerous combo and you have to build up to the correct dosages. You need to use A LOT less of each drug than if you were taking them by themselves. Fortunately for me, I don't mess around with pills any more, so all those fun times have passed. Although I guess they can't be fun times if you don't remember them.
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Never tried that yet definitly sounds good though. I don't do too much opiates or really enjoy them. The only ones I REALLY enjoy are Suboxone / Subutek... why I have no idea but I love those things. I have drank on subs and its great, I can imagine a small bit of xanax, a little line of subs, and a few beers being great.
I used to have an ambien problem (sleeping pill not a benzo) but I would take / snort / eat some, drink some, and a couple times I have combined it with a small bit of xanax. GREAT. Loved it, did some stupid things however, but it was enjoyable all though a very stupid and dangerous choice (looking back on it).
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