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tell me what you thinnk about economy. not "the economy today," just economy in general. IMHO it's an unecessary waste of time and effort alltogether. let me hear your voice!
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GuruBushHippie said: tell me what you thinnk about economy. not "the economy today," just economy in general. IMHO it's an unecessary waste of time and effort alltogether. let me hear your voice!
an unnecessary watse of time and effort that has collectively resulted in the vastly improved living standards of humans all over the earth.
i think your thoughts (that have come up in this thread and teh dancing one in the pub) are founded on a complete lack of thought. you clearly haven't spent any time thinking about waht your'e saying, otherwise you woulnd't be saying it.
there are differnet ideas, and there are wrong ideas. yours are the latter.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
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GuruBushHippie said: tell me what you thinnk about economy. not "the economy today," just economy in general. IMHO it's an unecessary waste of time and effort alltogether. let me hear your voice!
an unnecessary watse of time and effort that has collectively resulted in the vastly improved living standards of humans all over the earth.
i think your thoughts (that have come up in this thread and teh dancing one in the pub) are founded on a complete lack of thought. you clearly haven't spent any time thinking about waht your'e saying, otherwise you woulnd't be saying it.
there are differnet ideas, and there are wrong ideas. yours are the latter.
what a dick. if you were so much more well versed that me than you'd know I'm not the first to say such things.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes] 1
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lol @ "economY"
"tell me what you think of economy"
lol is this economy:

or is THIS economy?

or is everything economy? I dont get it.
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humans all over the earth, or in america and other industrialized nations? economy fucks people who have nothing to contribute.
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GuruBushHippie said: what a dick. if you were so much more well versed that me than you'd know I'm not the first to say such things.
show me where someone has said "economy is bad"
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"economic development is bad"
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"economic progress is bad"
you know, any of those things. find me a link that says any of those. find me someone who says they'd rather live in a cave with a firepit and eat the bugs they find. find me someone who would rather become semi-skilled in every fucking trade instead of becoming a master in one, and earning a wage, and buying the rest of those servicse instead.
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#14557547 - 06/03/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The fact taht you keep using the word "economy" instead of any of the appropriate offshoots of it is just hilarious.
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GuruBushHippie said: humans all over the earth, or in america and other industrialized nations? economy fucks people who have nothing to contribute.
Humans all over the earth.
Economi progress on a grand scale started when Mercantlism died. Coincidentally, thats when the standard of living for humans all over started shooting upward.
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GuruBushHippie said: humans all over the earth, or in america and other industrialized nations? economy fucks people who have nothing to contribute.
First, you need to look up the definition of "economy" because you obviously don't understand.
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Definitions (2) 1. Activities related to the production and distribution of goods and services in a particular geographic region.
2. The correct and effective use of available resources.
Read more: http://www.investorwords.com/1652/economy.html#ixzz1OGwoEqW6
Second, meams is right.
You're basically saying that trade and production is a waste of time.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
#14557593 - 06/03/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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meams said: The fact taht you keep using the word "economy" instead of any of the appropriate offshoots of it is just hilarious.
ok, you're right, good call. i mean money. money is useless. it causes more preoblems than it solves. it's all made up just like time if you ask me.
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#14557594 - 06/03/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Me think economy good.
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sigma_zero said: Me think economy good.
free trade, yes. once a "fee" or some other form of exclusive payment is requred and service or trade excluded i have a problem with it. not everyone has money, but everyone has at least one skill to offer.
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Yeah. So when they offer that skill for money, they can have money too.
You're arguing that money is bad. But without money, I can't get the goods I need without having the EXACT goods that the person I'm trading with needs. This "coincidence of wants" is extremely inefficient.
Say I have an extra cow, and I need a pig. But the guy with a pig needs an extra goat. Instead of me trading my cow for a goat, and my goat for a pig, I can now just trade my cow for cash, and use taht cash to help buy my pig.
Cash is convienant.
What you don't like is interest, i'm assuming. But since you dont even know what you like/dont like, i dont expect myself to be able to figure it out.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
#14557756 - 06/03/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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meams said: Yeah. So when they offer that skill for money, they can have money too.
You're arguing that money is bad. But without money, I can't get the goods I need without having the EXACT goods that the person I'm trading with needs. This "coincidence of wants" is extremely inefficient.
Say I have an extra cow, and I need a pig. But the guy with a pig needs an extra goat. Instead of me trading my cow for a goat, and my goat for a pig, I can now just trade my cow for cash, and use taht cash to help buy my pig.
Cash is convienant.
What you don't like is interest, i'm assuming. But since you dont even know what you like/dont like, i dont expect myself to be able to figure it out.
dont'know what i like/don't like? what i don't like is busting my ass day after day in a dish pit only to have the government take part of my hard earned money every two weeks. what i WOULD like is having my whole paycheck to be able to afford something other than food and gas and pets. for fucks sake i have to grow my own drugs these days, but if i had my full paycheck, you know, what I EARNED, i wouldnt have to.
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lol then vote republican and stfu.
your complaints have nothing to do with "economy" you hate taxes.
goddamnit wtf is wrong with you. you haven't put forth a sound argument this ENTIRE EVENING.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
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what makes it "unsound"? the rules of "logic"? i aced logic (years ago.) reality is what you make it so long as you abide by the rules of the universe.
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GuruBushHippie said: what makes it "unsound"? the rules of "logic"? i aced logic (years ago.) reality is what you make it so long as you abide by the rules of the universe.
oh ok sweet. just link me to those laws of the universe and i'll get right on creating my own reality.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
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oh ok sweet. just link me to those laws of the universe and i'll get right on creating my own reality.
well that's my point exactly isnt it? we really don't know. but for now i'll stick with the basics, like total chaos. the only law of the universe is random chaos and that works for me.
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GuruBushHippie said: the only law of the universe is random chaos and that works for me.
the only law of the universe is random chaos? Then how the fuck did we get to the point that we are in?
Human biology? Talk about as un-random as you can get. Have you checked out the circulatory system? Its complexity is insurmountable.
Ive seen flowerbuds that were perfect fractals. I tried to find a picture of them online but i couldn't remember the plant type.
The universe is anything but random chaos. It is the antithesis of random chaos.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
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GuruBushHippie said: the only law of the universe is random chaos and that works for me.
the only law of the universe is random chaos? Then how the fuck did we get to the point that we are in?
Human biology? Talk about as un-random as you can get. Have you checked out the circulatory system? Its complexity is insurmountable.
Ive seen flowerbuds that were perfect fractals. I tried to find a picture of them online but i couldn't remember the plant type.
The universe is anything but random chaos. It is the antithesis of random chaos.
every breathing creature has a circualatory system. chaos very rarely results in simplicity. whats your explanation, just out of curiosity.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
#14558461 - 06/04/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think bushhippie is referring to the second law of thermodynamics in a closed, or isolated system. I would like to know how one could not abide by the rules of the universe. I'm gonna break its rules I denounce gravity.
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free trade, yes. once a "fee" or some other form of exclusive payment is requred and service or trade excluded i have a problem with it. not everyone has money, but everyone has at least one skill to offer.
I forgot the name of the program, but there is a town on the east coast that is using time as a source of currency. Time being the period that someone performs a service for another. The type of service, is irrelevant, all are equal, just based on amount of time spent working. For example say you went to see a physician for half an hour, you would then owe him a half hour of say painting his house, walking his dog, etc. I don't know how they accounted for the materials necessary for performing the job though.
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Re: Economy [Re: Therian]
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free trade, yes. once a "fee" or some other form of exclusive payment is requred and service or trade excluded i have a problem with it. not everyone has money, but everyone has at least one skill to offer.
I forgot the name of the program, but there is a town on the east coast that is using time as a source of currency. Time being the period that someone performs a service for another. The type of service, is irrelevant, all are equal, just based on amount of time spent working. For example say you went to see a physician for half an hour, you would then owe him a half hour of say painting his house, walking his dog, etc. I don't know how they accounted for the materials necessary for performing the job though.
my thoughts exactly, whats so hard about that to some folks? things work out more equally in the end when there's no source of monetary equality to start with.
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monetary inequality** i need to go to bed im wasted
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Re: Economy [Re: Therian]
#14558474 - 06/04/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Therian said: I don't know how they accounted for the materials necessary for performing the job though.
yeha that system wouldn't work on a widespread basis though.
i'll spend 30min cooking u burgers and u spend 30min doing my taxes, kk?
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#14558481 - 06/04/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeha that system wouldn't work on a widespread basis though.
i'll spend 30min cooking u burgers and u spend 30min doing my taxes, kk?
how do you know that, we havent tried it as a nation. the people here before andrew jackson fucked them for all they had worked on that basis and it seems they were a lot better off before "we" showed up.
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Therian said: I don't know how they accounted for the materials necessary for performing the job though.
yeha that system wouldn't work on a widespread basis though.
i'll spend 30min cooking u burgers and u spend 30min doing my taxes, kk?
how do you know that, we havent tried it as a nation.
how do i know? because we evolved from a barter system very similar to this one.
currency was developed for a reason, it makes everyones life easier
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ok but look at how much more individual choice one had in those times of trade.
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nono they had less choice, here's why:
-Say I have a cow. I can now ONLY trade with people who want a cow. And from those people, i can ONLY get the items they are willing to trade for a cow.
-If i could sell my cow for cash, I could then buy any item from anyone who was willing to sell it for that value of cash. Therefore, my choice is more.
Also, back then people didn't enjoy their "freedom of choice" as you state. Back then they worked all goddamn day just so they had something to eat. Living standards were shit and people died young. Then came the agricultural revolution, and the industrial revolution, and then people started having items to enjoy and food to eat. Oh wait, but all those things came to exist becuase of "economy"! Oh noes!
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meams said: The fact taht you keep using the word "economy" instead of any of the appropriate offshoots of it is just hilarious.
ok, you're right, good call. i mean money. money is useless. it causes more preoblems than it solves. it's all made up just like time if you ask me.
Perhaps that's why no-one asked you.
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op learn to base your opinions on facts that you can understand and articulate. Don't just believe what you feel.
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GuruBushHippie said: my thoughts exactly, whats so hard about that to some folks?
It doesn't function.
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sigma_zero said: op learn to base your opinions on facts that you can understand and articulate. Don't just believe what you feel.
But what he "feels" is his "reality" and you can't infringe on his reality just like he can't infringe on your reality. Duh. Nobody can impose their reality on his reality because his reality is just his reality and thats all.
money is dumb.
dont u see his point?
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I think he may have had his mellowed harshed. I hope so, anyway.
Nice job meams.
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zappaisgod said: I think he may have had his mellowed harshed.
He was pretty drunk last night, if i remember correctly. I think at one point in a thread in the pub he even politely asked us all not to call him dumb.
lolol.
obviously he has lots of ideas that don't have the ability to be properly reasoned out via a solid knowledgebase
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obviously he has lots of ideas that don't have the ability to be properly reasoned out via a solid knowledgebase
I don't think I have ever seen it put quite that way before.
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now that I think about it ---- neither have I. but it makes perfect sense to me.
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Lol.... Alchohol and the internet.
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It makes perfect sense to me, too, and is a beautifully crafted declaration that the subject is an (don't say it or you will be banned)
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
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a bunch of random people on the internet aren't gonna "harsh my mellow." sorry. as it turns out my little sis and her b/f came up to the blue ridge to visit me so i was camping with them. I have other shit to do than argue with you guys about something we're simply not going to agree on.
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nono i think we were implying your mellow has already been marsh'd.
lol you should just stop trying.
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meams said: nono i think we were implying your mellow has already been marsh'd.
lol you should just stop trying.
is that not what i just said? we aren't going to agree. good day.
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is that not what i just said? we aren't going to agree. good day.
Nono. See, we said you "already had your mellow marshed" -- which was a clever way of saying you took too many drugs and are more-or-less clueless now.
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GuruBushHippie said: a bunch of random people on the internet aren't gonna "harsh my mellow." sorry.
Implying that we were the ones marshing your mellow".
see?
lol @ you.
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is that not what i just said? we aren't going to agree. good day.
Nono. See, we said you "already had your mellow marshed" -- which was a clever way of saying you took too many drugs and are more-or-less clueless now.
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GuruBushHippie said: a bunch of random people on the internet aren't gonna "harsh my mellow." sorry.
Implying that we were the ones marshing your mellow".
see?
lol @ you.
gotcha, i just misread it. i've actually never heard that expression before. i work too much to be on drugs all the time. sorry for the mix up, good day.
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i hadn't heard it either. didnt take too much to put it togehter though 
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
#14565350 - 06/05/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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you guys are really goodat saying fuck you in a nice way.
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I've been on the shroomery for a while. Been temp banned from Money Matters for flaming stupid people. I know how to word things these days 
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
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is that all? anything else you'd like to say?
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Haven't you two lovers derailed this thread enough already?
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Derailed? Derailed from what? A one-way track to stupidtown? The entire thread was moot from the getgo becuase the founding ideas are laughable.
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zappaisgod said: I think he may have had his mellowed harshed. I hope so, anyway.
Nice job meams.
Exactly as i thought meams. harshed not marshed. marshed my mellow? i don't remember ever hearing the word "marshed" as a recognizable past tense verb in any language.
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He was referring to marshmallows
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yeah, like your brain is a marshmellow, since everything you say is so goddamn dumb.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
#14566491 - 06/05/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Calm it down, meams. Flaming will get you a ban. You get one and only one warning. This is that warning.
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Re: Economy [Re: Phred]
#14566693 - 06/05/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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understandable
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
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GuruBushHippie said: the only law of the universe is random chaos and that works for me.
Ive seen flowerbuds that were perfect fractals.
The universe is anything but random chaos. It is the antithesis of random chaos.
Just saw a video posted in the pub, and contained within the video was a quick snapshot of the flower I was tryihng to describe the other day. Perfect fractal.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
#14569918 - 06/06/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's not a flower
That's Romanesco broccoli
Edit: Well... just re-read the article. Apparently it is the edible flower of Romanesco broccoli.
Edit again: That made me curious so I went and looked. It seems the "normal" broccoli you but is also the flower.
Hmph. 53 years old and I didn't know that.
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gotchya bitch! flower it is!
glad to know i can eat it though. i want to grow it. coolest plant ever. been dying to find out its name for a while now, so thanks!
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
#14569947 - 06/06/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its not a perfect fractal though, it only resembles fractals at certain scales. (Like an how an egg only resembles a sphere)
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DieCommie said: Its not a perfect fractal though, it only resembles fractals at certain scales. (Like an how an egg only resembles a sphere)
yeah, it's definitely cool. i like the example of a conch shell. it mimics a perfect fractal but is only the result of a simple creature that calcifies sand/minerals very slowly as it grows larger. evolution is sweet!
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watch this whole documentary. Its all about how chaos creates order its really cool.
This is just #1 of 4 if you want to watch the whole thing just youtube the secret life of chaos.
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I wonder how many people see a thread titled economy with 4 pages worth of posts and think, hey heres a good discussion about the economy I can't wait for the cerebral stimulation... click.....
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i think most people think about the economy the same way they think about god and el nino
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Re: Economy [Re: Cherk]
#14573333 - 06/07/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey I like that. Yeah its amazing how simple it really is though I have taken 12 hours of economics and all you really have to understand is the supply demand curve, algebra and people operate for their own self interests. The part I didn't get was the part about people being rational.
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the part I don't understand is how old currency and markets are and how young economics is
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Re: Economy [Re: Cherk]
#14573448 - 06/07/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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People didn't start studying the market as an entity until economics.
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i disagree with your use of the word entity but I agree with you
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Re: Economy [Re: Cherk]
#14573472 - 06/07/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats really what they call it. An entity is just a system that responds to its environment. Society is an entity and the market is as well.
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fuck them
who are they anyways?
besides i take my original point back and now I disagree with you
to say the economy exists on it's own is solipsist
people have studied the economy as a force since at least the feudal age when people utilized monopolies
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Re: Economy [Re: Cherk]
#14573574 - 06/07/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lol. economics is just a word that means the study of exchange. We could argue economics began when the first guy studied the market or we could argue that economics began whenever that first asshole the father of economics said it did I really don't care. And economics does not exist by its self and neither does any other entity we are all part of some greater system and we haven't found the one that encompasses us all yet.
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Re: Economy [Re: Phred]
#14573580 - 06/07/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred said: Calm it down, meams. Flaming will get you a ban. You get one and only one warning. This is that warning.
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So this means I have one free flame coming? Can I use it on you?
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sigma_zero said: Hey I like that. Yeah its amazing how simple it really is though I have taken 12 hours of economics and all you really have to understand is the supply demand curve, algebra and people operate for their own self interests. The part I didn't get was the part about people being rational.
They only include that assumption of human rationality because if they didnt, then you couldn't make other assumptions about behavior. Typically there is an optimal path, and we assume that a rational human would pursue that path.
We make assumptions so we can make other assumptions so the complexity of the economic environment is palatable to our relatively-simple econometric models.
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
#14574615 - 06/07/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I know I was trying to be funny, the irrational are the outliers it only seems like they are the majority because they are the loudest of us.
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To the op, the phenomenon I was speaking of is called "time banking". you can see how it works on the PBS program fixing the future. the program also addresses sustainable business practices, Co-ops, etc. http://video.pbs.org/video/1616543504
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The problem being, to whom is this path optimal? I'm quite sure the defining characteristics of optimal to me, may not coincide with your beliefs of "optimal". Mine has winged, flying contortionist hookers that own liquor stores. Yours too?
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Re: Economy [Re: Therian]
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certainly an intriuging concept! Thanks for the info. i actually had a real life example of the joys of the barter system yesterday. A buddy of mine had a didgeridoo that he wanted to sell, but rather, he decided he wanted to trade it to me for a 1944 WWII backpack that i had laying around collecting dust. The bag is worth no more than 30USD and the didge was originally 100 bucks. I know it's not always such a good trade, but had he wanted money instead i would still be playing PVC.
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Re: Economy [Re: Therian]
#14600296 - 06/12/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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postfail?
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GuruBushHippie said: tell me what you thinnk about economy. not "the economy today," just economy in general. IMHO it's an unecessary waste of time and effort alltogether. let me hear your voice!
i agree, it's a waste of time. apparently a lot of people still feel like the reason we are in this economic mess is because of too much money going to labor. all those minimum wagers banking on the minimum wage really ruined our country 
i mean it's almost impossible to even get a correct point through to people, if you make $200 at the end of the week, almost none of the money stays in your pocket, you spend it in a hundred different places, mainly on THE RENT. if people who make more money don't buy houses, well then yeah obviously instead of blaming the people WITH the money to buy houses, let's blame the poor people for paying them too much minimum wage. not the wall streeters bonusing themself a few extra dozen mil or so at the end of the year.
considering most people still think the economic mess is WAY more obama's fault then Bush's, it's almost useless to even try and speak of the economy. it's such a waste of time. it's every man for himself I say. make as much as you can, doing whatever, stock broking, plumbing, w/e. and don't feel bad for a single second on how much you charge, if you don't over charge, someone else will. because at the end of your day, you have to compete with a bunch of rich voters, thinking the reason for national bankruptcy is 'spending too much on labor'
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looks like youre the only one who agrees (and you'll probably be bashed for it, but who the fuck cares right?) I just hate that i have to go to come home from washing dishes under appreciated and covered in rich people's discarded food particles. These same rich assholes think they have some right to walk in 5 minutes before closing and eat for two hours because they "know the owner." Fuck that shit. if i have to stay till all the shit is washed then i shouldnt get bitched at for having to be payed overtime b/c of some money-scribbling asswipe. Worst part is i have a batchelor's degree in sociology and recreation management but cant find a job. this country is bullshit.
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GuruBushHippie said: tell me what you thinnk about economy. not "the economy today," just economy in general. IMHO it's an unecessary waste of time and effort alltogether. let me hear your voice!
i agree, it's a waste of time. apparently a lot of people still feel like the reason we are in this economic mess is because of too much money going to labor. all those minimum wagers banking on the minimum wage really ruined our country 
i mean it's almost impossible to even get a correct point through to people, if you make $200 at the end of the week, almost none of the money stays in your pocket, you spend it in a hundred different places, mainly on THE RENT. if people who make more money don't buy houses, well then yeah obviously instead of blaming the people WITH the money to buy houses, let's blame the poor people for paying them too much minimum wage. not the wall streeters bonusing themself a few extra dozen mil or so at the end of the year.
considering most people still think the economic mess is WAY more obama's fault then Bush's, it's almost useless to even try and speak of the economy. it's such a waste of time. it's every man for himself I say. make as much as you can, doing whatever, stock broking, plumbing, w/e. and don't feel bad for a single second on how much you charge, if you don't over charge, someone else will. because at the end of your day, you have to compete with a bunch of rich voters, thinking the reason for national bankruptcy is 'spending too much on labor' 
Hey man... Lets not make too much sense here.. Of course the minimum wage workers are putting the megacorps outta business!!!!!!! I don't even average $200 a week.... I can't imagine how tough it must be for people that have to do this for an actual living.
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all really good replies
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GuruBushHippie said: I just hate that i have to go to come home from washing dishes under appreciated and covered in rich people's discarded food particles.
You have to start somewhere. I started working in exactly the same position that you are in now. I've never understood hating the opportunity that one has. It only makes things worse for yourself.
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These same rich assholes think they have some right to walk in 5 minutes before closing and eat for two hours because they "know the owner." Fuck that shit. if i have to stay till all the shit is washed then i shouldnt get bitched at for having to be payed overtime b/c of some money-scribbling asswipe.
If you're getting bitched at for overtime pay, then it's your boss who is fucked up, not only for bitching at you for something which isn't your responsibility, but for not not regulating closing-time well enough.
I really don't understand characterizing the customers in any kind of bad light. They are only coming in to do business. Why is that a problem? 
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Worst part is i have a batchelor's degree in sociology and recreation management but cant find a job. this country is bullshit.
I don't know what recreation management is, but I do know that a bachelor's degree in sociology is generally only one of the first steps of education towards being able to create for oneself a career that pertains to sociology. It really isn't that the country is bullshit that this is the case. It's just reasonable that there isn't very much demand at all for a sociologist with only a bachelor's degree, since there isn't, relatively, very many positions in the first place for a sociologist, and the ones that are typically demand further higher education as a means of quality and expertise assurance. It's just the way it works. Sociologists have a place in the economy, I'm sure there's some pretty sweet niches for a sociologist to get into that can provide for them a rich and full life, but it's something that you have to strive for to make happen for yourself. You can't just jump the first hurdle and expect as many jobs as you would if you had taken a bachelor's degree in teaching, or some kind of business-related diploma.
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GuruBushHippie said: Worst part is i have a batchelor's degree in sociology and recreation management but cant find a job. this country is bullshit.
I don't know what recreation management is, but I do know that a bachelor's degree in sociology is generally only one of the first steps of education towards being able to create for oneself a career that pertains to sociology. It really isn't that the country is bullshit that this is the case. It's just reasonable that there isn't very much demand at all for a sociologist with only a bachelor's degree, since there isn't, relatively, very many positions in the first place for a sociologist, and the ones that are typically demand further higher education as a means of quality and expertise assurance. It's just the way it works. Sociologists have a place in the economy, I'm sure there's some pretty sweet niches for a sociologist to get into that can provide for them a rich and full life, but it's something that you have to strive for to make happen for yourself. You can't just jump the first hurdle and expect as many jobs as you would if you had taken a bachelor's degree in teaching, or some kind of business-related diploma. 
What a perfect response. I lolled so hard when he said "This country is bullshit" (lolololol. i'm sure its his "guidance counselors fault" for pushing him into such a dead-end degree program, right? Just like its the bankers fault for "forcing" people into these giant homes they didnt want and couldn't afford )
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i know i have to start somewhere, but ive been there for two years. I deserve at least a tip-out on busy nights. That place would run itself into the ground without me and that's the truth. If i hated the opportunithy though, i wouldnt be there. Its a sweet gig other than the fact that i do my job plus the bus boy's, plus the custodian's because my boss is a jackass and won't hire people for those positions. Recreation management is what i'm banking on for a job, im trained as a climb facilitator/caving facilitator (building anchors, running lines, counter-ascending, rapelling, and belaying), a swiftwater rescue canoe/raft/kayaking guide, a wilderness first responder, and a backcountry guide in general specializing in the northeastern portion of pisgah natl forest. There's no reason i shouldnt have a job other than the fact that there just aren't any in my area of NC. Plenty of recreation, but no jobs. I'd have to pack up and move west and i just dont have the money for it as a dishwasher. The only reason one would ever get a masters in rec management is to teach it in college. The soc part is just a fall back in case i ever need to go back to school, i personally hated sociology at my university.
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recreation management is tough spot right now. federally-funded parks and camps won't be hiring because gov't spending is being cut back in non-necessary places.
your best bet is a domestic privately-owned adventure retreate place like Ace Whitewater (in WV) that stays operational because people continue to take domestic vacations in this time of economic woes
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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
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tell me about it dude. shit sucks, but i hear it's a lot better outside of the US so there's an option. Not to mention that rec and liesure are on the rise even though opportunities for it are declining. There's alwasy NOLS i guess...
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ideally i'd like to get into wilderness threapy and the treatment of NDD
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GuruBushHippie said: tell me about it dude. shit sucks, but i hear it's a lot better outside of the US so there's an option. Not to mention that rec and liesure are on the rise even though opportunities for it are declining. There's alwasy NOLS i guess...
i bet there are lots of places abroad where they need english-speaking guides to cater to english-speaking tourists.
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I aim to. they couldnt keep me out of the backcountry if they tried!
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I think it's so funny that everyone blamed obama so long for ruining the economy, apparently his 'stimulus' fucked us over. fucking lemmins and sheep, people that spout off things not even factual.
we were in a down hill spiral, every bank got in on a meeting, and sold our investments to the highest bidder, tarp? anyone remember tarp? yes, that's right, bush was president when the tarp stimulus went into effect. and it wasn't a low number, it was in the high billions.
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That was an easier thing to do prior to the 2000's. Nowadays it just seems like to have a decent paying job you gotta have an education that some folks just can't afford. Manufacturing jobs within the country are dwindling, and those remaining don't pay shit. It use to be you only needed a college degree to be a doctor, lawyer, etc... now you have to have one to do just about anything. People are trying to work man, it's just not that easy for those already unemployed.
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No, it isn't and it isn't going to get any better any time soon.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7611016.html
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In the latest sign that the economic recovery may have lost whatever modest oomph it had, more small businesses say that they are planning to shrink their payrolls than want to expand them.
That is according to a report released Tuesday by the National Federation of Independent Business, a trade group that regularly surveys its membership of small businesses across America.
The federation's report for May showed the worst hiring prospects in eight months. The finding provides a glimpse into the pessimism of the nation's small firms as they put together their budgets for the coming season, and depicts a more gloomy outlook than other recent (if equally lackluster) economic indicators because this one is forward-looking.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/15/inflation-rises-to-highest-level-in-3-years-key-manufacturing-index-goes-negative/
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Yesterday’s economic news was at best a mixed bag, with indicators all dropping, but not as much as analysts expected. Stocks rallied a bit on the news, picking up about 1% — but don’t expect that to last. Today’s news was all bad, starting with news that consumer inflation has reached a three-year high without any evidence of economic strength:
And here we have President Retard opining that ATMs are to blame:
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Our President Really, Truly Does Not Understand The Economy And they complain that Sarah Palin is "stupid" and unfit to be President?
Obama recently expressed a view of the economy in which technological innovation is viewed as a threat to jobs:
President Obama explained to NBC News that the reason companies aren't hiring is not because of his policies, it's because the economy is so automated. ... "There are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers. You see it when you go to a bank and you use an ATM, you don't go to a bank teller, or you go to the airport and you're using a kiosk instead of checking in at the gate."
This is a perfectly static view, which would have protected jobs in the buggy whip industry by preventing the creation and expansion of the auto industry; would have protected jobs at glass tube manufacturers against the advent of flat screen televisions; would have barred the creation of the cell phone industry because of all the jobs lost in the land line business, and so on and so on.
This is your modern union mentality at work, in which the preservation of the economic status quo takes priority over innovation and creation. Job losses in old industries make for good 30-second political ads, while the creation of new and more vibrant industries which create more jobs takes too long to explain on television.
He really, truly doesn't understand. It's frightening.
The reason employers are not hiring is due in large part to fear of Obama's economic policies which raise the cost of hiring.
The man is a fucking moron and must must must go.
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Stop smoking pot, save your money, go to community college start studying something that is actually in demand like accounting or some kind of medical tech job. Get federal financial aid, its not that hard. You have to realize you live in the world, the world doesn't live in you. You can't blame society because you got a dumb fuck degree without checking job demand first. If you don't wan't to do all that at least quit your bitching. At least we don't live in mud huts and eat termites and have to worry about the next tribe over coming over and killing us all for our food. Modern society is a good thing you just have to be smart enough to seek out a niche and get training for it.
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Another thing. It wasn't since 2000. For most of the 2000s I had a hard time getting employees. Construction was hot and young people seemed not to have any interest in a career building things. They just wanted to be computer geeks.
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whats up your ass? I got the degree i got because nature is my niche just like it is for some others. I intend to pursue that. Talk to the two men I saved last summer after they rappelled off their ropes and fell 30 feet to the bottom of a gorge and ask them about my "dumb fuck" degree. They walked again because I was trained to respond. I dont credit myself, i credit my education. Sorry i dont want a dead-end job. i have one already, shit sucks. @zappaisgod, yeah man, it's tough out there and i agree, Obama is a moron.
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You go on line and say I hate the economy because you can't get a nature job. Quit bitching and look harder or go get another degree. I am sick of how soft everyone is becoming. In my opinion we have it to good people have never been this comfortable. If you are unhappy you can only blame yourself.
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Until you've seen how hard i've been looking for a nature job don't judge me. Im continuously looking, it's just that most of those places have employees who stay for long periods of time so they dont hire as much. I agree that people are "soft." I wouldnt say I am, I love to work hard indoors or out, but it's just not what i wanna do forever. I'm happy, narly always happy, but that doesnt mean i cant be dissatisfied with my job situation. I've done my share. i went to college, I worked my ass of in backyards, swimming pools, hospitals (i'm a certified phlebotomist), and dish pits to pay it off and still am. It's time i started an actual career, but in order to get to where i can find one (Colorado or Minnesota) i need some money. I'd have no argument if i didnt feel i've given it 100% since i started high school so long ago. Shit happens tho right? I'll get there eventually.
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Why not go back to school Also how much do you think you spend on drugs and alcohol?
That is probably why I am being such an asshole. I had to quit smoking so I could save enough to move, put down a deposit and all the other bull shit in the city I am moving to in September. I just finished my degree in accounting. I can tell you its not some great dream of mine to do office work for the rest of my life but I am really happy I can get a good job just about anywhere in the country.
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Im just sick of school. Ive already spent half of my life in school, not to mention it's just more money to spend. I drink cheap, maybe 30 bucks a week whereabouts. the pot is free I'm happy for ya man, but that's you. I've got a skill set that will always be in high demand, jobs or not and that's wilderness survival and wilderness medicine as well as a good understanding of basic medicine in general. I didnt learn all that for nothing, yeah i would have wanted to know it anyhow in case i ever need to use it but i'm good at it and i love doing it so why wouldnt i make a career out of it?
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you can be sick of being poor or being in school. If you like to help people why not seek out something like physical rehabilitation. I don't think you would have to study long to get something like that and you would feel good helping people heal.
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That's what my pops said actually. it's a thought. i actually think im gonna go abroad. There's a lot more of my kinda "lifestyle" and career choices up north of us. Love the american wilderness, but the canadian side is just as striking. Plus, dual citizenship would be pretty sweet.
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I can understand being sick of school. I am 28 I spent 3 years getting my degree in biology only to realize I wasn't smart enough to make it big in that field so I started over with business school not to mention the two years I spent fucking off in community college first. One thing about school is you feel progress every day and that makes you feel good. And as you know once its over it feels like it flew by.
And yeah Canada is beautiful so is Alaska.
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i can agree with that. the progress is cool. I just dont really care to go another route.I feel like that would decrease my happiness regardless of the salary. i just cant keep myself out of the woods. The backcountry calls too strongly for me to be happy in civilization longer than a full week. Speaking of which, i need to pack for an overnighter. Thanks for the insight, you're a smart guy, you're just not so friendly at first. It's understandable though. there's some real numbskulls on here.
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Really my problem is pot. I have smoked for about ten years and whenever I have to quit like this I have to lock myself inside so I don't kill anyone. Sorry if I took it out on you, you are obviously a nice guy considering how you haven't lashed out on anyone on this thread. Good luck. I also love the out doors I have gone camping my whole life its how I commune with my mothers memory. I love hiking and running and we need people to preserve these parks and reserves we are lucky enough to have. All of these Europeans on here wish they have what we do as far as parks. And most Americans don't even give a shit about them they think the out doors are icky or something.
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no worries dude, totally understandable
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people should offer jobs before they accuse others of not working. give me a job, or stop bitching yourself
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There has to be demand for their to be a job. People don't just pull jobs out of their asses unless its a government job. You have to study the market find who is hiring and then do what you can to get those jobs.
You really are living in a dream world if you are mad at people for not giving you a job. you have to work hard in this life, just look at nature.
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imachavel said: people should offer jobs before they accuse others of not working. give me a job, or stop bitching yourself
"people should offer jobs" lolololol. People will offer jobs when it make financial sense for their corporation to do so. Everything else is on YOU, buddy.
If you dont' have a job, its because either (a) you're not looking, or (b) you're unwilling to work the jobs taht you do find [regardless of what you say, you can ALWAYS get employment, because there is ALWAYS fast food. most people jsut considre this unacceptable]
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ok BUDDY
so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.
have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.
I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?
go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.
people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.
ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough?
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I seriously doubt that anybody will miss your efforts if you go on strike
You think an agrarian society circa a few hundred years ago was a peaceful happy existence? Wow.
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so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.
have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.
I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?
go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.
people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.
ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough? 
I agree with you but who are you directing the first sentence of your comment to?
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You think an agrarian society circa a few hundred years ago was a peaceful happy existence? Wow.
And who are you directing your comment to. If its to imachavel I think you missed his whole point and somehow imagined something else. I don't know.
Actually maybe its because I am sober but both of your posts seem out of place like you two misunderstood someone.
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I was responding to his last paragraph wherein he imagined himself to be some roadbuilder. And this bit of idiocy:
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go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival.
No, everyone didn't stave. Only the lazy fucks did. And it was far from peaceful.
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no but it was 'THE REAL WORLD' instead of 'well if corporations don't want to do this shit dog, then i guess that's just how it is'
the fact is you have millions of slaves who will work for a $1 an hour, but not for free. make it free, and no roads will be built, no schools will be made, no running water will be experienced. and all these fancy imperial corporations will fall like tooth picks, as all empires eventually do. all empires fall. it just takes longer for some then others.
an old society was filled with poverty and war. it was bullshit. but if people didn't farm, everyone starved, it was that simple. you could slave people, and whip them, and make them work for free. but in any free society, if you didn't pay a farmer for his beets, you didn't eat. it was that simple. people seem to think with our complex imperialistic society we have now, that people still don't live on the basic 'food, water, shelter is basic survival, without it you die' rules. but it is still, and always will be, just like that. even if a few greedy corporations make us think otherwise.
the fact is, most people don't think their is anything wrong with a monopoly of a company, because they themselves wish they were that rich, and owned that much, and therefore respect them. the fact is, those people aren't giving you shit, and they never will. respect them all you want, wanting to be in someones shoes doesn't make them right.
and for people saying corporations supply millions of jobs? well sure that is true. until the economy goes bust and they fire millions of people even if they have a surplus of money left. just because of the interest of their own stock, in future matters.
now true, big corporations give millions of jobs. so greed looks, for lack of a better word, good. as gordon gekko said it. but the truth of the matter is, if the world largest bank went out, someone else would create the worlds largest bank. people need banks. if the worlds largest grocery store went down, people would create another grocery store.
it's based on supply and demand, and people telling you otherwise, live in a deluted world thinking a tower of tooth picks won't fall in a hurricane like anyone else. the truth of the matter is if every single person in the world died, the environment would do just fine, in fact, probably better. people are the least economic creatures on the planet, they use so much more then they return. if we all were gone, the ecosystem would move on just fine.
all the people, all the corporations, are all just tooth picks. they can do what they want. but as for the "they don't need to give you sympathy, why should they?" well they don't, and I don't need to give them sympathy either.
if they are really helping people, more power to them. if they aren't, whatever, they do it legal, who is going to stop them. if things are moving and wheels are turning, it's hard to argue. if the world trade center collapses one day, and all their stocks go down the drain, don't ask the people to get to work. I don't want to hear that shit. I've been working my whole life. I don't need to 'get to work' people who tell me that can shut the fuck up.
you work for your money mr. beatty, same as everyone else. your shit goes bad, tough luck. get to work and stop complaing, pfft. I've been working every fucking day since god knows when. I know my place, and mind my business. when everything goes bad. I don't want people telling me what to do. it's your problem, fix it. nuff said
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go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival.
No, everyone didn't stave. Only the lazy fucks did. And it was far from peaceful.
yes, just like in africa, only the lazy fucks starve. man, I don't know where or how you grew up, but you've got a lot of learning to do.
and btw I did build roads for a month. it sucked, and wasn't fun. but people still drive on that road, as far as I know. if they don't appreciate it, fine. but when there is no road, don't bitch at me, quit bitching and get to work
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go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival.
No, everyone didn't stave. Only the lazy fucks did. And it was far from peaceful.
yes, just like in africa, only the lazy fucks starve. man, I don't know where or how you grew up, but you've got a lot of learning to do.
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and btw I did build roads for a month. it sucked, and wasn't fun. but people still drive on that road, as far as I know. if they don't appreciate it, fine. but when there is no road, don't bitch at me, quit bitching and get to work 
You worked on a road crew for a month and think you built the road? "Delusion of grandeur" comes to mind. Were you shovel or flag? Whatever your contribution was, and I suspect it was so inconsequential as to beggar comparisons to dust motes, you most certainly did not build that road any more than the laborer who swept up the homes I built did.
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Funny.... some people would say the same for you (and clearly, some would say the same for me).
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dude, what the fuck did you ever do? I got sun burned to fucking death, that black asphalt really reflects the sun, and I thought black absorbed light.
yes let's wipe my data, so you can fucking tell me that only lazy people in Africa starve. amazing
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If he worked on houses, i'm sure he got sunburnt too. Please stop talking like your public works past makes you some kind of hero.
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I didn't say that.
Yeah, working on a road crew is tough. All construction jobs have their nasty bits. I know. I've done them for 35 years. One thing I didn't do when I was a grunt was think I built the fucking house.
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If he worked on houses, i'm sure he got sunburnt too. Please stop talking like your public works past makes you some kind of hero.
I only did road work for a month. I did construction for about a year, I worked for about 30-40 different companies. We had a boom here. I did houses, road work, demo, cement mixing, carpentry, all sorts of stuff. it is hard work. No one is saying that a corporation doesn't have the right to keep the money they make fair and square.
no one is saying that a person who works hard doesn't have the right to ask for more pay. whether the person who works hard gets more pay or not is undecided, as how it is. a person who is rich and loses stocks in a recession has the right to say he wishes people worked harder for him to his company could do better, considering all the jobs he has supplied. and once again, whether that happens or not, is undecided, as people can leave and find different jobs, get fired, whatever it is. I'm saying, complaints are fair, but that goes both ways. to both people who wish the other would stop complaining, well, it's their life, and not the other persons fault or responsibility, to fix the other persons problems.
if "tough luck" is the reply, then ok, works both ways. but don't forget a little bit of courtesy goes a long ways for receiving compassion. once again, this works both ways.
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I didn't say that.
Yeah, working on a road crew is tough. All construction jobs have their nasty bits. I know. I've done them for 35 years. One thing I didn't do when I was a grunt was think I built the fucking house.
so what did you do, nothing? you built only 1/10th of the house, but after building 200 houses, don't you think 1/10th of each of those houses equals you building 20 houses total? you might be so hard on yourself, but I'm not.
I screwed in hangers into concrete, and helped install 2x4's, etc. etc. all lengths of wood and actually helped build a small house, from start to finish. did I build it by myself? hell no. do I consider that I did help build the house, and was somewhat responsible? hell yes. I personally think my work was worth recognition. now this was only 1 year, and like 7 years ago. nothing compared to your 35 years of work. I'm not saying I built the city. I'm just saying I was there to help. Personally, that is a reward in itself.
Now I'm saying, if a contractor doesn't pay me, and says "work harder to make more money" I'm out. and if he bitches about his company failing, I'm going to say "quit complaining and get back to work"
I think that's fair enough, you don't agree?
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so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.
have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.
I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?
go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.
people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.
ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough? 
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I didn't say that.
Yeah, working on a road crew is tough. All construction jobs have their nasty bits. I know. I've done them for 35 years. One thing I didn't do when I was a grunt was think I built the fucking house.
so what did you do, nothing? you built only 1/10th of the house, but after building 200 houses, don't you think 1/10th of each of those houses equals you building 20 houses total? you might be so hard on yourself, but I'm not.
I am a master framer. I built the houses. I and the architects and the people who paid the money. Not the jerk offs who carried the lumber.Quote:
I screwed in hangers into concrete, and helped install 2x4's, etc. etc. all lengths of wood and actually helped build a small house, from start to finish. did I build it by myself? hell no. do I consider that I did help build the house, and was somewhat responsible? hell yes. I personally think my work was worth recognition. now this was only 1 year, and like 7 years ago. nothing compared to your 35 years of work. I'm not saying I built the city. I'm just saying I was there to help. Personally, that is a reward in itself.
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Now I'm saying, if a contractor doesn't pay me, and says "work harder to make more money" I'm out. and if he bitches about his company failing, I'm going to say "quit complaining and get back to work"
I think that's fair enough, you don't agree?
If a contractor doesn't pay you you should make sure you get your money. There are mechanisms for this. If you want to make more money you should work harder and/or better. If he complains that his company is failing your job doesn't change. The day you pay him is the day you can tell him to "quit complaining and get back to work". Otherwise you can call unemployment and fuck off.
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O sorry I must have missed some of the posts. I thought read everything.
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imachavel said: ok BUDDY
so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.
have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.
I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?
go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.
people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.
ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough? 
Thank you!
Also I re read this. I agreed about the hard work part but do you mean to say that if no one needs to hire you to build a road they won't therefore they won't pay you and you won't build the road? Also who the fuck ever said you shouldn't have to work hard in this thread. Is there something wrong with you I have a hard time finding any real substance in your rants.
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yes I thought I missed something also, I thought I just read zappa say that "we built the house, not the person who carried the lumber and didn't do shit" because I was about to go tell him to shove it up his ass if he said that.
anyway, I did carpentry also, I didn't know reading blueprints and cutting wood and drilling it together was really 'more of the work then carrying the wood' but anyway I did that also.
I also have a friend that designed a few blueprints for larger then house sized buildings using auto cad, so really that took time and intelligence to master, but mostly he sat on a computer, and didn't strain his arms, but maybe strained his brain. zappa just thinks he is better then people.
next time zappa, just build the house, drill in the hangers, make the measurements, cut the wood, nail it together, AND carry the wood by yourself. you can do every part of it by yourself, and no one will ever argue with you ever again. when you can say you owned the company, and did every job in the company at least once, like you basically ran the company yourself, and when someone was out, did their job, and made a shit load of money, then you truly, surpass every person ever, and are god
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imachavel said: ok BUDDY
so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.
have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.
I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?
go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.
people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.
ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough? 
Thank you!
Also I re read this. I agreed about the hard work part but do you mean to say that if no one needs to hire you to build a road they won't therefore they won't pay you and you won't build the road? Also who the fuck ever said you shouldn't have to work hard in this thread. Is there something wrong with you I have a hard time finding any real substance in your rants.
well you don't have to read them. but a lot of people respond to others bitching about the economy with "quit complaining and go to work" which is hard to argue with because... well... if the economy sucks and there are less jobs, how can you go to work?
anyway, I was just saying, when people say "quit complaining and work harder" because "company owners can do with their money what they please, and it's none of your sanctimonious business" I'm kind of like, well ok then, so then if they go bank rupt it's none of my business. I don't owe them anything do I? I mean obama asks so many people to work harder and make money for the country, I don't want to take the next shit job because 'working will help my country by making the economy money'
truthfully, I'm not happy about a position as a janitor then I ever really was before. it's none of MY business what companies do with their money, so when they go bank rupt, it's not MY problem to work for them and make them money to help their business grow and the economy. truthfully it's total horse shit that I have no say in how a company runs their business, hires people, pays them, not even as an opinion does my voice really matter.
so what is it any of their business how hard I work? I have 2 jobs, work 3 days a week for each one, and should quit extra days at one to work extra days at another? really? their company, in which I have no say, is my problem? I own no shares of their company, but I should work harder then the requirements given before me? really? this isn't what you are saying, but it sounds aweful close to what zappa says, quite a bit. truthfully, if it's none of my business, it's none of my business, AT ALL. I always kind of think when you work for someone, you have a right to voice a little bit of your opinion about what the company does, considering you are, a part of that company. it takes 4 wheels to move a car doesn't it? or does it take only 3 wheels?
well most people don't agree with what I just said, but really that is what I think. honestly, if my shit isn't their problem, then their shit isn't my problem. I think that's fair. now that is simple enough to understand right?
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exactly. it would mean more to hand out flyers and advertise, if they suddenly make 10,000 sales the next day, because of a rave about the flyers. who builds the building doesn't matter, they can get anyone to do that.
I'm not arguing with that. I may not agree with it, but I understand it. money is money. it's how much you make them that matters. but honestly isn't it nice to know you get respect for working your ass off? instead of "we weren't the lazy fucks who just carried the wood" I mean zappa is so respectful, some times I feel like giving him a medal.
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I think I get you but the cold hard truth is the cold hard truth. You have to find a niche in the economy to survive just like animals have to find their niches in nature. And when I say quit bitching and start working I basically mean find the jobs that are in demand and then seek training in them because hating the way it is will not change anything. Do what ever you have to just like a junky would for their fix.
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well ok then. THAT, I can't argue with
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sigma_zero said: O sorry I must have missed some of the posts. I thought read everything.
yes I thought I missed something also, I thought I just read zappa say that "we built the house, not the person who carried the lumber and didn't do shit" because I was about to go tell him to shove it up his ass if he said that.
anyway, I did carpentry also, I didn't know reading blueprints and cutting wood and drilling it together was really 'more of the work then carrying the wood' but anyway I did that also.
I also have a friend that designed a few blueprints for larger then house sized buildings using auto cad, so really that took time and intelligence to master, but mostly he sat on a computer, and didn't strain his arms, but maybe strained his brain. zappa just thinks he is better then people.
next time zappa, just build the house, drill in the hangers, make the measurements, cut the wood, nail it together, AND carry the wood by yourself. you can do every part of it by yourself, and no one will ever argue with you ever again. when you can say you owned the company, and did every job in the company at least once, like you basically ran the company yourself, and when someone was out, did their job, and made a shit load of money, then you truly, surpass every person ever, and are god 
When I was learning I did all of those things at many points. Without direction I was nothing. I knew it, too. The people who supply the direction and the money are the builders. Grunts are just that. Grunts. Easily replaceable cyphers.
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sigma_zero said: O sorry I must have missed some of the posts. I thought read everything.
yes I thought I missed something also, I thought I just read zappa say that "we built the house, not the person who carried the lumber and didn't do shit" because I was about to go tell him to shove it up his ass if he said that.
anyway, I did carpentry also, I didn't know reading blueprints and cutting wood and drilling it together was really 'more of the work then carrying the wood' but anyway I did that also.
I also have a friend that designed a few blueprints for larger then house sized buildings using auto cad, so really that took time and intelligence to master, but mostly he sat on a computer, and didn't strain his arms, but maybe strained his brain. zappa just thinks he is better then people.
next time zappa, just build the house, drill in the hangers, make the measurements, cut the wood, nail it together, AND carry the wood by yourself. you can do every part of it by yourself, and no one will ever argue with you ever again. when you can say you owned the company, and did every job in the company at least once, like you basically ran the company yourself, and when someone was out, did their job, and made a shit load of money, then you truly, surpass every person ever, and are god 
When I was learning I did all of those things at many points. Without direction I was nothing. I knew it, too. The people who supply the direction and the money are the builders. Grunts are just that. Grunts. Easily replaceable cyphers.
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