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Re: Economy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14633781 - 06/18/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dude, what the fuck did you ever do? I got sun burned to fucking death, that black asphalt really reflects the sun, and I thought black absorbed light.

yes let's wipe my data, so you can fucking tell me that only lazy people in Africa starve. amazing


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Re: Economy [Re: imachavel]
    #14633817 - 06/18/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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dude, what the fuck did you ever do? I got sun burned to fucking death, that black asphalt really reflects the sun, and I thought black absorbed light.




If he worked on houses, i'm sure he got sunburnt too.  Please stop talking like your public works past makes you some kind of hero.

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Re: Economy [Re: imachavel]
    #14633833 - 06/18/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:facepalm:I didn't say that.

Yeah, working on a road crew is tough.  All construction jobs have their nasty bits.  I know.  I've done them for 35 years.  One thing I didn't do when I was a grunt was think I built the fucking house.


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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
    #14633955 - 06/18/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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dude, what the fuck did you ever do? I got sun burned to fucking death, that black asphalt really reflects the sun, and I thought black absorbed light.




If he worked on houses, i'm sure he got sunburnt too.  Please stop talking like your public works past makes you some kind of hero.




I only did road work for a month. I did construction for about a year, I worked for about 30-40 different companies. We had a boom here. I did houses, road work, demo, cement mixing, carpentry, all sorts of stuff. it is hard work. No one is saying that a corporation doesn't have the right to keep the money they make fair and square.

no one is saying that a person who works hard doesn't have the right to ask for more pay. whether the person who works hard gets more pay or not is undecided, as how it is. a person who is rich and loses stocks in a recession has the right to say he wishes people worked harder for him to his company could do better, considering all the jobs he has supplied. and once again, whether that happens or not, is undecided, as people can leave and find different jobs, get fired, whatever it is. I'm saying, complaints are fair, but that goes both ways. to both people who wish the other would stop complaining, well, it's their life, and not the other persons fault or responsibility, to fix the other persons problems.

if "tough luck" is the reply, then ok, works both ways. but don't forget a little bit of courtesy goes a long ways for receiving compassion. once again, this works both ways.


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Re: Economy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14633987 - 06/18/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:facepalm:I didn't say that.

Yeah, working on a road crew is tough.  All construction jobs have their nasty bits.  I know.  I've done them for 35 years.  One thing I didn't do when I was a grunt was think I built the fucking house.




so what did you do, nothing? you built only 1/10th of the house, but after building 200 houses, don't you think 1/10th of each of those houses equals you building 20 houses total? you might be so hard on yourself, but I'm not.

I screwed in hangers into concrete, and helped install 2x4's, etc. etc. all lengths of wood and actually helped build a small house, from start to finish. did I build it by myself? hell no. do I consider that I did help build the house, and was somewhat responsible? hell yes. I personally think my work was worth recognition. now this was only 1 year, and like 7 years ago. nothing compared to your 35 years of work. I'm not saying I built the city. I'm just saying I was there to help. Personally, that is a reward in itself.

Now I'm saying, if a contractor doesn't pay me, and says "work harder to make more money" I'm out. and if he bitches about his company failing, I'm going to say "quit complaining and get back to work"

I think that's fair enough, you don't agree?


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Re: Economy [Re: imachavel]
    #14634065 - 06/18/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ok BUDDY

so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.

have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.

I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?

go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.


people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.

ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? :lol: let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough? :smirk:



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Re: Economy [Re: imachavel]
    #14634113 - 06/18/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:facepalm:I didn't say that.

Yeah, working on a road crew is tough.  All construction jobs have their nasty bits.  I know.  I've done them for 35 years.  One thing I didn't do when I was a grunt was think I built the fucking house.




so what did you do, nothing? you built only 1/10th of the house, but after building 200 houses, don't you think 1/10th of each of those houses equals you building 20 houses total? you might be so hard on yourself, but I'm not.




I am a master framer.  I built the houses.  I and the architects and the people who paid the money.  Not the jerk offs who carried the lumber.
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I screwed in hangers into concrete, and helped install 2x4's, etc. etc. all lengths of wood and actually helped build a small house, from start to finish. did I build it by myself? hell no. do I consider that I did help build the house, and was somewhat responsible? hell yes. I personally think my work was worth recognition. now this was only 1 year, and like 7 years ago. nothing compared to your 35 years of work. I'm not saying I built the city. I'm just saying I was there to help. Personally, that is a reward in itself.




You weren't responsible.  You were an easily replaceable cypher. 
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Now I'm saying, if a contractor doesn't pay me, and says "work harder to make more money" I'm out. and if he bitches about his company failing, I'm going to say "quit complaining and get back to work"

I think that's fair enough, you don't agree?




If a contractor doesn't pay you you should make sure you get your money.  There are mechanisms for this.  If you want to make more money you should work harder and/or better.  If he complains that his company is failing your job doesn't change.  The day you pay him is the day you can tell him to "quit complaining and get back to work".  Otherwise you can call unemployment and fuck off.


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Re: Economy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14634152 - 06/18/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

O sorry I must have missed some of the posts. I thought read everything.


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Re: Economy [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14634170 - 06/18/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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imachavel said:
ok BUDDY

so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.

have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.

I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?

go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.


people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.

ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? :lol: let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough? :smirk:



Thank you!



Also I re read this. I agreed about the hard work part but do you mean to say that if no one needs to hire you to build a road they won't therefore they won't pay you and you won't build the road?  Also who the fuck ever said you shouldn't have to work hard in this thread.  Is there something wrong with you I have a hard time finding any real substance in your rants.


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Re: Economy [Re: sigma_zero]
    #14635364 - 06/18/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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sigma_zero said:
O sorry I must have missed some of the posts. I thought read everything.




yes I thought I missed something also, I thought I just read zappa say that "we built the house, not the person who carried the lumber and didn't do shit" because I was about to go tell him to shove it up his ass if he said that.

anyway, I did carpentry also, I didn't know reading blueprints and cutting wood and drilling it together was really 'more of the work then carrying the wood' but anyway I did that also.

I also have a friend that designed a few blueprints for larger then house sized buildings using auto cad, so really that took time and intelligence to master, but mostly he sat on a computer, and didn't strain his arms, but maybe strained his brain. zappa just thinks he is better then people.

next time zappa, just build the house, drill in the hangers, make the measurements, cut the wood, nail it together, AND carry the wood by yourself. you can do every part of it by yourself, and no one will ever argue with you ever again. when you can say you owned the company, and did every job in the company at least once, like you basically ran the company yourself, and when someone was out, did their job, and made a shit load of money, then you truly, surpass every person ever, and are god :wink:


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Re: Economy [Re: imachavel]
    #14635389 - 06/18/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Look,  it doesn't matter how much effort you put into something it matters how much what you do benefits the people that are willing to pay you.


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Re: Economy [Re: sigma_zero]
    #14635419 - 06/18/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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sigma_zero said:
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GuruBushHippie said:
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imachavel said:
ok BUDDY

so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.

have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.

I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?

go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.


people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.

ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? :lol: let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough? :smirk:



Thank you!



Also I re read this. I agreed about the hard work part but do you mean to say that if no one needs to hire you to build a road they won't therefore they won't pay you and you won't build the road?  Also who the fuck ever said you shouldn't have to work hard in this thread.  Is there something wrong with you I have a hard time finding any real substance in your rants.




well you don't have to read them. but a lot of people respond to others bitching about the economy with "quit complaining and go to work" which is hard to argue with because... well... :shrug: if the economy sucks and there are less jobs, how can you go to work?

anyway, I was just saying, when people say "quit complaining and work harder" because "company owners can do with their money what they please, and it's none of your sanctimonious business" I'm kind of like, well ok then, so then if they go bank rupt it's none of my business. I don't owe them anything do I? I mean obama asks so many people to work harder and make money for the country, I don't want to take the next shit job because 'working will help my country by making the economy money'

truthfully, I'm not happy about a position as a janitor then I ever really was before. it's none of MY business what companies do with their money, so when they go bank rupt, it's not MY problem to work for them and make them money to help their business grow and the economy. truthfully it's total horse shit that I have no say in how a company runs their business, hires people, pays them, not even as an opinion does my voice really matter.

so what is it any of their business how hard I work? I have 2 jobs, work 3 days a week for each one, and should quit extra days at one to work extra days at another? really? their company, in which I have no say, is my problem? I own no shares of their company, but I should work harder then the requirements given before me? really? this isn't what you are saying, but it sounds aweful close to what zappa says, quite a bit. truthfully, if it's none of my business, it's none of my business, AT ALL. I always kind of think when you work for someone, you have a right to voice a little bit of your opinion about what the company does, considering you are, a part of that company. it takes 4 wheels to move a car doesn't it? or does it take only 3 wheels?

well most people don't agree with what I just said, but really that is what I think. honestly, if my shit isn't their problem, then their shit isn't my problem. I think that's fair. now that is simple enough to understand right?


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Re: Economy [Re: sigma_zero]
    #14635429 - 06/18/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Look,  it doesn't matter how much effort you put into something it matters how much what you do benefits the people that are willing to pay you.




exactly. it would mean more to hand out flyers and advertise, if they suddenly make 10,000 sales the next day, because of a rave about the flyers. who builds the building doesn't matter, they can get anyone to do that.

I'm not arguing with that. I may not agree with it, but I understand it. money is money. it's how much you make them that matters. but honestly isn't it nice to know you get respect for working your ass off? instead of "we weren't the lazy fucks who just carried the wood" I mean zappa is so respectful, some times I feel like giving him a medal.


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Re: Economy [Re: imachavel]
    #14635442 - 06/18/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think I get you but the cold hard truth is the cold hard truth.  You have to find a niche in the economy to survive just like animals have to find their niches in nature.  And when I say quit bitching and start working I basically mean find the jobs that are in demand and then seek training in them because hating the way it is will not change anything.  Do what ever you have to just like a junky would for their fix.


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Re: Economy [Re: sigma_zero]
    #14635462 - 06/18/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well ok then. THAT, I can't argue with


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Re: Economy [Re: imachavel]
    #14638045 - 06/19/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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sigma_zero said:
O sorry I must have missed some of the posts. I thought read everything.




yes I thought I missed something also, I thought I just read zappa say that "we built the house, not the person who carried the lumber and didn't do shit" because I was about to go tell him to shove it up his ass if he said that.

anyway, I did carpentry also, I didn't know reading blueprints and cutting wood and drilling it together was really 'more of the work then carrying the wood' but anyway I did that also.

I also have a friend that designed a few blueprints for larger then house sized buildings using auto cad, so really that took time and intelligence to master, but mostly he sat on a computer, and didn't strain his arms, but maybe strained his brain. zappa just thinks he is better then people.

next time zappa, just build the house, drill in the hangers, make the measurements, cut the wood, nail it together, AND carry the wood by yourself. you can do every part of it by yourself, and no one will ever argue with you ever again. when you can say you owned the company, and did every job in the company at least once, like you basically ran the company yourself, and when someone was out, did their job, and made a shit load of money, then you truly, surpass every person ever, and are god :wink:




When I was learning I did all of those things at many points.  Without direction I was nothing.  I knew it, too.  The people who supply the direction and the money are the builders.  Grunts are just that.  Grunts.  Easily replaceable cyphers.


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Re: Economy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14638158 - 06/19/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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imachavel said:
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sigma_zero said:
O sorry I must have missed some of the posts. I thought read everything.




yes I thought I missed something also, I thought I just read zappa say that "we built the house, not the person who carried the lumber and didn't do shit" because I was about to go tell him to shove it up his ass if he said that.

anyway, I did carpentry also, I didn't know reading blueprints and cutting wood and drilling it together was really 'more of the work then carrying the wood' but anyway I did that also.

I also have a friend that designed a few blueprints for larger then house sized buildings using auto cad, so really that took time and intelligence to master, but mostly he sat on a computer, and didn't strain his arms, but maybe strained his brain. zappa just thinks he is better then people.

next time zappa, just build the house, drill in the hangers, make the measurements, cut the wood, nail it together, AND carry the wood by yourself. you can do every part of it by yourself, and no one will ever argue with you ever again. when you can say you owned the company, and did every job in the company at least once, like you basically ran the company yourself, and when someone was out, did their job, and made a shit load of money, then you truly, surpass every person ever, and are god :wink:




When I was learning I did all of those things at many points.  Without direction I was nothing.  I knew it, too.  The people who supply the direction and the money are the builders.  Grunts are just that.  Grunts.  Easily replaceable cyphers.



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