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GuruBushHippie
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Until you've seen how hard i've been looking for a nature job don't judge me. Im continuously looking, it's just that most of those places have employees who stay for long periods of time so they dont hire as much. I agree that people are "soft." I wouldnt say I am, I love to work hard indoors or out, but it's just not what i wanna do forever. I'm happy, narly always happy, but that doesnt mean i cant be dissatisfied with my job situation. I've done my share. i went to college, I worked my ass of in backyards, swimming pools, hospitals (i'm a certified phlebotomist), and dish pits to pay it off and still am. It's time i started an actual career, but in order to get to where i can find one (Colorado or Minnesota) i need some money. I'd have no argument if i didnt feel i've given it 100% since i started high school so long ago. Shit happens tho right? I'll get there eventually.
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Why not go back to school Also how much do you think you spend on drugs and alcohol?
That is probably why I am being such an asshole. I had to quit smoking so I could save enough to move, put down a deposit and all the other bull shit in the city I am moving to in September. I just finished my degree in accounting. I can tell you its not some great dream of mine to do office work for the rest of my life but I am really happy I can get a good job just about anywhere in the country.
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Im just sick of school. Ive already spent half of my life in school, not to mention it's just more money to spend. I drink cheap, maybe 30 bucks a week whereabouts. the pot is free I'm happy for ya man, but that's you. I've got a skill set that will always be in high demand, jobs or not and that's wilderness survival and wilderness medicine as well as a good understanding of basic medicine in general. I didnt learn all that for nothing, yeah i would have wanted to know it anyhow in case i ever need to use it but i'm good at it and i love doing it so why wouldnt i make a career out of it?
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you can be sick of being poor or being in school. If you like to help people why not seek out something like physical rehabilitation. I don't think you would have to study long to get something like that and you would feel good helping people heal.
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That's what my pops said actually. it's a thought. i actually think im gonna go abroad. There's a lot more of my kinda "lifestyle" and career choices up north of us. Love the american wilderness, but the canadian side is just as striking. Plus, dual citizenship would be pretty sweet.
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I can understand being sick of school. I am 28 I spent 3 years getting my degree in biology only to realize I wasn't smart enough to make it big in that field so I started over with business school not to mention the two years I spent fucking off in community college first. One thing about school is you feel progress every day and that makes you feel good. And as you know once its over it feels like it flew by.
And yeah Canada is beautiful so is Alaska.
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i can agree with that. the progress is cool. I just dont really care to go another route.I feel like that would decrease my happiness regardless of the salary. i just cant keep myself out of the woods. The backcountry calls too strongly for me to be happy in civilization longer than a full week. Speaking of which, i need to pack for an overnighter. Thanks for the insight, you're a smart guy, you're just not so friendly at first. It's understandable though. there's some real numbskulls on here.
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Really my problem is pot. I have smoked for about ten years and whenever I have to quit like this I have to lock myself inside so I don't kill anyone. Sorry if I took it out on you, you are obviously a nice guy considering how you haven't lashed out on anyone on this thread. Good luck. I also love the out doors I have gone camping my whole life its how I commune with my mothers memory. I love hiking and running and we need people to preserve these parks and reserves we are lucky enough to have. All of these Europeans on here wish they have what we do as far as parks. And most Americans don't even give a shit about them they think the out doors are icky or something.
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no worries dude, totally understandable
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sigma_zero said: people should quit bitching and start working.
people should offer jobs before they accuse others of not working. give me a job, or stop bitching yourself
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There has to be demand for their to be a job. People don't just pull jobs out of their asses unless its a government job. You have to study the market find who is hiring and then do what you can to get those jobs.
You really are living in a dream world if you are mad at people for not giving you a job. you have to work hard in this life, just look at nature.
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imachavel said: people should offer jobs before they accuse others of not working. give me a job, or stop bitching yourself
"people should offer jobs" lolololol. People will offer jobs when it make financial sense for their corporation to do so. Everything else is on YOU, buddy.
If you dont' have a job, its because either (a) you're not looking, or (b) you're unwilling to work the jobs taht you do find [regardless of what you say, you can ALWAYS get employment, because there is ALWAYS fast food. most people jsut considre this unacceptable]
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ok BUDDY
so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.
have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.
I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?
go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.
people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.
ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough?
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I seriously doubt that anybody will miss your efforts if you go on strike
You think an agrarian society circa a few hundred years ago was a peaceful happy existence? Wow.
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imachavel said: ok BUDDY
so I guess when you get the job you don't have to work hard huh? when you end up getting the chef job in the restaurant, I guess whether you work hard or not is your choice, it's not like you would just automatically work hard at a job like that, just to do the basic requirements. you learn something new every day.
have you guys been fed with a silver spoon your whole life? everyone blames everything on obama, bush initiated tarp, let's not forget that.
I think people have become SO spoiled with the conditions of the world today, because of thousands of years of wars and politics, slaves and wealthy land owners, people believe this shit. you want real life?
go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival. I think business owners are lucky that they make the type of money where they can make major decisions with their money, and chose who to hire or not to hire. they have water and electricity, that people work for, so they can be president or ceo of their company, and make major decisions, who gets fired or not back in the day the king would have taken everything. you had no choice. you hired whoever you needed, or the farm didn't get watered, or tilled, and everybody starved. back in the day, everybody had a job, everybody hunted, or everybody starved. people who work make the streets and buildings and electricity and water so that other rich people can do what they want and maintain their company. apparently these rich presidents fuel the economy.
people need to wake up, and look at the reality of things. in nature, if the animals don't work and find new graving pasture, the herbivores all die, and the lions have nothing to feed on. it's not a, one person works while one person makes the decisions type of market. I don't think I'm blind, I think discussing the politics of an economy is pointless if people only look at politics and not reality.
ok, so people hire who they want, and you get a job when you get on huh? let's put it like this, if you don't pay me, I don't build the road. if I don't build the road, nobody goes anywhere, nobody has a job. NOBODY. if Bill Gates or Warren fucking Beatty can't drive to work, their stocks fall. and we all suffer. fair enough? 
I agree with you but who are you directing the first sentence of your comment to?
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zappaisgod said: I seriously doubt that anybody will miss your efforts if you go on strike
You think an agrarian society circa a few hundred years ago was a peaceful happy existence? Wow.
And who are you directing your comment to. If its to imachavel I think you missed his whole point and somehow imagined something else. I don't know.
Actually maybe its because I am sober but both of your posts seem out of place like you two misunderstood someone.
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I was responding to his last paragraph wherein he imagined himself to be some roadbuilder. And this bit of idiocy:
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go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival.
No, everyone didn't stave. Only the lazy fucks did. And it was far from peaceful.
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no but it was 'THE REAL WORLD' instead of 'well if corporations don't want to do this shit dog, then i guess that's just how it is'
the fact is you have millions of slaves who will work for a $1 an hour, but not for free. make it free, and no roads will be built, no schools will be made, no running water will be experienced. and all these fancy imperial corporations will fall like tooth picks, as all empires eventually do. all empires fall. it just takes longer for some then others.
an old society was filled with poverty and war. it was bullshit. but if people didn't farm, everyone starved, it was that simple. you could slave people, and whip them, and make them work for free. but in any free society, if you didn't pay a farmer for his beets, you didn't eat. it was that simple. people seem to think with our complex imperialistic society we have now, that people still don't live on the basic 'food, water, shelter is basic survival, without it you die' rules. but it is still, and always will be, just like that. even if a few greedy corporations make us think otherwise.
the fact is, most people don't think their is anything wrong with a monopoly of a company, because they themselves wish they were that rich, and owned that much, and therefore respect them. the fact is, those people aren't giving you shit, and they never will. respect them all you want, wanting to be in someones shoes doesn't make them right.
and for people saying corporations supply millions of jobs? well sure that is true. until the economy goes bust and they fire millions of people even if they have a surplus of money left. just because of the interest of their own stock, in future matters.
now true, big corporations give millions of jobs. so greed looks, for lack of a better word, good. as gordon gekko said it. but the truth of the matter is, if the world largest bank went out, someone else would create the worlds largest bank. people need banks. if the worlds largest grocery store went down, people would create another grocery store.
it's based on supply and demand, and people telling you otherwise, live in a deluted world thinking a tower of tooth picks won't fall in a hurricane like anyone else. the truth of the matter is if every single person in the world died, the environment would do just fine, in fact, probably better. people are the least economic creatures on the planet, they use so much more then they return. if we all were gone, the ecosystem would move on just fine.
all the people, all the corporations, are all just tooth picks. they can do what they want. but as for the "they don't need to give you sympathy, why should they?" well they don't, and I don't need to give them sympathy either.
if they are really helping people, more power to them. if they aren't, whatever, they do it legal, who is going to stop them. if things are moving and wheels are turning, it's hard to argue. if the world trade center collapses one day, and all their stocks go down the drain, don't ask the people to get to work. I don't want to hear that shit. I've been working my whole life. I don't need to 'get to work' people who tell me that can shut the fuck up.
you work for your money mr. beatty, same as everyone else. your shit goes bad, tough luck. get to work and stop complaing, pfft. I've been working every fucking day since god knows when. I know my place, and mind my business. when everything goes bad. I don't want people telling me what to do. it's your problem, fix it. nuff said
you don't want to pay me, get someone else to do it for you.
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go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival.
No, everyone didn't stave. Only the lazy fucks did. And it was far from peaceful.
yes, just like in africa, only the lazy fucks starve. man, I don't know where or how you grew up, but you've got a lot of learning to do.
and btw I did build roads for a month. it sucked, and wasn't fun. but people still drive on that road, as far as I know. if they don't appreciate it, fine. but when there is no road, don't bitch at me, quit bitching and get to work
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zappaisgod said: I was responding to his last paragraph wherein he imagined himself to be some roadbuilder. And this bit of idiocy:
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go back a few hundred/thousand years, to peace time back in the day. Life was about farming, either everyone worked hard and pitched in to make food and cook and work for the village, or everyone starved. that's real life. real life is survival.
No, everyone didn't stave. Only the lazy fucks did. And it was far from peaceful.
yes, just like in africa, only the lazy fucks starve. man, I don't know where or how you grew up, but you've got a lot of learning to do.
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and btw I did build roads for a month. it sucked, and wasn't fun. but people still drive on that road, as far as I know. if they don't appreciate it, fine. but when there is no road, don't bitch at me, quit bitching and get to work 
You worked on a road crew for a month and think you built the road? "Delusion of grandeur" comes to mind. Were you shovel or flag? Whatever your contribution was, and I suspect it was so inconsequential as to beggar comparisons to dust motes, you most certainly did not build that road any more than the laborer who swept up the homes I built did.
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imachavel said: I don't know where or how you grew up, but you've got a lot of learning to do.
Funny.... some people would say the same for you (and clearly, some would say the same for me).
I think the lesson here is that none of us are as smart as we assume we are.
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