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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
    #14558461 - 06/04/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think bushhippie is referring to the second law of thermodynamics in a closed, or isolated system. I would like to know how one could not abide by the rules of the universe. I'm gonna break its rules I denounce gravity.

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free trade, yes. once a "fee" or some other form of exclusive payment is requred and service or trade excluded i have a problem with it. not everyone has money, but everyone has at least one skill to offer.




I forgot the name of the program, but there is a town on the east coast that is using time as a source of currency. Time being the period that someone performs a service for another. The type of service, is irrelevant, all are equal, just based on amount of time spent working. For example say you went to see a physician for half an hour, you would then owe him a half hour of say painting his house, walking his dog, etc. I don't know how they accounted for the materials necessary for performing the job though.

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Re: Economy [Re: Therian]
    #14558470 - 06/04/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think bushhippie is referring to the second law of thermodynamics in a closed, or isolated system. I would like to know how one could not abide by the rules of the universe. I'm gonna break its rules I denounce gravity.

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free trade, yes. once a "fee" or some other form of exclusive payment is requred and service or trade excluded i have a problem with it. not everyone has money, but everyone has at least one skill to offer.




I forgot the name of the program, but there is a town on the east coast that is using time as a source of currency. Time being the period that someone performs a service for another. The type of service, is irrelevant, all are equal, just based on amount of time spent working. For example say you went to see a physician for half an hour, you would then owe him a half hour of say painting his house, walking his dog, etc. I don't know how they accounted for the materials necessary for performing the job though.



my thoughts exactly, whats so hard about that to some folks? things work out more equally in the end when there's no source of monetary equality to start with.


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Re: Economy [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14558473 - 06/04/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

monetary inequality** i need to go to bed im wasted


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Re: Economy [Re: Therian]
    #14558474 - 06/04/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know how they accounted for the materials necessary for performing the job though.



yeha that system wouldn't work on a widespread basis though.


i'll spend 30min cooking u burgers and u spend 30min doing my taxes, kk?

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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
    #14558481 - 06/04/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know how they accounted for the materials necessary for performing the job though.



yeha that system wouldn't work on a widespread basis though.


i'll spend 30min cooking u burgers and u spend 30min doing my taxes, kk?



how do you know that, we havent tried it as a nation. the people here before andrew jackson fucked them for all they had worked on that basis and it seems they were a lot better off before "we" showed up.


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Re: Economy [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14558488 - 06/04/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know how they accounted for the materials necessary for performing the job though.



yeha that system wouldn't work on a widespread basis though.


i'll spend 30min cooking u burgers and u spend 30min doing my taxes, kk?



how do you know that, we havent tried it as a nation.



how do i know?  because we evolved from a barter system very similar to this one.

currency was developed for a reason, it makes everyones life easier

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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
    #14558504 - 06/04/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ok but look at how much more individual choice one had in those times of trade.


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Re: Economy [Re: GuruBushHippie] * 1
    #14558542 - 06/04/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

nono they had less choice, here's why:


-Say I have a cow.  I can now ONLY trade with people who want a cow.  And from those people, i can ONLY get the items they are willing to trade for a cow.

-If i could sell my cow for cash, I could then buy any item from anyone who was willing to sell it for that value of cash.  Therefore,  my choice is more.





Also, back then people didn't enjoy their "freedom of choice" as you state.  Back then they worked all goddamn day just so they had something to eat.  Living standards were shit and people died young.  Then came the agricultural revolution, and the industrial revolution, and then people started having items to enjoy and food to eat.  Oh wait, but all those things came to exist becuase of "economy"!  Oh noes!

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Re: Economy [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14558934 - 06/04/11 05:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The fact taht you keep using the word "economy" instead of any of the appropriate offshoots of it is just hilarious.



ok, you're right, good call. i mean money. money is useless. it causes more preoblems than it solves. it's all made up just like time if you ask me.




Perhaps that's why no-one asked you.


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Re: Economy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14559347 - 06/04/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

op learn to base your opinions on facts that you can understand and articulate.  Don't just believe what you feel.


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Re: Economy [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14559510 - 06/04/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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my thoughts exactly, whats so hard about that to some folks?




It doesn't function. :lol:


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Re: Economy [Re: sigma_zero]
    #14559523 - 06/04/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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op learn to base your opinions on facts that you can understand and articulate.  Don't just believe what you feel.



But what he "feels" is his "reality" and you can't infringe on his reality just like he can't infringe on your reality.  Duh.  Nobody can impose their reality on his reality because his reality is just his reality and thats all.

money is dumb.










dont u see his point?

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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
    #14559758 - 06/04/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think he may have had his mellowed harshed.  I hope so, anyway.

Nice job meams.


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Re: Economy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14559791 - 06/04/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

damn hippy


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Re: Economy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14559886 - 06/04/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think he may have had his mellowed harshed.



He was pretty drunk last night, if i remember correctly.  I think at one point in a thread in the pub he even politely asked us all not to call him dumb.

lolol.

obviously he has lots of ideas that don't have the ability to be properly reasoned out via a solid knowledgebase

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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
    #14559912 - 06/04/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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obviously he has lots of ideas that don't have the ability to be properly reasoned out via a solid knowledgebase




I don't think I have ever seen it put quite that way before.


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Re: Economy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14560046 - 06/04/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

now that I think about it ---- neither have I.  but it makes perfect sense to me.

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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
    #14560637 - 06/04/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Lol.... Alchohol and the internet.


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Re: Economy [Re: memes]
    #14561241 - 06/04/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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now that I think about it ---- neither have I.  but it makes perfect sense to me.




It makes perfect sense to me, too, and is a beautifully crafted declaration that the subject is an (don't say it or you will be banned)


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Re: Economy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14561281 - 06/04/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:wink:

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