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'Live' Sporting Events?
#14556251 - 06/03/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just finished watching The French Tennis Open. Amazing match between Federer and Djokovic - watch it if you get the chance. Then, of course, I thought how can I create yet another silly PSP topic on this... so here goes:
If you are watching in the stadium, you are seeing the action nanoseconds after it actually happened and hearing it milliseconds after it happened. To see the French Open in the USA, the image must be processed then bounced between several satellites then reprocessed and sent to my TV where it is processed once more, so I may be seeing the image a few hundred thousandths after it actually happened.
If we had a station on Mars, it would be several light seconds. If we beamed this to a hypothetical human habitation on Alpha Centauri, it would be 4.37 years in the past by the time they viewed it. In fact, one of the players could be retired or dead by the time they view the 'live' event.
So what does that truly mean? Just because the info could not get from A to B any sooner, does it still deserve to be called 'live'? I open the floor to discussion.
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Re: 'Live' Sporting Events? [Re: Icelander]
#14556357 - 06/03/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have a feeling that you actually died by the time I read your response.
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Re: 'Live' Sporting Events? [Re: Icelander]
#14556469 - 06/03/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I finished watching that match a little earlier as well, definetely a good one!
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OrgoneConclusion said: If we beamed this to a hypothetical human habitation on Alpha Centauri, it would be 4.37 light years in the past by the time they viewed it.
A light year is a measure of length. It makes no sense to say 4.37 light years in the past.
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Re: 'Live' Sporting Events? [Re: 1983]
#14557855 - 06/03/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You, of course, are correct. Care to tackle the thrust of the topic?
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I think you are a nitpicker. 
But yes, the tennis was great. My favourite sport to watch on TV, watching their movements brings me great wonderment.
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Re: 'Live' Sporting Events? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14558016 - 06/03/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is not about tennis nor about nits; it is about Einsteinian frames of reference. Thought some of youse would get that.
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I get where you were going but don't have much of a comment, other then the match was fantastic. One thing I will say is I believe nothing is live while everything is live at the same time; it all depends on how you want to look at it. From my point of view the only things that are happening live are those things that happen from my point of singularity, those things that I am actually interacting with at that moment in time. Other than that it is merely observation and response.
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Factor in the delay between the photons hitting your receptors and your brain actually processing what it's seeing, and you might as well just say fuck it and accept that we are always lagging behind.
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I subjectively feel things as 'live' as long I think I could have influence on them... Physically, nothing seems to be connected 'live' or 'simultaneous'...
Change and 'time' are synonymous. Real weird that our brains can make sense out of that
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OrgoneConclusion said: This is not about tennis nor about nits; it is about Einsteinian frames of reference. Thought some of youse would get that.
You are just pissed because you don't have a faster connection. Well that and you suck at tennis. That's what I think. Youse indeed.
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OrgoneConclusion said: So what does that truly mean? Just because the info could not get from A to B any sooner, does it still deserve to be called 'live'? I open the floor to discussion.
live: at the actual time of occurrence : during, from, or at a live production <the program was broadcast live>
I don't see what's supposed to be so perplexing about this concept..obviously, information doesn't travel instantaneously, but this is taken for granted when people use the term 'live'. Live music, for example, isn't transmitted from the stage amplifiers to my ears instantaneously, but it is still live music; live TV, for example, isn't transmitted from a TV camera to my TV instantaneously, but it is still live TV. I suppose a more accurate definition than "at the actual time of occurrence" would be "basically at the actual time of occurrence".
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Re: 'Live' Sporting Events? [Re: Poid]
#14559049 - 06/04/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Poid said: I don't see what's supposed to be so perplexing about this concept..obviously, information doesn't travel instantaneously, but this is taken for granted when people use the term 'live'.
The more you look into the experience of life the more you realize just how many things are "taken for granted". it's a bit terrifying, then depressing, and hopefully liberating at some point.
@ OC Was it like this?
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Re: 'Live' Sporting Events? [Re: Poid]
#14559662 - 06/04/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So astronomers are witnessing the birth of several billion year old galaxies 'live'?
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Well if the light from an explosion took a billion years to reach your eye you are seeing it as it first happened. It would have to be at least considered live-ly due to the fact that in real time the explosion is gone. Except on the spiritual plane where it lives on as a reincarnated fart.
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Re: 'Live' Sporting Events? [Re: Icelander]
#14559966 - 06/04/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well if the light from an explosion took a billion years to reach your eye
I wish glaxies were more considerate. I hate waiting!
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OrgoneConclusion said: So astronomers are witnessing the birth of several billion year old galaxies 'live'?
I could buy that interpretation.
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Re: 'Live' Sporting Events? [Re: DieCommie]
#14559984 - 06/04/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What about sub-space transmissions?
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