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#14555726 - 06/03/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cop cites buckled-up 10-year-old for improper seat belt use Associated Press June 3, 2011, 2:10PM
AUSTIN — A "scared" 10-year-old Central Texas boy who stuck his head out the passenger's seat window to get some fresh air says he was ticketed by police for improper seat belt usage after it slipped off.
Marshall May, a fourth-grader at Jim Plain Elementary School in Leander, just north of Austin, was on his way home in a minivan when he stuck his head out the window and his seat belt slipped, he said.
A Leander police officer pulled over the van that Marshall's 19-year-old aunt, Ashley Arredondo, was driving and gave the boy a ticket after a brief discussion Tuesday.
"He said: 'You were wearing your seat belt incorrectly. Sorry, but click it or ticket,'" Marshall said.
Apparently the child wasn't properly wearing the belt because it wasn't covering the top of his chest, said Marshall's stepmother, Kristy May.
But Texas law states that the adult in the car is at fault when a child isn't properly secured by a seat belt. Marshall's aunt, however, was not ticketed.
Interim Leander City Manager Robert Powers told the Austin American-Statesman that the police officer just made a mistake but "it wasn't anything egregious or malicious."
The Police Department has taken procedural steps that may lead to the ticket's dismissal but the municipal court must decide whether to actually dismiss it, Powers said.
"I was really scared," Marshall said Thursday of the police stop. "He made me sign my signature, but I don't have a signature because I'm 10 years old."
The boy printed his full name instead.
"I thought it was a joke until I saw the actual ticket," said Marshall's father, Gabriel May. "I think they should drop it."
Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bizarre/7594159.html#ixzz1OFQwQ0Q5
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Lol this is ridiculous and hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
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Firstly, seat belts don't "slip." The child had to deliberately duck under the shoulder strap to get his head out of the window.
Secondly, the policeman has a point in that the child could have been seriously injured if the car had encountered an accident under those circumstances (e.g. broken hip bones, various injuries from whiplash, etc.). And there's something to be said about teaching the child responsibility by giving him the ticket.
It is a pretty ludicrous ticket though. The child is 10 years old. A warning wouldn't have sufficed for this hardened law breaker?
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: ifoundwaldo] 1
#14555834 - 06/03/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ifoundwaldo said: Firstly, seat belts don't "slip." The child had to deliberately duck under the shoulder strap to get his head out of the window.
Secondly, the policeman has a point in that the child could have been seriously injured if the car had encountered an accident under those circumstances (e.g. broken hip bones, various injuries from whiplash, etc.). And there's something to be said about teaching the child responsibility by giving him the ticket.
It is a pretty ludicrous ticket though. The child is 10 years old. A warning wouldn't have sufficed for this hardened law breaker?
I certainly get your point about it being dangerous and definitely feel that the cop should have just spoken with the kid or give him a warning. I definitely think it's over the top though
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: ifoundwaldo] 1
#14555840 - 06/03/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Omg banhammer that little kid! Like wtf, how can a cop be so dumb that he tickets the kid himself? Parents or the responsible adult are always supposed to be the ones responsible up to a certain age. That whole police department just went *facepalm*
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Well that kid broke the law and got ticketed. It is a glorious day for law enforcement. Another dirty criminal brought to justice.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Tangerines] 1
#14555883 - 06/03/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Power crazy asshole.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: ifoundwaldo] 1
#14555899 - 06/03/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ifoundwaldo said: Firstly, seat belts don't "slip." The child had to deliberately duck under the shoulder strap to get his head out of the window.
Secondly, the policeman has a point in that the child could have been seriously injured if the car had encountered an accident under those circumstances (e.g. broken hip bones, various injuries from whiplash, etc.). And there's something to be said about teaching the child responsibility by giving him the ticket.
It is a pretty ludicrous ticket though. The child is 10 years old. A warning wouldn't have sufficed for this hardened law breaker?
I see it like this, the ticket serves as a serious warning, when the kid gets to court they'll probably dismiss the ticket but it gives the kid an idea the pain in the ass court appearances are
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Tangerines] 1
#14555903 - 06/03/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tangerines said: Well that kid broke the law and got ticketed. It is a glorious day for law enforcement. Another dirty criminal brought to justice. 
Will that really be enough to make him repent his wicked ways? They should atleast -consider- a short prison sentence, probation, and community service. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: runepanther] 1
#14555918 - 06/03/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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runepanther said: Omg banhammer that little kid! Like wtf, how can a cop be so dumb that he tickets the kid himself? Parents or the responsible adult are always supposed to be the ones responsible up to a certain age. That whole police department just went *facepalm*
who's going to drive when an adult has to sit in the back seat the whole time to make sure the kids dont get out of the seat belts, should the responsible adult be looking in the mirror the whole time, well that becomes a serious safety problem for other motorists. I'm ing at the way people are blowing a seat belt ticket to a kid out of the water, if my kid got the ticket, he'd be working to pay the fine and he's only 7
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: twighead] 2
#14555921 - 06/03/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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True there should be some minimum sentence for seat belt violations. That'll teach 'em.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Tangerines] 1
#14555955 - 06/03/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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and if that kid got into an accident while he was fucking around in back what do you think would have happened then? Maybe the cop earlier that week saw a kid die bc he was fucking around in the back while the driver got into an accident
There are plenty of stupid laws out there seat belt and general safety traffic laws aren't the ones you should be bitching about.
If you want to play the fascism card go patriot act or some thing.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: trekie] 1
#14556005 - 06/03/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyone who has kids or has spend a lot of time around them will realize that they are sneaky as hell and try and get away with whatever they can.
trying to keep a 3-5 year old to sit properly in there car seat is(with most kids) impossible for rides longer than 5min.
A 10 year old should know to sit and behave in the car, but they don't. I do recognize the lesson learned for this kid will better him but it seams rather harsh. none the less, it'll more than likely be dropped and everyone will I've happily ever after.... until next time.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: trekie] 1
#14556009 - 06/03/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trekie - Seatbelt laws are non-violent crime statutes. These are *precisely* the sorts of things people should concern themselves with.
How can anyone legitimately have the authority to tell you to place a seatbelt on your body considering that the seatbelt and the god damned car both belong to you, or a party that's consented your use of the items.
Ridiculous. More arbitrary statutes.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Humility] 1
#14556033 - 06/03/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well a child should wear a seatbelt and if there family is to ignorant too do it for them some one has too. 
Its not like people being to lazy to wear a seatbelt has consequence for many people involved.
The city is going to have to pay some one to scrape your broken ass of the pavement because of your irresponsibility . What if that accident is with a different car that other person has to live with the guilt they killed someone.
Not to mention all the people who care about you and all that shit.
If you want to be stupid and kill yourself there are way to do it that dont involve others .
I have a son and when I do get to see him I make sure he is blucked up but I lay down the law cause I acutely give a fuck
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Tangerines] 1
#14556079 - 06/03/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well a child should wear a seatbelt and if there family is to ignorant too do it for them some one has too. 
Assumption 1: A child has to wear a seatbelt/ought to wear a seat belt
Assumption 2: if a seatbelt isn't being worn there MUST be someone with a gun to ENFORCE this seatbelt wearing.
I see where your logic fails. Do you?
You're espousing your opinion and you're so confused that you're willing to back it up with violence and force against people who don't want to listen to you. Is that fair? Is that just?
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The city is going to have to pay some one to scrape your broken ass of the pavement because of your irresponsibility . What if that accident is with a different car that other person has to live with the guilt they killed someone.
So you support sticking a gun in someone's face because of perceived risks? Your argument is that if one dies, the remaining body must be removed from the area; so one's living will ought be restricted to reduce the possibility that dead bodies will accumulate in the streets? I'd imagine people won't want to die readily and so *most* people would wear their seatbelts anyway.
Do seatbelt laws so encourage people to wear seatbelts that they place them on for that very reason? What do you think? Statistics show that laws do not deter against crime, even when you threaten to chop people's heads off for non-violent crimes those behaviors and actions are still executed.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Humility] 1
#14556103 - 06/03/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whoah, I guess I missed the part where the policeman stuck a gun in the kids face
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Humility] 1
#14556134 - 06/03/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Humility said: Trekie - Seatbelt laws are non-violent crime statutes. These are *precisely* the sorts of things people should concern themselves with.
burglary, petty theft, shoplifting, fraud... all are non violent crime statutes, these too are laws that should be abolished, right?
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Humility] 1
#14556151 - 06/03/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well a child should wear a seatbelt and if there family is to ignorant too do it for them some one has too. 
Assumption 1: A child has to wear a seatbelt/ought to wear a seat belt
the law says the kid has to wear a seat belt
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Assumption 2: if a seatbelt isn't being worn there MUST be someone with a gun to ENFORCE this seatbelt wearing.
was the kid dragged from the car and shot in the back, why bother to mention the gun with enforcement when in fact it's the state that vested powers to the cop to enforce the law, the gun has neither the ability to make a police officer nor can it be a police officer. I have a gun, can I run around and enforce seat belt laws?
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do you see where your logic fails? I do.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#14556267 - 06/03/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought i was very anti authoritarian until i read some of you peoples fucking idiotic arguments. But the cop should have given his aunt the ticket so she could have just smacked him.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: stuntmanmike]
#14556500 - 06/03/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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stuntmanmike said: I thought i was very anti authoritarian until i read some of you peoples fucking idiotic arguments. But the cop should have given his aunt the ticket so she could have just smacked him.
The girl had already demonstrated an inability to discipline the boy and keep him in his seat. The officer is supposed to trust her with doling out punishment?
Also, he could have been cutting the girl a break since a ticket would actually be a lot more detrimental to her.
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14556515 - 06/03/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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stuntmanmike said: I thought i was very anti authoritarian until i read some of you peoples fucking idiotic arguments. But the cop should have given his aunt the ticket so she could have just smacked him.
The girl had already demonstrated an inability to discipline the boy and keep him in his seat. The officer is supposed to trust her with doling out punishment?
Also, he could have been cutting the girl a break since a ticket would actually be a lot more detrimental to her.
good point maybe the cop should have just smacked him nah that would be a little to far i guess. i see nothing wrong with giving the kid a ticket
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14556548 - 06/03/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ifoundwaldo said: The girl had already demonstrated an inability to discipline the boy and keep him in his seat. The officer is supposed to trust her with doling out punishment?
you're right, the cop should have given her the citation and taken the kid and placed him in the care of children's services, she obviously has endangered that child by not having eyes in the back of her head in order to know what he was doing every minute of the trip
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Prisoner#1]
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technically the ticket should have went to the guardian. but like said above its hard to control kids and drive at the same time quite dangerous too. and what if it never gets paid does that mean they will issue a warrant for the kid..lol see how stupid this whole thing is fuck the police!
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14556611 - 06/03/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Humility said: Trekie - Seatbelt laws are non-violent crime statutes. These are *precisely* the sorts of things people should concern themselves with.
burglary, petty theft, shoplifting, fraud... all are non violent crime statutes, these too are laws that should be abolished, right?
Those are crimes against others. They should be punished.
Seat belts should be a choice. I prefer to wear mine at all times and won't let anyone ride with me without one in case of an accident, but another driver not wearing his does nothing to me at all.
It's a law to generate revenue AND keep retards safe. I don't like it even if it keeps people safe because it is a stupid law. What if we all have to wear helmets when we leave the house next?
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Kada]
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Humility said: Trekie - Seatbelt laws are non-violent crime statutes. These are *precisely* the sorts of things people should concern themselves with.
burglary, petty theft, shoplifting, fraud... all are non violent crime statutes, these too are laws that should be abolished, right?
Those are crimes against others. They should be punished.
well now we're gonna nit pick
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Seat belts should be a choice. I prefer to wear mine at all times and won't let anyone ride with me without one in case of an accident, but another driver not wearing his does nothing to me at all.
so wait, you strip the choice from others by not letting then ride with you if they dont wear one yet you say it should be their choice
I understand the reasoning behind seat belt laws, it saves money for insurance companies and hospitals, it generates revenue for the state and I too believe it should be a choice for those old enough to understand the potential consequences in the case of a collision, children do not but then I also understand that it doesnt matter what I believe, what matters is that the law states I have to wear a seat belt as do the passengers in my vehicle so I have two choices, everyone buckles up or they dont, with the latter there are risks, the least of which is fines
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It's a law to generate revenue AND keep retards safe. I don't like it even if it keeps people safe because it is a stupid law. What if we all have to wear helmets when we leave the house next?
I've been pushing for helmet laws for pedestrians for years, I mean think about it, some guy checking out a tight ass could run into a pole and get a bump on his head leading to many embarrassing questions for a couple of days or they could be run over by a city bus and that helmet could save their life... tens of thousands of pedestrians die in traffic involved accidents each year, only around 800 bicyclists die each year while riding and most cyclists are required to wear helmets but pedestrians are not
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Re: cop gives 10 year old ticket [Re: Prisoner#1]
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so wait, you strip the choice from others by not letting then ride with you if they dont wear one yet you say it should be their choice
Permitting someone to ride in YOUR car is YOUR right.
Running around shoving a gun in someone's face inside of THEIR car because they aren't wearing THEIR seatbelt is violence.
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