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OfflineNetDiver
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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14555312 - 06/03/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Eating meat is not really necessary, since all the nutrients we need can be gained from other sources. Being vegetarian is less expensive, healthier (if done properly), better for the environment, and less cruel. All the arguments against it in this thread are seriously weak. :shrug:

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Re: living in the moment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14555681 - 06/03/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Very well put!

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Re: living in the moment [Re: NetDiver]
    #14555690 - 06/03/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, the other 90% of our brains are clogged with curds and whey. LOL

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Re: living in the moment [Re: NetDiver]
    #14555814 - 06/03/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
Eating meat is not really necessary, since all the nutrients we need can be gained from other sources. Being vegetarian is less expensive, healthier (if done properly), better for the environment, and less cruel. All the arguments against it in this thread are seriously weak. :shrug:




yes. the only thing eating animal flesh facilitates is that u get all the B vitamins at once.
but meat can be easily replaced by nutritional yeast, which is healthy and delicious.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14555838 - 06/03/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I like how this thread turned into a vegetarian circle jerk!

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Re: living in the moment [Re: thedream]
    #14555995 - 06/03/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's fucked up we have to kill the vegetables though.  Rip them out of the ground, chew them up, and shit 'em out.  The whole process of living and surviving seems kind of evil and cruel to me.  It's all predicated on killing something to survive and using resources from those too weak or dumb to get them for themselves.  Life is a brutally, cruel business and drugs help us to forget that - although they can also facefuck with the facts.  Either way, its a bitch.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: joemolloy]
    #14556212 - 06/03/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
It's fucked up we have to kill the vegetables though.  Rip them out of the ground, chew them up, and shit 'em out.  The whole process of living and surviving seems kind of evil and cruel to me.  It's all predicated on killing something to survive and using resources from those too weak or dumb to get them for themselves.  Life is a brutally, cruel business and drugs help us to forget that - although they can also facefuck with the facts.  Either way, its a bitch.




Yep.  It's just the way life works, for one animal to survive it's got to eat another (or a plant).  I do feel bad for the animals that died a horrible death that I end up eating, but I eat them anyway because MEAT TASTES GOOD.  I can't help it

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Re: living in the moment [Re: joemolloy]
    #14556712 - 06/03/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
It's fucked up we have to kill the vegetables though.  Rip them out of the ground, chew them up, and shit 'em out.  The whole process of living and surviving seems kind of evil and cruel to me.  It's all predicated on killing something to survive and using resources from those too weak or dumb to get them for themselves.  Life is a brutally, cruel business and drugs help us to forget that - although they can also facefuck with the facts.  Either way, its a bitch.




I agree with u, the material world is full of misery.
there's a reason why gluttony is a sin.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14556747 - 06/03/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you mentioning that animals are not for humans to eat think of this

bears that eat the salmon in the stream will know when the stream is over fished.. they will migrate somewhere with better fishing

the humble earth than replaces the stream with more salmon than there was before..


i believe we are meet eaters.. but fresh meat hunted in the wild is different than the hormones and steroids they put in the meats today

i still enjoy a great juicy burger tho :yesnod:


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Re: living in the moment *DELETED* [Re: gopi]
    #14556975 - 06/03/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: living in the moment [Re: NetDiver]
    #14557246 - 06/03/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
Eating meat is not really necessary, since all the nutrients we need can be gained from other sources. Being vegetarian is less expensive, healthier (if done properly), better for the environment, and less cruel. All the arguments against it in this thread are seriously weak. :shrug:




Arguments against it? ffs, get off our nuts, nobody's trying to force you to eat meat. Some people like the taste and texture of meat. Eating meat is natural, if anything it's vegetarians going against nature, not omnivores. If I can get my nutrients from meat, and enjoy it, why the hell would I go searching for vegetarian alternatives?

Also, I realize this is just anecdotal, but I feel I should throw this out there.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: HowNowBrownCow]
    #14557331 - 06/03/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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the human abstract said:
you mentioning that animals are not for humans to eat think of this

bears that eat the salmon in the stream will know when the stream is over fished.. they will migrate somewhere with better fishing

the humble earth than replaces the stream with more salmon than there was before..


i believe we are meet eaters.. but fresh meat hunted in the wild is different than the hormones and steroids they put in the meats today

i still enjoy a great juicy burger tho :yesnod:




we are different than bears, lions, and other carnivorous animals, though.
humans have the digestive track of a herbivorous animal. humans would die eating only meat since it has 0 fiber.

have u ever seen a bird, instinctively wanted to catch it, and sink ur teeth in? if so, ur father may very well be a cat.


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Hi gopi,
To follow up on your question, I do believe in karma, but it obeys a different kind of law. I believe that the soul's purpose is to learn how to become a better entity. To learn knowledge and love, the more you learn, the closer you are to reaching some form of enlightenment or becoming one with God at the end of the journey. All the lives the soul experiences via reincarnation is the journey to achieve said purpose. Karma plays a role in which if the soul completes a step closer to the goal, it will return in the next life as stronger/more advanced soul with the knowledge and love carried over. If the soul does bad deeds in life, it will return the next life with debts to pay, some form limitation/punishment that soul will be challenged to overcome to make itself worthy of advancing again. I suppose the soul could eventually become an animal once again if it is consistently on a regression trend, as the Hindus believe. Once the soul has reached the end, it continues to live infinitely in absolute bliss.

These beliefs are very similar to those discussed by a psychiatrist/author by the name of Brian Weiss and are supported by intriguing and astounding scientific evidence (if true). But nevertheless, if you like reading a good book about this type of subject, I highly recommend him. Start with "Many Lives, Many Masters".

Now I am in no way saying that your belief is wrong and mine is right. In fact, I'm not sure if mine is right either. I respect your views and it is fun to discuss.




having a human body is a rare and great opportunity that cannot be misused. 

the material world merely exists for fallen souls to try to indulge without God in the center, that's when everyone becomes selfish.
an honest attempt of righteousness does not involve taking advantage of the weak or defenseless.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14557576 - 06/03/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.

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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14557800 - 06/03/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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gopi said:
Quote:

the human abstract said:

are you going to trip again?




I plan on taking .5grams or 1gram max for a show coming up to wake up my awareness of my animal state.
but like u said, tripping just fucks u up. it's a way of escaping the daily routine.

after this trip I realized that saying "tripping shows u the truth" is complete bull. the truth is revealed in our sober state.
people who put drugs on a pedestal instead of God are unappreciative of the potential, sober happiness and bliss of the soul, who is spread throughout the living body.

what we need to realize is what makes us happy now, and for eternity. no temporary happiness type stuff allowed.





I think its important to see from both sides, why are you so sure sobriety is key for everyone.

Maybe sobriety is for you, I just know I have little control over my own life and I believe it is best to make the most of what helps you better understand what were doing here.

Maybe im just more thoughtful and open.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14557810 - 06/03/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.




Thats cool my Dr is a Dr and he never has any problems with me consuming meat.

Man PETA has really made a mess.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Onox]
    #14558513 - 06/04/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Onox said:
Arguments against it? ffs, get off our nuts, nobody's trying to force you to eat meat. Some people like the taste and texture of meat. Eating meat is natural, if anything it's vegetarians going against nature, not omnivores. If I can get my nutrients from meat, and enjoy it, why the hell would I go searching for vegetarian alternatives?

Also, I realize this is just anecdotal, but I feel I should throw this out there.



Your anger is misplaced; I'm not a preachy vegetarian, but if people are tossing out weak arguments against it (like in this thread) then I'll respond. People get so defensive about meat eating, I don't really get it. :shrug:

I like the taste of meat too. But I just don't think that liking the taste of an animal's flesh justifies slaughtering it. "It's natural" isn't even close to an argument. We naturally evolved rationality, empathy, and the ability to choose vegetarianism too.

Why would you go searching for vegetarian alternatives? You might if you cared about the environment and the suffering of other creatures. If you don't, that's cool, it's a personal choice, and I don't go around preaching about it unless someone else starts the discussion. Just don't try to pretend like you're superior. I'm certainly not. I'm just stating facts.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: NetDiver]
    #14558716 - 06/04/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

fuck yeah im with you op

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Re: living in the moment [Re: chrisdellinges]
    #14558757 - 06/04/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hmm, OP i was raised Hare Krishna, parents didnt push it or anything though, i know very little about it in fact

i have always thought about krishna consciousness in relations to the psychedelic experience.... if you wanna reply or inbox me your thoughts on the whole thing that would be nice

i have found myself a very open minded person because of the wacky stories Hare Krishnas have so im overall thankful for that... but i think all ideaologys are currupt and misleading on some level

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Re: living in the moment [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14558826 - 06/04/11 03:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ChronicSmoke said:

I think its important to see from both sides, why are you so sure sobriety is key for everyone.

Maybe sobriety is for you, I just know I have little control over my own life and I believe it is best to make the most of what helps you better understand what were doing here.

Maybe im just more thoughtful and open.




true. not long ago I used to smoke maryjane daily and drink on ocassion, but decided never to do so again. I will stil thoughl, on special ocassion, ingest stuff with maryjane and shrooms too.

the thing is, in our philosophy there are foods in the mode of goodness, passion, and ignorance.

fattening (in a good way) foods such as curd, avocadoes, grains etc mode of goodness.

caffeine, onions, garlics, shrooms etc mode of passion and ignorance.

God gave us free will for a reason, if he cant control peoples decisions, I certainly cannot. all I do is set a good example.

oh, and im definitely not a vegetarian because of PETA.
why are u against an organization that is against curelty?? o.o


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Wooden Spoon]
    #14558838 - 06/04/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Wooden Spoon said:
hmm, OP i was raised Hare Krishna, parents didnt push it or anything though, i know very little about it in fact

i have always thought about krishna consciousness in relations to the psychedelic experience.... if you wanna reply or inbox me your thoughts on the whole thing that would be nice

i have found myself a very open minded person because of the wacky stories Hare Krishnas have so im overall thankful for that... but i think all ideaologys are currupt and misleading on some level




interesting. :smile:
well, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktiventa Swami Prabhupada did not accept drugs for those who were in the search of truth. for mainly two reasons, our sober state is best for learning, understanding, and remembering the teachings he translated from Sanskrit to English for us. and because he didnt want ISKCON to be seen as a society for homeless druggies and hippies to join together.
I like to trip on very special ocassion coz it is entertaining, but since our beliefs are what the trip has to stand on, I think it's important to have the intention to want to understand why we are here, now, and in this body, and with all this around us.
I certainly was thinking about my body, looked all around and felt trapped. I realized how negative of a person was. everywhere I looked had traces of negativeor positive energy. looking in my fridge was intense. looking at a certain photo of Lord Nrsinmhadeva just made so much sense!

http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z432/gopitah/664bc062.jpg

this one too

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Balabhadra_Subhadra_Jagannath.jpg


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