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Anyone Religious Here?
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I'm agnostic and a lost soul I think. I'd really like to join a religion. I was confirmed a Catholic but I've lost faith over the years as I think the country has become somewhat out of touch with the actual religion. All "Catholics" and some Christians are having pre-marital sex, getting drunk, gambling, and really just not following the religion. I mean, Jesus Christ is still one of the biggest influences in my life, and I try to live as best I can according to him, but I just can't follow that religion anymore.
Does anyone have any tips? Should I talk to a priest?
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fuck organized religions and become a spiritual being
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: android313]
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android313 said: I'm agnostic and a lost soul I think. I'd really like to join a religion. I was confirmed a Catholic but I've lost faith over the years as I think the country has become somewhat out of touch with the actual religion. All "Catholics" and some Christians are having pre-marital sex, getting drunk, gambling, and really just not following the religion. I mean, Jesus Christ is still one of the biggest influences in my life, and I try to live as best I can according to him, but I just can't follow that religion anymore.
Does anyone have any tips? Should I talk to a priest?
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: android313]
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: twighead]
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I think I will attend Mass this Sunday and see if it helps. I don't know. I'm just going through one of those confusing times in my life right now.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: android313]
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android313 said: I think I will attend Mass this Sunday and see if it helps.
if it helps what?
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Sci-Fi]
#14553231 - 06/02/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am at peace after finding dudism and pastafarinism. They make sense to me and the charts with pirate ratios to global warming really sold me.
I can't help but doubt any religion that tells me bad things will happen to me if I don't give them money or pray to some wizard.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Sci-Fi]
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religion is all what you make it..
healthy personal life needs faith.. thought and reality are tangled up
if religion is evil do you think people would find salvation in it?
only the people without faith.
personally i think religion is beautiful but equally is thought
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: fuck organized religions and become a spiritual being
THIS.
I went through this, sort of. Alot of people frown on independent spirituality, but I like to think of it this way: Your God understands you a shit ton more than anyone else, so I'm pretty sure he'd be cool with you worshiping in a way that you find best.
There's no way any ONE religion has it right.
Man is corrupt. Until I find the original scriptures, translate them myself, AND have Jesus come down and tell me I'm doing it right, I don't trust any religion.
I tend not to worry about it too much anymore anyway.
I was never asked if I wanted to be created, therefore I feel that I shouldn't have to live up to any standards or fear punishment in the afterlife. I believe that God understands this.
When I say God I usually think of the Biblical Christian God, just out of habit, but God is different to each of us.
And it helps that I because of those reasons, I don't believe in hell. Shit, if He Loves me half as much as my family does, there's no way he'd let me suffer for eternity.
Punishment is a leash created by man to chain others down.
The "good" fear just as much as anyone, so they try to bring everyone to their level.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: twighead]
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I am a gnostic Christian (not to be confused with agnostic). It is the original version of Jesus' teachings. Much of its scripture was discovered in 1940's in Nag Hammadi, Egypt and dates before mark, matthew, luke, and john. It makes much more sense of the world, Jesus, God, and the purpose of life because it is closer to the truth.
I would recommend reading Ptolomy's Letter to Flora, The Gospel of Thomas, and Thunder Perfect Mind. They give the best sense of what the gnostics believed. Gnosticism means "knowledge through experience", which is different that factual knowledge. I may know your name, your address, what school you go to, etc... but until I have walked and talked and experienced you I do not really know you. Gnostics believe that you have to experience Jesus, such as helping others and being kind to all you meet, to experience suffering in life as Jesus did. Otherwise you only call yourself a follower of Jesus.
Lots of core beliefs are different from conventional Christianity such as there is no firey Hell, but rather Hell is on earth, and ppl are reincarnated into new bodies that are fitting for their actions in the previous life (karma). Unless the person finds Jesus they cannot break the cycle of death. But gnostics also believe that every soul will eventually find a life that is helped along to a knowledge of Jesus.
I'll answer any questions you may have about it all.
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#14553267 - 06/02/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i am a devout pastafarian.
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argg said: I can't help but doubt any religion that tells me bad things will happen to me if I don't give them money or pray to some wizard.
Holy shit, that's so fucked up, but I had to laugh.
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the human abstract said: religion is all what you make it..
healthy personal life needs faith.. thought and reality are tangled up
if religion is evil do you think people would find salvation in it?
only the people without faith.
personally i think religion is beautiful but equally is thought 
Faith and religion are two completely different concepts.
I have oodles of faith, but religion, I have little.
I have my BELIEFS. I have FAITH in those BELIEFS. I encourage others to THINK and FEEL as they wish. If that happens to be like me, or inspired by me, I'm humbled by it.
But I would never, ever try to start a group based off of it.
Religion, like everything else, is an excuse for prejudice and war.
I don't give a fuck what you believe, and I don't think you should give a fuck what I believe. I won't judge anyone by it, so how dare they judge me?
In some aspects it is beautiful, but always remember that it can be as ugly as anything else aswell.
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Buckeye Oysters said: I am a gnostic Christian (not to be confused with agnostic). It is the original version of Jesus' teachings. Much of its scripture was discovered in 1940's in Nag Hammadi, Egypt and dates before mark, matthew, luke, and john. It makes much more sense of the world, Jesus, God, and the purpose of life because it is closer to the truth.
I would recommend reading Ptolomy's Letter to Flora, The Gospel of Thomas, and Thunder Perfect Mind. They give the best sense of what the gnostics believed. Gnosticism means "knowledge through experience", which is different that factual knowledge. I may know your name, your address, what school you go to, etc... but until I have walked and talked and experienced you I do not really know you. Gnostics believe that you have to experience Jesus, such as helping others and being kind to all you meet, to experience suffering in life as Jesus did. Otherwise you only call yourself a follower of Jesus.
Lots of core beliefs are different from conventional Christianity such as there is no firey Hell, but rather Hell is on earth, and ppl are reincarnated into new bodies that are fitting for their actions in the previous life (karma). Unless the person finds Jesus they cannot break the cycle of death. But gnostics also believe that every soul will eventually find a life that is helped along to a knowledge of Jesus.
I'll answer any questions you may have about it all.
This sounds really interesting, and I had some thoughts about this.
I think I'm going to save those titles for a rainy day, sounds like a good read.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Shroom_i]
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even if you are 100% no God certain you STILL have made the choice just as much as the person that has made the choice to 100% to believe.
7 levels of belief
1.00: Strong theist. 100 percent possibility of God. In the words of C.G. Jung, 'I do not believe, I know.'
2.00: Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. De facto theist. 'I cannot know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there
3.00: Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. Technically agnostic but leaning towards theism. 'I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.'
4.00: Exactly 50 per cent. Completely impartial agnostic. 'God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable.'
5.00: Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. Technically agnostic but leaning towards atheism. 'I don't know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be sceptical.'
6.00: Very low probability, but short of zero. De facto atheist. 'I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.'
7:00: Strong atheist. 'I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung 'knows' there is one.'
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religion has no effect inherently in and of itself. you give power to it through your own personal belief system but any effects ultimately come from your own self
nothing external can give you any answers . only the self
return to your self
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Envix]
#14553405 - 06/02/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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thats why i worship power of thought more than anything..
its all interpretation
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the word God or YHWH actually translates to "I AM"
and since your existence is the only thing you can know for certain exists...
breathe and speak the words I AM. that's all you need do to realize the self
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Envix]
#14553441 - 06/02/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What's the self?
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Envix]
#14553473 - 06/02/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Envix said: the word God or YHWH actually translates to "I AM"
and since your existence is the only thing you can know for certain exists...
breathe and speak the words I AM. that's all you need do to realize the self
what if im just in a dream tho?
i had a dream that i was a dog and a black man before, but i woke up and decided it wasnt real
what if one day i just woke up and was someone else?
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who is the dreamer
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Viveka]
#14553503 - 06/02/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pick your fairy tale.
I asked myself why do I exist one time then answered it by watching the sun rise.
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next time try doing it on the roof and with dmt
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Envix]
#14553547 - 06/02/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Envix said: who is the dreamer
who is the religious?
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the human abstract said: organized religion a lot of times isnt bad.
lulz? I really can't tell if you are serous or not.
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the human abstract said: even if you are 100% no God certain you STILL have made the choice just as much as the person that has made the choice to 100% to believe.
7 levels of belief
1.00: Strong theist. 100 percent possibility of God. In the words of C.G. Jung, 'I do not believe, I know.'
2.00: Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. De facto theist. 'I cannot know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there
3.00: Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. Technically agnostic but leaning towards theism. 'I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.'
4.00: Exactly 50 per cent. Completely impartial agnostic. 'God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable.'
5.00: Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. Technically agnostic but leaning towards atheism. 'I don't know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be sceptical.'
6.00: Very low probability, but short of zero. De facto atheist. 'I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.'
7:00: Strong atheist. 'I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung 'knows' there is one.'
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Enthrall]
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its more of a philosophy but many think of it as religious
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the human abstract said: organized religion a lot of times isnt bad.


Don't forget about the black panthers...
Oh yeah and crazy westboro baptist church...
and justin beiber fans...
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: argg]
#14553594 - 06/02/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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the human abstract said: organized religion a lot of times isnt bad.
lulz? I really can't tell if you are serous or not.
if you look at anything in a negative way its going to be negative
thats how i think of everything
church is about the community a lot.. if your child dies guess who will be there for you besides family? your church
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the human abstract said: organized religion a lot of times isnt bad.
lulz? I really can't tell if you are serous or not.
if you look at anything in a negative way its going to be negative
thats how i think of everything
church is about the community a lot.. if your child dies guess who will be there for you besides family? your church
Not if the kid is Jehovah and needs a blood transfusion.
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There surely are great people in the church. There surely are great atheists.
No one is going to get it right, it's all about a happy medium.
When I think of organized religion, I think of the whacko nutjobs that go crazy with it.
IMHO that = BADDDD.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Shroom_i]
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when i think of niggers i think of martin king
see what im saying here?
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I just read the books and thought I want nothing to do with that much hate.
If anyone has any good suggestions for non hate based or hateful religions let me know.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: android313]
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I'm level 3-ish on that chart.
And Envix, that's a point that all too often gets pushed aside in all the debate about religion - most scriptures resemble, to some degree, ancient behavioral science. YHWH or "I Am" refers to a psychological construct, not some postulated supernatural entity.
It's truly astonishing to comprehend people are willing to kill each other and themselves over favored terminology, but I think they actually do.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: argg]
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Catholicism is showing declining numbers in america
people take themselves to seriously.. way more than half of the going to church is for the community not for their egos
everyone has their own agreements and disagreements with the scripture at nondenominational churches
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Im actually about a 1.5 but I dont go to church or anything nor am I very vocal about it since most of my friends are devout aetheists.
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people take themselves to seriously.. way more than half of the going to church is for the community not for their egos
everyone has their own agreements and disagreements with the scripture at nondenominational churches
that is true but if I was to go it would be because I believe in it and thought it was real. Those people that do not listen to their leader in it might as well not go otherwise they are fooling themselves while believing in silly shit at the same time. I think beliefs that can be that important need to be all or nothing. I think the muslims with their sharia law are ding it right and follow their book even though its retarded they are following though with what their leaders tell them to do like a proper religious person should. Why christians do not stone women to death for cheating anymore or cut thier kids for talking back and let blacks and other immigrants run around free makes me have no respect for the religion or those that follow it.
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Not religious but spiritual.
I prefer to form my own beliefs rather than blindly subscribe to another person's.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Shins]
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You talkin to me?
I follow nothing of the sort.
What does that even mean anyways lol.
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I'm withDiscoBiscuitsTrip on this one. I believe that there is some sort of supernatural force, possibly from within, that influenses a flow of energy that controls things that happen to us in life. Like Karma. You and basically anyone else in the world can make up your own story of what the soul, god(s), heaven and hell, are. That's what the founders of every organized religion did, thousands of years ago. They didn't and still don't have any proof that their stories arent complete bull.
That being said, there is nothing wrong with believing in unicorns, santa or a god or even gods.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Shins]
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You talkin to me?
I follow nothing of the sort.
What does that even mean anyways lol.
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You talkin to me?
I follow nothing of the sort.
What does that even mean anyways lol.
your beliefs are superior is what you said
I said that? LOL man where can i get the shrooms your on!
I said i prefer to form my own beliefs, i did not say mine were superior.
Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
I do however believe generally that information realized and ascertained individually is superior to un-ascertained information that has been blindly dictated to you.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Shins]
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all christains dont take other peoples beliefs word for word tho
try to see the light in things, its a great quality
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It is sad that we have created a society where people will go "looking" for a religion. As apposed to looking at ones self to answer the questions of "why", and looking to science to answer the questions of "how".
There are thousands of religions. Pick one, if you must. They are all equally delusional, and riddled with supernatural phenomena created by the human imagination in an attempt to fill the holes in our psyche. It's allot easier than introverted critical self examination.
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I never said they do 
What's a "christian" anyways?
Try to see the light in people... I'm not all negative nancy
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Shins]
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a christain believes in the father, son and spirit
what is spiritual?
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Carl Sagan]
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popular science says we are an imperfect machine.
real science was lost 4000 years ago.. anyone who tries to bring it back is killed.
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How do you define "real science"?
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i strictly believe in psuedo science
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Pseudoscience certainly does well at answering questions unanswerable by "traditional" sciences.
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why are names like Lakhovsky, Reich, Rife and Dinshah not in popular history books?
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Those names are shared by many people, and without even so much as search terms, I have absolutely no reference point or further understanding of your thinking. Thanks for nothing buddy.
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look up William Reich
him never being discussed shuold be enough
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Oh yeah, I actually read all about him in Introductory Psychology. Discussion of his ideas is fairly popular, for example in OrgoneConclusion's screenname.
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yeah he was considered kind of :coocoo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rife
rife was persecuted for his research. thats a better example
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the human abstract said: a christain believes in the father, son and spirit
what is spiritual?
I thought that was called a "Trinitarian"
The Trinity isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible, nor even hinted at before the new testament.
you're telling me you can't be christian without being Trinitarain?
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I thought you said "real science" had been dead for 4000 years... this is a very confusing conversation.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Shins]
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the human abstract said: a christain believes in the father, son and spirit
what is spiritual?
I thought that was called a "Trinitarian"
The Trinity isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible, nor even hinted at before the new testament.
you're telling me you can't be christian without being Trinitarain?
The New Testament itself is pretty clear about the trinity though, and that's the basis of Christian belief as it survives today. The Old Testament is like garnish for them.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Shins]
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im not tryingg to win here shins.. christains are usually christains for the community not for themselves
thats why i see it as positive not some occult shit that always gets posted on shroomery.
organized religion being evil should be talked about in the conspiracy forum..
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A lot of people on the Shroomery have a kind of atheism-vision where they are incapable of noticing anything good about any form of religious expression and incapable of noticing anything bad about any practice of atheism (in spite of atheist organizations being responsible for the murder of hundreds of millions of people last century alone).
Like most fundamentalist belief systems in practice, antitheism is a form of bigotry.
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Yeah, most Atheists i know are just butt hurt about their overbearing "christian" parents.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: Yeah, most Atheists i know are just butt hurt about their overbearing "christian" parents.
The ironic part is that they usually inherit the qualities and attitudes that caused their parents to be overbearing in the first place. This is not really about religion.
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Tchan909 said: A lot of people on the Shroomery have a kind of atheism-vision where they are incapable of noticing anything good about any form of religious expression and incapable of noticing anything bad about any practice of atheism (in spite of atheist organizations being responsible for the murder of hundreds of millions of people last century alone).
Like most fundamentalist belief systems in practice, antitheism is a form of bigotry.
If you are referring to communism as the destructive atheist entity, I would say that the State serves the function of God, and that because there is a central figure you must be devout to, there is not atheism in practice. Since the state replaces God as the object of worship, therefore I think it is theism where God merely has a different face. A true atheist is as skeptical about his country as a God. Communism and Theism both rely on faith in a higher entity. In this case, the state.
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the human abstract said: (snip) organized religion being evil should be talked about in the conspiracy forum..
There are thousands of people dying of aids because of the catholic church's stance on condoms. Stem cell research which could have helped a lot of people with various illnesses have been held back by religious zealots. The catholic church have covered up the rape of children. Wars are being fought because the followers of one holy book doesn't agree with the followers of another holy book. Children have their genitals mutilated. Etc etc etc.. Organized religion is the very definition of evil.
"Without religion a good man may do good things, and a bad man may do evil things. But for a good man to do evil things you need religion."
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Tchan909 said: A lot of people on the Shroomery have a kind of atheism-vision where they are incapable of noticing anything good about any form of religious expression and incapable of noticing anything bad about any practice of atheism (in spite of atheist organizations being responsible for the murder of hundreds of millions of people last century alone).
Like most fundamentalist belief systems in practice, antitheism is a form of bigotry.
If you are referring to communism as the destructive atheist entity, I would say that the State serves the function of God, and that because there is a central figure you must be devout to, there is not atheism in practice. Since the state replaces God as the object of worship, therefore I think it is theism where God merely has a different face. A true atheist is as skeptical about his country as a God. Communism and Theism both rely on faith in a higher entity. In this case, the state.
This is very easy to say when you're living in a country that provides for freedom of information and freedom of speech, but totally moot when you live under Godless Communism. You're a dirt farmer and the state has an army. Where's your skepticism now? Get in line.
I realize I'm adopting a fairly extreme argument right here, but I'd also like to add that I'm not referring only to communism; I'm also referring to other programs such as national socialism, which were nominally religious but had atheistic leadership and were not accountable to any religious community. Saddam Hussein's government offers a handy microcosmic example of how the moral compunctions of a state vanish soon after the collapse of its religious authority, leading almost immediately to genocide and mass murder.
I'm not suggesting that atheism contributes to personal degradation or a decay of morals in the individual. I know far too many good-hearted atheists and rotten-hearted Christians to believe that kind of bull. However, from an institutional, societal perspective, the correlation seems a bit stronger.
As a final aside, it probably stings to hear this, but we have radical Christians to thank for our freedom to reject the existence of God.
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Radical Christians are responsible for one of the biggest holocaust to date you mean? Native Americas populated this land by the millions and they wiped them out in the name of their god for lands that were not theirs. Good for us I guess? EVIL!
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: Kada]
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Yeah, I see your point there.
In defense of my argument I would like to point out that the expansionists who went forth to claim new territory over the corpses of the Indians were not very religious. They didn't exactly go to church before they went to the latest massacre.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: android313]
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Episcopalian here. The Catholic church is too conservative for me, and the others are too Protestant.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: android313]
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I suggest doing mushrooms and going on a star lit full moon hike. You don't need someone telling you how to live your personal life, and the entire human race can be your community with just a tiny shift in perspective.
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Re: Anyone Religious Here? [Re: blewmeanie]
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don't follow any religion if its jesus your after just go for it and forget the rest
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