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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: DieCommie]
    #14550800 - 06/02/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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By the way, what many of you are regarding as theory, are hypothesises. Hypothesises are claims that are derived from some kind of empirical or logical facts.
Theories are physically or informatically proven hypothesises.

Theoretical material does not mean Theory, theory can consist of theoretical material, but it is proven in one way or another.




Lets just clear it up

Theory - a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.




That is not what theory means in science.  Theory in science is not conjecture, it is the highest status that a scientific model can achieve.  The earth is round is a theory, life is made of cells is a theory, the earth orbits the sun is a theory.  Scientific theory is not conjecture, it is the result of copious amounts of evidence and discarded hypothesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory




I believe it is, and there is alot of grey area concerning this,

Example - He goes on to state, "Any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is only a hypothesis; you can never prove it. No matter how many times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory. On the other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding even a single observation that disagrees with the predictions of the theory."


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14550839 - 06/02/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You example does not substantiate your claim.

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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14550842 - 06/02/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Scientific facts makes Theories


Fact in science

Further information: scientific method and philosophy of science

Just as in philosophy, the scientific concept of fact is central to fundamental questions regarding the nature, methods, scope and validity of scientific reasoning.

In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20] (For an example, see Evolution as theory and fact.)

Various scholars have offered significant refinements to this basic formulation, some of which are detailed below. Also, rigorous scientific use of the term "fact" is careful to distinguish: 1) states of affairs in the external world; from 2) assertions of fact that may be considered relevant in scientific analysis. The term is used in both senses in the philosophy of science.[21]

[edit] Scholarly inquiry regarding scientific fact

Scholars and clinical researchers in both the social and natural sciences have forwarded numerous questions and theories in clarifying the fundamental nature of scientific fact.[22] Some pertinent issues raised by this inquiry include:
the process by which "established fact" becomes recognized and accepted as such;[23]
whether and to what extent "fact" and "theoretic explanation" can be considered truly independent and separable from one another;[24][25]
to what extent are "facts" influenced by the mere act of observation;[25] and
to what extent are factual conclusions influenced by history and consensus, rather than a strictly systematic methodology.[26]

Consistent with the theory of confirmation holism, some scholars assert "fact" to be necessarily "theory-laden" to some degree. Thomas Kuhn and others pointed out that knowing what facts to measure, and how to measure them, requires the use of some other theory (e.g., age of fossils is based on radiocarbon dating which is justified by reasoning that radioactive decay follows a Poisson process rather than a Bernoulli process). Similarly, Percy Williams Bridgman is credited with the methodological position known as operationalism, which asserts that all observations are not only influenced, but necessarily defined by the means and assumptions used to measure them.

[edit] Fact and the scientific method

Apart from the fundamental inquiry in to the nature of scientific fact, there remain the practical and social considerations of how fact is investigated, established, and substantiated through the proper application of the scientific method.[27] Scientific facts are generally believed to be independent of the observer: no matter who performs a scientific experiment, all observers will agree on the outcome.[28] In addition to these considerations, there are the social and institutional measures, such as peer review and accreditation, that are intended to promote factual accuracy (among other interests) in scientific study.[29]


In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20] (For an example, see Evolution as theory and fact.)

Various scholars have offered significant refinements to this basic formulation, some of which are detailed below. Also, rigorous scientific use of the term "fact" is careful to distinguish: 1) states of affairs in the external world; from 2) assertions of fact that may be considered relevant in scientific analysis. The term is used in both senses in the philosophy of science.[21]



You cant have theories without placing your belief in certain Scientific Facts.


In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14550858 - 06/02/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You cant have theories without placing your belief in certain Scientific Facts.


In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.

Truth and Fact are the highest states science aspires to reach.


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14550862 - 06/02/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You cant have theories without placing your belief in certain Scientific Facts.


In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.





Yes, we all know this.  This is basic science.  It doesn't in any way negate ChuangTzu's comment.  Your comment 'In Theory...' is irrelevant because scientific theory is well established and based off of many facts.  Saying 'In Theory...' betrays an ignorance of what a scientific theory is (similar to when christians spout off 'Its a theory not a fact')

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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: Simms]
    #14550907 - 06/02/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Is such thing possible?

We know people are very able to kill the enviornment, but yesterday I came to a thought, what if plants were too.

Are there, for example, such parasitic or self multiplying plants that turn the enviornment unsuitable to most other lifeforms? Is such plant life theoretically and logically possible?

For example, there could be very well a plant that grows everywhere, eventually destroying every other plant life, and since it is too poisonous (like emitting nerve gas to prevent animal life from eating and adapting to it), no-one will eat it and life will eventually die.

Could such thing happen due to some mutation?




WHAAT DUDE...!!!*** DONT THEM MASHROOMS MAKE U FEEL LIKE ALL IS CONNECTED.... tECHNICALLY IT ALL IS, COMINg DOWN TO ATOMS AND WHATs INSIDE THEM, SO IF ALL IS CONNECTED THERE HAS TO BE A GREATER FORCE TAKING CARE OF HIS CREATION, A KING, A FATHER, A CREATOR, A PROTECTOR, A PROVIDER..... So if there will me any mutation like that it will be the cause of one man or a group of people's Devilish work in to harming our society like the milk and chicken industry in America today..! """"Woooh TO Organic food''''''

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the One and only Holy Book in the World Today!!!*** is a revelation of God.

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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: DieCommie]
    #14550911 - 06/02/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You cant have theories without placing your belief in certain Scientific Facts.


In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.





Yes, we all know this.  This is basic science.  It doesn't in any way negate ChuangTzu's comment.  Your comment 'In Theory...' is irrelevant because scientific theory is well established and based off of many facts.  Saying 'In Theory...' betrays an ignorance of what a scientific theory is (similar to when christians spout off 'Its a theory not a fact')




Irrelevant, but true right?  Was just adding my 2 cents.  Thats what this is all about.


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: DieCommie]
    #14550915 - 06/02/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I distinctly remember being taught in school that it goes:

Hypothesis --> Theory --> Law

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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: Mrbobster]
    #14550919 - 06/02/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mrbobster said:
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Simms said:
Is such thing possible?

We know people are very able to kill the enviornment, but yesterday I came to a thought, what if plants were too.

Are there, for example, such parasitic or self multiplying plants that turn the enviornment unsuitable to most other lifeforms? Is such plant life theoretically and logically possible?

For example, there could be very well a plant that grows everywhere, eventually destroying every other plant life, and since it is too poisonous (like emitting nerve gas to prevent animal life from eating and adapting to it), no-one will eat it and life will eventually die.

Could such thing happen due to some mutation?




WHAAT DUDE...!!!*** DONT THEM MASHROOMS MAKE U FEEL LIKE ALL IS CONNECTED.... tECHNICALLY IT ALL IS, COMINg DOWN TO ATOMS AND WHATs INSIDE THEM, SO IF ALL IS CONNECTED THERE HAS TO BE A GREATER FORCE TAKING CARE OF HIS CREATION, A KING, A FATHER, A CREATOR, A PROTECTOR, A PROVIDER..... So if there will me any mutation like that it will be the cause of one man or a group of people's Devilish work in to harming our society like the milk and chicken industry in America today..! """"Woooh TO Organic food''''''

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the One and only Holy Book in the World Today!!!*** is a revelation of God.

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What created the creator?


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14550922 - 06/02/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I distinctly remember being taught in school that it goes:

Hypothesis --> Theory --> Law

Thank yew Tennessee ejucashunel sistum.




Right

Law=fact

for those that dont know.


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14550923 - 06/02/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Its only technically true.  It is a lie by playing on the laymans definition of theory when discussing in a scientific context.

Do you say 'In theory...' everytime every scientific theory is discussed?  When the earth is said to orbit the sun, do you reply 'In theory...'?  I dont think so...

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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14550928 - 06/02/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Im a crypto nazi.





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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: DieCommie]
    #14550938 - 06/02/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Its only technically true.  It is a lie by playing on the laymans definition of theory when discussing in a scientific context.

Do you say 'In theory...' everytime every scientific theory is discussed?  When the earth is said to orbit the sun, do you reply 'In theory...'?  I dont think so...




No, but in context to whether or not plants killed EVERYTHING or MOST of EVERYTHING on Earth yes.

If you look at my previous posts I clearly state my arguement.


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14550941 - 06/02/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The Inner Eye said:
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Baby_Hitler said:
I distinctly remember being taught in school that it goes:

Hypothesis --> Theory --> Law

Thank yew Tennessee ejucashunel sistum.




Right

Law=fact

for those that dont know.




That is not correct.  'Law' in science is a misnomer born out of the historical development of the philosophy of science.  What were defined as 'Laws' hundreds of years ago would be cast as 'Theories' today.  Saying F=ma is a law undoes the foundation of modern science in that all models are tentative.  A law is not tentative, thus no model is ever really a law and F=ma, though one of newton's laws, is more accurately described as a theory in that it is tentative.

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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14550943 - 06/02/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Its only technically true.  It is a lie by playing on the laymans definition of theory when discussing in a scientific context.






You're confused I think.


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14550951 - 06/02/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Im a crypto nazi.









Don't make me punch you in the mouf with my dick. :gaycrankey:


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14550960 - 06/02/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
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The Inner Eye said:
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Baby_Hitler said:
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Don't make me punch you in the mouf with my dick. :gaycrankey:




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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14550982 - 06/02/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cassini's Laws

The Moon makes a complete orbit around the Earth with respect to the fixed stars about once every 27.3 days


1.the Moon has 1:1 spin-orbit resonance. This means that the rotation / orbit ratio of the Moon is such that the same face is always facing the Earth.
2.the Moon's rotational axis maintains the same angle of inclination from the ecliptic plane. The Moon's rotational axis forms a cone that intersects the ecliptic plane as a circle.
3.a plane formed from a normal to the ecliptic plane and a normal to the Moon's orbital plane will contain the Moon's rotational axis.

In the case of the Moon, its rotational axis always points some 1.5 degrees away from the North ecliptic pole. The normal to the orbital plane and the rotational axis are always in opposite sides of the normal to the ecliptic.

Therefore, both the normal to the orbital plane and the Moon's rotational axis precess around the Ecliptic pole with the same period. The period is about 18 years and the motion is retrograde.

Scientific Law/Truth


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14551033 - 06/02/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The Inner Eye said:
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The Inner Eye said:
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DieCommie said:
Its only technically true.  It is a lie by playing on the laymans definition of theory when discussing in a scientific context.






You're confused I think.




Did not mean this in a negative way either. :cheers:  I just think you are confused as to what I was arguing about in the first place.  :smile:
No hard feelings DieCommie.


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Re: Plants that could kill the enviornment [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14551091 - 06/02/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The Inner Eye said:
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Mrbobster said:
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Simms said:
Is such thing possible?

We know people are very able to kill the enviornment, but yesterday I came to a thought, what if plants were too.

Are there, for example, such parasitic or self multiplying plants that turn the enviornment unsuitable to most other lifeforms? Is such plant life theoretically and logically possible?

For example, there could be very well a plant that grows everywhere, eventually destroying every other plant life, and since it is too poisonous (like emitting nerve gas to prevent animal life from eating and adapting to it), no-one will eat it and life will eventually die.

Could such thing happen due to some mutation?




WHAAT DUDE...!!!*** DONT THEM MASHROOMS MAKE U FEEL LIKE ALL IS CONNECTED.... tECHNICALLY IT ALL IS, COMINg DOWN TO ATOMS AND WHATs INSIDE THEM, SO IF ALL IS CONNECTED THERE HAS TO BE A GREATER FORCE TAKING CARE OF HIS CREATION, A KING, A FATHER, A CREATOR, A PROTECTOR, A PROVIDER..... So if there will me any mutation like that it will be the cause of one man or a group of people's Devilish work in to harming our society like the milk and chicken industry in America today..! """"Woooh TO Organic food''''''

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the One and only Holy Book in the World Today!!!*** is a revelation of God.

ask to find out






What created the creator?




THE MOST POWERFUL THING IN THE WORLD LOOK HOW MANY EXPLOSIONS AND CHEMICAL REACTION ARE HAPPENING ON THE SUN AS WE SPEAK, TILL THIS DAY MAN CANT EXPLAIN HOW OUR NAILS GROW HOW A CHILD GROWS FROM INFINT TO MAN.... BEFORE THERE WAS NOTHING THERE WAS GOD AND WHEN NOTHING IS HERE THERE WILL BE ONLY THE LORD..!!! WE CONNOT IMAGINE HIM HE IS NIFINIT..!!! , HE IS PURE..!!! ONLY TIME WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE OUR LORD IS WHEN WE ARE IN HEAVEN AND THAT WILL BE THE GREATES GIFT OF ALL EVEN THE WINE RIVERS AND HONEY MILK RIVERS, TO LOOK AT OUR CREATOR WILLL BE THE MOST SATISFACTION IN HEAVEN...!!!!! OR FOR THE PEOPLE OF HELL WILL CRY AND BEG TO SEE THE LORD AND THATS THEIR GREATES PUNISHMENT EVEN AFTER BEING TORTURED IN HELL...!!!! BUR THE LORD IS MOST MERCIFUL FOR GRACIOUS HE FORGIVES THOSE WHO HE WILLS EVEN IF YOU HAVE SIN'S THAT FILL THE OCEAN..!! GOD IS MOST FORGIVING..!!!


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