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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: sum0]
    #14544341 - 06/01/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

beeeeeaaauuutiful bro.... this reminds me SOOO much of a patch that i have visited before in the west auckland region!! exact variety.. exact!!  LOVe the second picture!!!!! btw watch out for those blue/red stained woodchips, the councils woodchips are great, but that council spray is killah!

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: fartistik1]
    #14544342 - 06/01/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Oh my, they are beautiful..


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: xthrx]
    #14544349 - 06/01/11 04:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thank the forest!!! :smile: i got a new camera at the police auctions yesterday but needa get a charger.... hopefully will get it sussed b4 the season ends and can put on sum mre pics :wink:

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: fartistik1]
    #14544359 - 06/01/11 04:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What do you look for in a forest when hunting aucklandii? Clay soil and pine needle?


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: xthrx]
    #14544435 - 06/01/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

cant just be pine needles and vary rarely single spots of pine trees... mostly find them in big forests where the habitat has been growing nicely for a good 20 odd years??? the pines where we find them are quite large and there is plenty of space around... and they grow in many different environments (soils, clays, dips, rises, plateau's) as long as the forest around them is well established! good luck

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: fartistik1]
    #14544443 - 06/01/11 05:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

this is because the mycelium mats take a long time to be a fully fruiting "tree"... my brother and i have found perfect circles of fruiting bodies... a friend of ours has told us that for interlocking rings to form the mat of mycelium must be over a hundred years old without too much destruction to its habitat!

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: fartistik1]
    #14544472 - 06/01/11 06:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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this is because the mycelium mats take a long time to be a fully fruiting "tree"... my brother and i have found perfect circles of fruiting bodies... a friend of ours has told us that for interlocking rings to form the mat of mycelium must be over a hundred years old without too much destruction to its habitat!




This is complete bullshit. :wink:

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Stopwhispering]
    #14544543 - 06/01/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This is complete bullshit. :wink:




Well P.Aucklandii do only grow in a very specific area of Auckland, so maybe there could be some truth to the mycelium needing a very particular environment to have optimum fruiting.

I would be interested to know why it's not more widespread if this isn't the case.


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Miss Match]
    #14544581 - 06/01/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This is complete bullshit. :wink:




Well P.Aucklandii do only grow in a very specific area of Auckland, so maybe there could be some truth to the mycelium needing a very particular environment to have optimum fruiting.

I would be interested to know why it's not more widespread if this isn't the case.




This is my bad apologies, should have read one more post back and realised fartistik1 was talking about P. aucklandii, I am from Melbourne we, for the most part, only get Psilocybe subaeruginosa here, sadly we also seem to have a nature of making up rediculous "facts" about them, which gets a little annoying. 

As for P. aucklandii, I wouldn't know the foggiest about the species, it would make sense if they are so rare that the right conditions would only occur in the time frame mentioned.  If this is the case though it seem very strange that necassary conditions are so far removed from species so closely related to them.  :shrug:

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: captain goodvibes]
    #14544594 - 06/01/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Stoked new patch I spotted on my way home glad I went back for a look.







Heyall I'm from Melbourne, and in a couple weeks I'm heading over to NZ to play you some music and sample your mushrooms..

What the hell are these??????? They aint what yr subs look like are they?












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Found a lot of subs in different locations around the central Nth Island in the last 10 days or so, but only had the camera handy on one occasion in Rotorua yesterday for the smallest and least numerous finds!

Found a new patch in Gisborne last week which was going ballistic. The largest mature clumps were 50-75mm diameter wavy caps, with so many spores dumped the caps were practically black. All thick, meaty specimens, with lots and lots of pins adjacent.

These are from Rotorua: (classic NZ subs??)
   

I was struck by the differences between these and the ones I find locally in Gisborne, and the fact that the pics above are completely consistent with other finds I have made previously in the Bay of Plenty: much smaller, light tan colour, prominent nipple, less waviness in the cap; whereas here in Poverty Bay they are considerably larger, often darker more (deep) caramel colour, absolutely no nipple, really wavy inverted caps.

Way stronger too (Poverty Bay/Gisborne).

Are they really the same? I'm not convinced. Do local conditions have this much influence? I have always found it strange that locally I have never seen the prominent nipple in Gisborne that is evident throughout so many other photos on the NZ threads. In fact the subs I am familiar with locally are very rounded on top when pinning, tending towards being concave as they mature, the opposite of the nipple, as in this pic:

These are from Gisborne: (no nipple on pins, indented cap, much darker colouration etc)



Also found it noteworthy the difference a flash makes to the same image:
(with flash (check the spore colouration))

  (without flash)




Eureka? I found this "Gisborne strain" in a garden bed in Melbourne Australia two days ago.. right next to a patch of the usual smaller wavier type of subs.. maybe some myc was imported into this garden from NZ by accident?



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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Miss Match]
    #14545645 - 06/01/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I would be interested to know why it's not more widespread if this isn't the case.




Ive found Aucklandii in the Hunua Ranges, so its definateely more widespread than just west Auckland. And In Hunua I found them growing underneath Totara, so its not just Pine that they like

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: antichode]
    #14545661 - 06/01/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And in my experience Ive noticed that they like an undisturbed habitat, Id say the hundred year olod myc ring is a bit of a long tale :wink: But they defintaely flourish in area's of the bush that are pristine and off the beaten path.

Xthrax.... The main thing to try and look for with Aucklandii is just a large area of  Mature Pine forest that doesnt have a lot of undergrowth, you'll need to cover a fair bit of forest to find a few, and you'll improve your chances if the forest floor is clear and free for your eyes to roam

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: antichode]
    #14545867 - 06/01/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Things sure have changed. In the 90's there were so many.. 3 hours in the woods would get you hundreds of Aucklandii.

Those were the days....


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Miss Match]
    #14546149 - 06/01/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Neutro what the hell are you on about. There is no regional strains. They are not 'gisborne' subs. They are regular p.subs from australia.

Miss match I remember you telling me the story, lets go for a hunt for them -beady eyes-


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: xthrx]
    #14546692 - 06/01/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Anybody agree that gold tops trip you out more when you eat them fresh?? I dont really get a heavy trip when I take them dried out.


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Blazer420]
    #14547444 - 06/01/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Anybody agree that gold tops trip you out more when you eat them fresh?? I dont really get a heavy trip when I take them dried out.




Yeah I have noticed this too, I can eat 3-4 smallish fresh specimens and trip pretty damn hard off them, whereas, over double that amount of dried specimens doesn't really do shit.

Then again, I am fan drying, perhaps using a food dehydrator would mean less potency loss?

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: sum0]
    #14548734 - 06/01/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I disagree to be honest. But the " magic " feeling is more noticed with fresh subs. I find the potency is the same. 4x in a tea dry produced results almost to strong for me haha.


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: xthrx]
    #14549603 - 06/02/11 06:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Would definitely agree with xthorx on the "magic" feeling, I don't know how to describe it very well but the trip feels more alive, more electric.

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: xthrx]
    #14550271 - 06/02/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Neutro what the hell are you on about. There is no regional strains. They are not 'gisborne' subs. They are regular p.subs from Australia.






Sorry, I'll retract my use of the word "strain" and call them Tall-Dark-Strongies instead (I'm not being sarcastic here)

I'm continuing on from what Captain Goodvibes is hypothesising about these in particular.



It's VERY rare to see a sub like this in Melbourne, but I hear that they are the norm in Gisborn and Poverty Bay. They're super tall, have a very dark brown and very convex cap with a white rim, no umbo, and look like huge pins. Anecdotal evidence agrees that
Tall-Dark-Strongies are much more potent than the subs that look just like p. cyans.

Supposedly it's to do with growing conditions right?
but why did i find a small patch of Tall-Dark-Strongies in a garden in Melbourne right next to two patches of the normal p. cyans style subs?
Surely it's because of something hereditary?

or are the p. cyans looking subs actually p. australiana and we just call them subs?

Anyway, I kept a spore print labelled Tall-Dark-Strongies, so maybe when I've got my growing technique set up a bit better I could do some experimenting with growing conditions for myself.
It seems quite interesting.


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Neutro]
    #14550824 - 06/02/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Neutro,
Those are just generic P.subs of varying microclimates, substrates and phenotypes. There is no scientific breakthrough, those are not cyans, they are probably not more potent than regular subs and for all intents and purposes they are subs, so like Xthrx said, wtf u on about bro?

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