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Policing the Police * 3
    #14550521 - 06/02/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Police are or should be held to a higher standard based upon their position
in the communities in which they police. That said when a cop fucks up he should
be held accountable for his actions and should have the proverbial book thrown
at him every single time.

That would clear up most if not all the problems most have with them right?
Because we do need them around.


So why is this so far from reality?


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #14550544 - 06/02/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Who would police the police policers?


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #14550547 - 06/02/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

So why is this so far from reality?




Because they have the most guns, and they aren't afraid to use them.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: The_Ghost]
    #14550552 - 06/02/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The_Ghost said:
Who would police the police policers?




The police :header:


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #14550554 - 06/02/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I beleive the big problem is they are just like any other type of gang. They protect themselves since they all share the same experiences together they become family. And like any family they will try their hardest to protect themselves.  This only goes out the window when media gets involved and opens it up to the public. I would imagine snitching is looked down upon in the police force just as it is in gangs, prison or any other type of brotherhood. Also some cops beleive that they are above the law. This is only reinforced when they are protected.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: 4runner]
    #14550557 - 06/02/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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anunnakian said:
I beleive the big problem is they are just like any other type of gang. They protect themselves since they all share the same experiences together they become family. And like any family they will try their hardest to protect themselves.  This only goes out the window when media gets involved and opens it up to the public. I would imagine snitching is looked down upon in the police force just as it is in gangs, prison or any other type of brotherhood. Also some cops beleive that they are above the law. This is only reinforced when they are protected.





This is pretty much spot on.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14551041 - 06/02/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Establish a local militia group.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: The_Ghost]
    #14551046 - 06/02/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

anunnakian said:
I beleive the big problem is they are just like any other type of gang. They protect themselves since they all share the same experiences together they become family. And like any family they will try their hardest to protect themselves.  This only goes out the window when media gets involved and opens it up to the public. I would imagine snitching is looked down upon in the police force just as it is in gangs, prison or any other type of brotherhood. Also some cops beleive that they are above the law. This is only reinforced when they are protected.





This is pretty much spot on.




yes

Quote:

The_Ghost said:
Who would police the police policers?




you and your camera


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: DeadHearts] * 5
    #14551049 - 06/02/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Police are or should be held to a higher standard based upon their position
in the communities in which they police. That said when a cop fucks up he should
be held accountable for his actions and should have the proverbial book thrown
at him every single time.




3x the sentence for the conviction of a crime should be the standard for a
cop or a politician, they make and enforce the laws therefor they have no
excuse for not following the law and as they should be held to a higher
standard it's the least they deserve



Quote:

So why is this so far from reality?




because we allow the police to police the police, what's needed is a
citizens review board for any incident that could be construed as
excessive force or criminal behavior, and by excessive force I'm not
referring to a cop throwing someone to the ground because they refused to
comply with a command, I'm talking about actual abuses like beating the
guy in handcuffs or tasering a guy that's just serving coffee, not the
frivolous crap hippies see as excessive


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14551070 - 06/02/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
3x the sentence for the conviction of a crime should be the standard for a cop or a politician




Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
what's needed is a citizens review board for any incident that could be construed as excessive force or criminal behavior




:awethumb: These are both pretty good ideas.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Remix]
    #14551172 - 06/02/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Remix said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
3x the sentence for the conviction of a crime should be the standard for a cop or a politician




Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
what's needed is a citizens review board for any incident that could be construed as excessive force or criminal behavior




:awethumb: These are both pretty good ideas.




Agreed.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14551200 - 06/02/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Police are or should be held to a higher standard based upon their position
in the communities in which they police. That said when a cop fucks up he should
be held accountable for his actions and should have the proverbial book thrown
at him every single time.




3x the sentence for the conviction of a crime should be the standard for a
cop or a politician, they make and enforce the laws therefor they have no
excuse for not following the law and as they should be held to a higher
standard it's the least they deserve



Quote:

So why is this so far from reality?




because we allow the police to police the police, what's needed is a
citizens review board for any incident that could be construed as
excessive force or criminal behavior, and by excessive force I'm not
referring to a cop throwing someone to the ground because they refused to
comply with a command, I'm talking about actual abuses like beating the
guy in handcuffs or tasering a guy that's just serving coffee, not the
frivolous crap hippies see as excessive




Isn't that what the court of justice is for?


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Patlal]
    #14551308 - 06/02/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Police are or should be held to a higher standard based upon their position
in the communities in which they police. That said when a cop fucks up he should
be held accountable for his actions and should have the proverbial book thrown
at him every single time.




3x the sentence for the conviction of a crime should be the standard for a
cop or a politician, they make and enforce the laws therefor they have no
excuse for not following the law and as they should be held to a higher
standard it's the least they deserve



Quote:

So why is this so far from reality?




because we allow the police to police the police, what's needed is a
citizens review board for any incident that could be construed as
excessive force or criminal behavior, and by excessive force I'm not
referring to a cop throwing someone to the ground because they refused to
comply with a command, I'm talking about actual abuses like beating the
guy in handcuffs or tasering a guy that's just serving coffee, not the
frivolous crap hippies see as excessive




Isn't that what the court of justice is for?





no because in the US there's 2 sets of rights for cops, one is the same
every citizen receives, the second is a special set, gerrold rights <sp>,
it allows for cops to only be punished via disciplinary action like
suspension or termination, no courts involved and it allows for the
departments to keep the shit quiet because it never sees a court, most cop
crime never sees the courtroom

additionally, the judges go easy on cops during sentencing, they're part
of the system, typically you'll get 3x the sentence the cop will, you get
10 years and the cop may serve 2-3


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14551389 - 06/02/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thats 2-3 years of extra hard time I would imagine tho  :hehehe:


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14551406 - 06/02/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hardly, do you think they lock cops up in population?

most get easy time


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14551475 - 06/02/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

WEll then in that case.

isn't it Internal Affairs job to keep US police officers honest?


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Patlal]
    #14551495 - 06/02/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Internal affairs is a part of law enforcement itself. It's an "internal branch" that tends to report directly to police chiefs or former police officers who make up a board (depending on the region).


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Remix]
    #14551630 - 06/02/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

you can't stop the largest street gang in America, especially when they have the judicial system in their back pocket.

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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Remix]
    #14551697 - 06/02/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Remix said:
Establish a local militia group.




that was on of the purposes of the black panthers in the 60's and 70's. that among many of the other things they believed in and fought for got them on the bad side of our almighty government which responded by harassing, arresting and murdering social activists.

the ideals and philosophical beliefs that this country was built upon have been abandoned long ago. we are not living in the America you learn about in school, if that ever even existed at all.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14551704 - 06/02/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

anunnakian said:
I beleive the big problem is they are just like any other type of gang. They protect themselves since they all share the same experiences together they become family. And like any family they will try their hardest to protect themselves.  This only goes out the window when media gets involved and opens it up to the public. I would imagine snitching is looked down upon in the police force just as it is in gangs, prison or any other type of brotherhood. Also some cops beleive that they are above the law. This is only reinforced when they are protected.



Well said. It reminds me of this story I saw the other day. Dudes getting six felony DUI charges dropped thanks to his cop buddies taking him to some bullshit clinic for his blood draw.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Patlal]
    #14551708 - 06/02/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
WEll then in that case.

isn't it Internal Affairs job to keep US police officers honest?





internal affairs are the police policing the police


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14551729 - 06/02/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

People need to learn to stay calm and respectful around the police as well as know and fully understand their rights.  The more you're a dick to them, the more reason (in their minds) they have to fuck with you.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14551746 - 06/02/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

unam sanctum said:
People need to learn to stay calm and respectful around the police as well as know and fully understand their rights.  The more you're a dick to them, the more reason (in their minds) they have to fuck with you.





That is true but how much shit do you have to take before you lose it on a nigga??

Its like some people that are out there can never be pleased no matter what you do.

I have been in contact with police who no matter how nice I am he continues to
be an illogical prick threatening me left and right. It all depends on the person/cop
unfortunately
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Re: Policing the Police [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14551754 - 06/02/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I agree, just saying in the citizen's interest it's best to bow as low to them as you can. I'd rather be a free man with less dignity than have it and be in jail.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14551767 - 06/02/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

unam sanctum said:
I agree, just saying in the citizen's interest it's best to bow as low to them as you can. I'd rather be a free man with less dignity than have it and be in jail.






That is one of the biggest problems we face. Most of us here could agree that
we hate our government. Everything is so ass backwards it amazes me. But what can
any one man do?? No one wants to go to jail. Jail even for one night is horrible.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14551770 - 06/02/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

unam sanctum said:
People need to learn to stay calm and respectful around the police as well as know and fully understand their rights.  The more you're a dick to them, the more reason (in their minds) they have to fuck with you.





That is true but how much shit do you have to take before you lose it on a nigga??

Its like some people that are out there can never be pleased no matter what you do.

I have been in contact with police who no matter how nice I am he continues to
be an illogical prick threatening me left and right. It all depends on the person/cop
unfortunately
.





9 times out of 10, it's based on your appearance and nothing more, if it's
a regular occurrence then you're obviously doing something to attract
their attention


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14551777 - 06/02/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

unam sanctum said:
People need to learn to stay calm and respectful around the police as well as know and fully understand their rights.  The more you're a dick to them, the more reason (in their minds) they have to fuck with you.




Sometimes cops are having a bad day and they feel like fucking with you.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14551790 - 06/02/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

unam sanctum said:
People need to learn to stay calm and respectful around the police as well as know and fully understand their rights.  The more you're a dick to them, the more reason (in their minds) they have to fuck with you.





That is true but how much shit do you have to take before you lose it on a nigga??

Its like some people that are out there can never be pleased no matter what you do.

I have been in contact with police who no matter how nice I am he continues to
be an illogical prick threatening me left and right. It all depends on the person/cop
unfortunately
.





9 times out of 10, it's based on your appearance and nothing more





Indeed. I live right outside of Detroit in the burbs. I see people get pulled
over on Michigan ave daily while walking to work and such and the people getting
pulled over are black 99.9% of the time. Last time I saw that happen was the other
day. Black family riding in a decent car two small kids in the back. Officers on
both sides of the car with their gun to their sides out of the holster.

:facepalm:


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14551813 - 06/02/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
WEll then in that case.

isn't it Internal Affairs job to keep US police officers honest?





internal affairs are the police policing the police




Well there you go.

Problem solved. This thread has been answered!


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Patlal]
    #14551835 - 06/02/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
WEll then in that case.

isn't it Internal Affairs job to keep US police officers honest?





internal affairs are the police policing the police




Well there you go.

Problem solved. This thread has been answered!





conflict of interest... mean anything to ya?


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14551866 - 06/02/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

most major cities have some kind of citizen cop watch; the one in Denver is ran by hoodlums on the west side because mexicans have a lot of problems with police over there


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Cherk]
    #14551879 - 06/02/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

watching the cops beat people up isnt the same as citizens deciding whether a cop needs to be prosecuted or not


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    #14551891 - 06/02/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

They rarely catch anything mildly interesting anyways, once cops see those bright yellow vests and camcorders they're automatically operating text book status.


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14551910 - 06/02/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

yeah with the evidence comes the activism...futile or not

Denver just payed out close to a $1 million to this hispanic dude that got the shit beat out of him

I don't know if you are aware; but Denver has had a lot of police brutality problems in the past few years...

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2011/05/denver_police_brutailty_scandal_timeline.php

Westword is overall a pretty great publication...it's big in Denver for reporting more than the Post is willing to

we've gone through like 2-3 independent monitors in the past two years....Hickenlooper rode the wave and campaigned to stop police brutality shortly before elections...say hello to our new dolt governor...


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Cherk]
    #14551917 - 06/02/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

had a sheriff down here that did that, he won the election and ousted the
incumbent who in turn hired a hit man to kill the new sheriff, no corruption here


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14551980 - 06/02/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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had a sheriff down here that did that, he won the election and ousted the
incumbent who in turn hired a hit man to kill the new sheriff, no corruption here




He was legally enforcing his right to kill people he doesn't like.

Nothing illegal here


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Re: Policing the Police [Re: Patlal]
    #14552075 - 06/02/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Oh lordy


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