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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Subconscious]
    #14549937 - 06/02/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It doesn't take me more than a single hit of top shelf herb to be totally blazed




I know right. One reason I would like to see it legalized is so I could buy weaker strains. I don't need Everclear every time, sometimes I just want a beer or a glass of wine.


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14549988 - 06/02/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A single hit of top shelf blazes me for 10-20 minutes, some strains one hit doesn't give much of any effect. I just got 2 HOURS OFF THIS SHIT. I can post pictures of the strains I smoke, if you're gonna play "the my weed is danker" than yours game. A more accurate comparison is hash is Everclear (at least the blonde stuff, earwax, BHO, water hash, etc.), buds are beer and wine. I would never purposely buy a weak strain, but I guess my tolerance is fucked from living in California (tolerance sucks, don't do it).

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On a documentary on how weed works they said that the chemicals from the smoke that you need to get high are absorbed immediately so holding it in longer doesn't get you any higher. I just breath it in and blow it straight out. No point giving yourself an aneurysm.



I went over that in the original post. :facepalm: Test the weed you blow out, it still has actives in it, even if it's not as much as the original toke. I'm not so sure how miraculous the lungs are, that they immediately know what's good for them or not, so much so that they only absorb the actives and the smoke is just "carcinogens." Why do all the toxins in cigarettes fuck up people's lungs, if the lungs are THAT efficient/awesome? :stoned:


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14550092 - 06/02/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I went over that in the original post. :




And there was little evidence to support your claims in the original post.

Most systematic studies have shown that plasma blood levels of THC, and subjective ratings don't change by holding your breath.  Essentially, the best your method doing is keeping the lung tissue in contact with tar for an extended period of time.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14550100 - 06/02/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread but I just wanted to ask a question about the topic.

I've heard that your lungs absorb something around 95% of THC/Cannabinoids in smoke in roughly 3-5 seconds. Therefore holding your hits in until you exhale no smoke seems A) Pointless  B) Incredibly detrimental to the health of your lungs... So does it really even make any sense to do a smokeless exhale?

Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know, but thats how I've smoked ever since I heard it and I get high as fuck and only hold hits for 3-5 seconds.  Besides, one of the best parts of smoking is feeling all that smoke in your lungs and pushing it up out of your body and watching that sweet cloud fill the air around you. Maybe thats just me though :shrug:


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Equipto]
    #14550182 - 06/02/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In my mind, that is due to the fact that the smoke sticks to all possible receptors quickly, essentially not allowing the rest of the smoke to get absorbed. This explains why, when taking a normal hit, you blow out a cloud roughly the same size from holding it 10 or 30 seconds. Perhaps the intake of fresh oxygen clears them? Regardless, you do not blow any smoke out. The smoke got absorbed, this is logically impossible otherwise. Now, the question is, is that smoke full of actives? I say yes. People store the smoke they blow out for a second hit when they're low on weed. People kiss and transfer hits like that, and it works. So in my mind, it's not the amount of time held that matters necessarily, but the amount you absorb, and consequently, the amount you exhale. I think I have a decent picture of what's going on physiologically.

Try it, decide for yourself. I'm glad you at least included the possibility that the 5 second study (if it exists) is bullshit. I know what works for me, regardless of science, which is very biased and hard to work with when it comes to illegal substances. :shrug: I can tell you, that having held my hits in long always, that if I blew out the smoke immediately, like what happens when I accidentally take a too-big hit, I feel close to nothing. I just feel like an idiot for not even holding the smoke 10 seconds.


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Equipto]
    #14550213 - 06/02/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Equipto said:

Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know. 




There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.

OP's claims are unsubstantiated.  It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup.  Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: badchad]
    #14550226 - 06/02/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Equipto said:

Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know. 




There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.

OP's claims are unsubstantiated.  It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup.  Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.




:lol: You talk about the masses like we're a bunch of retards.

I like to think most of the people on the Shroomery know most of these facts as they've been well documented for quite some time. I remember reading that information back when I started smoking in the 90s.


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: badchad]
    #14550229 - 06/02/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Equipto said:

Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know. 




There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.

OP's claims are unsubstantiated.  It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup.  Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.



If only this was just "breath holding" you might be right. You might also make a more convincing argument if you could read.

I see science is your religion. No sense talking to somebody who trusts a bunch of guys he doesn't know over how HE feels when he takes a drug.


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14550249 - 06/02/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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KingEmblem said:
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badchad said:
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Equipto said:

Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know. 




There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.

OP's claims are unsubstantiated.  It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup.  Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.



If only this was just "breath holding" you might be right. You might also make a more convincing argument if you could read.

I see science is your religion. No sense talking to somebody who trusts a bunch of guys he doesn't know over how HE feels when he takes a drug.




Let's just say that you only absorb 90% of the THC within 5 seconds.

You're holding in the tar and other carcinogens just to chase after the remaining 10%.

I mean, if you're hard up for weed, I guess...
Myself, I'll just take another hit.


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14550261 - 06/02/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If only this was just "breath holding" you might be right. You might also make a more convincing argument if you could read.





So now your claim is that a small inhale, followed by inhaling oxygen is somehow different than "breath holding"?

You clearly have no understanding of the most basic physiological concepts of lung function, or pharmacology.  This is most evident by your hypothesis of "maybe oxygen clears the receptors"?

Science is not my religion, but systematically collected, well documented data certainly trump a poorly written post that makes little sense in the first place.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14550272 - 06/02/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ifoundwaldo said:
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KingEmblem said:
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badchad said:
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Equipto said:

Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know. 




There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.

OP's claims are unsubstantiated.  It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup.  Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.



If only this was just "breath holding" you might be right. You might also make a more convincing argument if you could read.

I see science is your religion. No sense talking to somebody who trusts a bunch of guys he doesn't know over how HE feels when he takes a drug.




Let's just say that you only absorb 90% of the THC within 5 seconds.

You're holding in the tar and other carcinogens just to chase after the remaining 10%.

I mean, if you're hard up for weed, I guess...
Myself, I'll just take another hit.




That's a big if and not one I believe. The difference does not feel like a negligible 10% difference. The fact is, the smoke got absorbed. Everything else is opinion, such as the percent of actives in exhaled smoke, which is easily confounded by belief/disbelief, placebo effect, etc.


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: badchad]
    #14550296 - 06/02/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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badchad said:
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KingEmblem said:
If only this was just "breath holding" you might be right. You might also make a more convincing argument if you could read.





So now your claim is that a small inhale, followed by inhaling oxygen is somehow different than "breath holding"?

You clearly have no understanding of the most basic physiological concepts of lung function, or pharmacology.  This is most evident by your hypothesis of "maybe oxygen clears the receptors"?

Science is not my religion, but systematically collected, well documented data certainly trump a poorly written post that makes little sense in the first place.



My level of toast trumps your disbelief, and science. :stoned:

Yes, that is my claim. The continued inhalation of oxygen is the whole difference.

This is reminding me of the "bake your weed on low temperature for extra potency" debate, where a bunch of people agree and disagree (although so far I've only seen agreeable posts from people who have actually tried it or have already been smoking that way). Low temp. baking, in my mind works as well, better with certain bud than others, just it has several drawbacks, like the loss of flavor/aroma. It just seems to convert THC into CBD as well, making your bud "heavier" and more couch locking, not necessarily more potent. Smokeless exhalation has no drawback except inconvenience (damage to health is speculative). Oh well, it's impossible to get some people to try anything new. :shrug:


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14550305 - 06/02/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so much :facepalm: in this thread.

holding your hits in for an excessively long period of time doesn't do anything.
all you want is the THC, and most of it gets absorbed pretty quickly.

honestly, I have tried holding my hits in for a loong time and all it ever did was make me light headed.

I get just as high golding in my hits for 5-10 seconds (10 secs MAX) as i do torturing my body by holding it for 30+ seconds.


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People always blow out HUGE clouds after holding it in 5 seconds..and they wonder how an eighth lasts them 1-2 days. The worst is they think it's super cool. Okay, maybe if you're hanging with friends/partying it might be, but otherwise it's just "lolol look how much smoke I am NOT absorbing!!!" :facepalm:




yet they still get baked...hmmmmm

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I'm special :kingtard:




yes

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Now now, I know some people will argue against this. I've thought this through:

A lot of people will argue that you do not get higher holding a hit in longer than 10 seconds or so. I think this might be true, BUT you still blow out roughly the same amount of smoke holding it in for 30 vs. 10 seconds. Also, when you blow the smoke out and conserve it in something, or blow it into another person's mouth, it works just about as well. So there MUST be actives in it. Saying your lungs absorb all the actives and the smoke is carcinogens is an ASSUMPTION, one that is false from my observations. There ARE AT LEAST actives in the smoke still: the smoke still works. Even hotboxing would be unpopular if the smoke was bunk. Plus, subjectively, I feel higher. All my muscles are vibrating, and my heart beats considerably (not in a panicky way) on each hit. Note I am smoking sativa, so I feel stimulated, even fucking jittery, but it feels good, like vibrations.




you "feel" higher because you've convinced yourself that you are actually getting higher. Truth is you aren't.

LOL "Saying your lungs absorb all the actives and the smoke is carcinogens is an ASSUMPTION, one that is false from my observations."

you've done studies? or is your subjective research the fact that you "feel" waay higher, man?


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14550352 - 06/02/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

See, that's how you know you're doing it wrong, that you describe it as "torture" to hold it 30+ seconds. Lack of oxygen. To me it honestly feels very "zen," if you will. There's something about the perfection of it, of near 0 waste.

lol, dude, you really don't think I've never heard of the placebo effect? How do you know a "potent" strain of weed is getting you more baked than usual? Do you have studies on its cannabinoid percentages in comparison to weed you usually smoke? Or is it subjective?

I'm a skeptic. I don't believe in hard facts, at all. I might believe them for convenience reasons, but somewhere along the line something is unknown. Like the base of existence where everything is rooted. :shrug: Personal facts are the only type that exist in my mind. It is a fact that this gets me higher.


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14550366 - 06/02/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This is reminding me of the "bake your weed on low temperature for extra potency" debate, where a bunch of people agree and disagree (although so far I've only seen agreeable posts from people who have actually tried it or have already been smoking that way). Low temp. baking, in my mind works as well, better with certain bud than others, just it has several drawbacks, like the loss of flavor/aroma. It just seems to convert THC into CBD as well, making your bud "heavier" and more couch locking, not necessarily more potent. Smokeless exhalation has no drawback except inconvenience (damage to health is speculative). Oh well, it's impossible to get some people to try anything new. :shrug:




The only difference is that this isn't really a debate. There's science showing what decarboxylation does to marijuana.

Have fun holding your breath in. Because regardless of whether or not you're taking a little more oxygen in, that's essentially all you're doing.

You can also spin around in a chair really fast to TRIP BALLS. Personal fact.


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14550389 - 06/02/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ifoundwaldo said:
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KingEmblem said:
This is reminding me of the "bake your weed on low temperature for extra potency" debate, where a bunch of people agree and disagree (although so far I've only seen agreeable posts from people who have actually tried it or have already been smoking that way). Low temp. baking, in my mind works as well, better with certain bud than others, just it has several drawbacks, like the loss of flavor/aroma. It just seems to convert THC into CBD as well, making your bud "heavier" and more couch locking, not necessarily more potent. Smokeless exhalation has no drawback except inconvenience (damage to health is speculative). Oh well, it's impossible to get some people to try anything new. :shrug:




The only difference is that this isn't really a debate. There's science showing what decarboxylation does to marijuana.

Have fun holding your breath in. Because regardless of whether or not you're taking a little more oxygen in, that's essentially all you're doing.

You can also spin around in a chair really fast to TRIP BALLS. Personal fact.



Science or not, find one of those threads and see not only how many people say it does nothing (except "ruin" the weed), but how many people flat our refuse to even try it. Although of course there's a 90% chance now that since you spoke out against it you won't feel anything, or at least you won't admit it, because the ego is a fragile thing.

Well, dude, to be honest, if that makes you actually trip balls and not say, get nauseous, dizzy and vomit, congrats. You must be a lightweight. I've tried it (a lot as a kid, especially!) and it :feelsbadman: to me, I just get dizzy. Smokeless exhalation, on the other hand, :feelsgoodman:.


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14550404 - 06/02/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's cool. Not that I have the healthiest lungs in the world, but I'm sure it :feelsgoodman: to smokeless exhale then climb up a mountain! Right? Mmm... tar... :homerdrool:


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    #14550430 - 06/02/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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See, that's how you know you're doing it wrong, that you describe it as "torture" to hold it 30+ seconds. Lack of oxygen. To me it honestly feels very "zen," if you will. There's something about the perfection of it, of near 0 waste.

lol, dude, you really don't think I've never heard of the placebo effect? How do you know a "potent" strain of weed is getting you more baked than usual? Do you have studies on its cannabinoid percentages in comparison to weed you usually smoke? Or is it subjective?

I'm a skeptic. I don't believe in hard facts, at all. I might believe them for convenience reasons, but somewhere along the line something is unknown. Like the base of existence where everything is rooted. :shrug: Personal facts are the only type that exist in my mind. It is a fact that this gets me higher.




:doublefacepalm:

no...i know how to smoke weed and even using this "technique" of yours, it's brutal on my lungs/throat.

the reason it doesn't fuck you up is cause you're used to it.

If you want to hold your hits in until the smoke disappears then go for it, but I will get just as high smoking my way, so this seems all together retarded


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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14550444 - 06/02/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I went over that in the original post




You need to learn how to summarize motherfucker, this is the Internet not the library. I ain't reading all that shit.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14550448 - 06/02/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I went over that in the original post




You need to learn how to summarize motherfucker, this is the Internet not the library. I ain't reading all that shit.




Dude, breathing in more air while holding in a bong hit is a COMPLICATED concept to explain.

You know what else gets you higher? Taking another hit of weed. :bonghit:


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