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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14547720 - 06/01/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I may be mad but I'm no liar.

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14547795 - 06/01/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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But yeah, paying that much for a video conference is kinda fucking crazy. Pinchbeck is a bit of a jizzmop when it comes to this sort of stuff. Always arranging expensive fucking aya retreats, workshops, etc. I'm sorry but I'm not THAT privileged and white that I'll pay that much money to listen to someone TALK about drugs, or travel to another country to do drugs that I could just as easily order in the mail.

This generation of psychedelic gurus is pretty disappointing.




for real!!! i share the same sentiments about Pinchbeck and the current crop of trust fund windbags.


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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #14549446 - 06/02/11 05:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What exactly is being healed?




Your mom.


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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14549799 - 06/02/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What exactly is being healed?




Your mom.




You know, that's exactly what I was going to say... great minds think alike. :fonz:

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14549990 - 06/02/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for proving my point.


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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #14550237 - 06/02/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanks for proving my point.




There's a point in that nonsequitur? Why can't you prove it yourself? :confused:


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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14550965 - 06/02/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Your mom.





I see your mom and raise you deez nuts.

Gurus for hire were always cock-sucking sycophants of the upper classes. This is nothing new.


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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: anonjon] * 3
    #14551017 - 06/02/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

People have no problem spending money on useless clothes or drinks at a bar, but get all up in arms when someone charges something for a project they are putting work, time and information into. If you don't want to pay for the course, don't pay, but save us your bitching.

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 2
    #14551265 - 06/02/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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People have no problem spending money on useless clothes or drinks at a bar, but get all up in arms when someone charges something for a project they are putting work, time and information into. If you don't want to pay for the course, don't pay, but save us your bitching.




What if someone started charging you for web pages, comments, posts, images, sound bites, news stories, poems, quotes, one line jokes?

Information should be free. And humans should be exuberant about freely sharing and communicating our subjective experiences, which save for a few exceptionally gifted or intelligent people, are all universal. Yes, creative works that absorbed the time and energy of the individual artist should be awarded however possible -- and an advanced society should treasure these conceptual commodities over other material things.

However, in the case of materialism, nothing is being hidden from the consumer. What you see is what you get: a stick of deodorant. In this case of these psychedelic lectures, the underlying and operative attraction is that these individuals somehow possess a more unique truth or perspective than anyone else. Kudos that they are being proactive and organizing conferences, workshops, websites, video chats, etc. If they can make a living off of it by enticing other people who can afford to pay for it, good for them.

But a more noble intellectual will freely admit that their version of the truth is just as much horse shit and flawed as anyone else's. Furthermore, a more noble spiritualist will spread his or her ideas in a way that maximizes their dissemination, not their profit. If what is truly being exchanged is positive energy and more information about an important subject, there are more efficient ways to proselytize the good word than to reserve your elite wisdom for those willing to pay.


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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: The Whale]
    #14551721 - 06/02/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Before ya know it, people will be charging money for sex.

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: The Whale]
    #14553152 - 06/02/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The Whale said:
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c0sm0nautt said:
People have no problem spending money on useless clothes or drinks at a bar, but get all up in arms when someone charges something for a project they are putting work, time and information into. If you don't want to pay for the course, don't pay, but save us your bitching.




What if someone started charging you for web pages, comments, posts, images, sound bites, news stories, poems, quotes, one line jokes?

Information should be free. And humans should be exuberant about freely sharing and communicating our subjective experiences, which save for a few exceptionally gifted or intelligent people, are all universal. Yes, creative works that absorbed the time and energy of the individual artist should be awarded however possible -- and an advanced society should treasure these conceptual commodities over other material things.

However, in the case of materialism, nothing is being hidden from the consumer. What you see is what you get: a stick of deodorant. In this case of these psychedelic lectures, the underlying and operative attraction is that these individuals somehow possess a more unique truth or perspective than anyone else. Kudos that they are being proactive and organizing conferences, workshops, websites, video chats, etc. If they can make a living off of it by enticing other people who can afford to pay for it, good for them.

But a more noble intellectual will freely admit that their version of the truth is just as much horse shit and flawed as anyone else's. Furthermore, a more noble spiritualist will spread his or her ideas in a way that maximizes their dissemination, not their profit. If what is truly being exchanged is positive energy and more information about an important subject, there are more efficient ways to proselytize the good word than to reserve your elite wisdom for those willing to pay.




I agree in an ideal world all information would be free. I'd imagine if humanity grows up we would live in a society where people work to better society. Unfortunately that is not the case at this moment in time. People are still for the most part selfish and will work for money which they spend, for the most part, on themselves.

D. McKenna is not forcing anyone to pay for his lectures. Similarly, people are not forced to pay tuition and go to college. There is a shit load of free information out their on the internet. I rarely pay for information. I will not be paying to see this video conference. However, if someone is willing to put the time into producing something I won't attack them for charging money for it. There's much larger enemies out their to get emotional about.

I'm with you man. Bring on the information revolution. The snowball is picking up speed. We just aren't there just yet.

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
    #14554726 - 06/03/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"D. McKenna is not forcing anyone to pay for his lectures."

I'm not forcing anyone to read my dissent of his choice of employment. I am, however, putting it here because people get caught up in this nonsense, and maybe if I joke about it someone out there will take their words a little less seriously.

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: xFrockx]
    #14554793 - 06/03/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
"D. McKenna is not forcing anyone to pay for his lectures."

I'm not forcing anyone to read my dissent of his choice of employment. I am, however, putting it here because people get caught up in this nonsense, and maybe if I joke about it someone out there will take their words a little less seriously.




McKenna is an expert in his field, he's bound to have interesting things to say. He's trying to raise money to write a book. I don't see the problem?

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14555815 - 06/03/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

An expert in what, exactly?

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: xFrockx]
    #14555832 - 06/03/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ethnobotany and ethnopharmacology, if I'm not very much mistaken.

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
    #14555845 - 06/03/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There's much larger enemies out their to get emotional about.





Good point.


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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: The Whale]
    #14563105 - 06/05/11 02:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hello all!

Have any Australians payed for this? I tried using my card, 3x, I rang the bank and they said it's not my end. I then attempted to use my friends card, same issue. I'm really quite interested, I even sent an email asking on another method of payment and no reply. :sad: :confused:


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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Lysergic72]
    #14563115 - 06/05/11 02:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In spite of their reputation, the brothers McKenna are not your typical gurus. They're both pretty dedicated to their fields of study. They're not famous because they're PR whores (which they are not), they're famous because they have interesting things to say.

I dunno about Pinchbeck.


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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #14564272 - 06/05/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Pinchbeck believes he's the vessel of a Mayan god. I really wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

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Re: Psychedelic Adventures at the Edge of the Abyss: The Ideas of Terence and Dennis McKenna [Re: Mad_Larkin] * 1
    #14564331 - 06/05/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you read his book you'd see he's very much human, with all the flaws that come with that. I don't like to defend people I don't know personally, but Pinchbeck has done more for the psychedelic community than most of the people flaming him here. His website actually has some pretty sweet articles - all of it brought to you free of charge nonetheless. But hey, I know how fun it is to jump on a hate bandwagon - it's cool to feel like your part of a group.

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