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Mastering the Smokeless Exhale
#14549440 - 06/02/11 05:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay, this IS a long read, but I believe there is actual benefit to the reader, because I have included a step by step guide. I would make a TL;DR version of this post with just the steps on how to do it, but I don't want people hurting themselves through oxygen deprivation. 
Lately I've been noticing that on some of my hits, I exhale very little or no smoke. This always amazes me, and I would like to think it is because my body has literally absorbed it all. 
Now now, I know this isn't unheard of, but I rarely see it mentioned, and especially never when someone asks how best to conserve their weed.
I found this thread worthy because I think I've figured out how to do it with a fairly high success rate, which I will share with you all for the benefit of our community. This may only be possible for seasoned stoners. 
-First, take several deep breaths. This makes it easier to hold it in for longer. Now, clear your lungs of ALL air. You want max capacity. Before I used to start with a bit of oxygen in my lungs, but now I exhale to the point where I can't anymore and my chest sinks in.
-Take a slow roasting, calm hit, all the while also letting in just a bit of oxygen along the way. DO NOT IGNORE THIS!!! Since you cleared your lungs completely already, you will feel the lack of oxygen, it will be harder to hold the hit in, and you are possibly harming your brain.
-You can take a big hit, I still take the same size hits as I always do, which is enforced by the fact that I use a one-hitter pipe 90% of the time (it only fits enough for one fatty toke, and I know when I put too much because it clogs ). BUT do not take such an exaggerated hit that you cannot hold the smoke in. Also do not take such a densely retarded hit that there's no oxygen in it...this either makes The Smokeless Exhale impossible or dangerous to your brain. People always blow out HUGE clouds after holding it in 5 seconds..and they wonder how an eighth lasts them 1-2 days. The worst is they think it's super cool. Okay, maybe if you're hanging with friends/partying it might be, but otherwise it's just "lolol look how much smoke I am NOT absorbing!!!" 
-Okay, the big step. After 10 seconds or so of holding in your oxygen-rich hit, breathe in some MORE air. This will not work if your lungs are bursting, so don't take retard hits. Wait 5 more seconds, breathe more in. Either I'm special or the longer you hold it in, the more oxygen you can eventually breathe in. In my mind, this is pushing the smoke DEEPER into your lungs. Every ~5 seconds, breathe more in. Eventually, and not after too long either, it won't be an effort to hold it because you'll be taking in air also.
-Now, just exhale partially, see if any smoke comes out. Regardless if any does (better safe than sorry, sometimes none appears to come out at first but some will eventually if you keep going), stop and inhale just once more. Wait a bit, exhale. Voila! If done correctly, there should be no smoke and you should be feeling super baked. 
Now now, I know some people will argue against this. I've thought this through:
A lot of people will argue that you do not get higher holding a hit in longer than 10 seconds or so. I think this might be true, BUT you still blow out roughly the same amount of smoke holding it in for 30 vs. 10 seconds. Also, when you blow the smoke out and conserve it in something, or blow it into another person's mouth, it works just about as well. So there MUST be actives in it. Saying your lungs absorb all the actives and the smoke is carcinogens is an ASSUMPTION, one that is false from my observations. There ARE AT LEAST actives in the smoke still: the smoke still works. Even hotboxing would be unpopular if the smoke was bunk. Plus, subjectively, I feel higher. All my muscles are vibrating, and my heart beats considerably (not in a panicky way) on each hit. Note I am smoking sativa, so I feel stimulated, even fucking jittery, but it feels good, like vibrations. 
Disclaimer: First off, I consider myself pretty good at holding smoke in. From a short one hitter, that is, unfiltered, uncooled smoke, I usually hold a hit in about 15-25 seconds, exhale partially, reinhale, hold another ~15 and release....AKA ghosting, fairly common and should be practiced by all IMO. I am in decent shape (not trying to be humble, I used to be more athletic and that was great shape, now it is just good) and I have pretty good lung capacity, can hold my breath minute+, etc. This is just important to mention because I'm not sure you could pull off The Smokeless Exhale without good holding ability in the first place. Also, I always let a bit of air in with my hits, cooling it down significantly. Heat is not related to lung capacity. 
Another word of caution, do not do this with tobacco in your weed, either mixed in or in a blunt wrap. I also reckon this would be impossible or super hard to do with extremely thick smoke, like a lot of SUPER dank hash. Holding those hits in for too long feels like death, your lungs feel like they're caving in. Be careful with how toasted this gets you, too.
Try this out. I am almost too high. I'm fucking twitching, random muscles are spazzing out and shit (man I love sativas!!). Look how much I babbled.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14549474 - 06/02/11 05:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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tl;dr
you can do a smokeless exhale by just holding the smoke for ages.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#14549498 - 06/02/11 05:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DosileFlynn said: tl;dr
you can do a smokeless exhale by just holding the smoke for ages.
If this is so obvious why does nobody ever post it when people ask for tips on conserving weed? It's like even just taking a hit, it may be as simple as "put smoking device to lips, light, inhale, exhale" but you see people torching their weed completely, packing huge bowls where the last half of the hits taste burnt as fuck, not holding it in at all, etc. It's an art, and holding it in is part of it, a huge part! If you tell someone to simply "hold the smoke for ages," they're likely to take a non-oxygen enriched hit, be unable to hold it for longer than 20 seconds, feeling like passing out and eventually just exhaling all the smoke by force anyway. They won't get any higher, they'll probably start coughing too from trying to hold in a bursting lungful of hotass weed smoke for 30+ seconds. Then these people will say that holding it for longer than 5 seconds doesn't get you more baked.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14549512 - 06/02/11 05:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Smokeless exhale is gay.
Breathing through the nose directly after/while taking a hit = win.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#14549569 - 06/02/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DosileFlynn said: tl;dr
you can do a smokeless exhale by just holding the smoke for ages.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Enjoywho] 1
#14549576 - 06/02/11 06:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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nah c'mon someone converse with him , he's put alot of effort into it. i'm just to lazy to digest it all.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#14549639 - 06/02/11 06:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DosileFlynn said: nah c'mon someone converse with him , he's put alot of effort into it. i'm just to lazy to digest it all.

It's alright, I'm used to being ignored. 
Although honestly, if the OP takes you longer than 10 minutes to read, you might want to practice reading. With books. And honestly, what kind of a useless response is tl;dr? The post is so long that instead of reading something with actual content, you're going to skip it and continue to read endless one liners and emoticons instead...all day. Essentially still reading something, just with a lot less thought put into it.
I'm still very high from the smokeless exhale I took while writing this thread. I can still feel my heart beating excessively hard. I used to think people were bullshitting when they said they got high that long from one toke, either that or they have a very low tolerance. Ya know, people who brag about having a high tolerance piss me off. That's like a fat person bragging about how much food it takes them to get full. Maybe they think they're better at smoking if they smoke more weed. Maybe an obese person thinks he's better at eating than everybody else, too.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14549662 - 06/02/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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posting to read later
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14549678 - 06/02/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK i've just read everything.
I don't smoke anymore but i was a megga bong head back in the day, so i'm rather knowledgeable about smoking.
It's a good method, and actually your method gets the most out of the substance your smoking. A similar user on here posted a similar method of smoking DMT, whereby you make yourself hyperventilate beforehand and starve yourself of air before you inhale the active smoke/vapor. and this gives you the most efficiency from whatever drug you are smoking. it will give you the strongest effects possible from the smallest ammount of the product.
But the only two things i have against this method are:
(1) it seems like it will be a rather large effort every time you are having a cone to do this. sure it will conserve weed, but it will be alot of extra work, which frankly, when im high as shit, i can't really be bothered doing. i'd rather just pull a nice relaxed cone , and exhale comfortably, as opposed to collapsing my lungs, inhaling to 80% capacity, and holding for as long as i can and taking extra breathes. but to each their own. its your weed, you can smoke it how you like. 
(2) i'm unsure on the 'optimum' hold time for any smoke/vapor that will give the lungs enough time to absorb majority, or all of the smoke/vapor before exhaling. because thats really the main goal here. where thats 10seconds, 30 seconds, or a minute. I would be alot more inclined to try this method with something that is Vaporized, and not smoked. **now this is unsubstantiated** but i believe that inhaling something that has been burned and smoked, i.e. a cone, will have all of the excess ash and dirty stuff in the smoke, regardless of how many chambers you have on your bong and filters and what not. for this reason, i dont really want to hold the smoke in my lungs for very long, out of fear of carsinogens and whatnot. however i don't imagine this same problem occuring with vaporized material.
also i don't think there is a risk of brain damage or anythign as a result from holding your breathe for too long or anything, regardless of what smoking method one chooses.
it's not that i cant read; i can actually read rather well. i was just lazy thats all. but kudos to you for putting alot of effort into this thread and your discussions. thats a great thing
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Micawber]
#14549687 - 06/02/11 06:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol ur lungs only take it in for 7 secs and stop, but taking in more o2 restarts the process.
lol i do it allll the time
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ShadOWCrack]
#14549716 - 06/02/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I passed out from a huge hit a few weeks ago. Not fun.
When i woke up i could not remember what happened and i was soooo high!
I was freaking out
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Locky]
#14549762 - 06/02/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I used to do something similar religiously. I still clear the air out of my lungs before inhaling and such but holding for more than 5 seconds seems like a waste of lung to me. All you're getting is oxygen deprivation, even if you're sipping in more. And I get super baked . One thing I've noticed about smoking weed is your body pretty quickly seems to adjust to the levels of THC you put in it too. I.E., if you actually did get more from killing your lungs then you'd always have to do that to get stoned and if you always did the normal 3-7 second thing you'd never know the difference. Hope that made sense.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#14549788 - 06/02/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DosileFlynn said: OK i've just read everything.
I don't smoke anymore but i was a megga bong head back in the day, so i'm rather knowledgeable about smoking.
It's a good method, and actually your method gets the most out of the substance your smoking. A similar user on here posted a similar method of smoking DMT, whereby you make yourself hyperventilate beforehand and starve yourself of air before you inhale the active smoke/vapor. and this gives you the most efficiency from whatever drug you are smoking. it will give you the strongest effects possible from the smallest ammount of the product.
But the only two things i have against this method are:
(1) it seems like it will be a rather large effort every time you are having a cone to do this. sure it will conserve weed, but it will be alot of extra work, which frankly, when im high as shit, i can't really be bothered doing. i'd rather just pull a nice relaxed cone , and exhale comfortably, as opposed to collapsing my lungs, inhaling to 80% capacity, and holding for as long as i can and taking extra breathes. but to each their own. its your weed, you can smoke it how you like. 
(2) i'm unsure on the 'optimum' hold time for any smoke/vapor that will give the lungs enough time to absorb majority, or all of the smoke/vapor before exhaling. because thats really the main goal here. where thats 10seconds, 30 seconds, or a minute. I would be alot more inclined to try this method with something that is Vaporized, and not smoked. **now this is unsubstantiated** but i believe that inhaling something that has been burned and smoked, i.e. a cone, will have all of the excess ash and dirty stuff in the smoke, regardless of how many chambers you have on your bong and filters and what not. for this reason, i dont really want to hold the smoke in my lungs for very long, out of fear of carsinogens and whatnot. however i don't imagine this same problem occuring with vaporized material.
also i don't think there is a risk of brain damage or anythign as a result from holding your breathe for too long or anything, regardless of what smoking method one chooses.
it's not that i cant read; i can actually read rather well. i was just lazy thats all. but kudos to you for putting alot of effort into this thread and your discussions. thats a great thing 
First off, it surprises me that you don't smoke anymore, especially considering your avatar. Second of all, I didn't mean to insult you or anybody for reading the Shroomery all day. Hell, I read Shroomery all day, I just mainly lurk. Any enjoyable use of time is a-okay in my book. Finally, I didn't mean to insult you and your reading/writing ability in specific, even though it might have sounded like that. I just like to write using a general "you" and "your," probably because it's convenient (also convincing, probably because people start to feel like you've figured them out personally). I think it's called second person perspective. With that in mind...
I'm sorry, but you (niggas in this thread ) cannot tell me that this is so obvious and common sense that a whole bunch of people never even considered doing this when they post threads about how weed is so expensive, that they burn through an eighth in a day. People so desperate to smoke that instead of taking a tolerance break, they scrape their pieces and smoke the resin. I realllllllly doubt a smokeless exhale is more damaging to your lungs than "resin," a euphemism for tar. Yet when people REALLY want to get high, they smoke resin all day. They don't give a single fuck really. I can't even hold in resin for longer than 5 seconds, just due to the psychological factor that I'm putting that into my lungs (okay, the taste is awful too).
Weed is fucking expensive. So to me this is worth doing, of course not all the time. Sometimes I get so lazy I don't even hold it for 10 seconds, or I cough out all the smoke from inhaling way too much. To me, it is much less effort to hold my weed in perfectly than it is to earn the money to buy it. Yeah we have medical in Cali but the dankest is still $60 an eighth. From my estimation, only certain areas of Canada have similar quality bud for much cheaper. National medical is the shit, BTW. Props to Cannada. 
Good mention on the hyperventilation thing. I don't know if I hyperventilate per se, but I definitely always make sure to take several large, deep breaths before attempting one of these smokeless exhales. But I'm just a shallow breather when I'm not paying attention to it. :/
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14549793 - 06/02/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol i feel ya brah, iam doing it ATM

it lasts longer IMO
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ShadOWCrack]
#14549804 - 06/02/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll try it once again just for you, but I hold no high hopes. For the record, I don't smoke resin either.. that shit gets washed out with alcohol. I can wait until I have buds again.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: saxcidjazz]
#14549817 - 06/02/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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maestroelite said: I used to do something similar religiously. I still clear the air out of my lungs before inhaling and such but holding for more than 5 seconds seems like a waste of lung to me. All you're getting is oxygen deprivation, even if you're sipping in more. And I get super baked . One thing I've noticed about smoking weed is your body pretty quickly seems to adjust to the levels of THC you put in it too. I.E., if you actually did get more from killing your lungs then you'd always have to do that to get stoned and if you always did the normal 3-7 second thing you'd never know the difference. Hope that made sense.
This is a good point, and really just a problem with tolerance in general. But I find it helps if you stop smoking once you realize you're already high (to me, weed has a ceiling, unless you just came off a tolerance break, when more psychedelic shit starts to happen). So instead of taking 3-4 regular hits within an hour, like I usually do, one of these would last me an hour, and I wouldn't smoke more until the intensity faded. Some people like to smoke through their whole stash in a single run, though, and they don't tend to get much higher. BUT this is a GREAT way to smoke if you only do it, say, once a week. Because then your tolerance is low enough to not hit the ceiling.
Really, this is just a method to conserve weed, not get higher, at least not for very long as yes, your body would acclimate to it. Although I'm sure if you took a bunch of these hits, you might get violently high...but then you're just raping your tolerance. I bust out the hash when I want that.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14549842 - 06/02/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're holding your inhales for more than 20-30 seconds, especially consistently and consecutively you are damaging your body and potentially your brain.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Humility]
#14549871 - 06/02/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Disagree. Hold your breath for 30 seconds (or as long as it takes to get your lungs to start feeling weird). Now, breathe in more oxygen. Do you still feel as breathless? Obviously you still have to exhale the carbon dioxide, which is what is being exhaled on a smokeless exhale, instead of all that expensive smoke.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14549929 - 06/02/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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This sounds like bad news...
Just buy some quality weed, take a normal hit and be blazed as fuck. It doesn't take me more than a single hit of top shelf herb to be totally blazed.
Or, buy shwag, hold it in your lungs for 2 hours while fucking them up. I mean, it seems like common sense that holding smoke in your lungs to a "smokeless exhale" is not healthy.
I usually either vaporize or use a bong and hold the hit for like 5-10 seconds max. It has never failed me...
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14549930 - 06/02/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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On a documentary on how weed works they said that the chemicals from the smoke that you need to get high are absorbed immediately so holding it in longer doesn't get you any higher. I just breath it in and blow it straight out. No point giving yourself an aneurysm.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Subconscious]
#14549937 - 06/02/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It doesn't take me more than a single hit of top shelf herb to be totally blazed
I know right. One reason I would like to see it legalized is so I could buy weaker strains. I don't need Everclear every time, sometimes I just want a beer or a glass of wine.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#14549988 - 06/02/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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A single hit of top shelf blazes me for 10-20 minutes, some strains one hit doesn't give much of any effect. I just got 2 HOURS OFF THIS SHIT. I can post pictures of the strains I smoke, if you're gonna play "the my weed is danker" than yours game. A more accurate comparison is hash is Everclear (at least the blonde stuff, earwax, BHO, water hash, etc.), buds are beer and wine. I would never purposely buy a weak strain, but I guess my tolerance is fucked from living in California (tolerance sucks, don't do it).
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TheFakeSunRa said: On a documentary on how weed works they said that the chemicals from the smoke that you need to get high are absorbed immediately so holding it in longer doesn't get you any higher. I just breath it in and blow it straight out. No point giving yourself an aneurysm.
I went over that in the original post. Test the weed you blow out, it still has actives in it, even if it's not as much as the original toke. I'm not so sure how miraculous the lungs are, that they immediately know what's good for them or not, so much so that they only absorb the actives and the smoke is just "carcinogens." Why do all the toxins in cigarettes fuck up people's lungs, if the lungs are THAT efficient/awesome?
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14550092 - 06/02/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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KingEmblem said: I went over that in the original post. :
And there was little evidence to support your claims in the original post.
Most systematic studies have shown that plasma blood levels of THC, and subjective ratings don't change by holding your breath. Essentially, the best your method doing is keeping the lung tissue in contact with tar for an extended period of time.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
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Sorry I didn't read the whole thread but I just wanted to ask a question about the topic.
I've heard that your lungs absorb something around 95% of THC/Cannabinoids in smoke in roughly 3-5 seconds. Therefore holding your hits in until you exhale no smoke seems A) Pointless B) Incredibly detrimental to the health of your lungs... So does it really even make any sense to do a smokeless exhale?
Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know, but thats how I've smoked ever since I heard it and I get high as fuck and only hold hits for 3-5 seconds. Besides, one of the best parts of smoking is feeling all that smoke in your lungs and pushing it up out of your body and watching that sweet cloud fill the air around you. Maybe thats just me though
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Equipto]
#14550182 - 06/02/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my mind, that is due to the fact that the smoke sticks to all possible receptors quickly, essentially not allowing the rest of the smoke to get absorbed. This explains why, when taking a normal hit, you blow out a cloud roughly the same size from holding it 10 or 30 seconds. Perhaps the intake of fresh oxygen clears them? Regardless, you do not blow any smoke out. The smoke got absorbed, this is logically impossible otherwise. Now, the question is, is that smoke full of actives? I say yes. People store the smoke they blow out for a second hit when they're low on weed. People kiss and transfer hits like that, and it works. So in my mind, it's not the amount of time held that matters necessarily, but the amount you absorb, and consequently, the amount you exhale. I think I have a decent picture of what's going on physiologically.
Try it, decide for yourself. I'm glad you at least included the possibility that the 5 second study (if it exists) is bullshit. I know what works for me, regardless of science, which is very biased and hard to work with when it comes to illegal substances. I can tell you, that having held my hits in long always, that if I blew out the smoke immediately, like what happens when I accidentally take a too-big hit, I feel close to nothing. I just feel like an idiot for not even holding the smoke 10 seconds.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Equipto]
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Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know.
There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.
OP's claims are unsubstantiated. It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup. Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: badchad]
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Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know.
There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.
OP's claims are unsubstantiated. It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup. Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.
You talk about the masses like we're a bunch of retards.
I like to think most of the people on the Shroomery know most of these facts as they've been well documented for quite some time. I remember reading that information back when I started smoking in the 90s.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: badchad]
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Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know.
There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.
OP's claims are unsubstantiated. It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup. Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.
If only this was just "breath holding" you might be right. You might also make a more convincing argument if you could read.
I see science is your religion. No sense talking to somebody who trusts a bunch of guys he doesn't know over how HE feels when he takes a drug.
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Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know.
There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.
OP's claims are unsubstantiated. It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup. Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.
If only this was just "breath holding" you might be right. You might also make a more convincing argument if you could read.
I see science is your religion. No sense talking to somebody who trusts a bunch of guys he doesn't know over how HE feels when he takes a drug.
Let's just say that you only absorb 90% of the THC within 5 seconds.
You're holding in the tar and other carcinogens just to chase after the remaining 10%.
I mean, if you're hard up for weed, I guess... Myself, I'll just take another hit.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
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So now your claim is that a small inhale, followed by inhaling oxygen is somehow different than "breath holding"?
You clearly have no understanding of the most basic physiological concepts of lung function, or pharmacology. This is most evident by your hypothesis of "maybe oxygen clears the receptors"?
Science is not my religion, but systematically collected, well documented data certainly trump a poorly written post that makes little sense in the first place.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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Now maybe that 95% shit was made up, I don't know.
There have been at least three published studies supporting the calim that breath holding does nothing.
OP's claims are unsubstantiated. It's likely that holding your breath only causes increased lung irritation and tar buildup. Pretty poor advice to give to the masses.
If only this was just "breath holding" you might be right. You might also make a more convincing argument if you could read.
I see science is your religion. No sense talking to somebody who trusts a bunch of guys he doesn't know over how HE feels when he takes a drug.
Let's just say that you only absorb 90% of the THC within 5 seconds.
You're holding in the tar and other carcinogens just to chase after the remaining 10%.
I mean, if you're hard up for weed, I guess... Myself, I'll just take another hit.
That's a big if and not one I believe. The difference does not feel like a negligible 10% difference. The fact is, the smoke got absorbed. Everything else is opinion, such as the percent of actives in exhaled smoke, which is easily confounded by belief/disbelief, placebo effect, etc.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: badchad]
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So now your claim is that a small inhale, followed by inhaling oxygen is somehow different than "breath holding"?
You clearly have no understanding of the most basic physiological concepts of lung function, or pharmacology. This is most evident by your hypothesis of "maybe oxygen clears the receptors"?
Science is not my religion, but systematically collected, well documented data certainly trump a poorly written post that makes little sense in the first place.
My level of toast trumps your disbelief, and science. 
Yes, that is my claim. The continued inhalation of oxygen is the whole difference.
This is reminding me of the "bake your weed on low temperature for extra potency" debate, where a bunch of people agree and disagree (although so far I've only seen agreeable posts from people who have actually tried it or have already been smoking that way). Low temp. baking, in my mind works as well, better with certain bud than others, just it has several drawbacks, like the loss of flavor/aroma. It just seems to convert THC into CBD as well, making your bud "heavier" and more couch locking, not necessarily more potent. Smokeless exhalation has no drawback except inconvenience (damage to health is speculative). Oh well, it's impossible to get some people to try anything new.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
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so much in this thread.
holding your hits in for an excessively long period of time doesn't do anything. all you want is the THC, and most of it gets absorbed pretty quickly.
honestly, I have tried holding my hits in for a loong time and all it ever did was make me light headed.
I get just as high golding in my hits for 5-10 seconds (10 secs MAX) as i do torturing my body by holding it for 30+ seconds.
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People always blow out HUGE clouds after holding it in 5 seconds..and they wonder how an eighth lasts them 1-2 days. The worst is they think it's super cool. Okay, maybe if you're hanging with friends/partying it might be, but otherwise it's just "lolol look how much smoke I am NOT absorbing!!!" 
yet they still get baked...hmmmmm
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Now now, I know some people will argue against this. I've thought this through:
A lot of people will argue that you do not get higher holding a hit in longer than 10 seconds or so. I think this might be true, BUT you still blow out roughly the same amount of smoke holding it in for 30 vs. 10 seconds. Also, when you blow the smoke out and conserve it in something, or blow it into another person's mouth, it works just about as well. So there MUST be actives in it. Saying your lungs absorb all the actives and the smoke is carcinogens is an ASSUMPTION, one that is false from my observations. There ARE AT LEAST actives in the smoke still: the smoke still works. Even hotboxing would be unpopular if the smoke was bunk. Plus, subjectively, I feel higher. All my muscles are vibrating, and my heart beats considerably (not in a panicky way) on each hit. Note I am smoking sativa, so I feel stimulated, even fucking jittery, but it feels good, like vibrations.
you "feel" higher because you've convinced yourself that you are actually getting higher. Truth is you aren't.
LOL "Saying your lungs absorb all the actives and the smoke is carcinogens is an ASSUMPTION, one that is false from my observations."
you've done studies? or is your subjective research the fact that you "feel" waay higher, man?

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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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See, that's how you know you're doing it wrong, that you describe it as "torture" to hold it 30+ seconds. Lack of oxygen. To me it honestly feels very "zen," if you will. There's something about the perfection of it, of near 0 waste.
lol, dude, you really don't think I've never heard of the placebo effect? How do you know a "potent" strain of weed is getting you more baked than usual? Do you have studies on its cannabinoid percentages in comparison to weed you usually smoke? Or is it subjective?
I'm a skeptic. I don't believe in hard facts, at all. I might believe them for convenience reasons, but somewhere along the line something is unknown. Like the base of existence where everything is rooted. Personal facts are the only type that exist in my mind. It is a fact that this gets me higher.
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The only difference is that this isn't really a debate. There's science showing what decarboxylation does to marijuana.
Have fun holding your breath in. Because regardless of whether or not you're taking a little more oxygen in, that's essentially all you're doing.
You can also spin around in a chair really fast to TRIP BALLS. Personal fact.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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The only difference is that this isn't really a debate. There's science showing what decarboxylation does to marijuana.
Have fun holding your breath in. Because regardless of whether or not you're taking a little more oxygen in, that's essentially all you're doing.
You can also spin around in a chair really fast to TRIP BALLS. Personal fact.
Science or not, find one of those threads and see not only how many people say it does nothing (except "ruin" the weed), but how many people flat our refuse to even try it. Although of course there's a 90% chance now that since you spoke out against it you won't feel anything, or at least you won't admit it, because the ego is a fragile thing.
Well, dude, to be honest, if that makes you actually trip balls and not say, get nauseous, dizzy and vomit, congrats. You must be a lightweight. I've tried it (a lot as a kid, especially!) and it to me, I just get dizzy. Smokeless exhalation, on the other hand, .
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
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That's cool. Not that I have the healthiest lungs in the world, but I'm sure it to smokeless exhale then climb up a mountain! Right? Mmm... tar...
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lol, dude, you really don't think I've never heard of the placebo effect? How do you know a "potent" strain of weed is getting you more baked than usual? Do you have studies on its cannabinoid percentages in comparison to weed you usually smoke? Or is it subjective?
I'm a skeptic. I don't believe in hard facts, at all. I might believe them for convenience reasons, but somewhere along the line something is unknown. Like the base of existence where everything is rooted. Personal facts are the only type that exist in my mind. It is a fact that this gets me higher.

no...i know how to smoke weed and even using this "technique" of yours, it's brutal on my lungs/throat.
the reason it doesn't fuck you up is cause you're used to it.
If you want to hold your hits in until the smoke disappears then go for it, but I will get just as high smoking my way, so this seems all together retarded
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
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I went over that in the original post
You need to learn how to summarize motherfucker, this is the Internet not the library. I ain't reading all that shit.
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I went over that in the original post
You need to learn how to summarize motherfucker, this is the Internet not the library. I ain't reading all that shit.
Dude, breathing in more air while holding in a bong hit is a COMPLICATED concept to explain.
You know what else gets you higher? Taking another hit of weed.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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Mountain climbing or any physical activity feels great with some sativa. 
You like resin? I smoke it sometimes too (I never scrape, I just apply flame to the resin in the pipe). It definitely gets you baked, no debate there. I just find the taste nasty. There's no proof it's worse for your lungs, either. It's a very "couchlock" type of buzz from my experience, probably due to it being mostly the decarboxylated byproducts of THC.
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I hate resin. I live in California. Not very hard to get weed anywhere. Really no need for me to smoke resin. 
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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You need to learn how to summarize motherfucker, this is the Internet not the library. I ain't reading all that shit.
Dude, breathing in more air while holding in a bong hit is a COMPLICATED concept to explain.
You know what else gets you higher? Taking another hit of weed. 
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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I don't get how other true statements, such as more weed = more high, disproves my little theory. I'm glad you can buy as much weed as you want. I'm a broke college student and I have been searching for ways to get more baked off the same amount, so I was pretty excited to discover this. Still am.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
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I don't get how other true statements, such as more weed = more high, disproves my little theory.
I didn't say it does. I just think it's funny. While you're asphyxiating yourself we're just calmly loading another bowl.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
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You should watch the calm I do this with, it's 0 struggle at this point. Technically loading another hit is more effort.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
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lol placebo dude... you aren't getting any higher than us
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
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Well, those other true statements aren't what disprove your theory. Science is what disproves your theory.
"No sense talking to somebody who trusts a bunch of guys he doesn't know over how HE feels when he takes a drug." Yes, because accepting one man's subjective opinion is much more appealing than accepting an objective scientific test with multiple subjects and numerous controls.
"That's a big if and not one I believe." Great. This isn't like a debatable theory like evolution. I mean, creationists are dumb, but at least evolution is not really provable. We're talking about tangible medical studies that you can go read! If you want to poke holes in the methods of the studies, that's one thing. But to just disregard them completely gives everyone here no basis for arguing with you.
And if you're not going to accept science, then I guess you should just steer clear of hospitals for the rest of your life. Also, steer clear of just about every modern invention and convenience you have because they were all made possible by science.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Anthony917]
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It would be silly to compare my "level of high" with anybody else's. 
Why so hostile against it? Calling me a tard and everything multiple times for a post that was, at least in my opinion, well-written and thought out. Are you afraid it works? You don't have to do it everytime, it's okay. Quote:
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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man i dont care what science says....I'M GETTIN SOO HIGH RIGHT NAW BRO!! 
edit: just for lulz...i just smoked a bowl of the same weed i've been smoking for about a week now, making sure to hold in my hits until i can no longer tolerate it, and I'm higher than I've ever been...
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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ifoundwaldo said: Well, those other true statements aren't what disprove your theory. Science is what disproves your theory.
"No sense talking to somebody who trusts a bunch of guys he doesn't know over how HE feels when he takes a drug." Yes, because accepting one man's subjective opinion is much more appealing than accepting an objective scientific test with multiple subjects and numerous controls.
"That's a big if and not one I believe." Great. This isn't like a debatable theory like evolution. I mean, creationists are dumb, but at least evolution is not really provable. We're talking about tangible medical studies that you can go read! If you want to poke holes in the methods of the studies, that's one thing. But to just disregard them completely gives everyone here no basis for arguing with you.
And if you're not going to accept science, then I guess you should just steer clear of hospitals for the rest of your life. Also, steer clear of just about every modern invention and convenience you have because they were all made possible by science.
Science doesn't disprove my method at all, since I'm pretty sure the studies only compared static holding time. If you find me a study where one person blows it all out and the other blows out zero smoke, and then you have separate "believer" and "nonbeliever" groups to rule out placebo (impossible to rule out, BTW, I don't think a lot of you get this).
I'm not expecting anyone to take my opinion as fact, or even over science. I'm asking people to try it with a clear mind, no preconceptions, negativity, and see if it works for them personally. I don't see why people have to come in and throw studies (with no links to boot) vs. my opinion before trying it. BTW if I wanted to be completely bored of two pages of people asking for "proof" (like that exists) I would go to PSP. This is backwards, you're building up expectations and changing the experience 100%. And a bunch of you just come in hostile. Use my method, the angry guys could use the extra boost.
I like science, much better than religion, but what people fail to understand is that it isn't perfect or absolute. That's unavoidable, but studies are often completely biased in the favor of whoever funded them (especially drug studies, shouldn't have to remind you guys here), or there is sampling bias, interpretation bias, etc. The same set of data can be interpreted by two scientists to come up with two polar opposite conclusions. I trust myself over science. Go with what makes you feel safe, though.
I'm not going to debate this anymore. I've found that when people are really insistent on trying to convince somebody, they're often just trying to convince themselves. So I'm done. I believe it 100%. I've done this all day and only take a toke every 2-3 hours, the length is the best part. It works consistently for my body. And they stopped posting, but some people agreed with me, so I'm glad to have at least helped out somebody. Keep in mind that I made the OP on a whim, I'm not trying to sell you anything or trying to convince you you're wrong, so I don't get the offense a few took to this. There's a whole bunch of close minded people here, more than I thought. Very disappointing for what this community is founded on. I guess a whole bunch of people here stopped tripping years ago, though.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14552218 - 06/02/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread is stupid. No point in holding your hits in that long. You haven't discovered some new method, sorry. 
Take it to the next level and exhale into a balloon and re-inhale.  
Have fun getting high from Carbon dioxide.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: KingEmblem]
#14552234 - 06/02/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I am open minded, but I am also logical.
If someone told me that huffing gasoline before taking a bong hit got me higher, I'd laugh and wouldn't waste my time trying it. This isn't because I'm not open minded, mind you.
Similar situation here.
Also, I think most of the people here still trip.
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Re: Mastering the Smokeless Exhale [Re: Enjoywho]
#14552866 - 06/02/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my own opinion this just sounds idiotic and unhealthy.
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