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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Icelander]
    #14546406 - 06/01/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

For someone who has never tried a drug like meth to suddenly decide that it's a good idea simply for no reason other than that it's no longer illegal is nobody's mistake to make but that person.  That is a stupid decision and it has stupid consequences.  For one thing treatment centers, therapy, and drug awareness programs should probably be beefed up to be able to handle these complicated and confusing issues intelligently.  I think that should happen before opening the floodgates for everyone who wants to "do something illegal" and not get in trouble.  Namely teenagers.  I don't think legalizing every substance across the board would trigger a massive increase in drug intake, in fact it may decrease the desperate and negligent use of computer duster and bath salts and other such substances by teenagers.  I'm sure if it were to happen, some similarly rigid system would come in to take the place of criminalization, in order to reduce the risks posed by a lack of good judgment.

Edited by GoreyLarson (06/01/11 06:54 PM)

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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: GoreyLarson]
    #14546646 - 06/01/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My escape route is the Netherlands, South Africa, or Portugal - family ties ensure a wide range of options. :yesnod:

I also have family in the UK but it seems like if anything they're a good deal farther up the security-state ladder.


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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14546785 - 06/01/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't see any reason why some substances should be illegal for scientific study.  What good does that do for anyone involved?  It just insures that we won't come to terms with the true potential of any of those substances any time soon.

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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Diploid]
    #14547000 - 06/01/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When your parents pass on, you could start a shroomery commune down there. I will tend the garden and the initiation ceremonies.


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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14547292 - 06/01/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You'll find me in the mountains of Peru :trippnballs:


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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: don_vedo]
    #14547304 - 06/01/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In Peru they spike the baby's milk bottle with cactus juice.



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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14547322 - 06/01/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:laugh2: ^^^ :laugh2:


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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14547349 - 06/01/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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When your parents pass on, you could start a shroomery commune down there. I will tend the garden and the initiation ceremonies.




I can... umm... do a lot of drugs and freeload?


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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Diploid]
    #14547838 - 06/01/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd love to see pics of that, 50k for a million dollar home is a steal.


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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: TheCreampie]
    #14548569 - 06/01/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

As long as people aren't running around in the streets stabbing and shooting random bypassers, I don't see what the big deal is.  People should be able to live their lives however they please.  The government could probably even make a decent amount of revenue off of legal drug sales.

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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: TigerShark]
    #14549257 - 06/02/11 03:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Drugs is a health issue, not a criminal issue.  We need to treat drug addiction as a mental health issue.


Locking people up for possessing plant matter (many drugs are plants) and prohibiting the life of an organism is what i would consider morally corrupt.  Whether the drug is from a plant or made in a lab drugs both do the same thing, they alter how a person thinks and feels.  I think banning something that changes how people think and feel is controlling the minds of people.  If we are limiting what others can experience, think and feel... then they are going to have a limited view of the world.  I think depriving someone from experiencing new thoughts, new ideas and new experiences is wrong in my eyes... No harm, no foul.

Also it's no one else's business but my own when it comes to what i do to my body, what i put in it and how i run my brain.


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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14549354 - 06/02/11 04:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you could say that and I agree all the way through, though I don't know what all of it means (moral, what is that?)

however we all have a limited view of the world and this particular view gets stored in memory through time and is what we all use as basis for decision-making
some people have a lot of power
they have been chosen by the people to lead, because the people really think that they are the best candidates to choose from
of course they are all (almost) ignorant as to what drugs do
the most important thing to know about psychs is that they extend the fading of brain signals - I really wish more people would see that

we all do what we immediately and spontaneously think is right
the basis that is our background is beyond us


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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Icelander]
    #14551414 - 06/02/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Simms said:
This isn't even debate. Because the most basic assumption you are making, is a simple BELIEF that anarchy = chaos.


Assumptions aren't bad if they are based on something, unlike your baseless assumption that anarchy does not = chaos. Actually, it's not baseless, because it's based on the logical fallacy called "wishful thinking".


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Assumptions come from one persons current mindset, which speaks that human mind has not progressed much over the 10 000 years, so you think it needs to be put in prison. The only logical next step to this is death -- is that what you want?"

Ok, I rephrase it because you seem to be too blindfolded by your assumptions and accusations:
Assumptions, that anarchy = chaos, come from current mindset, of fear, as described in previous statements. This aspect basically tells us, that human mind has not progressed much at all, if such fear of total freedom has existed over 10 000 years. This raises the question: Are we actually progressing towards more imprisonment? You say that humans are bad, and they will do bad things in freedom, therefore they need to be in prison. The next logical progression for imprisonment is death punishment. Should humans abort their existence? Is this your vision of progression?


I think that society is progressing towards giving its citizens as much freedoms as possible while having as much security as necessary.


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I simply do not believe that total anarchy = total chaos.


I know that, you don't believe that simply because you don't want to. I seriously can't believe there is a single person on this planet who does not foresee chaos resulting from total anarchy..this deserves a tard graemlin:

:tard:


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The second big assumption you made, was that I believe same things you do, or things you believe I believe.


Where did I make this assumption?


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This is a debate oriented philosophy forum. Philosophical debate is oriented towards ideas, not wordings.


What the hell is the difference?


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And looking many of your posts, I am beginning to think that you don't even try to understand the idea, its just a debate competition for you... Forgive me if I am wrong.


If it's a debate competition for me, then how am I not trying to understand the idea? How can I debate an idea without trying to understand it? That doesn't make any sense.

You're just getting pissy because I disagree with you..happens a lot in this forum, just know that you are that type of guy. :grin:



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Should humans abort their existence? Is this your vision of progression?

Frankly...yes.

I simply do not believe that total anarchy = total chaos.

So lets say I'm bigger stronger and very hungry but there is a very limited amount of food.  You have a nice juicy steak and I'm going to take it every time even though you will starve.  Pure anarchy reigns. What is going to stop me from beating the shit out of you if you resist?


And what's going to stop all the rich, powerful, and resourceful people from enslaving the poor, and powerless?


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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Poid]
    #14553047 - 06/02/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: All drugs should be legalised... debate. [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14553067 - 06/02/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

^^^Yeah made my brother all excited.

The US drug czar came back saying the report is flawed...making marijuana more available would make the crime go up.

I just :rofl: at that.  MORE available?  As opposed to what? 

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