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Thoughts on this mono?
    #14548012 - 06/01/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Started spawning 5/29. whats your thoughts and ideas on these guys... The one with less popping through had a 1/2inch pure coir/verm laid on top


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14548029 - 06/01/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

first one looks great, second one needs more time me thinks


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14548040 - 06/01/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Looking good, expose to Fruiting conditions.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: MycoPron]
    #14548100 - 06/01/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

no.

absolutely do NOT expose to fruiting conditions.

You Spawned to bulk 3 days ago. They're totally not even close to ready.

You need to let them consolidate for 3-4 days anyways.

Neither of those are fully colonized anyways.

Also, during colonization, don't take off the lid to check on them. Just peak through the clear side. You're exposing it to too much AE when you take off the lid.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14548219 - 06/01/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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first one looks great, second one needs more time me thinks




this.

never hurts to let them both colonize for a couple more days though. I like to take 2 black trash bags and wrap them around my monotubs while they colonize. This will stop them from wanting to pin early


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14548235 - 06/01/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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first one looks great, second one needs more time me thinks




this.

never hurts to let them both colonize for a couple more days though. I like to take 2 black trash bags and wrap them around my monotubs while they colonize. This will stop them from wanting to pin early




I have my mono tubs sitting on a slotted shelf in a room...I don't get early pins.

A black trash bag is ok, but it won't allow the substrate to be exposed to light, which is beneficial.

Early pins are either a sign of a contam or too much AE during colonization, which caused water to evaporate from the surface of the substrate.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14548312 - 06/01/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Early pins are a sign of them getting light too soon (and exposure to FAE). Once they become exposed to light, that will trigger the mycelium to begin pinning. Having pins arent a sign of contamination.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14548351 - 06/01/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Early pins are a sign of them getting light too soon (and exposure to FAE). Once they become exposed to light, that will trigger the mycelium to begin pinning. Having pins arent a sign of contamination.




:nono:

I don't get early pins & expose all of my cultures to indirect 6500K lighting on a 12/12 schedule.

The old adage of colonizing in complete darkness is totally out of date info.

The number one pinning trigger is evaporating moisture from the substrate. How do we get this? By the substrate being expose to too much AE.

Light has nothing to do with it.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14548385 - 06/01/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

We will have to agree to disagree. I always colonize my monotubs in complete darkness. It's how I was taught and has always brought me good results. Then once they are completely colonized I introduce light for the first time and that is what induces them to begin pinning.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14548421 - 06/01/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Early pins are a sign of them getting light too soon (and exposure to FAE). Once they become exposed to light, that will trigger the mycelium to begin pinning. Having pins arent a sign of contamination.





light doesnt become a factor until full colonization is reached, if you have early pinning then its due to too much fae during colonization or it was ready (fully colonized) or it hit a barrier like a contam or the moisture content of the substrate was too moist. :strokebeard2:

Ive never colonized anything in the dark because of the natural cycle of circadian rhythms.  so I have permanent 12/12 lighting for all stages of colonizing/fruiting. :super:



to the OP - even if it fully colonized in 3 days it wont fruit until its ready no matter what you do, so give it more time to consolidate b4 fruiting, but since you have already opened them up and gave them a good breath of fresh air then go ahead and fruit those. :yesnod:



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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14548435 - 06/01/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

heheh awesome. Love debates =) Any ways I do keep them in a dark closet with bags over them. first time I have checked them and opened them for a quick second to get a experts opinion. The first one looks just about ready to go IMO but this is my first mono so IDK. I figure I will let them sit till Friday night then throw the 1st into fruiting.... Not entirely bad for for 70 odd hours of spawning =)


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14548457 - 06/01/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have my mono's colonizing right next to my fruiting mono's with no problems,if anything i'd say it speeds up colonizing by a few days although I havn't done comparison tubs to actually test it


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14548464 - 06/01/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No offense, but my high spawn to sub ratio tubs look like that on top after 3 days also. As long as I mix all my coir+verm mix w/ my substrate and don't do a pseudo-casing layer w/ my bulk substrate.

I still leave those tubs for 12 days before introducing into fruiting conditions.

Getting ahead of yourself in this hobby is what produces contams & pour results.

You want the mycelium to break down as much nutrients as it can during colonization. Then, once introduced into fruiting, you get an awesome pinset & first flush.

It's like a marathon runner than properly hydrates & eats before a run vs. someone who doesn't.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14548473 - 06/01/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

When you let it colonize for 12 days whats your adverage time before seeing pins?


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14548489 - 06/01/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I (nor TL) dont put monos into fruiting until we see the first pins :mushroomgrow:


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14548500 - 06/01/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

and next time try not using the top layer of coir/verm or at least make it thinner (1/4") next time, it makes it easier to see/tell full colonization. :thumbup:


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14548501 - 06/01/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:imwithstupid:

I wait till I see a few pins...that way you know it's 100% ready.

then you get a nice pinset & full fruits in 7-10 days.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14548831 - 06/02/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14549071 - 06/02/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That sounds like a waste of time

I have always simply let mine colonize in the dark until the bulk sub. is fully colonized or 90% and then I take the trash bag off of it and introduce light and more FAE. I generally have a week waiting from the time I remove the trash bags to when I see the first pins.

I couldnt see it hurting anything to use your method where you wait to see pins before you begin fruiting but it seems like it uses a little bit more time. Your method actually sounds a little safer but I never had problems either

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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #14550030 - 06/02/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

@Todlow Yeah you are right. I didn't see when he spawned em. Dude the teks all say wait a full week before taking off your cover. FOLLOW THE TEK.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: MycoPron]
    #14550055 - 06/02/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Wait for pins before introducing it to fruiting. History shows a better pinset. Why try to force pins? Better off to let it do it on its own and keep it in favorable conditions while its doing it.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: Wing]
    #14553240 - 06/02/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This is the first I have heard of the "wait to see pins" tek. They usally happen at 12 days @ 82 (give or take a few days)? I was under the impression that they wouldn't start forming pins until light, FAE, and a temp drop was introduced.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14553254 - 06/02/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

nope, they'll form when your substrate is 100% consolidated.

your temps are too high. 74F max for colonizing bulk, as it produces A LOT of heat.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14553321 - 06/02/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

this is after i birthed them, they sit on the shelf at room temp till i get


almost 2 days later


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14553348 - 06/02/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ps


i wait a few days after i get pins on my trays too
1 day after i put it in






i like it like this. look at the dates on the pics


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14553359 - 06/02/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

High CO2 colonization is a pinning strategy...

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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14553542 - 06/02/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah boi, check them ladies out! =) Sweet yeah unfortunately I cant get the temp any lower with out running my A/C 24/7 and my rommie dont mind my science project but im sure he might mind the extra $100+ on the electric bill :shocked: Heheh im a little slow on the uptake but just realized that alot of my info and my tubs that I made came from your mono tek... Soooo yeah thanks for all the helpfull advice


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14553952 - 06/03/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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This is the first I have heard of the "wait to see pins" tek. They usally happen at 12 days @ 82 (give or take a few days)? I was under the impression that they wouldn't start forming pins until light, FAE, and a temp drop was introduced.





P.Cubensis are a tropical fungi, no temp drop is needed for them to pin, they do all phases of their life @ room temp (72-78*) for indoor cultivation.:mushroom2:

some gourmet mushrooms require a temp drop (cold shock) in order to fruit but thats not the case for cubensis. :thumbup:

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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14553968 - 06/03/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

wait til you see pins then fruit


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14554017 - 06/03/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

All kinds of helpfull advice here, I read alot on this site but rarely do I learn this much in a day, like shroomies dont need light and 75-78 is perfect for cubinsis. I can keep my room at 75 with a little help.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14554203 - 06/03/11 03:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

my room stays in the 75-80 sometimes and they do great!!


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14555704 - 06/03/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well the one more coloniZed had a spot of mean green on the surface sitting on top of some healthy myc, prolly due to openings it the other day :/ so I specialized a spoon took a mean chunk out of it and now going to put it outside with some fae and hope for the best. Any one have any success stories on this or is it a lost cause?


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14555718 - 06/03/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Never tried that, if it's green it's spored...

If it was a tiny spot you can make a salt paste & cover the spot w/ that, but as you've already taken it outside. Just leave it & see how it does.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14555733 - 06/03/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

you should still get a flush out of it but once you see green its not good, just keep it away from your stuff, those trich spores stick to everything and will ruin all your future grows if you arent careful. :smirk:

change your cloths if you opened the contamed tub because if its green it sporulated and the shit spores was flyin everywhere. :thumbdown:

just clean as much as you can if you think its an issue, 10% bleach water and ousting the air will do the trick or vinegar then peroxide in separate spray bottles to disinfect everything well.

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DISINFECTANT

*Vinegar and Hydrogen Peroxide as Disinfectants
By Judy Stouffer, B.S., M.S., SFO
You can make your kitchen a cleaner, safer place and fight bacteria, without exposing yourself and your family to toxic chemicals that also damage the environment. You can use a simple safe disinfecting spray that is more effective than any of the commercial cleaners in killing bacteria. As a bonus, it is inexpensive!
Susan Sumner, a food scientist at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, worked out the recipe for just such a sanitizing combo. All you need is three percent hydrogen peroxide, the same strength available at the drug store for gargling or disinfecting wounds, and plain white or apple cider vinegar, and a pair of brand new clean sprayers, like the kind you use to dampen laundry before ironing.
If you're cleaning vegetables or fruit, just sprits them well first with both the vinegar and the hydrogen peroxide, and then rinse them off under running water.
It doesn't matter which you use first - you can spray with the vinegar then the hydrogen peroxide, or with the hydrogen peroxide followed by the vinegar. You won't get any lingering taste of vinegar or hydrogen peroxide, and neither is toxic to you if a small amount remains on the produce.
As a bonus: The paired sprays work exceptionally well in sanitizing counters and other food preparation surfaces -- including wood cutting boards.
In tests run at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, pairing the two mists killed virtually all Salmonella, Shigella, or E. coli bacteria on heavily contaminated food and surfaces when used in this fashion, making this spray combination more effective at killing these potentially lethal bacteria than chlorine bleach or any commercially available kitchen cleaner.
The best results came from using one mist right after the other - it is 10 times more effective than using either spray by itself and more effective than mixing the vinegar and hydrogen peroxide in one sprayer.
Science News August 8, 1998; Vol. 154, Issue. 6; pg. 83-85 DISINFECTANT SCIENCE

*Best cheapest sanitizing agent I have found is one mist bottle full of white vinegar, another mist bottle full of H202.
Spray one on, wait a minute, spray other on, wait a minute, wipe down with clean paper towels (doesn’t matter which is sprayed on - first).
That combo will KILL...E-Coli, Salmonella, Aids & host of almost all other nasty stuff, including mold spores.
Just prior to using any tray, or container -- alc swab with 70% alc & allow to evap. 70% alc is MORE EFFECTIVE, as evap time is longer than higher % alc. SANITIZING STERILIZER

*Sanitize means to reduce the number of contaminants to a safe or relatively safe level as may be judged by public health requirements.
Disinfect means elimination of all recognized pathogenic microorganism but not necessarily all microbial forms.
Sterilize means the destruction of all microbial life by use of chemical or physical procedures.  DISINFECTANTS

*White vinegar in one spray bottle. 3% peroxide in another spray bottle. Spray one on, give it a moment, spray the other on, give it a few moments.... then wipe down with clean cloth. Cheap & effective to disinfect anything. DISINFECTANT CHEAP

*ALSO Buying in bulk bottles, then filling a spray mist bottle, is a LOT cheaper than buying Lysol in spray cans. Agar is FRUGAL. SANITIZING STERILIZER





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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14556291 - 06/03/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14556502 - 06/03/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So if I never put it out side yet it would he highly recommended? Or just make some paste? Tron it into fruition or still wait for pins? Damn you trich!


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14556608 - 06/03/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

if u see green that means theres spores. If you get that all over you/grow room, it will be a bitch to get rid of. just remember when u fan u are spreading the green all over.


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14556624 - 06/03/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

this is a pic of the green BEFORE it has its spores.


these are old pics so there not that great


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14558419 - 06/04/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

like SC said...if it's green it's mean...ditch it.

I spot w/ salt+water = paste before moving to stop the spores from getting everywhere during transportation. Or you can just stuff it in a plastic bag & tie it tight...

but no matter what, toss that bitch outside!


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14558458 - 06/04/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sigh makes perfect since, wish I woulda thought of that before hand. now im scared I got mushroom AIDS all over my room. /sigh time to dursh the fuck out of it this weekend and hope for the best.... in theory isnt there green mold spores pretty much everywhere any ways?


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Re: Thoughts on this mono? [Re: IngSocTHC]
    #14558490 - 06/04/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

yes, trich lives on everything around you. You can wipe your counter w/ iso & as soon as it's dried: there will be trich on it.

That being said,

it's very different for natural/ambient trich than a trich outbreak from a tub/colonizing grain.

I've seen trich in 2 jars outta 1000. I PCed them @ 15 for at least 60 minutes. ( I know exactly why both jars got it too...due to lid defects)

I still don't get trich in any of my monos, because I treat it immediately & appropriately.

I won't take a risk w/ any bulk sub...if it looks green on the surface, it is. I paste & toss outside for a nice outdoor grow...besides, my roses love it!


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