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living in the moment
    #14547881 - 06/01/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have just come down from a 7 hour trip.
it is crazy what u wake up to!
basically, I have reassured myself that tripping is in the mode of ignorance. it opens ur eyes but its completely unnecessary, and can easily leave a negative impact.
another bid thing, we dont have souls. we are souls. we have a human body, at the moment.

humans are very much animals. people need to stop killing animals for money. if not, there will never be peace of mind.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14547884 - 06/01/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

The moment is all there is. The past is already gone, and the future is totally uncertain.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: NetDiver]
    #14548543 - 06/01/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I would explore these thoughts on another trip.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14548604 - 06/01/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There's really no tangible proof of the past, and the future is just a fake destination to keep you distracted. "Oh really, you finished middle school? Here, go to highschool, so you can have a better future. Oh done with that? Nope, sorry, the future isnt here yet, go to college to make it a good future. Oh hey there, done with college? Oh sorry, you cant be happy yet, you have to get a low level job, spending 8 hours a day chasing someone else's dream. Oh, 15 years of that? Sorry, you're not done yet. Big promotion mister hard worker, you get the corner office now! Wait wait, dont be happy yet, you havent arrived. 15 more years in this office? Oh fantastic, now you're VP, but dont be happy about it, because the work isnt done. 10 more years of that, already done? Well have you been saving for your retirement? Better put in another 5-12 years, so you can have a good future. OH you've finally retired, but you're body and mind are destroyed from the mindless stress? Well sorry, maybe next time"


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14549052 - 06/02/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
There's really no tangible proof of the past, and the future is just a fake destination to keep you distracted. "Oh really, you finished middle school? Here, go to highschool, so you can have a better future. Oh done with that? Nope, sorry, the future isnt here yet, go to college to make it a good future. Oh hey there, done with college? Oh sorry, you cant be happy yet, you have to get a low level job, spending 8 hours a day chasing someone else's dream. Oh, 15 years of that? Sorry, you're not done yet. Big promotion mister hard worker, you get the corner office now! Wait wait, dont be happy yet, you havent arrived. 15 more years in this office? Oh fantastic, now you're VP, but dont be happy about it, because the work isnt done. 10 more years of that, already done? Well have you been saving for your retirement? Better put in another 5-12 years, so you can have a good future. OH you've finally retired, but you're body and mind are destroyed from the mindless stress? Well sorry, maybe next time"




^this:thumbup: .. sad but true.

I don't really buy into the whole American Dream. The world where people are constantly battling for standing and won't hesitate to damage someone else to get ahead. I strive to be successful but I don't necessarily strive to be number one. I would never do a thing detrimental to someones life just to get a promotion.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14549117 - 06/02/11 01:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You sound look you might have tripped a little to hard and FYI we kill animals for food not money and the money it produces funds something called supply and demand. Also when was the last time someone bought a steak for example because its somehow profitable. I admire your broad thinking but you simply cannot impose a vegetarian lifestyle upon everyone. Plus to think you think you know for a matter of fact what the definition of a soul is, is honestly somewhat comical.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Seriously_Spaced]
    #14549149 - 06/02/11 02:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

we kill animals for money too

but we are the absolute ruler species on this huge rock


go into a trip more positive and make a schedule, ask yourself some premeditated questions while tripping.. i dont like hectic trips but 2.5-3g with some buds is always amazing.. and having a benzodiapine available helps


remember those who plan to plan will always plan to fail

are you going to trip again?


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Re: living in the moment [Re: the human abstract]
    #14549168 - 06/02/11 02:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

sorry OP i dont wanna be a buzz kill

but mushrooms fuck you up

that is what mushrooms do


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Seriously_Spaced] * 1
    #14549192 - 06/02/11 02:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

soul is an idea that comes to us when we have religious experiences or epiphanies
it is a very simple idea matching the simplicity of a state of being which we can attain when tripping or through meditation
there is nothing in this world that I would recommend more than meditation
I just got back into it again
that deserves a YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY

the past is in the present in consciousness.
signals overlap - that is the open secret of our existence.
if there was only NOW, there would be nothing
an infinitely small slice of time
there would actually be no slice
at least not two
cut!

and eating meat supports consciousness
the consciousness of animals that live only because the future seemingly wants to eat them

and no
mushrooms don't fuck you up
they extend what is already there
which is why set and setting (which is part of your set) is important
you can notice how sound, thought and everything else extends and builds on trips
I suggest you keep that in mind next time


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14549198 - 06/02/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

they do fuck you up

thats not something good or bad. its what you make of it:yesnod:


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Seriously_Spaced]
    #14550489 - 06/02/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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HowNowBrownCow said:
"At the moment"- Are you implying that we experience more than one human body in a soul's lifetime? Serious question.




the soul is part, and parcel of God, the Ultimate.
equal in quality, but not quantity. just like a drop of water and the ocean.
therefore the soul does not have a lifetime, only material bodies in the material plane do.
to answer your question, yes. when the soul incarnates into the material world, it is born and dies countless times into all different kinds of bodies (humans, germs, zebras, tigers etc.)
the kind of body u receive is due to your accumulated karma from past actions, intentions and desires.
ultimately the goal is to not take birth again, to stay in your original, pure soul state to worship, serve, and give love to the universe, or God, Lord Sri Krsna. :smile:


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You sound look you might have tripped a little to hard and FYI we kill animals for food not money and the money it produces funds something called supply and demand. Also when was the last time someone bought a steak for example because its somehow profitable. I admire your broad thinking but you simply cannot impose a vegetarian lifestyle upon everyone. Plus to think you think you know for a matter of fact what the definition of a soul is, is honestly somewhat comical.




well, YOU eat meat to enjoy.
the meat industries unnecessarily take the life from a defenseless animal to sell IT for money!
imagine if there was demand for human baby flesh!
i'm not saying I have full knowledge of the soul or life, but I do know I am not this human body. though, I do care after this body because it is part of Krishna and nothing should be unappreciated. I am making the best out of a bad bargain.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: the human abstract]
    #14550622 - 06/02/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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are you going to trip again?




I plan on taking .5grams or 1gram max for a show coming up to wake up my awareness of my animal state.
but like u said, tripping just fucks u up. it's a way of escaping the daily routine.

after this trip I realized that saying "tripping shows u the truth" is complete bull. the truth is revealed in our sober state.
people who put drugs on a pedestal instead of God are unappreciative of the potential, sober happiness and bliss of the soul, who is spread throughout the living body.

what we need to realize is what makes us happy now, and for eternity. no temporary happiness type stuff allowed.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14550634 - 06/02/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There's really no tangible proof of the past, and the future is just a fake destination to keep you distracted. "Oh really, you finished middle school? Here, go to highschool, so you can have a better future. Oh done with that? Nope, sorry, the future isnt here yet, go to college to make it a good future. Oh hey there, done with college? Oh sorry, you cant be happy yet, you have to get a low level job, spending 8 hours a day chasing someone else's dream. Oh, 15 years of that? Sorry, you're not done yet. Big promotion mister hard worker, you get the corner office now! Wait wait, dont be happy yet, you havent arrived. 15 more years in this office? Oh fantastic, now you're VP, but dont be happy about it, because the work isnt done. 10 more years of that, already done? Well have you been saving for your retirement? Better put in another 5-12 years, so you can have a good future. OH you've finally retired, but you're body and mind are destroyed from the mindless stress? Well sorry, maybe next time"





Haha, while I find this to be true, I don't see any harm in "playing the game" a bit.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Cynosure]
    #14553448 - 06/02/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i like to put it in computer terms

since electronic defined is something that imitates electrons

weed = defragment
pain killers = updates
shrooms = reformatting


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Re: living in the moment *DELETED* [Re: gopi]
    #14553841 - 06/03/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: living in the moment [Re: HowNowBrownCow]
    #14553938 - 06/03/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

where is the pudding?


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14553976 - 06/03/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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gopi said:
Quote:

the human abstract said:

are you going to trip again?




I plan on taking .5grams or 1gram max for a show coming up to wake up my awareness of my animal state.
but like u said, tripping just fucks u up. it's a way of escaping the daily routine.




So how much did you take to go for 7 hours?


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Re: living in the moment [Re: HowNowBrownCow]
    #14554023 - 06/03/11 01:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

gopi said:
the soul is part, and parcel of God, the Ultimate.
equal in quality, but not quantity. just like a drop of water and the ocean.
therefore the soul does not have a lifetime, only material bodies in the material plane do.
to answer your question, yes. when the soul incarnates into the material world, it is born and dies countless times into all different kinds of bodies (humans, germs, zebras, tigers etc.)
the kind of body u receive is due to your accumulated karma from past actions, intentions and desires.
ultimately the goal is to not take birth again, to stay in your original, pure soul state to worship, serve, and give love to the universe, or God, Lord Sri Krsna. :smile:





I share the same sentiments as you, except that when every time our soul returns to the physical form, it's in a human body each time - for our souls have grown/developed to be too advanced to return to a lesser being other than the human species. Just my opinion!




Lol care to tell me what makes us so superior to everything else? Personally, I can't think of anything.  If ants walked on two legs and had opposable thumbs you can be damn sure they'd be building shit just like we are.  In fact we destroy everything we touch, there's not a single redeeming thing to say about us.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: tokinman21]
    #14554034 - 06/03/11 01:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:awewtf:


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Re: living in the moment [Re: farmer88]
    #14554740 - 06/03/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I share the same sentiments as you, except that when every time our soul returns to the physical form, it's in a human body each time - for our souls have grown/developed to be too advanced to return to a lesser being other than the human species. Just my opinion!




im glad u believe in reincarnation, but what u're saying, and correct me if im wrong, sounds like u dont believe in the law of karma.
having a human body is a chance to get out of the material plane since we dont just act on instinct like babies or animals.
if this great opportunity is misused by wasting time and simply trying to enjoy, depending on ur intentions and actions in this life u may very well get a non-human body.
I like how u mentioned that it's ur opinion. it shows u are humble and willing to hear what others say receptively.
:smile:

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Lol care to tell me what makes us so superior to everything else? Personally, I can't think of anything.  If ants walked on two legs and had opposable thumbs you can be damn sure they'd be building shit just like we are.  In fact we destroy everything we touch, there's not a single redeeming thing to say about us.




I agree. 100%


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So how much did you take to go for 7 hours?




fasted for about 12 hours and ate about 22grams of fresh shrooms.


I think this read will interest all those in the search of "truth"
http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/35234-how-should-we-relate-radha.html

this too:
http://www.krishna.com/turning-beauty-krishna


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14555312 - 06/03/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Eating meat is not really necessary, since all the nutrients we need can be gained from other sources. Being vegetarian is less expensive, healthier (if done properly), better for the environment, and less cruel. All the arguments against it in this thread are seriously weak. :shrug:


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14555681 - 06/03/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Very well put!


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Re: living in the moment [Re: NetDiver]
    #14555690 - 06/03/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, the other 90% of our brains are clogged with curds and whey. LOL


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Re: living in the moment [Re: NetDiver]
    #14555814 - 06/03/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Eating meat is not really necessary, since all the nutrients we need can be gained from other sources. Being vegetarian is less expensive, healthier (if done properly), better for the environment, and less cruel. All the arguments against it in this thread are seriously weak. :shrug:




yes. the only thing eating animal flesh facilitates is that u get all the B vitamins at once.
but meat can be easily replaced by nutritional yeast, which is healthy and delicious.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14555838 - 06/03/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I like how this thread turned into a vegetarian circle jerk!


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Re: living in the moment [Re: thedream]
    #14555995 - 06/03/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's fucked up we have to kill the vegetables though.  Rip them out of the ground, chew them up, and shit 'em out.  The whole process of living and surviving seems kind of evil and cruel to me.  It's all predicated on killing something to survive and using resources from those too weak or dumb to get them for themselves.  Life is a brutally, cruel business and drugs help us to forget that - although they can also facefuck with the facts.  Either way, its a bitch.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: joemolloy]
    #14556212 - 06/03/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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It's fucked up we have to kill the vegetables though.  Rip them out of the ground, chew them up, and shit 'em out.  The whole process of living and surviving seems kind of evil and cruel to me.  It's all predicated on killing something to survive and using resources from those too weak or dumb to get them for themselves.  Life is a brutally, cruel business and drugs help us to forget that - although they can also facefuck with the facts.  Either way, its a bitch.




Yep.  It's just the way life works, for one animal to survive it's got to eat another (or a plant).  I do feel bad for the animals that died a horrible death that I end up eating, but I eat them anyway because MEAT TASTES GOOD.  I can't help it


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Re: living in the moment [Re: joemolloy]
    #14556712 - 06/03/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
It's fucked up we have to kill the vegetables though.  Rip them out of the ground, chew them up, and shit 'em out.  The whole process of living and surviving seems kind of evil and cruel to me.  It's all predicated on killing something to survive and using resources from those too weak or dumb to get them for themselves.  Life is a brutally, cruel business and drugs help us to forget that - although they can also facefuck with the facts.  Either way, its a bitch.




I agree with u, the material world is full of misery.
there's a reason why gluttony is a sin.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14556747 - 06/03/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

you mentioning that animals are not for humans to eat think of this

bears that eat the salmon in the stream will know when the stream is over fished.. they will migrate somewhere with better fishing

the humble earth than replaces the stream with more salmon than there was before..


i believe we are meet eaters.. but fresh meat hunted in the wild is different than the hormones and steroids they put in the meats today

i still enjoy a great juicy burger tho :yesnod:


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    #14556975 - 06/03/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: living in the moment [Re: NetDiver]
    #14557246 - 06/03/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
Eating meat is not really necessary, since all the nutrients we need can be gained from other sources. Being vegetarian is less expensive, healthier (if done properly), better for the environment, and less cruel. All the arguments against it in this thread are seriously weak. :shrug:




Arguments against it? ffs, get off our nuts, nobody's trying to force you to eat meat. Some people like the taste and texture of meat. Eating meat is natural, if anything it's vegetarians going against nature, not omnivores. If I can get my nutrients from meat, and enjoy it, why the hell would I go searching for vegetarian alternatives?

Also, I realize this is just anecdotal, but I feel I should throw this out there.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: HowNowBrownCow]
    #14557331 - 06/03/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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you mentioning that animals are not for humans to eat think of this

bears that eat the salmon in the stream will know when the stream is over fished.. they will migrate somewhere with better fishing

the humble earth than replaces the stream with more salmon than there was before..


i believe we are meet eaters.. but fresh meat hunted in the wild is different than the hormones and steroids they put in the meats today

i still enjoy a great juicy burger tho :yesnod:




we are different than bears, lions, and other carnivorous animals, though.
humans have the digestive track of a herbivorous animal. humans would die eating only meat since it has 0 fiber.

have u ever seen a bird, instinctively wanted to catch it, and sink ur teeth in? if so, ur father may very well be a cat.


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Hi gopi,
To follow up on your question, I do believe in karma, but it obeys a different kind of law. I believe that the soul's purpose is to learn how to become a better entity. To learn knowledge and love, the more you learn, the closer you are to reaching some form of enlightenment or becoming one with God at the end of the journey. All the lives the soul experiences via reincarnation is the journey to achieve said purpose. Karma plays a role in which if the soul completes a step closer to the goal, it will return in the next life as stronger/more advanced soul with the knowledge and love carried over. If the soul does bad deeds in life, it will return the next life with debts to pay, some form limitation/punishment that soul will be challenged to overcome to make itself worthy of advancing again. I suppose the soul could eventually become an animal once again if it is consistently on a regression trend, as the Hindus believe. Once the soul has reached the end, it continues to live infinitely in absolute bliss.

These beliefs are very similar to those discussed by a psychiatrist/author by the name of Brian Weiss and are supported by intriguing and astounding scientific evidence (if true). But nevertheless, if you like reading a good book about this type of subject, I highly recommend him. Start with "Many Lives, Many Masters".

Now I am in no way saying that your belief is wrong and mine is right. In fact, I'm not sure if mine is right either. I respect your views and it is fun to discuss.




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the material world merely exists for fallen souls to try to indulge without God in the center, that's when everyone becomes selfish.
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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14557576 - 06/03/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.


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    #14557800 - 06/03/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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are you going to trip again?




I plan on taking .5grams or 1gram max for a show coming up to wake up my awareness of my animal state.
but like u said, tripping just fucks u up. it's a way of escaping the daily routine.

after this trip I realized that saying "tripping shows u the truth" is complete bull. the truth is revealed in our sober state.
people who put drugs on a pedestal instead of God are unappreciative of the potential, sober happiness and bliss of the soul, who is spread throughout the living body.

what we need to realize is what makes us happy now, and for eternity. no temporary happiness type stuff allowed.





I think its important to see from both sides, why are you so sure sobriety is key for everyone.

Maybe sobriety is for you, I just know I have little control over my own life and I believe it is best to make the most of what helps you better understand what were doing here.

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    #14557810 - 06/03/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.




Thats cool my Dr is a Dr and he never has any problems with me consuming meat.

Man PETA has really made a mess.


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    #14558513 - 06/04/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Arguments against it? ffs, get off our nuts, nobody's trying to force you to eat meat. Some people like the taste and texture of meat. Eating meat is natural, if anything it's vegetarians going against nature, not omnivores. If I can get my nutrients from meat, and enjoy it, why the hell would I go searching for vegetarian alternatives?

Also, I realize this is just anecdotal, but I feel I should throw this out there.



Your anger is misplaced; I'm not a preachy vegetarian, but if people are tossing out weak arguments against it (like in this thread) then I'll respond. People get so defensive about meat eating, I don't really get it. :shrug:

I like the taste of meat too. But I just don't think that liking the taste of an animal's flesh justifies slaughtering it. "It's natural" isn't even close to an argument. We naturally evolved rationality, empathy, and the ability to choose vegetarianism too.

Why would you go searching for vegetarian alternatives? You might if you cared about the environment and the suffering of other creatures. If you don't, that's cool, it's a personal choice, and I don't go around preaching about it unless someone else starts the discussion. Just don't try to pretend like you're superior. I'm certainly not. I'm just stating facts.


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    #14558716 - 06/04/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

fuck yeah im with you op


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    #14558757 - 06/04/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hmm, OP i was raised Hare Krishna, parents didnt push it or anything though, i know very little about it in fact

i have always thought about krishna consciousness in relations to the psychedelic experience.... if you wanna reply or inbox me your thoughts on the whole thing that would be nice

i have found myself a very open minded person because of the wacky stories Hare Krishnas have so im overall thankful for that... but i think all ideaologys are currupt and misleading on some level


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    #14558826 - 06/04/11 03:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I think its important to see from both sides, why are you so sure sobriety is key for everyone.

Maybe sobriety is for you, I just know I have little control over my own life and I believe it is best to make the most of what helps you better understand what were doing here.

Maybe im just more thoughtful and open.




true. not long ago I used to smoke maryjane daily and drink on ocassion, but decided never to do so again. I will stil thoughl, on special ocassion, ingest stuff with maryjane and shrooms too.

the thing is, in our philosophy there are foods in the mode of goodness, passion, and ignorance.

fattening (in a good way) foods such as curd, avocadoes, grains etc mode of goodness.

caffeine, onions, garlics, shrooms etc mode of passion and ignorance.

God gave us free will for a reason, if he cant control peoples decisions, I certainly cannot. all I do is set a good example.

oh, and im definitely not a vegetarian because of PETA.
why are u against an organization that is against curelty?? o.o


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    #14558838 - 06/04/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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hmm, OP i was raised Hare Krishna, parents didnt push it or anything though, i know very little about it in fact

i have always thought about krishna consciousness in relations to the psychedelic experience.... if you wanna reply or inbox me your thoughts on the whole thing that would be nice

i have found myself a very open minded person because of the wacky stories Hare Krishnas have so im overall thankful for that... but i think all ideaologys are currupt and misleading on some level




interesting. :smile:
well, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktiventa Swami Prabhupada did not accept drugs for those who were in the search of truth. for mainly two reasons, our sober state is best for learning, understanding, and remembering the teachings he translated from Sanskrit to English for us. and because he didnt want ISKCON to be seen as a society for homeless druggies and hippies to join together.
I like to trip on very special ocassion coz it is entertaining, but since our beliefs are what the trip has to stand on, I think it's important to have the intention to want to understand why we are here, now, and in this body, and with all this around us.
I certainly was thinking about my body, looked all around and felt trapped. I realized how negative of a person was. everywhere I looked had traces of negativeor positive energy. looking in my fridge was intense. looking at a certain photo of Lord Nrsinmhadeva just made so much sense!

http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z432/gopitah/664bc062.jpg

this one too

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Balabhadra_Subhadra_Jagannath.jpg


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    #14558861 - 06/04/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

so theoreticly occasional use of drugs would not be harmful to spirtual growth...


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    #14558865 - 06/04/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

also what makes a certain food in a certain mode, i would think mushrooms would be in the mode of goodness, they are decomposers after all, they harm no other life form, all they simply do is break down dead matter for other organisms use...


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    #14559223 - 06/04/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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so theoreticly occasional use of drugs would not be harmful to spirtual growth...




I dont know. for me, personally, I feel I have enough confidence in my beliefs to not get confused. but who knows? I heard some people go crazy! and mushrooms are in the mode of ignorance since its a fungus and they arent clean, and some of them mess with ur mind.. .

I read little things here and there abt the philosophy,I hear the beliefs of the Hare Krishna's around me and what makes sense to me I apply to my life.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Cynosure]
    #14559285 - 06/04/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There's really no tangible proof of the past,




Okay,

the scientist in me wants to know what all those fossils in the museums would be?  What about all the layers of rock that are visible when looking at cliff sides?  Look out into space, you are looking into the past.  Light from stars left those stars years ago, some of that light left many years ago.  Light from the Andromeda galaxy (most remote object visible to the naked eye) left there 2.2 million years ago! 

No tangible proof to the past?

By the way, I remember 50+ years of my own existence, all of which is in the past, even as I type this, these letters were typed in the past.

Dwell on what the past actually is, there is tangible proof.


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    #14559406 - 06/04/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I dont believe in god, sorry you think you have all the answers but you really dont.


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    #14559415 - 06/04/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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so theoreticly occasional use of drugs would not be harmful to spirtual growth...




I dont know. for me, personally, I feel I have enough confidence in my beliefs to not get confused. but who knows? I heard some people go crazy! and mushrooms are in the mode of ignorance since its a fungus and they arent clean, and some of them mess with ur mind.. .

I read little things here and there abt the philosophy,I hear the beliefs of the Hare Krishna's around me and what makes sense to me I apply to my life.




The mode of ignorance.  Says the guy who is just rambling on about dirty fungus and god.


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    #14559422 - 06/04/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Wooden Spoon said:
so theoreticly occasional use of drugs would not be harmful to spirtual growth...




I dont know. for me, personally, I feel I have enough confidence in my beliefs to not get confused. but who knows? I heard some people go crazy! and mushrooms are in the mode of ignorance since its a fungus and they arent clean, and some of them mess with ur mind.. .

I read little things here and there abt the philosophy,I hear the beliefs of the Hare Krishna's around me and what makes sense to me I apply to my life.



I heard some guy took acid, now he thinks hes a cup of orange juice and is afraid to get tipped over.:bucktoothfattygangsta:


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    #14559428 - 06/04/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Here is a article about how mushrooms have antibacterial potential.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1193547/

I thought you said these things weren't clean? :lolsy:


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    #14559640 - 06/04/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Here is a article about how mushrooms have antibacterial potential.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1193547/

I thought you said these things weren't clean? :lolsy:




. . . ."dirty" or not, its still fungus. did u know cow dung has antiseptic properties? should we eat cow dung?

read?: http://www.bhaktiyogaclub.com/vegetarian2.html

also: http://connect.krishna.com/node/5906
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    #14559933 - 06/04/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

When you say you have evidence of the past like a picture or a fossil what you have is not proof of a past but proof that there is a picture in the present. Everything is here, everything is now. The past and the future do not exist as places per say in the way you tend to think about it. The past and the future are created in the present. What you call the past is actually a simultaineously coexisting parallel reality. You are actually shifting your consciousness through billions of parallel realities a second to create the illusion of motion.What you call different moments are actually the same moment from a different point of view. There really is only one now creation moment. Everything exists NOW!
Also all of your past,present and future lives(incarnationally speaking)all exist NOW! Along side you on parallel tracks.

Everything is really ONE thing. The One is all, the all are one. I do not believe in this man-made, materialistic, dichotomy GOD. But I do know that the universe is friendly and unconditionally loving and supportive. You are so unconditionally loved and supported that you may choose to experience being unloved and unsupported. Creation doesn't care. YOu always have choice and freewill.

Remember..there is no outside! Physical reality is just a reflection of consciousness. It is just a dream. When you die it will be very much like waking from a dream. Then you will realize "Oh,this is reality" and the dream will fade and become less important but you will take from this experience what you needed as a spirit being.

At least this is the way I enjoy thinking. As I become more lucid in the dream of physical reality, I live with greater ease and contentment.
But these are just concepts, ideas I borrowed from Bashar. Once I understood the nature of the structure of existence everything became obvious. If you don't know who Bashar is I highly recommend getting to know him. His ideas have changed my feeling about life completely.


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    #14560114 - 06/04/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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When you say you have evidence of the past like a picture or a fossil what you have is not proof of a past but proof that there is a picture in the present. Everything is here, everything is now. The past and the future do not exist as places per say in the way you tend to think about it. The past and the future are created in the present. What you call the past is actually a simultaineously coexisting parallel reality. You are actually shifting your consciousness through billions of parallel realities a second to create the illusion of motion.What you call different moments are actually the same moment from a different point of view. There really is only one now creation moment. Everything exists NOW!
Also all of your past,present and future lives(incarnationally speaking)all exist NOW! Along side you on parallel tracks.

Everything is really ONE thing. The One is all, the all are one. I do not believe in this man-made, materialistic, dichotomy GOD. But I do know that the universe is friendly and unconditionally loving and supportive. You are so unconditionally loved and supported that you may choose to experience being unloved and unsupported. Creation doesn't care. YOu always have choice and freewill.

Remember..there is no outside! Physical reality is just a reflection of consciousness. It is just a dream. When you die it will be very much like waking from a dream. Then you will realize "Oh,this is reality" and the dream will fade and become less important but you will take from this experience what you needed as a spirit being.

At least this is the way I enjoy thinking. As I become more lucid in the dream of physical reality, I live with greater ease and contentment.
But these are just concepts, ideas I borrowed from Bashar. Once I understood the nature of the structure of existence everything became obvious. If you don't know who Bashar is I highly recommend getting to know him. His ideas have changed my feeling about life completely.




I really like the part that says everything is now, no matter what and that ur incarnations exist alongside urself on parallel tracks.
the first time I tripped I literally saw myself in the middle of existence and the different parallel realities alongside myself. I was stuck in space, I felt. anyway. . . .lol


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    #14561027 - 06/04/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There's really no tangible proof of the past,




Okay,

the scientist in me wants to know what all those fossils in the museums would be?  What about all the layers of rock that are visible when looking at cliff sides?  Look out into space, you are looking into the past.  Light from stars left those stars years ago, some of that light left many years ago.  Light from the Andromeda galaxy (most remote object visible to the naked eye) left there 2.2 million years ago! 

No tangible proof to the past?

By the way, I remember 50+ years of my own existence, all of which is in the past, even as I type this, these letters were typed in the past.

Dwell on what the past actually is, there is tangible proof.




You're taking things too seriously.

EDIT: Ah yes, Thank you Dan.

A fossil or a photograph isnt proof of the past. It's a peice of the present that has no connection to anything but what is being perceived in the present.

Furthermore, your memories also arent real, and are simply states of consciousness you experience now that you project into you 'past'. At no point is actually HAVING an experience a condition of perceiving you've had it.

I mean sure this is extreme and far fetched, but you really dont know that you arent a 9 year old in a coma fabricating all these 'memories' you have. Go ahead, GIVE me one of your memories, so I know that you actually have them. Oh right, you cant.

You know in a dream how you have all these built up assumptions about the dreamscape you're in? Where did those come from, and at which point do you enter the dream? Perhaps you're dreaming a dream where you already posted, and your mind is simply creating the 'memories' that you typed all that up, in the recent 'past', for continuities sake.

'proof of the past' is really only proof that there is a present in which we are viewing this seeming 'proof of a past time'. Keep in mind we're only using procedures invented by humans, to be perceived from a human nervous system, which may or may not have anything to do with the actual workings of the universe. We can only perceive to the extent with which our mechanisms allow us to perceive. Like we're stuck with heat-sensing goggles on, and sure we can see people in a dark room with those goggles, but we cant tell what color their shirts are, because the 'filter' we're using isnt designed to pick that up in this context.

So this illusion of 'time' is really only a construct of our own interpreting mechanism, so everything isnt happening at once. Outside of being a 'human mechanism', I dont think we would even have this 'time' to perceive.


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    #14561103 - 06/04/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.




Thats cool my Dr is a Dr and he never has any problems with me consuming meat.

Man PETA has really made a mess.




PETA is a bunch of fucking lunatics that has nothing to do with this. I dont give a fuck if an animal dies, this isnt an ethical issue. Look at the digestive tract of a fucking tiger, and then the tract of an herbovore. Tell me which one is closest to that of a human. And dont use our pathetic excuse of 'canine' teeth for us eating meat. Until you can bite into and shred the flesh of a dying animal with those teeth, I'll concede to that, but while these teeth barely tear thru a peice of taffy, they're essentially useless for eating meat.

And you're a retard for thinking your docter is the be all and end all of what you should and shouldnt be doing. Chances are he thinks perscriptions drugs are miracles and marijuana is the scourge of existence.

I'm not saying in any way about this being a moral issue, its how we operate physiologically. Did you know it can take upwards of 5-10 years to fully and completely digest and pass red meat? Tell me, how healthy is that really?

Also I do completely acknowledge that plants feel pain, stress, fear, and trauma, so again, it isnt some ethical issue, and I hate the ones who do it for 'ethical' issues. I myself am not even a vegetarian, so I'm not holding some elitism above you. But just like we're evolutionarily designed to be bipedal, we're more or less evolutionarily designed to stick to a vegetarian diet.


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    #14561324 - 06/04/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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you mentioning that animals are not for humans to eat think of this

i believe we are meet eaters.. but fresh meat hunted in the wild is different than the hormones and steroids they put in the meats today

i still enjoy a great juicy burger tho :yesnod:




we are different than bears, lions, and other carnivorous animals, though.
humans have the digestive track of a herbivorous animal. humans would die eating only meat since it has 0 fiber.

have u ever seen a bird, instinctively wanted to catch it, and sink ur teeth in? if so, ur father may very well be a cat.






Mmmm. We have an omnivorous teeth so do Chimps, they love a bit of cannibalism.  Very disturbing footage on a couple of wildlife doco's showing chimps catching and eating other (smaller) chimps from a neighboring clan.  They love it.  Beats working so hard to find all those berries.  So we would die eating only meat?  Better tell that to and Inuit (eskimo).  Try telling that to the new generation of teens who only eat fast food or meat.  Hardly any fibre.  They may die a few years earlier but for now are doing ok.

We are designed to survive in almost any situation, plants, animals doesn't matter, if you are hungry enough.  Nothing disappears faster than a steak in the frig of a vegetarian share-house.


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Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.




Thats cool my Dr is a Dr and he never has any problems with me consuming meat.

Man PETA has really made a mess.



Did you know it can take upwards of 5-10 years to fully and completely digest and pass red meat? Tell me, how healthy is that really?






Got a reference for that?  You have to be kidding right?  5-10 years? :smirk:


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Mmmm. We have an omnivorous teeth so do Chimps, they love a bit of cannibalism.  Very disturbing footage on a couple of wildlife doco's showing chimps catching and eating other (smaller) chimps from a neighboring clan.  They love it.  Beats working so hard to find all those berries.  So we would die eating only meat?  Better tell that to and Inuit (eskimo).  Try telling that to the new generation of teens who only eat fast food or meat.  Hardly any fibre.  They may die a few years earlier but for now are doing ok.

We are designed to survive in almost any situation, plants, animals doesn't matter, if you are hungry enough.  Nothing disappears faster than a steak in the frig of a vegetarian share-house.




so u're saying because chimps are cannibals that gives us an excuse eat flesh??

U're mistaken. I personally would die if I try to eat meat since I was born vegetarian.
at the end of the day only u are responsible for ur actions and omly u can change yourself.

if only your statements were valid. if u get down to the root of it all and stop making excuses, the vegetarian lifestyle is the way to be. and eskimos eat alot of fish, which is all fiber.




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Re: living in the moment [Re: farmer88]
    #14561696 - 06/04/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.




Thats cool my Dr is a Dr and he never has any problems with me consuming meat.

Man PETA has really made a mess.



Did you know it can take upwards of 5-10 years to fully and completely digest and pass red meat? Tell me, how healthy is that really?






Got a reference for that?  You have to be kidding right?  5-10 years? :smirk:




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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14563003 - 06/05/11 01:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Mmmm. We have an omnivorous teeth so do Chimps, they love a bit of cannibalism.  Very disturbing footage on a couple of wildlife doco's showing chimps catching and eating other (smaller) chimps from a neighboring clan.  They love it.  Beats working so hard to find all those berries.  So we would die eating only meat?  Better tell that to and Inuit (eskimo).  Try telling that to the new generation of teens who only eat fast food or meat.  Hardly any fibre.  They may die a few years earlier but for now are doing ok.

We are designed to survive in almost any situation, plants, animals doesn't matter, if you are hungry enough.  Nothing disappears faster than a steak in the frig of a vegetarian share-house.




so u're saying because chimps are cannibals that gives us an excuse eat flesh??

U're mistaken. I personally would die if I try to eat meat since I was born vegetarian.
at the end of the day only u are responsible for ur actions and omly u can change yourself.

if only your statements were valid. if u get down to the root of it all and stop making excuses, the vegetarian lifestyle is the way to be. and eskimos eat alot of fish, which is all fiber.







I don't need excuses to eat meat, chimps don't either.  Fish are made of meat, not fibre.  Fish.are.made.of.meat.  I worked with a women vegetarian who had been trying to fall pregnant for two years, failed, not enough B12.  After two injections bingo!  No one is born vegetarian, you were either imprinted by a parent or you made a choice.  It's a choice, no one is right or wrong.  My opinion is just that, your opinion is just an opinion, I was swapping an opinion.  Sorry you cannot understand that.
I don't need to change myself, and I'm not trying to change you.  Except maybe to be more able to discuss concepts without personal attack.  Please read more and be a little more tolerate of those who make different choices to you.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: farmer88]
    #14563032 - 06/05/11 02:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

mm and funny enough mushrooms are the only source of b-12 for vegetarians... partly because they are dirty, dirt has a lot of b-12 in it, but there still is some b-12 in the fungus itself...


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Re: living in the moment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14563098 - 06/05/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Azure that's not an answer.  Don't make statements you cannot backup.


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    #14563383 - 06/05/11 06:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

whatevsz, stubborn child o' God.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: gopi]
    #14563879 - 06/05/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I like to think of the 'food chain' as a transfer of energy

if this has already been said, sorry for repeating. I kind of skimmed over the thread and the vegetarian vs omnivores argument I've seen everywhere

everything needs a source of energy. I recall seeing on a documentary somewhere a guy saying "everything is made of energy, sound, light, people, all the manifest themselves in different ways"

you can manifest sound in such a way that will levitate objects

everything is a transfer of energy. this happens in nature, for say a shark to survive, it must assimilate the energy it sources by mercilessly killing, say, a seal. We are no different, sourcing our energy from animals or plants. Same for us, we die but our energy moves on, everything is moving energy, it never stops.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: indica]
    #14628721 - 06/17/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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you can manifest sound in such a way that will levitate objects





Link?

I know that sound vibrates particles in order to transfer its energy, however i can't understand how this can lead to the vibration of particles defying gravity? Sure, sound may be able to "move" objects through violent vibration of surrounding particles, but to levitate an object in space using sound is a concept i've never heard of.

I'm more curious than skeptical....


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Re: living in the moment [Re: DepthToTheCore]
    #14628793 - 06/17/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Acoustic Levitation


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    #14628804 - 06/17/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, thanks for that!

However can you explain how it works, i'd love to know the science behind it.


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Re: living in the moment [Re: farmer88]
    #14628866 - 06/17/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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farmer88 said:
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Azure Essence said:
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Azure Essence said:
Yeah he's actually right about the digestive track.

Evolutionarily, we're meant to be vegetarians.




Thats cool my Dr is a Dr and he never has any problems with me consuming meat.

Man PETA has really made a mess.



Did you know it can take upwards of 5-10 years to fully and completely digest and pass red meat? Tell me, how healthy is that really?






Got a reference for that?  You have to be kidding right?  5-10 years? :smirk:




it's actually 1-3 days

http://www.weight-loss-center.net/weight-loss-blog/2008/09/truth-about-red-meat-digestion/


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