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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: don_vedo]
    #14547847 - 06/01/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

a life, that's all it is, ultimately no different or more important than any other.  Frankly I'll be relieved to see it over.


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: Icelander]
    #14547995 - 06/01/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wow this seems to have gone way out of (if not entirely off) topic XD

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I knew those kids were responsible for their torture and death.  Blaming those Germans just goes to show how selfish they were.




Haha :P

The OP isnt saying the kids are responsible.. The point is, YOU are responsible for it. And by all means YOU responded accordingly.

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the hour in which IT is totally convinced itself it is real... and thus has BECOME REAL...




That is called a subjective experience..or.. awareness.. 
It helps to think of yourself as "This One Self" instead of "I"... to grasp what the OP is getting at..

Besides ;D



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"Adapt.
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"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...

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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14548052 - 06/01/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ultimately no different or more important than any other.




In fact- Completely different and of the ultimate importance, just as any other. :wink:

Remember.. Justice.. Just-is..


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"Adapt.
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"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks

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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14548314 - 06/01/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Mmmmmm Dandelions :wtf:

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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14548330 - 06/01/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Are one of the earths amazing healing plants! Totally under appreciated :frown:


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14548797 - 06/02/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Awww the great Terrance McKenna, thanks for the vids Funkmasterl always enjoy listening to him! :mushroom2:

Lah'Kesh


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14549874 - 06/02/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The OP isnt saying the kids are responsible.. The point is, YOU are responsible for it. And by all means YOU responded accordingly.

What?  Better explain this in detail and then I'll give you my opinion.


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: Icelander]
    #14549960 - 06/02/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How can I tell you who/what you are? And even if I could, would you believe me? Could you believe me?

That probably sounds like a cop-out.. but just re-read what the OP is saying.. Or, I could possibly suggest some videos to watch..?

here's it said in another way..

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather." Bill Hicks

Edited by FunkMasterShroom (06/02/11 08:42 AM)

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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14550178 - 06/02/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That probably sounds like a cop-out..
:thumbup:


Problem here is some people are sure they know what truth is and some actually have the courage to be unsure.


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14550180 - 06/02/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

FunkMasterShroom said:
Are one of the earths amazing healing plants! Totally under appreciated :frown:




Interesting. I thought they were just annoying lawn weeds. :lol:
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FunkMasterShroom said:
"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather." Bill Hicks




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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: Icelander]
    #14552377 - 06/02/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm totally open to what the Truth is, and that's the Truth.

What can I even say- If we were in person, 1 on 1, it'd be a lot different..

We are simply the imagination of ourselves.. In as many possible ways as possible.. (aka- infinity.. and that includes US or "You" -, creating evil, and suffering, and hatred, and death..)- we as humans are one aspect of that.. You as an individual is one aspect of that..

So, the collection of information I (this one self) has gathered, is limited, I admit, I'm still young, and havnt nearly experienced even much of what there is in my own area/with the people here.. let alone the rest of the world.. and in that, my intellectual understanding- the information I have to be able to describe what I understand us to be, is lacking.. I've got lots to studay and learn still..

But I do Understand What I am..

I understand exactly what you mean by pointing out the "Problem here".. I have argued/confronted others on that very thing- What they Know, and possibly are not open to.. But what I Know, is that I am open to everything, Because I Know that We are everything.

anyway- Here..

#

this is a start.. you want decent a explanation from one perspective..? and 4 hours isnt really that long when you consider the inquest..


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14552564 - 06/02/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The OP may have had an intense Direct Experiential moment of that Oneness, and felt the need to express it here in this thread.. That is something I cant be sure of.. But nonetheless, I do understand what's being said..

Reiteration is the tricky part. :wink:


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14552594 - 06/02/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the post funk. I watched the beginning, looks like it's something right up my alley. I'll watch it in segments always enjoy a good video.

Lah'Kesh


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14552666 - 06/02/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

4 hours:curbyourenthusiasm:

can you sum it up in a sentence so I can tell you I've heard it all before.

The most atrocious things that happen to humanity are God's finest hour, the hour in which IT is totally convinced itself it is real... and thus has BECOME REAL...

From the OP.  Now here is someone telling me they know everything about god or whatever it is they believe in.  Here is someone telling me they know what is actually happening in creation.  They're not saying what if, they're not saying maybe, they're not saying I think, they're saying I know what's going on.

This is what I like to call Hubris.  Just as easily I can say this is all a bunch of nonsense.  Who you gonna believe?  Why? Have you had a personal experience?  Do you know what that experience means?  How? Did you create your brain? Do you really know how it works? Do you really know if you just created a belief around your desire and tacked it on to some great blissful feeling you were having at the moment.  You don't. You can't.  You're just guessing like everyone else.

I'm familiar with this poster and I've challenged him over and over to back up what he says. I've asked him questions about what he says and offered alternative ideas and you know what. He goes away for a while, almost never responds and then pops up later with more of the same.

And I'm supposed to believe he knows and is sure of what's going on in the Universe and beyond.  I think not. :satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Edited by Icelander (06/02/11 08:50 PM)

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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: Icelander]
    #14552708 - 06/02/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Uhm.. Well now who's the know it all ;P

You may indeed have heard most of it, and probably came to some of it yourself..

But since you already understand it all, why am I bothering :P

Direct Experiential Knowledge of Unity.

That about sum-it-up for ya? ^^


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"Adapt.
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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: Icelander]
    #14552723 - 06/02/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I like to think about events such as this sometimes.

Seeing as I wasn't alive during WW2 or anything before 1989, how do I know that ANYTHING was real before my mere existence? This has always baffled me for awhile especially while thinking about religion- how people can claim to know so much about people such as Jesus, yet have never met and will never meet the guy.

I like to take all concepts such as jesus, holocaust, etc as just that, concepts. Events that may have played out, but I will have no way of experiencing them nor being able to truly verify their validity. Granted, there were pictures of Hitler, the holocaust, etc... but still... I wonder about this a lot. All I know to be real is all that I can feel/experience. This is why I like inward/outer exploration... :shrug:


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #14552724 - 06/02/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Read my edited post above. 

btw I'm almost 60 and I have pretty much heard it all. I've been interested in all this most of my life and my ideas have changed greatly with a long life and lots of experience.


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: foliocb]
    #14552746 - 06/02/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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foliocb said:
I like to think about events such as this sometimes.

Seeing as I wasn't alive during WW2 or anything before 1989, how do I know that ANYTHING was real before my mere existence? This has always baffled me for awhile especially while thinking about religion- how people can claim to know so much about people such as Jesus, yet have never met and will never meet the guy.

I like to take all concepts such as jesus, holocaust, etc as just that, concepts. Events that may have played out, but I will have no way of experiencing them nor being able to truly verify their validity. Granted, there were pictures of Hitler, the holocaust, etc... but still... I wonder about this a lot. All I know to be real is all that I can feel/experience. This is why I like inward/outer exploration... :shrug:





Right and even inward and outer exploration, while a more reliable source is not certain. You really don't know how your brain functions and if what you are seeing and feeling really jibs with the reality out there.  So again we are left guessing.  This is why even when I have pretty solid material evidence I'm often including IMO to my posts. 

To think someone else knows something just because I can't confirm or deny his theory doesn't mean squat.  Most people it seems are slightly delusional and very programmed by their culture and most of it they (including myself) are not consciously aware of.


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: Icelander]
    #14552763 - 06/02/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:

can you sum it up in a sentence so I can tell you I've heard it all before.

They're not saying what if, they're not saying maybe, they're not saying I think, they're saying I know what's going on.

This is what I like to call Hubris.  Just as easily I can say this is all a bunch of nonsense.  Who you gonna believe?  Why? Have you had a personal experience?  Do you know what that experience means?  How? Did you create your brain? Do you really know how it works? Do you really know if you just created a belief around your desire and tacked it on to some great blissful feeling you were having at the moment.  You don't. You can't.  You're just guessing like everyone else.




You crack me up Ice all in good fun right :wink:

I agree with what you have to say, in my opinion gnosis only comes to an individual on an individual basis. To credit yourself by saying you know something is true, is to limit yourself of all other possibilities that exist. In my opinion to each his own, all experiences are experiences, no experience will ever be lived in the same manner so to try and create a constant is pointless. I enjoy listening and hearing others opinions on the subjects because it opens my mind to the other possibilities in the universe that I may not have been privy to.

I appreciate you all speaking your minds, I appreciate reading the good conversation.

Lah'Kesh


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Re: The suffering in the world is your creation... [Re: Icelander]
    #14552807 - 06/02/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

foliocb said:
I like to think about events such as this sometimes.

Seeing as I wasn't alive during WW2 or anything before 1989, how do I know that ANYTHING was real before my mere existence? This has always baffled me for awhile especially while thinking about religion- how people can claim to know so much about people such as Jesus, yet have never met and will never meet the guy.

I like to take all concepts such as jesus, holocaust, etc as just that, concepts. Events that may have played out, but I will have no way of experiencing them nor being able to truly verify their validity. Granted, there were pictures of Hitler, the holocaust, etc... but still... I wonder about this a lot. All I know to be real is all that I can feel/experience. This is why I like inward/outer exploration... :shrug:





Right and even inward and outer exploration, while a more reliable source is not certain. You really don't know how your brain functions and if what you are seeing and feeling really jibs with the reality out there.  So again we are left guessing.  This is why even when I have pretty solid material evidence I'm often including IMO to my posts. 

To think someone else knows something just because I can't confirm or deny his theory doesn't mean squat.  Most people it seems are slightly delusional and very programmed by their culture and most of it they (including myself) are not consciously aware of.




Yeah, exactly. Imo the closest i'll ever get to 'real' or 'truth' is through my subjective experiences and feelings... direct experience as :tmckenna: called it. As for social/cultural programming, another great segment by TMK pretty much reaffirms this idea... sadly he died before I heard about him so for all I know he's just another abstract idea in my head :P but then again so is everything else...

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